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AlfaSeltzer:Where are the witches and wizards? |
KingEbukaNaija:My broda, This is the 1. If you claim that Mary is the gate and that shutting the gate after the Lord so no man passes through is perpetual virginity,then the other two gates, North and South MUST be individuals to maintain consistency. Further, if passing through the gates is giving birth/life you'd need to,explain HOW men walk through one of the gates and leave through the other. They walk in as men and leave as men 2. If you claim that the Temple is Mary and that shutting the gate means perpetual virginity, you NECESSARILY imply that the gate is her birth canal. You'd have to explain how what is forbidden of the East Gate is accomplished vide the North and South Gate; getting IN and OUT of the temple. You'd also have to explain what sort of orifices are the North and South Gate 3. You can't possibly differ with Rome as Rome/papacy is infallible interpreter of scriptures |
[size=1pt] AlfaSeltzer:[/size] James 2:19 (KJV) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble |
Syncan,ichiato,italo,dmandy and all other Satanists, The temple had two gates, North and South through which men could get INTO and OUT of the Temple. Please walk me through what these are seeing Mary is the temple and the shut East gate is Mary or one of her orifice Ezekiel 46:9 (KJV) But when the people of the land shall come before the Lord in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it. Cc KingEbukaNaija,brocab |
AlfaSeltzer:Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God, Buffoon, I know this hurts you endlessly. If you can't get past that then you are not worth my while |
Syncan:Nothing is shameful than departing from the truth and following doctrines of Devils and seducing spirits 1 Timothy 4:1 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils |
Ichiato:Was Mary sinless? You brought it up and I told you to drop that for now and focus on her perpetual virginity.Where is proof of Mary's perpetual Virginity? If Syncan,Ubenedictus,dmandy and all other Satanist ret@rds have not adduced ANY evidence to this effect, when will you bring it? ![]() deviation from the norm? I believe the blow was bro syncan's quote of what you protestants held to be the norm Even you have deviated from those who deviated.Are you a m0ron? We are discussing proof for Mary's perpetual virginity and the ONLY evidence you have are others who thought or taught thus? Isn't this funny? You're the one claiming your claims are simple. I have been quoting bible passages to support my claim and you have quoted none to support your claim. Yet somehow it is mine that is baseless and unscriptural.Which scriptures have you quoted teaching Mary's perpetual virginity because I missed it? |
ValentineMary:I ignore ret@rds with utter contempt because they can't explain themselves. Define EVOLUTION first and then give us evidence for this. |
Ichiato:M0ron, Whatever favored means, only Jesus is said to be sinless. So while we may debate the meaning of 'highly favored, we can certainly rule out sinlessness. The only idiot here is you. Does been espoused translate to been pregnant?Because betrothal does not mean sex you silly Neanderthal. Do you know anything about Jewish marriages? Do you know what is Betrothal? |
Ubenedictus:What one gets when he discusses with |
Ichiato:You are digressing. I would like to think you meant Jeremiah and John the Baptist were sanctified after they were born and not before. That infact is besides the point. I wasn't pointing to Luke1:28 as proof of Mary's sinlessness. But to the fact that she was sanctified to carry our Lord who is the new covenant. And as with past covenant that with houses the covenant are not used for any other purpose other than housing the covenant. I gave an example of Uzzah in my past post. Am not talking of Mary's immaculate conception, at least not yet. You're trying to drag this discussion somewhere else without concluding the one at hand.The question is what 'sanctified' has to do with sinlessness. Why quote it? It says she is HIGHLY FAVORED not sanctified. At this point I wish to ask you what 'sanctified' means If one who is married is expected to have kids, why would they wait after the birth of Christ to even try?Don't be an idiot, would you keep trying to have other kids with your pregnant wife? aren't you also making a claim that Mary did give birth to other children besides Jesus? Just like me are you not expected to prove this?Because we have children called Mary's |
Ichiato:You claim Mary was sinless, scriptures tell us only Jesus is sinless You claim Mary was a perpetual virgin. This means no sex with her husband of at least 12 years. This is a devotion from the norm that begs for evidence. My claim is simple; all your core claims/beliefs are unscriptural and baseless |
Ichiato:We need you to prove these 1. Mary was sinless 2. Mary was a perpetual virgin disproving #2 does not help with any of these Catholicism claims. |
Ichiato:There is NOTHING to see my broda, what difference does it make shutting your eyes or opening them in pitch darkness? Who gave you this answer? Let me state that mary does not just represent the gate but that which the gate leads into. The temple we know is the dwelling place of the Lord as stated in the bible. Tje bible also stated that the Lord dwelled in Mary.Mary is now the Temple? ![]() You recall there were men actively working within the temple? Luke 1:28 tells us of Mary's sanctity even before she conceived Jesus. The fact that you need proof of Mary's sanctity is quite telling on the god you claim to worship. Can your God dwell in a place which is not sanctified? Or maybe you need to check what it means to be sanct.Which part of Luke 1:28 points to sinlessness? Luke 1:28 (ESV) 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” Jeremiah and John the Baptist were also sanctified before they were born. Does this make them sinless? Holy Spirit has concluded ALL as sinners...all barring Jesus Christ. Since Mary is not Jesus, she had sin. can you desist from the name calling? It only shows how shallow you are. Forcus on the discuss and not my person.Why are you denying your father(of all lies)? Why not lets discuss Mary's perpetual virginity first before moving to her immaculate conception. Let's not jump the gun here. May I ask why you are so sure Mary indeed had children after Jesus Christ?That's what we have been doing and so far there is ZERO proof of perpetual virginity in the scriptures. She had kids because the bible says so, because she had just been betrothed and this is expected of marriage. Who marries a woman just to retain her a virgin? Before you flip this on me, it you |
AlfaSeltzer:Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God |
KingEbukaNaija:Thank you sir, Being chosen/favored can be said of Jeremiah and John the Baptist, I wonder why they never attempt to push sinlessness for these two as well. |
Ichiato:Because he is not making sense I thought he mentioned earlier that this gate represents Mary.I thought I saw that too. Question is why...WHY the gate? Answer is simple; circular reasoning. 'The gate represents Mary because Mary represents the gate' In Jewish tradition, any sanctified object may not be used for any other purpose other than the purpose for which it was sanctified. There are a number of physical objects that would certainly fall under this tradition. The Ark of the Covenant is a good example. In fact, the solemnity of this tradition is witnessed to when Uzzah accidentally touched the Ark of the Covenant. He was struck dead by God(2 Samuel 6:6-7)What makes you imagine that Mary was 'sanctified' in any way? If it is inconceivable to even suggest that the Ark would be used for something other than carrying Gods covenant, then why does not the same logic not also apply to Mary the Mother of the New Covenant?Because we are not told Mary was 'sanctified' in the first place, nor whether her superhuman 'sanctity' was necessary for her to be Jesus' mother. The fact that scriptures only speak of one man being without sin (Jesus Christ) is sufficient to rule out claims that long before Jesus happened, a woman was sinless And it is blasphemous to call Mary the 'mother of the New Covenant'. Desist from blasphemy you foul mouthed Satanist! Why do you reject such a clear biblical analogy as what would regard as more holy that which carried elements which God had sanctified or that which had carried God himself (the source of all holiness)?Because such analogies are stupid. You'd need proof Mary was sinless first and also proof that this was a condition for Jesus to be born. Let me pick your brains I have heard To circumvent this, it is claimed that God somewhat purified Mary of her sins supernaturally despite her being born of sinners. If Mary could survive sin infection despite being born of sinners, why do you demand that Jesus' mother be sinless to guarantee Jesus' sinlessness? Cc Syncan,brocab,Ayoku777,KingEbukasBlog,dmandy,italo |
[size=1pt] ValentineMary:[/size] Name your sources and stop pretending to be brainier that you be ![]() http://www.economist.com/node/14361755 |
ValentineMary:It seems you can't think nor articulate yourself, definitely not worth my while |
PastorAIO:Why would he excuse Jesus of some bodily functions? One would argue that pain is also a bodily function |
ValentineMary:You won't define evolution. Define EVOLUTION and then you will be worth my while |
dmandy:What has the gate got to do with Mary? You have a habit of ill-thought half-baked asinine arguments you never follow through. On Revelation 12, you abandon the debate halfway after your illogic was outed, you are busy doing the same here. I have lost interest in whether the gate is shut or not because this has nothing to do with Mary |
dmandy:You started with a belief that Mary never had other biological children and your proof for this is another belief that that men are not allowed to go through a gate after the Lord has gone through it. For one, there are exemptions to the gate being shut as evidenced in 46:1 but whether this is valid or not, it does not support Mary perpetual virginity |
dmandy:Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving"; also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.[1] The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion, and as a consequence the argument fails to persuade. Other ways to express this are that there is no reason to accept the premises unless one already believes the conclusion, or that the premises provide no independent ground or evidence for the conclusion.[2] Begging the question is closely related to circular reasoning, and in modern usage the two generally refer to the same thing.[3] Circular reasoning is often of the form: "A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true." Circularity can be difficult to detect if it involves a longer chain of propositions. Academic Douglas Walton used the following example of a fallacious circular argument: Wellington is in New Zealand. Therefore, Wellington is in New Zealand.[4] Source |
[size=1pt] gabriellaleo:[/size] Rubbish |
dmandy:I want to know how Mary morphs into a gate. Thanks Circular reasoning 101 1. We believe after Christ was born, Mary remained a virgin meaning no man came through her after this 2. The East gate of Ezekiel's temple is shut after the Lord goes in through it meaning no man me through it after this 3. The proof for #1 is #2 In short Question is, What has #2 got to do with #1? |
dmandy:I can school you on Solomon's and Ezekiel's temple my broda. The Sanctuary is the temple not the inner part of the temple. Question is what has a temple gate got to do with Mary? And who are the other two gates, North, South? [img]http://cafn.files./2014/09/ezekiels-temple.jpg[/img] |
dmandy:Mary is the East gate? Walk me through this verse referencing the SAME gate; Ezekiel 44:3 (ESV) 3 Only the prince may sit in it to eat bread before the Lord. He shall enter by way of the vestibule of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.” What is it all about? Secondly, Why is it escaping you that this gate is called the OUTER gate? Ezekiel 44:1 (ESV) 1 Then he brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces east. And it was shut. Thirdly, dmandy:Who told you Sanctuary means the inner part of the temple? And finally, What has a shut gate in a vision got to do with Mary? |
AlfaSeltzer:Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God |
dmandy: ![]() Moving on, You have failed to meaningfully distinguish the gates of the temple. 44:1-3 has 'OUTER gate of the sanctuary' while 46:1-2 has 'gate of the INNER court' This is way different from inner gate and outer gates you postulate or imagine. But supposing you are right, What do these gates represent? |
brocab:I found you dealing with these Satanists and I thought to include you so you don't repeat the same things over. Bye |
Syncan:After reaching the end of your dim wits you are free to conclude thus. |
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