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Edygrin:
Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP), Zyad Ibn Isah, says the UK Metropolitan Police is far from being perfect despite rising from its messy state in the ’80s.


https://guardian.ng/news/uk-police-was-once-as-flawed-as-nigerias-force-asp-tells-kemi-badenoch/

Which ASP be this one? Please leave Kemi Alone. Let her focus on solutions to her country while we focus on improving Nigeria.

You guys should just let her be and face your businesses

Malikdking:
Geddifvck you stooopweed slowpoke
Must you bring Christianity into your shit ?
Face the Jew now, sebi the Christians are toothless.... Face the Jew you bastard

E dey pain you bastardized soul abi

Are you a terrorist Mr Christian? Are there no Christian terrorists, Mr "Holier than thou"?

Na God go punish you. Idiot.

DrMrsAdeniran:
It shall never be well with Muslim terrorists.

And it will also be well with Christian and Jewish terrorists

InfoGuru118:
https://news360ng.com/i-do-not-take-pleasure-in-inflicting-pain-on-nigerians-tinubu/

I beg to disagree sir, you are pleased with the opportunity to inflict pain on us

gidgiddy:
Defamation, also known as slander or libel, has to be decriminalised. Defamation should be a purely civil matter. Most of the major countries of the world no longer have criminal defamation, they have civil defamation.

The big issue with having criminal defamation is that it is now being used by people in 'high places' to intimidate, harass abd subjugate less fortunate people.

Examples are ERISCO and Chioma, Burna Boy and speed Darlington, Afe Babaloa and Dele Farotimi

In these cases, the complainant will write petition, claiming someone made a false presentation. Before you know it, the accused will be arrested, wisked away to another part of the country, clamped in detention for weeks or even months, even before they are charged to court.

The police should not be part of 'he said-she said', arresting people and clamping them in detention over what they said.

If you feel someone has defamed you, sue them to court and claim damages, it should not be a Police matter, nor a criminal matter

Why should we decriminalize it?

Topman7:
KEMI BADENOCH NOW KNOWS THAT NIGERIA IS A POWERFUL COUNTRY SHE CANNOT INSULT ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS.

Once VP Shettima made that speech asking her to “remove her first name”, the entire British media reported on the story, and questions are now being asked in the UK about her judgement and temperament in antagonising one of Britain’s major trading partners in the era of Brexit when Britain needs as many friends as it can get.

So she’s feeling the blowback of her stupidity.

All they need to do now is investigating her VICTORIA ISLAND rich background which she lied about by claiming she lived in poverty in Nigeria and had to trek miles to fetch water.m, and was hiding under her bed because of armed robbers in Victoria Island.

Lying about her own country just to get ahead.

Tufia.

U don dey sick like Seun Kuti

press9jatv:
"African governments should ban Kemi Badenoch from coming to Africa"

~ Seun Kuti says



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE3SgDsCDQw

Seun no get sense anymore

TimeManager:
Atiku may shock everyone and support Obi in 2027, however, he must be ready to be banished from the North and all his emirate titles withdrawn.
And if Obi goes back to PDP, it'd be a moral burden on him, he would be ranked as the highest political prostitute, thereby losing credibility among his followers.

-Kiss the truth!

Atiku has an ambition to be President, not really support Obi.

Anything wey make Atiku no contest, he will jet out to Dubai and take some break without supporting anyone.

He is that selfish with his political power.

Jmertin:
How comfortable is she feeling here.

Very comfortable

MASTERCHIEF0847:
Issue of jurisdiction is also there. Can a court order here stop sales in the US or EU?

No the court can not enforce an order in the USA or other parts of the world but in Nigeria.

MadamVanessa:


Illiterate Akpabio that talks fóolishly and carelessly is likely to surround himself with illiterate people like this too.

You are very much on point. Akpabio himself talks foolishly and like he is not exposed so we should expect people like that or even worse around him.

How can you congratulate someone on the death of his wife? Like seriously!

Kukutente23:
Is RMAFC existing for only federal revenues or for federally collected revenue?
Check their act and get educated properly
All revenue collected for the federation is supposed to be under the purview of RMAFC. The federal govt also has a proportion of VAT that belongs to it. That's the VAT on imports and FCT.

You are always referring me to RMAFC act like it is an authority, I have told you several times that the role of RMAFC is advisory.

The commission can't dictate to the executive and legislative arm of government. RMAFC autonomy is regarding the process of reaching its conclusion which are recommended to the executive government of Nigeria as an advice.

It's recommendations are not binding on the executive government, it's recommendations are at best advices. That is all to it.

You can cry about it till tomorrow but that is the reality.

Let me make it clear to you: this train of the Tax Reform Bills can't be stopped, it can only be delayed for a short while.

The executive government will have it's way on the Tax Reforms with or without the support of the few northern state actors that are working against it. Ultimately, it is in the interest of every state in Nigeria.

Your attempt to use RMAFC has failed already, let's see you come up with another gimmick.

We shall see.

Kukutente23:
What is here that makes sense if I may ask you. A tax that is collected by the FG and shared by the FG is suddenly not under the body statutorily empowered to share allocation. Make it make sense. Where is it in the constitution that FG should collect VAT in the first place? Taiwo is being clever by half.

Does RMAFC involve in the sharing of stamp duty tax?

Originally, VAT is supposed to be under the purview of the states. The reason it is left for the Federal government to collect and share to states is to prevent multiple tax in the first place so it is reasonable to conclude that RMAFC can't be involved in VAT sharing.

I think I concur with that argument

Kukutente23:
Where is it in the press release that he is answerable to the executive.

Go and read the RMAFC Act and stop blowing ignorant air.

Are you the spokesman for RMAFC now or were they sleeping on a bicycle when they wrote their memorandum to the senate

There's nothing like boss. I already showed you that RMAFC is an autonomous institution. You are still working tirelessly to push them under control of the FG. You are beginning to sound like an agbadorian to me. They are the ones that insist on being wrong even in the face of superior facts.

Another thread that might interest you:

https://www.nairaland.com/8290652/tax-reforms-vat-not-under

We are all learning

Kukutente23:
Where is it in the press release that he is answerable to the executive.

Go and read the RMAFC Act and stop blowing ignorant air.

Are you the spokesman for RMAFC now or were they sleeping on a bicycle when they wrote their memorandum to the senate

There's nothing like boss. I already showed you that RMAFC is an autonomous institution. You are still working tirelessly to push them under control of the FG. You are beginning to sound like an agbadorian to me. They are the ones that insist on being wrong even in the face of superior facts.

We shall see who the boss is!

Okay, RMAFC is an autonomous institution that advices the Federal Executive Government. It is not autonomous in isolation otherwise it's functions can't be achieved.

Call me whatever, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Let me rest since there is no more basis for this argument anymore

Kukutente23:
Did he do a press conference when he opposed the VAT component in the bill? Have you ever heard the word leaked before? RMAFC submitted a memo detailing their take on the tax bills. The memo was leaked by some interested party and now you are saying the chairman cleared the air. Did he put anything in the air that needs clearing?

That press briefing is called damage control. Ever heard of it. He's doing that to assuage bloody agbadorians who are already calling for his head for giving a professional and confidential take on a critical matter. That is agbadorians for you. No brain, just noise.

The chairman of RMAFC is simply trying to inform you people that he is answerable to the Federal Executive Government.

His submissions are advisory through recommendations and justifications and he has submitted that to the executive government.

RMAFC is in agreement with the FG on the Tax Reform Bills and will see it through.

RMAFC has made it's input and is still making it's input on the bills as it affects Revenue Allocation.

Ultimately, don't pitch RMAFC against it's boss. They are working together.

EXPRESSSMAN:
You , explain how it favours every states.
He wants to make 60% derivation, when the headquarters of most of the companies paying VAT are in Lagos, Rivers, Ogun and Oyo.
So if these 4 States take 60% of the VAT proceed , what is left for the other 32 states to share. So how does it favour them. Meanwhile, the products of these companies are consumed in all the states. These are the bone of contention.
So south west are supporting it because Lagos, Ogun and Oyo states are the biggest beneficiary forgetting that Niger Delta states can as well ask for 60% derivation from Oil proceeds as well.
How did Tinubu arrive at 60% with consulting the States and even RMAFC.
This is the bad governance we are talking about.

60% derivation of the total VAT generated from each state to the state where it is generated. Is that not beneficial to each of the states?

This is not bad governance in my view

Kukutente23:
There's nothing like tribal bigot. Agbados are not limited to a particular tribe. They are the asinine sycophants of Tinubu who believes anything that comes from him must be swallowed hook, line and sinker

They joined him to oppose subsidy removal in 2012 and today they are hailing him for reforms that include subsidy removal. Is that not sycophancy?

RMAFC raised a constitutional argument and instead of them to look at it from that prism, they have reduced it to the tribe of the chairman as if the chairman will unilaterally arrive at the position without the concurrence of other members.

But the chairman of RMAFC just cleared the air. He said he is in support of the tax reform bills. He said there was a misinformation and the news that RMAFC was against it is fake.

He even did a press briefing to that effect.

Let us leave it at that and not begging to denigrate others or blame Agbadorians - whatever that means

Kukutente23:
Go and read and stop arguing blindly. RMAFC has advisory aspect as well as executing powers as well

You are just hiding under advise to make it look like they are relevant in revenue allocation when their statutory function is that particular allocation and derivation issue

What is there about the press release? Is it not to save face since agbadorians started attacking the agency for raising a constitutional question. Agbados are very rabid humans who do not apply commonsense in their approach to national issues. All they know is sycophancy

Now you are being a tribal biggot. I thought we were having a constructive argument?

I don't want to descend to that low and don't drag me into it.

EXPRESSSMAN:
Don't mind them. Tinubu keeps destroying the country with every step he took and some ignorant folks keep supporting him.

Please read:

https://rmafc.gov.ng/2024/12/press-release-rmafc-not-opposed-to-president-tinubus-tax-reform/

The subject of this discuss was a misinformation after all.

Kukutente23:
You type ignorantly this man. This is section 7 of the RMAFC act spelling out that it is an independent and autonomous body just like the CBN act. It's obvious you are ignorant that RMAFC has its own Act.



If you know anything about our governance system, you will know that any body listed in section 153 is an autonomous body. That is the idea behind s153 but I still had to go and copy the RMAFC act for you to cure your befuddling ignorance.

Go and read up the RMAFC act and the relevant sections of the constitution before you come here blowing hot air.

Okay, I will read the RMAFC act to again to clear my doubts. It is a unique information for me.

However, I still strongly opine that RMAFC functions are advisory.

This may also interest you:

https://rmafc.gov.ng/2024/12/press-release-rmafc-not-opposed-to-president-tinubus-tax-reform/

A visit to the website of the commission made me see the press release and when I read it, I realized that the basis for the argument we have been having all the while was unfounded because there was a deliberate misinformation. RMAFC was never against the proposed Tax Reform Bills.

Kukutente23:
You are ignorant this man

What the hell is the meaning of committee of appointed persons not elected. Is CBN gov and his MPC elected? What about INEC chairman and his commissioners? Are they elected?

Oya show from the constitution where CBN is stated to be autonomous. RMAFC is listed under s153 as one of the statutory federal bodies with distinct functions which makes it autonomous. For example, it can decide to reduce the salary of the President and it is the only body with the power to determine the revenue sharing formula with approval from the President and NASS just as its chairman just pointed out. It is there in its enabling Act as well as the 3rd schedule Part 1 of the constitution

See the nonsense you are saying. Go and read the CBN Act. The CBN cannot change the currency without getting approval from the President. It is clearly written so in CBN enabling Act. Even the naira management policy must be approved by the President. Go and read the CBN Act.

Try to be open to learning when the opportunity arises. CBN Act and INEC Act are available on public space, in fact online. Search it on google and download to read.

You will see that the acts indicated that CBN and INEC are independent and autonomous organizations of Government.

Unlike your revered RMAFC. I still can't find autonomy in the part of the Constitution that empowered RMAFC. Can you show me?

Are you the one implying the autonomy for RMAFC; interpreting the Constitution wrongly. That is a subject for determination on court if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt yo the court but I know you will lose the case on court.

Again, I will correct you, RMAFC function is advisory with recommendations and justifications. RMAFC position is not order or law or mandatory on the Government of Nigeria.

Is there anything we will not see from these antagonists?

Kukutente23:
Keep quiet and stop writing rubbish

Can CBN change the country's currency without Presidential approval? Does CBN autonomously decide to float or defend the naira without Presidential approval?

You think it is only the revenue allocation that is the work of RMAFC? Who fixes the salaries of all political office holders including the President? Is it not the same RMAFC? And for your info, RMAFC is a commission not a committee.

RMAFC is an autonomous body which works with even states and LGs. Check section 153 of the Constitution

FG and NASS cannot unilaterally change revenue allocation framework. Go and get yourself properly educated instead of blowing ignorant hot air.

You are just typing up and down out of ignorance

RMAFC is a commission driven by a committee of appointed persons not elected persons.

RMAFC is not autonomous - show or quote the Constitution that says it is autonomous.

CBN consulting with the Federal Government on change of currency notes, floating or defending the naira does not take away CBNs autonomy on matters of Monetary policy. The consultation is primarily a courtesy and it is to ensure that the monetary and fiscal policies of Nigeria are synchronized to compliment each other and achieve best possible results in the interest of Nigeria. CBN autonomy is derived from the act that established it. Can you show me the word autonomy in the Constitution or act that established RMAFC?

Read more brother, I am waiting to hear your next line of argument

shortIGBOman:
What is tribal in the North rejecting a bill that is meant to favour only Lagos and Tinubu? You are just pained that the North has killed Tinubu's tax bill.

So the bill does not favor Enugu, Anambra, Imo, Ebonyi and others?

It does not favor Kano, Bauchi, Kaduna, Nassarawa, Kogi, Edo, Delta, Rivers, Always Ibom and other?

It does not favor every state and Abuja in Nigeria?

Tell what you even know about the Tax Reform Bills. I can bet you don't know anything about it other than what you have heard on social media and your hatred for Yorubas and particularly the Tinubu

shortIGBOman:
The Tinubu version is dead. The one that will later be approved is the version with contents that is not anti-North. Tinubu's original tax bill is dead. Anyhow it is, the North will prevail.

You have a serious Tribal Bigotry problem. Obviously, you are still fixated with the election that produced the president when a lot of us have moved on. You can keep lamenting and complaining, I don't care.

I have no time for you - ShortIgboMan

Kukutente23:
You're being purely sentimental now whereas you acted as if you're arguing from the court of law.

Firstly, the FEC does not have the power to determine allocation since it's an interested party. RMAFC acts as an autonomous body in that regard.

You reject RMAFC's constitutionally given power but you don't realise that CBN has been raising interest rates on loans taken in Nigeria including govt loans without recourse to FEC.

To apply your logic, CBN that's selected but not elected is dictating to the Executive how much to pay as interest on loans taken in the same Nigeria the executive is elected to administer?

Who is the joke now

Your argument is so ridiculous. CBN is an autonomous organization. CBN is not a committee; it is not under the direct control of the federal government with respect to monetary policy administration in Nigeria. Federal Government has the powers over fiscal policy. Go and read the CBN act.

You can't compare CBN with RMAFC. RMAFC is a committee that reports to the Federal Government and it's responsibility is primarily advisory. CBN is an executing body with autonomy as it concerns monetary policy.

What is sentimental about these argument that I presented?

Federal Executive Council and, National Assembly through legislative laws, can determine the allocation to Federal, State and Local Government based on lawful and approved template and ratio.

The role of RMAFC is advisory. RMAFC is not autonomous - please prove that I am wrong with facts and the law.

Don't keep telling me what you think without verifiable facts

shortIGBOman:
Either Igbo leaders support the North on this bill or not. The North alone can kill the bill. The North has succeeded in suspended the bill, even after it passed the second reading in the Senate. Northerners in House of Reps didn't even allow the bill to be deliberated upon.


The North alone na ONE MAN MOPOL for this Country

You think the bill is dead?

You will still be on nairaland when it is passed into law.

Uncletony:
Exactly the way it is! Thanks for reminding us how dysfunctional and fake the country can get yet again.

You think the bill is dead?

You will still be on nairaland when it is passed into law.

HarunaWest:
Go and read all the nine pages before we begin to argue. The sensational ones were posted and everyone is already reacting to it. What the RMAFC did was to draw the governments ear and give advice on the best way to go. We keep allowing politicians to intefere into the affairs of our institutions. Look how docile and comical INEC has become. What the RMAFC reminded the executive was that some it is constitutionally empowered in regards revenue mobilization and fiscal policies and enactment. They should be carried along thats all.

Constitutionally empowered to do what?

Tell us what RMAFC is empowered to do by the Constitution?

Is it other than advisory? Advisory to who? Who does RMAFC report to by the Constitution?

Is RMAFC an executive body?

Carried along like a God or the boss or what?

Answer the question and stop deflecting

Kukutente23:
You're so far offpoint. What does the constitution mandate the president to do upon receiving the advice and who is giving the advice in this scenario now? What that section is detailing is the procedure for allocation of federally collected revenue. The revenue will be shared based on the advice from RMAFC which the president is to table before NASS for consideration. Even if the president decides to reject the advice, that's where it ends and not that another agency will bring its own advice. The advice comes BEFORE the bill can be tabled before NASS. That's what the section is saying

Hmmm.

You are very funny. So you mean:
the RMAFC is the only one that can initiate a change of the Revenue Sharing Formula?

The RMAFC is superior to the executive federal government?

The committee comprising people selected but not elected to govern the affairs of Nigeria will dictate to the executive and legislative arm of government elected to administer the affairs of Nigeria?

You are such a joke.

Kukutente23:
You're simply ignorant. Go back to 162(2). These are the allocation principles that take precedence according to that section.
population,
equality of States,
internal revenue generation,
land mass,
terrain
population density.
From the above, you can't have 60% derivation as that will surely conflict with this section as well. Derivation is not listed as part of the major parameters.
Go and get properly educated man.
Good day

A semi educated person calling an educated person out to get proper education.

Hmmmm. Utterly ridiculous.

I got no time for you