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dmandy:
No, the gate is Mary because Jesus passed through her. Unless you are saying Jesus did not pass through her to earth.

And the other worshippers who passed through the Northern and Southern gates/women are?

Has it occurred to you that BOTH the inside and outside of the gate and temple were on earth?


Let us dissect your logic

1. Jesus came to earth through Mary
2. The Lord went to the temple through the East gate

Conclusion
Mary is the East gate!


Further conclusions
-The temple is the earth!
-Men coming through the Northern and Southern gates are human beings being born!

Further questions
Where are these men coming from?
And where are they going to?
And who are these women/gates?

dmandy:
Jesus passed through one... of all the virgins, God chose her. Why don't you question God on that?

You tried to shift the burden of proof on me and now God? I can't ask God to substantiate your wild claims
The temple has 3 gates. One gate is Mary, the rest are.......?

dmandy:
Ez 44:2

Circular reasoning dmandy
Ezekiel 44:2 is Mary because Mary is Ezekiel 44:2

dmandy:
Jesus passed through her to earth. That's gate, it's not rocket science.

Neither is it rocket science that men passed through North and South gate. Who are these two women/gates

dmandy:
Go ahead.

I have a brain....very active one thank you Lord Jesus Christ

dmandy:
Now you get the point. Until he was twelve is meaningless in a sense, yet you can get the message that he attained 12 years. So it's not completely meaningless.

It is meaningless because he is narrating it LONG after he got 12. Ayoku777 won't tell you he met his dad when he was 12 while he is 11

The bold can be answered if we go into the original Hebrew manuscript and check the possible alternate translations.

Been there and done that bro.

Prove the following;
1. Mary is in heaven
2. Mary was sinless
3. Mary was a perpetual virgin

dmandy:
Ez. 44:2

What part of Ezekiel 44:2 tells me Mary was a perpetual virgin, sinless and is in heaven?

I can point to Genesis 1:1 as 'proof' of Buhari's prophecy

dmandy:
That particular gate is Mary. It is to remain closed. That is where the emphasis is. Jesus passed through one of the gates and not the others.

You don't just make up stuff my broda, WHY is that particular gate Mary?

dmandy:
On the contrary, I have known the truth.

The proof is in your bible.

dmandy:
Yes sir,

Pick up your bible.

But you can't point it out.
I can equally claim that Buhari was prophesied of in the scriptures. Sane hearers of my words would demand proof as am doing. 'Where exactly in the bible?' they would ask

dmandy:
She was also closed (a virgin) when the Lord came and shall remain so. Why? because the lord God of Israel has passed. Ez 44 and 46 are referring to different gates bro.

If passing is delivering Christ,then passing the other two gates are giving birth to men. Who are these tow other women, namely North and Southern Gate?

dmandy:
Lolx,

You can go ahead and try. But the truth shall stand.

Sure the truth shall stand,
You don't have the truth with you and this is why you can't give the basis for your beliefs
You believe Mary was a perpetual virgin, was sinless and is in heaven yet you have no proof!

dmandy:
The Vooks, it's time to understand that the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church of Christ. I have seen the light and I remain in the light. Two years ago, you would have succeeded with conspiracy theories but thank God I know better now. The church of Christ is laid on a solid foundation. No amount of lies can bring it down.

You are in the light and remain in the light.

Is there a better place to answer these;
1. Prove Mary's sinlessness
2. Prove Mary's perpetual virginity
3. Prove Mary is in heaven

dmandy:
You didn't see your father UNTIL you were twelve? This does not automatically mean that you did see him after you turned twelve. It's debatable.

If indeed he saw his father later than his twelfth year, then 'until 12' is meaningless. Like if he actually met his dad when aged 17, what point would 12 serve?

If he never saw his father at all, the his 'until 12' is not only meaningless but misleading.

What matters is what is being communicated. When Matthew tells us that Joseph never slept with Mary till Jesus was born, if his point is to communicate Mary's perpetual virginity, then he misleads us by truncating her life virginity to the birth of Jesus.

Supposing Mary was married for 30 years and then Joseph died. Supposing Matthew knew for fact that Joseph never slept with her the entire 30 years of their marriage. What is the point of disclosing a fraction of this 30 year period during which he never knew her? Is it not easier and sensible saying Joseph never knew her for 30 years instead of sticking to a 9 month period while leaving the rest indeterminate?

KingEbukaNaija:
I go for blind believers . Cherry picking , Unbiblical baseless beliefs , false interpretations and made up stories . I think dmandy should accept he was merely inculcated with Catholic beliefs and tradition which he cannot scripturally prove .

Dmandy , time to give up now and come into the marvelous light of God ?

1 Peter 2:9 :

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should show forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

You know Mr King,
In my walk with Christ, there are things I have believed simply because I was told. Like they told me to repent, ask Jesus to forgive my sins and save me...and boom! Am a born again believer.

But after years, I had to go back to scriptures and confirm whether these things are true. We can excuse young Christians who may not have had occasion to check all they are fed, but verily dmandy,Syncan,italo,ichiato and ubenedictus are not Catholic kids, so they have no excuse- Romans 1:20

If these questions have never bothered them, doubtlessly by God's grace we have sown some seed in their lives. Now they have no excuse

dmandy:
Ez 44:2

Lameness incarnate.
We have hammered Ezekiel and there is no point in repeating it.

My broda, this is not idle banter but may just make a difference of where you spend your eternity. So I strongly suggest you stop kidding around

dmandy:
Just come clean. Have you agreed [size=18pt]what the bible said that Mary had no other children?[/size]

And where did the bible say so?


Note to KingEbukaNaija,
Which is easier, claiming 'the bible said', or showing us exactly where the 'bible said'?

KingEbukaNaija:
The dude was too blind to see it

dmandy defend your claims , no need to be succinct , make it elaborate and well detailed with scriptural proof backing every claim

Mr King,
Shall we take the inability of Catholicism's finest to back up their claims so far as evidence that those claims are totally unbiblical, or should we presume that they are blind believers of stuff they can't demonstrate from the scriptures, and hope that some higher-ups in Catholicism can bail them out?

They have had over 3 days of consulting and googling,reciting rosaries, burning incense and nonsense, praying to statues and seeking Virgin Mary to possess them,consulting 'Paul' and so forth. Am reminded of Elijah on Mt. Carmel

dmandy:
Thank you it is grammatically correct. I rest my case.

Your case is still open

Prove the following;
1. Mary was sinless
2. Mary was a perpetual virgin
3. Mary is in heaven

Or at the very least admit you have no basis for your claims. I also believe so many things without proof. For instance, I believe my iPad is cute

dmandy:
Good,

I am glad you have come to know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

I merely agreed with you to remove every excuse you may have had for your failure to back up your claims.

With that out of the way, please prove these;
1. Mary was sinless
2. Mary was a perpetual virgin
3. Mary is in heaven

Cc Ayoku777,brocab,italo,ichiato,KingEbukaNaija,ubenedictus

dmandy:
First, is it grammatically correct to say that I never saw him till he died?

It is VERY grammatical but grossly irrelevant and misleading analogy for you can't see somebody alive once they die whereas Joseph could have slept with Mary after Jesus was born

Your assignment
Use 'until' or 'till' in a sentence referencing any activity that is perfectly capable of continuing past the birth of a child.
Example;
' they lived together until their firstborn was born...'

Perfect example but if this couple for sure stayed together for 50 years and the writer knows this, then he misleads us or at least withholds this information.

Secondly, if I have said it in my native language and there was actually a point of saying it in my native Igbo language and you translate it thus. Is it possible that one reading it might misinterpret?

Yes, there is risk of misinterpretation so it's quite possible Jesus was never born of a virgin in the first place
It gets worse, an old shriveled pope may have commanded his minions to celebrate but they misconstrued it as celibate leading to the infamous gay Satanist dens where our sons lose their virginity to male satanists

dmandy:
could as well be his kinsmen.

They were his distant cousins


Now, please 'settle the rest' namely;
1. Mary's in heaven
2. Mary was sinless
3. Mary was a perpetual virgin

dmandy:
explain.

Who are these brethren of Jesus who sought to speak to him?

dmandy:
Many people like dmandy.

Taking lameness to the moon

dmandy:
I never saw my Science teacher until he died. Does this mean that I saw him after he died?

If you never saw him before and after dying,then telling us you never saw him over a specific period is redundant.

If you have never been outside Nigeria,and you told us as much, there is no point in listing the number of countries you've never been to.

Or even better, if in your entire life you have never stepped outside Nigeria, it is pointless telling us that by the age of 5 you had yet to step outside Nigeria.

Supposing somebody who knows your life intimately is informing us that you have never been outside Nigeria all your life. He would only need to inform us that you have never been outside Nigeria. If he informs us that over your first 5 years you never stepped outside,he leaves it open whether you stepped out subsequently or not. If your stepping outside is ever so relevant to his narration, and if you did step outside, he would be deliberately obfuscating this point. He would only make sense if he only knows about your venturing out up to age 5. So we can't blame his ignorance of whatever happened to you after 5.

Sleeping with Mary is an activity that can continue before and after Jesus' birth. If Joseph never slept with Mary throughout, what's the point of telling us he never slept with her over Jesus' gestation?

dmandy:
Of course it doesn't matter how many, and I clearly stated that even if I am the only one. You claim they were children of Mary, right? A prove will do.

They for one are called his brethren, and secondly, we are told Joseph never slept with Mary until Jesus was born, a totally irrelevant and redundant point if he never slept with her at all

dmandy:
It's still the same goal post. No one is shifting it. Just prove to me that Mary had other Children. Where did you get that from? A proof of that will settle the rest.

What do you make of this verse?
How does it 'settle the rest'?

In fact am willing to d,demonstrate they were her biological children as soon as you demonstrate how this proves;
1. Mary's sinlessness
2. Mary is in heaven
3. Mary's perpetual virginity

Otherwise you are just digressing and desperately attempting to shift burden of proof for your Satanic doctrines on me

dmandy:
I don't agree that it is only the church that believes that Mary had no other children except Jesus. But, even if I am the only one who thinks so, someone who claims otherwise will have to prove it to me.

Do you really think that your dear Martin Luther believed that Mary had other Children apart from Jesus?

The onus is on you and ALL who claim the children were never hers to prove it. So seeking refuge in numbers won't save you. It don't matter how many believe something, numbers don't turn unsubstantiated claims into facts

KingEbukaNaija:
Please stop this :

Isn't it weird that only catholics deny that the bible was referring to Jesus' half brothers .Sir Vooks , I also understand that catholics developed their own story of Joseph having Mary as his second wife after a failed first marriage and so the kids were of Joseph's first marriage and not from Mary .

How low can they get in order deceive the innocent ? No wonder Martin Lurther protested against such unbiblical beliefs .

The honouring worship of Mary (mother of a God ) had to be blended with the paganism which influenced the Catholic Church .

Thank you sir,
I understand they will next deny that these kids are not Mary's bla bla. To this I will demand scriptural proof and of course they won't. Please note dmandy's desperation; he is now pinning the entire debate on Mary's natural children. How does this prove her sinlessness or that she is in heaven? How does it prove her perpetual virginity?

dmandy:
Prove to me that Mary had other Children, that will settle the rest. That is your claim, isn't it?

You are shifting goalposts. How does this 'settle the rest'?
1. Prove Mary is in heaven
2. Prove Mary was sinless
3. Prove Mary was a perpetual virgin

Concerning her other natural children,I just did,
Matthew 12:46 (ESV)
46 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.

dmandy:
Does that mean that you have agreed that all those your running up and down could not disprove anything? If yes, let me school you

Once again,
For every claim you make, give proof or withdraw. It's that simple

1. There is no evidence Mary is in heaven. If you are categorical she is, give us proof

2. There is no evidence of Mary's sinlessness and there is ample evidence that ONLY Jesus was sinless which rules out any other human's sinlessness. In short, there is concrete evidence AGAINST Mary's sinlessness

3. There is no evidence of Mary's perpetual virginity and there is some evidence against it namely, a <=12yrs marriage,children. If you think this is surmountable, take a pass at it and give us your best proof that she is a perpetual virgin.

All these posts and not a shred of evidence coming is evidence of severe bankruptcy of scriptural basis for Catholicism's Satanism's core doctrines

dmandy:
Sure, ignorance will send many to hell.

Make a claim, back it up with proof or withdraw it.

This applies not just in scriptures but in life.

I can imagine when you marry and you accuse your wife of infidelity. She demands proof and you demand she disprove you else she is guilty as accused

Cc brocab,Ayoku777,KingEbukaNaija,ichiato,italo,Syncan the high priestess

dmandy:
No you don't school anyone all you do is insult and call people names. When you finally decide to be civil, I have all the time to learn what you have to offer.

2 Timothy 3:7 (KJV)
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Ignorance will send many to hell