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dmandy,Syncan et all

I'm no apocalyptic pro but going through these books I learnt something; whenever any symbol appears in multiples, each of them refer to a similar item,subject...

Examples

Here the horns of the beasts represent kingdoms each without exception
Daniel 7:24 (KJV)
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Here the stars represent angels, probably leaders of these churches each of them
Revelation 1:20 (KJV)
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Here,
seven heads=seven mountains= seven kings
Ten horns=ten kings
Revelation 17:9-12 (KJV)
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

So when you get to Ezekiel and claim that one of the three gates is the Mary,you necessarily claim that the other two are also women.
All the gates perform the same function and if one gives birth to our Lord, then the rest MUST also be women giving birth to men

Cc Ayoku777,Syncan,italo,ichiato,ubenedictus

ayoku777:
You call it theory, when there is convincing scripture to show that gates represent tribes in scripture.

Hebrews 7v14 -For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Mary does not represent a gate in any scriptural universe, only in the universe of your assumptions.

Apart from Jesus Christ Himself who said He is the gate, the tribes of Israel are the only other things representing gates in scripture.

Shalom

Brother Ayoku777,
Have you noted the circularity or dmandy's reasoning?

In order for Mary to be the East Gate, it must be established as a fact that she never had other children. But the 'evidence' of Mary never having other children is Ezekiel's East gate which was to be shut after the Lord went through it!

dmandy:
God himself called her 'full of grace' if you prefer that it is read 'full of sin' That's your business. I am done here.

Bye the vooks.

dmandy quit making strawmen, the opposite of sinlessness is not 'full of sin'
What has 'full of grace' got to do with sinlessness?
Luke 1:28 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women
You do realize the exact phrase is used in Ephesians of ALL believers?
Ephesians 1:6 (KJV)
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.


Besides,
The angel told Gideon that the Lord was with him
Judges 6:12 (KJV)
And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him, and said unto him, The Lord is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.

And of another woman, Jael that she was blessed among women

Judges 5:24 (KJV)
Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

dmandy:
Nothing is impossible with God.

So why is there a miracle of sinners bringing forth a sinless Mary and not one of a sinning Mary bringing forth a sinless Jesus?

In short explain the necessity of Mary's sinlessness if at all. What if she was a sinner just like any other human


And exactly what verse(s) make Mary sinless?

dmandy:
God has answered that in luke 1:37.

And why is it impossible or inconceivable for a sinning Mary to bring forth a sinless Jesus?

dmandy:
I don't think so.

So how could two sinning parents conceive and bring forth a sinless Mary?

Isn't there something like Original Sin transmitted from parents to kids?

dmandy:
Hahahahahahahahahahhaa

Did the bible say, none was righteous?

Stop quoting scriptures like Satan.
Has it ever occurred to you that he quoted them accurately?

dmandy:
Before Jesus was born God has already chosen Mary and sanctified her for the purpose of carrying the savior of the world. You see her sinlessness is deeply rooted in Jesus who is her savior and whom her soul magnifies.

Were her parents equally sinless?

dmandy:
there is no other way other than through Jesus Christ which sinlessness can be accomplished sir.

So how was Mary sinless before Jesus was born?

dmandy:
Did the passage differentiate? Or you are adding that it says None, no not even one.

Stop quoting scriptures like Satan.

John 17:9 (KJV)
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

So Jesus couldn't care less for the world?

Very reasonable conclusion if this were the only scripture, but it's not!

John 17:20 (KJV)
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word


Is there ANY verse that remotely points to Mary's sinlessness?

dmandy,
If sinlessness and righteousness can be accomplished by means other than Jesus Christ, why did He die for us?

dmandy:
okay.

So, who are they?

dmandy:
Possibly.

There is no other conclusion, not a possibility, this is demanded by your reasoning. Go and ask your handlers who these two women are

dmandy:
The bible said "None" no, not one. Yet, we found people who were righteous before the lord.

Because there is righteousness which is of the law and righteousness which is by faith

Philippians 3:6-9 (KJV)
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Paul was blameless as far as the Torah is concerned. Why did Jesus save him?

dmandy:
I don't know. I don't know any other virgins, but God chose one and she said 'yes'.

Your logic makes one gate out of three to be a woman. Does it not follow that the rest are women?

dmandy:
Sir,

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

compare

luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

There is a righteousness that is according to the law and this even Paul excelled. But this righteousness even at its best is as filthy rags, that's why Jesus died for you my friend, so you can received his righteousness which is by faith
Philippians 3:6-9 (KJV)
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10

How does this prove anything? That ALL is not ALL?

dmandy:
I don't know. Can you tell why God left them only to use one? That one is where my focus is.

What makes you think one of them is a woman?

dmandy:
Sir,

Stay back and enjoy more. God decided that one gate must always be shut. There is nothing you or anyone can do about it with your conspiracy theories.

And the lie is that Jesus passed through Mary down to earth?

The other two gates are which women?
Remind me I keep on forgetting

dmandy:
If you think the mother of Jesus is full of Sin, how do you expect that to be a concern of Dmandy.

My broda,
This is not about what I think but the sanctity of scriptures
Romans 3:23 (KJV)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[b]Hebrews 4:15 (KJV)
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

How do you overlook and reject such beautiful revelation of the Holy Spirit?

Mary was as much in need of the blood of Jesus to wash her as me

[quote author=dmandy post=41486448][/quote]What are the other two gates?

dmandy:
Your business if you believe she is full of sin and in heaven. I don't care.

You are building a strawman.
Who said she is full of sin and in heaven?
We simply demand evidence for your claims that
1. Mary is sinless
2. Mary is a perpetual virgin
3. Mary is in heaven

Sinners do end up in heaven btw. Moses is an example and so is Abraham, even Catholicism thinks so else why canonize saints? Or is canonization belief that the saints are immaculate?

dmandy:
Concluded. Mary is one of the three gates.

Excellent. What women are the other two gates?

dmandy:
Really?

Ask Catholicism who tell you Mary is a gate, one of the three gates

dmandy:


Tell me about it.

Mary is a gate, follow through your claims to their logical conclusion

dmandy:
Use your head there, its not a crime.

Lord passing through and the gate being shut is Jesus birth and perpetual virginity.
Gates opened and men passing through is men born to tow other women

dmandy:
There was a reason why the lord chose only the eastern one.[sup][/sup]

And the other two were two other women CHOSEN to convey men into earth, right?

dmandy:
It made her a perpetual virgin. QED

Circular reasoning incarnate.
So the other two gates are women too who delivered many?

dmandy:
Sir,

Those are yours. the biblical conclusion is that the lord has passed through therefore it shall remain shut to every other person. Millennial or Perennial, I don't know.

What has Ezekiel got to do with Mary?
What are the Northern and Southern gates?

dmandy:
Millennial or perennial, Jesus passed through.

How does that make Mary a sinless perpetual virgin who art in heaven?

dmandy:
Ask him why he chose Mary instead of you.

I have no problem with Mary's choice, but with your baseless claims of
1. Mary is in heaven
2. Mary was a perpetual virgin
3. Mary was sinless

You cling to what you can't substantiate. Is there a better definition of blindness?

dmandy:
Your conclusions or mine?

You are the one throwing around Ezekiel as proof of Mary's perpetual virginity. These are your conclusion