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Danki:
Thanks a lot for the polite counseling.

I've heed to your advice months ago. And the contributions and prayers from you and other brethren here will surely solidify it.

Unfortunately, some brethren feel that if one is not fully versed in the Bible like them means he's not born again.

Well, lately I've seen myself in the mold of King David and Suleiman Johnson. I will keep praying for God's purpose in my life like you advised.

Thank you all for your support and prayers.
May God keep strengthening you all!

My brother,
I will not overwhelm you with one too many verses but I will tell you that they are wrong.

You don't need to be versed in the bible to be born again, in fact all you need is to believe, accept and confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Accumulation of scriptures or revelation of His word is a lifetime and it FOLLOWS your salvation. If one is required to master scriptures before they are born again, the dying thief hanged alongside Jesus had no hope seeing he turned to Christ a few hours to his death.

Once again, you are born again. What you need to do is prioritize your life in Christ so as to spend more time studying scriptures, sharing what you learnt with others, learning from them, studying Christian books, praying, witnessing, fellowshiping with others and before long, you will be a spiritual giant.

Please don't be intimidated by your limited knowledge of scriptures, commit your spirit to learning and you will not only grow, but you will refresh many!

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Gombs:
It's a worrisome trend I see these days, and it makes me wonder. Some folks wait on God to make them rich or successful, and all they did was to visit churches, make confessions and maybe get excited at what the preacher said about God, with regards blessing His children financially.

A large group of Christians want divine favor and don't even don't even mind if they really deserve what they're hoping for. We just want to get what we haven't worked for. We fill up churches & camps everyday, crusade, finance meetings etc for unmerited favor, overnight success, etc. We expect a miracle on anything finance, without doing what he says about finances, like savings and other principles the bible spoke of.

Now, there are miracle meetings where ministers of God prayed to God for 'miracle monies', and boooom... these miracles did happen (Whether some us believe that or not, is immaterial here). These are exceptional cases, and obviously, one cannot bank on these forever. God has got principles in His Word, and He sticks to every bit of it, whether we know these principles or not.

Down the line, because alot of Christians don't know God's financial principles, and after so long a time in churches, and giving, paying their tithes, making confessions etc, they end up broke or frustrated or both. They quickly blame Pastors for 'deceiving' them, or on a grand scale, they blame God, for not "picking their calls"

see what the good book wrote

Jeremiah 5:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Therefore I said, Surely these are poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the Lord, nor the judgment of their God.

notice the reason for their poverty.
1. foolishness
2. lack of knowledge of God's ways

Ok, fine, we've given in church, prayed, confessed, yet 'nothing'. It's still the same old story. We sometimes fail to see that God has made us rich in all ways imaginable, and therefore, it is legally impossible in the sight of God for Christians to be poor.

When we received salvation in Christ Jesus, we received an inheritance, whether we knew it or not. Jesus didn't come to save us for nothing, He came to save us for a purpose, which is to bring us into fellowship, hence the inheritance. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a christian to be poor, a christian can only be IGNORANT of his riches, because to be a christian, is to be in ONENESS with Jesus Christ, and therefore a joint-heir with Jesus. This is why describing a Christian as "poor" is a misnomer.

Proverbs 13:18 The Complete Jewish Bible
18 Poverty and shame are for him who won't be taught , but he who heeds reproof will be honored.

Therefore, the only thing that keeps a Christian in poverty, is his ignorance. If then we now know we're rich in Jesus Christ, the next thing is knowing His financial principles.


God's Word tells us to
1. Give, and receive
2. It tells us to save
3. it tells us to work, or we won't have what to give/eat

In other words, it tells us to be financially smart. Get the knowledge of the word, know what the Word says about your finances, activate them, and you'd marvel at God's provision for you.

Job 36:11 New Living Translation (NLT)
11 “If they listen and obey God, they will be blessed with prosperity throughout their lives. All their years will be pleasant.

Prosperity is a blessing. Walk in it. Know the Word for yourself.

amen

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Gombs aka Amos Jack,
God hates divorce
Jesus taught us to look further than Moses; 'in the beginning'
Can we say that the only reason Christians divorce and separate from their spouses is IGNORANCE?

sonOfLucifer:
Poverty is subjective.

Missed you my negro(no homo)
Whatsup?

Avatar fans prepare yourself for disappointment as we’re afraid you may never get to live on Pandora. A new study has shown that Earth truly is one of a kind with nothing coming close to life on this planet.

Astronomers in Sweden used computer simulations to model the known universe from existing data and then applied the laws of physics to advance the model 13.8 billion years. Out of the 700 quintillion potential planets, none resembled Earth, meaning we may be very alone after all.

Source

So all UFOlogy m0rons can go suck their toes
Like seriously, what is Sirius, Nibiru, Andromeda? Desolte rock masses hanging onto nothing

dazzle101:
Voooooooooooooookkkksssssssss

Boy! Have I missed you plus you just succeeded in making me break my ghost parole lol!

Welcome back brother....

And to all my friends on here, reading and learning in the back as usual, remain blessed all...

Analice, I will drop you a message!
Oyeludef I concur with your last mention to me... Shallom!

Thank you siz for your kind words. You broke parole? CharlyG1 should be sued for provoking you to this

analice107:
Wow. And folk still engage in these things like they don't matter.

Brother Charles.
A friend shared something with me this evening. He said during Valentine, a girl in his church sent him a text message professing her love for him, at first he thought it was Christian love, but when he probed, the girl confessed romantic love. They have been talking according to him, getting to know themselves. She's almost through with Uni. The guy told me today that, he asked her if she has had any past relationship or if she has been with a man before, in essence the guy asked her if she was still a Virgin, she said, she had not had sex with any man, but that she's not a Virgin, in the sense that a man has seen her naked and she has engaged in MouthAction with a guy, but not had sex.
To me, yes, she has committed a sin, but can we say she is no longer a Virgin? And hearing you talk about covenant here, apart from sexual perversion, does it bring the participants into a covenant, or a curse? What about when they use a condom? talking about the fluid now.

i need to know so as to warn my friend from allowing her make him do it with her believing it doesn't matter.
Guys no strong for this area.

Thank God for this thread, am learning a lot that can be helpful incase I come across a question in this area.
Thank you brother Charles.

Here is my take;
Our Lord Jesus Christ AMPLIFIED the meaning of sin as defined in Torah, and as such we should heed to this;

Matthew 5:27-28 (KJV)
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So adultery moves from mere act to thoughts. This tells me that sexual perversion is bigger than the act itself. I remember Clinton infamously arguing that he never had sex with Lewinsky because there was no penetration. See we can get lost in legalism and definition of terms.

I'd say all sexually stimulating acts with anybody other than your spouse are as bad as the actual sex act. And as such, if there are consequences of fornication and adultery, I will not be spared from either simply because a condom or mouth was used.

stonemasonn:
It is the same expection as been treated by the best physician in town or a Sherman or babalawo renown for healing powers. The writer simply expect Christians to accept death as part of life and not some kind of evil. A musician once sang "nobody wants to die but they all want to go to heaven" maybe that's why bornagains are so obsessed with rapture nowadays, they just wan to cheat death.

She does more than advocate for the normalcy of death.

analice107:
Hello dear, what was the name of the affliction Oyedepo's wif had?
Listen. Am not saying that because i have violent faith i won't die. I didn't say that. Very few persons have the grace to be told, it's time, put your house in order, you are going home.
These Saints you mentioned, may have completed their task here. So no amount of prayer will keep them here.
One day Smith Wiggleswood, came home and found his wife dead. He rejected it and called his wife back to life. God told him, it's time for her to come home. At that point he couldn't do anything else. The one who brought her here says, it's time what can you say. He had to let her go, so she went home.
As for Miles Monroe, His recent messages indicated he knew time was getting close for him to return home. Am not so sure of Kulman. But she did well and am sure her assignment here was done.
My point is this, we don't have total control, but we must exercise this faith till the very end.

Thank you Anas09,
It is true that there is no formula for having our way all the times. It is wrong for PG to advance this because it is a utopia that distracts many from confronting their present realities. But one thing we must never do is trivialize trusting in God. While atheists mock Christians who trust in God and still suffer, Kate's message seems to be nothing but a diluted argument of the same theme; why trust in God while whether you trust or not you won't have your way?

Supposing we travelled in time to first century. I am reading Mark. In chapter 2 there is the paralytic who is brought before Jesus and is lowered from the roof. What advice would Kate have given the guy, or the man who sat by the pool for 38 years? Or the woman with the issue of blood? That they should lower their expectations on God? This Kate is nearly criminalizing and mocking hope and faith in God

analice107:
Brethren.
I need counsel. I do house Finishings. I do plastering, screeding, painting, tiling, I do Pop, wall wallrobes and kitchen cabinets. Any of these I do. Not me Ooo. My company.
But I have an issue here. There's a house, am negotiating to do all I mentioned up there. The person who gave me the link, advised me to go through the man's wife if i want to get the job, but that the woman collects a percentage for every contract her husband gives out. She will seat with me, discourse the quotation, see how much the job is worth then tell you what her percentage will be. If you agree, she will front the quotation and prevail on her husband to give me the job. She doesn't care if her percentage affects the job.
I have been given her number, I have called her, but ve not met with her yet. Am so troubled about this whole thing. I feel am going to be helping that woman steal from her husband. Or am I mistaken? Someone said, I shd go and see her, whatever she asks for, i shd add it to the quotation, when the money is paid, I give her her part and do my job.
What shd I do?
Pastor Oyeludef
Pastor Superior
Brother Vooks.
Brother Charles.
Ishilove
Nnam
Mr Good. Etc.
Abeg help. Am not bent on failing God because of money.

Dearest,
Engaging middlemen to get business is all the norm. But this looks like outright bribery or inducement. You are basically greasing her palms to get the contract. It's also worse that a woman is doing this to her husband although this is besides the point.

I don't think the devil is as dumb as we often portray him. Nobody is going to be tempted in their area of strength but weakness. I last smoked when I was under ten years and then I was only learning how to do it. I can say that long before I received Christ and well after, I've never been tempted to smoke nothing.

For you Anas09, growing your business legitimately is a need and it only makes sense for Satan to target this. If you paid her up and got the job, would you really rejoice in the Lord for his favor or would you not thank your grease?

Please let it pass, and I trust the LORD will give you that which can only have come from Him lest you mistake it for anything else. This is a test and your testimony is already packaged and en route to you!

Candour:
Hi dear vooks, trust you're doing great?

Funny I stumbled on the thread below opened by Winsomex

https://www.nairaland.com/1892195/truth-behind-christ-embassy-healing

I smiled at the gymnastics of the word of faith champions on that thread as they struggled to 'explain' away your queries and I arrived at the conclusion that the prosperity Gospel gets shown up for the fraud it is when the issue of death (I call it the great leveler) comes up because the prosperity gospel has no theology for death.

I've not read through your posts on this thread but I will immediately I post this.

Cheers bro

Hi bro,
First, I'm pleasantly surprised that you also read that great poin Death the Leveller.
The other one is the fact that Winsomex shared with me this link about Kate Bowler's article
The best of all surprises is the fact that I introduced Winsomex to Kate Bowler's book/dissertation on the history and evolution of prosperity gospel(iers) in America!

I fully agree with you that death is a moment of reckoning. I once had a spat here with one Christ Embassy apologist by the name mbaemeka. When I raised the issue of death, he boldly claimed that Christ would never come for him till he consented to it. In other words, God is held captive by his consent. I wondered how come nobody had lived beyond natural by simply denying Jesus consent to take him home since Pentecost.

Death is one thing that shatters this health-wealth-happiness utopia

Scholar8200:
Very nice piece! Problem with the Prosperity Gospel is that it ignores the Lordship of Christ. This brand of christianity suggests that Paul must have made a mistake or not heard well when rather than being healed, he was given grace to endure!

Correct. It is a huge mistake to attempt to live a regenerate life while in this tent. You will be disappointed big time. The down side is suffering the devil to do a number on you just because pain,death ....are part of our portion under the sun

analice107:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The Vooks of God. HahahahahahahahaHHHa. The Judgement of God against the heretics and straddlers is back. O my dearly beloved brother, if you know how much I missed you!!!!!.
Welcome. Pls don't leave your family.
Hmm, that my book. I may just have to think about it seriously. See why I miss you? That fire to ginger people up.

Beloved,If you don't write no book, there is enough record on CharlyG1's thread to convert souls and strengthen feeble knees. Please keep sharing and thank you for your kind words

jcmaiah:
Nna this is too long men. I only this kind of long thing if its about Bubu.

Ignorance is expensive

oyeludef:
mr vooks. How was sabbatical?

It was bliss. Thank you

analice107:
I was hoping to get a post from vooks today. He was here yesterday.

@vooks, where are you? Represent.

Hello beloved,
I'm back, I will be posting in due time but I don't wish to post in haste. Happy belated birthday

analice107:
*wipes away tears* it amazes me every time I read responses like yours. God is indeed awesome. He can reach out to anyone at any time, any where any how.
For everyone whom God through this thread has strengthened to carry on, I say, Thank you Jesus.
I never believed that God could find me worthy to use in anyway. It really humbles me when I read all these.
I need His grace to stand strong to the end. It's not how far, but how well. I want to finish strong.
Pls, Brethren let's pray for more souls to be saved via this thread. Amen.

Anas09,
Where is your book?

If this won't move you, nothing will

Durham, N.C. — ON a Thursday morning a few months ago, I got a call from my doctor’s assistant telling me that I have Stage 4 cancer. The stomach cramps I was suffering from were not caused by a faulty gallbladder, but by a massive tumor.

I am 35. I did the things you might expect of someone whose world has suddenly become very small. I sank to my knees and cried. I called my husband at our home nearby. I waited until he arrived so we could wrap our arms around each other and say the things that must be said. I have loved you forever. I am so grateful for our life together. Please take care of our son. Then he walked me from my office to the hospital to start what was left of my new life.

But one of my first thoughts was also Oh, God, this is ironic. I recently wrote a book called “Blessed.”

I am a historian of the American prosperity gospel. Put simply, the prosperity gospel is the belief that God grants health and wealth to those with the right kind of faith. I spent 10 years interviewing televangelists with spiritual formulas for how to earn God’s miracle money. I held hands with people in wheelchairs being prayed for by celebrities known for their miracle touch. I sat in people’s living rooms and heard about how they never would have dreamed of owning this home without the encouragement they heard on Sundays.

I went on pilgrimage with the faith healer Benny Hinn and 900 tourists to retrace Jesus’ steps in the Holy Land and see what people would risk for the chance at their own miracle. I ruined family vacations by insisting on being dropped off at the showiest megachurch in town. If there was a river running through the sanctuary, an eagle flying freely in the auditorium or an enormous, spinning statue of a golden globe, I was there.

Growing up in the 1980s on the prairies of Manitoba, Canada, an area largely settled by Mennonites, I had been taught in my Anabaptist Bible camp that there were few things closer to God’s heart than pacifism, simplicity and the ability to compliment your neighbor’s John Deere Turbo Combine without envy. Though Mennonites are best known by their bonnets and horse-drawn buggies, they are, for the most part, plainclothes capitalists like the rest of us. I adore them. I married one.

But when a number of Mennonites in my hometown began to give money to a pastor who drove a motorcycle onstage — a motorcycle they gave him for a new church holiday called “Pastor’s Appreciation Day” — I was genuinely baffled. Everyone I interviewed was so sincere about wanting to gain wealth to bless others, too. But how could Mennonites, of all people — a tradition once suspicious of the shine of chrome bumpers and the luxury of lace curtains — now attend a congregation with a love for unfettered accumulation?

MutleyLaff
For some reasons I can't reply to individual posts.

Any language you don't understand won't make sense. Had you been there on Pentecost and you knew NONE of those languages, it would have been gibberish.

How do you prove what is unintelligible is a human language while you can't understand nothing in the first place?

If you have ought against public uninterpteted tongues, simply say so. Using long unnecessary words to echo Paul is waste of space

KingEbukasBlog:
Noticed you've been missing in action . Hope sir that you are alright

I'm cool bro, just busy lately, I will try and make time here, at the very least once a month. Thank you my friend

italo:
Are you blind?

What is the difference?

MuttleyLaff:
About glossa
(i.e. read about spoken intelligible language and not about unintelligible meaningless and gibberish nonsense)

No it wasnt
but is an admonition with a view, that all, have a common good, a common benefit, the gathering good, in mind

The instigator of an UNKNOWN tongue (i.e. spoken intelligible unknown language) is energised by the Spirit
but even with God in it, what is the good in it or benefit of it, if it is difficult or impossible for others to understand whatever is being said

Speaking in the gathering's commonwealth language, so all be carried along and be built up is the import of the verse

Yes there is,
because UNKNOWN tongue is not the unintelligible meaningless and gibberish nonsense we know and see spouted in gatherings

UNKNOWN tongue does exactly what it says on the tin, it is an UNKNOWN language indulged into by an instigator lacking consideration for others
Not minding that, apart from him, no one else understands his DIFFERENT and UNKNOWN tongue
This is what Paul is harping on about and not some unintelligible meaningless and gibberish 20th century invention

It is always pitiful watching saints allow themselves to be misled to believe something that is not true
It takes someone to be in a world of fantasy and grand self-delusion to believe that the unintelligible meaningless and gibberish spouted in gatherings is UNKNOWN tongue aka heavenly language

'different tongue(s)' means another language
There is no difference between different tongue(s)' and 'various kinds of tongues'
'Different' means another or means other, it has an exact same meaning with 'various kinds'

Thought I briefly say this, incidentally, speaking in different tongue(s)' or 'various kinds of tongues' (i.e. different language) is for the benefit of non believers and not for believers

It stands for Foreign Language Syndrome, a medically recognised rare condition. Look into it more yourself

Uninterpteted tongues I agree are to be kept private. Unfortunately you are trashing uninterpteted tongues while Paul prescribed praying for interpretation. What if there is no interpretation yet? You stop praying altogether in your tongues?

I notice a subtle promotion of spiritual impotence

CoolUsername:
I'll let this one slide, pvssy.


First,
Species is really a vague term without precise limits. Secondly, could you please DEFINE evolution as you understand it before we proceed?

In animals, the specie line is usually drawn when interbreeding cannot occur between two groups.

Evolution is a process whereby inheritable traits gradually change over course of generations within a given population.

Good night sir

All,
Am I the only one having a problem with the idea that only the grace and mercy of God keeps us standing in Christ?

First, if this were so, then the many countless exhortations to stand and hang on to the end make no sense because they place on us a personal responsibility for our own faith whereas it is all about the grace and mercy. Why task me a mere mortal to do what is Divine?

Secondly, the logical conclusion of this belief is that those who backslide or fall away had nothing to do with their falling off. It was not their fault but rather it is God who withdrew His grace and mercy, and with that gone, they couldn't help but fall woefully

I believe there is a human responsibility in our salvation which we would do well not to ignore or overlook. We are saved by the grace of God but this grace out-works salvation through men's cooperation

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ichommy:
[b]Look at the summary diagram below, a summary cladogram of ape relationships (from Benton's Vertebrate Palaeontology; italics are extinct apes).


Everything from node B and on is an ape - a member of the Hominoidea. This is includes extinct forms (Proconsul, Dryopithecus, Australopithecus, etc.) and extant forms (Homo, Pan, Hylobatidae, etc.).

As you can see, more basal organisms do not necessarily have to be extinct. Gibbons still exist despite the existence of the more derived orang-utans. If Proconsul were still living today, this cladogram wouldn't change. In other words, evolution doesn't replace older forms. What happens is cladogenesis: Proconsul split off from an ancestral hominoid population and evolved its own way. The last common ancestor of the hylobatids did the same, as did Kenyapithecus, all the way to Homo.

The extinction of Proconsul, Kenyapithecus, and all the Homo species isn't something that's automatically mandated by evolution, they're events that happen due to changing environmental circumstances. Proconsul and Kenyapithecus died out because of climate changes, as did most Homo species. They didn't die out because Homo sapiens suddenly evolved.

Consider it this way: every branch on here is a species or group of species in their own right. They're not stepping stones towards some goal - one can invert Australopithecus's and Homo's positions on this diagram and it would be just as valid.[/b]
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"Pierolapithecus catalaunicus, shown here in an artist's conception, was an ancient ape that may have been the last common ancestor of all great apes and humans. Discovered in Catalonia, Spain, the fossil of Pierolapithecus catalaunicus is roughly 13 million years old.

"Scientists believe that the newfound species's stiff lower spine and other special adaptations for climbing link this species to modern great apes."

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My broda,
I minimize your wonderful lecture to ask a very simple question;
What else other than homology links these real and their imagined ancestors?

CoolUsername:
Ok, I admit that I should have phrased that better. Albinism is not usually observed in the parents of affected offspring.

You are still a bloody m0ron.
Does the fact that you can't 'observe' it mean that it is not inherited?

As I was saying, you believe that animals can cross from specie to another but we cannot observe gradual change in animals among a given population?
That doesn't make any sense.

First,
Species is really a vague term without precise limits. Secondly, could you please DEFINE evolution as you understand it before we proceed?

CoolUsername:
Just answer the question in a straightforward manner. Are you:
1. A creationist?
2. A Christian creationist?
3. Or a Young Earth creationist.

Or maybe you don't actually know.

As soon as you convince me its relevance here I will gladly do it. Do something worthwhile, focus on the wisdom of my posts...refute it if you can or zip it.

CoolUsername:
If you don't take a stand, it would be impossible to challenge each other's views.

Reason is my stand, what's your problem negro?

CoolUsername:
Albinism is not evidence for evolution because it is not an inheritable trait.

And it's completely disingenuous to accept speciation but not evolution. Tell me, how are you able to reconcile such intellectual dishonesty?

Albinism is not inheritable? How is it acquired, bleaching?
A m0ron and an idiot rolled into one

CoolUsername:
Aaaand we're back to reality!
Thanks for your mature and Christ-like response.

But before I start a debate, I'll like to know where you stand. Are you arguing for creationism? Christian creationism? Or Young Earth Creationism?

Good evening my broda,
I'm on the side of reason