₦airaland Forum

Tinubucocainesn:
Buhari is a criminal
But Bola Ahmed Tinubu is an ekperima

Thank GOD is not buhari that loot

MartinsD12:
I know say na Hausa man go do that kind thing always carry money in bags quite unfortunate

You thought

We hope so, may you be better than Buhari in every section of this country. Amin

Paramount01:
You did not mention Lagos,

Bro think now, you mention Benue, A place the governor himself that is supporting him lost his senatorial seat, yet you still say he won

Kano, I base in one of the Northwest states, I am a Christian but we Christians know obi have no political relevance here, in some pu obi has no agent, in some local govt nobody knows obi

Bros let them continue making noise, even Atiku that is second in position is not hyping like them.

Chindozy:
The rejected stone shall later be the cornerstone. By the way, try and get your facts right. Thanks

The facts is right, and I got nothing enmity against him. This is exactly what Tinubu did when has Lagos back then.

You are making things worst on you. Mute, back off and let it go as it is, because this is not the first time.

Let say the Audio is made up by your haters or people has wrongly misunderstand it.

Back then when you are Governor, you chase, jail and let your people killed our brothers. How can explain this?

EKONGKING:
The same applies to Northern Nigerians and there Imams .

Example please

Wallahi it pain them

[quote author=Akungitit post=122730556]Obi has finally returned to who he is,a NOBODY. Now Peter Gringory Obi is looking for attention by all means but I like how Tinubu is ignoring him.

Killerbag36:
Its will be manipulated last last to favour the north
People go count cows join

They pay 2million sha

This shows you never been to north for tour.

SmallDick99:
their is nothing holy about that your useless, evil prophet that brought the most evil and occultic religion on Earth.

You guys do worse but when reverse is the case u start crying fowl. Christians are too soft we their rules.

Even in this same nigeria we have Islamic states, ran by sharia barbaric laws. I couldn't believe something like that was going on in this country until recently. This is a country that is supposed to be totally a secular country, with ultimate religious freedom but u guys fraudulently added Sharia bullshit to our constitution.

I'm in my house, come and stone me to death. Nonsense!

You're sayin' trash this is because you never tour part of this country. Back to the course, you still didnt answer my question. I've witness many of your case like this. Just one prove where non muslim force to wear hijab.

leroi01:
If you must attend an event In al hikma (Islamic uni) and the rule is to wear a hijab. Wear one or don't
Attend. (That's the choice . Those are the rights you have. )

Same applies to covenant (Christian uni). Obey the rules of engagement or don't attend.

Is it so difficult to understand?

You we never force any non muslim to wear hijab in our school. Tag me if you have evidance.

Pierocash:
This religion of trouble have taken their madness to covenant University. They always disobey constituted authorities using religious clog as a means.

If a Christian dares wears anything like rosary, cross, or any attire depicting Christianity to access a Muslim environment,this children of hate and perdition will call it blasphemy,and murder the innocent Christian.

But see them ,always taking their foolishness to other religious environment and lord it over everyone.

You have been brainwashed, but to be honest it doesn't work that way. The thing we called blasphemy is when you insult our holy Prophet.

FOOTSOLDIER1:
What of any time you want to defy an underage girl ? Just like your pedophile Mohammed (SAW)

Look at this nonsense agbero. Anyway it wont be suprise, son of outside wedding

Alhamdulillah Masha Allah

Who cares, just let them do whatever they want, kill whoever they want to it's their family. Enjoy their shege

Spray:
The truth is, if it were imam that carried such weapon we'll start seeing Islamabad everywhere

I thank God its not muslim, you'll see nairaland hypos going up and down on the matter

Governor Nasir el-Rufai of Kaduna state, said that as governors of the north, they will do their best to ensure that the government of Nigeria returns to the hands of the people of the south in the upcoming election.

In an interview with the Hausa section of the BBC, el-Rufai said, "All the slander that is being done in this election, we have already won it, and we will not back down, we will fight this war, we will do it again." let's show them that we northerners are not stupid people".

The governor of Kaduna said, "The matter of elders, no elders, I am also an elder because in this year 2023 I will be 63 years old, so who are the elders of the North, we the governors of the North are the elders of the North and we are the leaders of the North."

"That's why we drew a line and we put the sword, if God wills, we will shame them." He said.

In his interview, el-Rufai challenged those behind the new currency exchange system in Nigeria with the aim of crippling their presidential candidate in the APC party.

He said, "Most of the people who do this are not members of the party, we formed this party, we fought the election campaign, and they took over the government and used it for their own pleasure, and they also do it to The party is sabotaging the country and deceiving the president."

The governor of Kaduna, said if it is not sabotage, why would it be said that they have been in government for eight years and now that the elections are about to be held, the issue of changing the documents and the issue of fuel scarcity that is being faced in the country will be brought up?

He said, "As it is being spread on social media that we are accusing the Vice President of sabotaging the country, Professor Osibanjo has nothing to do with it. This is the hypocrisy of the people of the North because they want to hypocrisy us and the governors of the North. we want the Kingdom to return to the south."

The governor of Kaduna said, "They have been doing this kind of review for a long time and we are only watching them because the time is near, but it is clear that the president is being given the advice to form the party, we have to put a brake on them, and by God they will let's do it."

"Now all APC governors will go and meet the president."

Also in the interview, el-Rufai said that the rumors that they are having a discussion are false, as well as the rumors that the President is giving support to the candidate of the opposition party, Atiku Abubakar, are false. said, so that everyone knows President Buhari will never do anything against his party.

El-Rufai said, "If you go to President Buhari's office, you will talk a lot, but the problem is that when you leave his office, there are some in the office and some outside who want nothing more than to call for an election, and they know themselves." , and when the time is right, I will tell who they are."

https://www.nationalepitome.com/2023/02/im-not-afraid-of-northern-elders-el.html

truthCoder:
lol

I deposit 50k into my Nigerian bank account, they charge me different charges. At the end of the day, i am able to only access 49,800.

This happens in islamic banks too as bank charges in the grouse of sms alerts, stamp duties, maintenance charges, atm withdrawal charges etc are all general.

Also on the concept of 'hand-to-hand', permit to explain if the MD of the banks must be the person to hand over the cash to all customers or the ATM machine (which was not existing when your assumptions were made)?

How do you plan on handing over BTC and USDT 'hand-to-hand'? I am sure your founders never imagined a day would come when money would become virtual.

Cheers

In Islam we do everything with reason, and let me tell you Islam is the only religion that works with any generation be it now or the future era

Truetalkisreal:
that means all POS operators are sinners 😅 funny people

Not all, just any that practise what the Op said

Cashless policy is a good feature to move Nigerians forward, but there's something behind the scene it of it.

The thing is both Buhari and the CBN Boss has their own devil idea behind Naira redesign.

Maybe Buhari is doing so just to punish Tinubu and some other looter's, cause we have seen a clear sign that Buhari doesn't want Tinubu to be his sucessor.

To retaliate the huge blow given by politician and other lawmaker, the CBN Governor i think is using this medium to bite back what they've did to him.

The All Progressives Congress's (APC) Bola Ahmed Tinubu, who is running for president, claimed on Wednesday that there were plots to sabotage the 2023 general elections by creating a fuel shortage.

During the APC presidential campaign, Tinubu gave a speech in Abeokuta, Ogun State.

"They don’t want this election to hold. They want to sabotage it. Will you allow them?”, Tinubu asked the teeming supporters at the MKO Abiola stadium, Kuto, Abeokuta.

However, the former governor of Lagos maintained that Nigerians would travel to the polls despite the petrol shortage.
He predicted that the upcoming elections would be a better revolution.

“They have started coming up with the issue of ‘no fuel’. Don’t worry, if there is no fuel, we will trek to cast the vote.
"If you like increase price of fuel, hide the fuel or change the ink on the naira notes, we will win the election,” he said

[url]https://www.nationalepitome.com/2023/01/naira-redesign-and-fuel-scarcity-are.html [/url]

This old garbage is cookin' up something. Those who believe obasanjo is a saint, are mostly teenagers who dont exactly knows what happen during his regime both in 80's and 90's. Becareful on what you are about to fall

A true and sane northerner will never vote those top notch seek presidential chair. We've heard and seen some of the wicked things they did to our people when they're in power back then.

Exmilitant:
Something tells me Buhari is a nice man with good intentions for Nigerians but, he met an established cartels who caged him.

I wonder if we would ever have that leader who can stand up to the "cartels" running and ruining this country.

We'll see about that, very soon

Buhari is not the problem of Nigeria. You'll believe me when we had our next president.

Look you better stop blaming and act technically. When boko haram were killing our people we were wondering why are they killing us while they claim that they're our freedom fighter.

You need to smoke out those masquarading as your freedom fighters, before things go vary. Handling issues like this with kid's glooves can only make it worst.

Actually, this tale sound fishy. 50,000 year, something is cooked up.

TenQ:
Dear Sir,
I truely appreciate you for your response. They were quite detailed in some place why not too satisfactory in others. Nevertheless, I truely appreciate your response.

You asked me a Question (final paragraph)

The answer is NOT short (and I wouldn't mind answering them in another page). But the summary is that
1. I feel you have been deceived into having a God who you think and believe is the True God. Thus, you will enter Hell fire before you realise that you've been sincerely deceived. Qur'an 19:71 (All Muslims shall enter hell fire)

2. I am commanded by Christ Jesus to preach the Goodnews of God's solution to the problem of our nature of sin. The Goodnews is that God has PAID your Fine if only you will accept His Gift of Salvation!
Mar 16:15-16:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."
I also preach to "nominal or so-called Christians" and others, but mainly face to face.

3. I was almost a Muslim myself, so I understand your position as Muslims. The Empathy makes me help you ask Questions you will never ask or that you'll gloss over.
Why do you think Christians and Jews are FILTHY according to the Qur'an if we serve the same God?

So, my benefit is the JOY of having you SAVED from God's Damnation and you recieving Eternal Life with God in eternity.


My Questions were:
QUESTIONS:
If the Black stone is an ordinary stone (which can neither harm not bless)
1. Why did Mohammed kiss it?
2. Why is the Blackstone in the Kaaba?
3. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of Idolaters ?
4. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

Thanks for your response again!


1. I believe that early Muslim scholars have done justice to that by having a compilation of Sahih Hadiths. Like as Muslims (I assume you are Sunni) have six books you rate as Sahih and I don't go outside them in quoting for you.
2. It is almost impossible for Jews to write a hadith and circulate to the Muslim community because Muslims hate the Jews and were at war with the Jews. I don't know a single hadith that speak well about the Jews parhaps you know one
3. For explanations of the Quran, we have the Tafsirs don't we? Moreover, the hadiths were written in normal simple day-to-day Arabic unlike the Qur'an that was written as Rhymes/Poem. The hadiths usually gives a context to its narratives.
4. Finally, the Hadith Collections are Islamic Literatures written by early Muslims for Muslims: if they are untrustworthy, why keep them?

You'll agree with me that No Muslim will take it kindly with a Christian who rejects verses in his own accepted religious book.


I am aware that the black stone is supposed to be venerated because prophet Mohammad kissed it because it's supposed to neither benefit not harm (according to Umar)

BUT
Prophet Mohammed in the Hadiths seem to say OTHERWISE.

1. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”

(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/664). Al-Dhahabi agreed with him).

2. It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning the Stone: “By Allaah, Allaah will bring it forth on the Day of Resurrection, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favour of those who touched it in sincerity.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 961; Ibn Maajah, 2944

Umar says the stone doesn't harm not benefit BUT Allah's Apostle said the stone will TESTIFY in FAVOUR of those who touched it sincerely AND is an EXPIATION For sin (absorbs/removes your sins)

Who then is WRONG? Allah's Apostle or Umar?

A flag truely has no power to harm not bless, but the Blackstone is NOT USELESS!


I think my bone of contention is that
1. Allah's apostle says the STONE can absorb the sin of the believer who touched it sincerely.
2. The stone (which I believe is not omnipresent) will the given eyes and mouth
3. There is no iota of evidence which suggests that Abraham left Haram with his cattles over thousands of kilometres over the DESERT to build anything in Mecca. Just look at the Map and you'll be convinced.



I think I've been straight with this
1. Muslims do not prostrate to the Blackstone
2. Muslims do not see the Blackstone as a companion of Allah although a certain hadith (I'll try to look for it ) says that the Blackstone is the HAND of Allah).

However, it seems to me that Muslims regard the Blackstone as the Idolaters will regard their CHARMS.
What are the common things
1. Muslims don't prostrate to their charms: Just as Idolaters do not prostrate to their charms.
2. Muslims believe that the Blackstone has powers to help them (expiration of sins and testify for them on judgement day) : Just as Idolaters believe that their Chas has powers to protect them or grant them favours.
3. Muslims revere and venerate the Blackstone: just as Idolaters revere and venerate their charms.

For this reason I asked the question:
Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of Idolaters ?

Umar or Mohammed, who is WRONG about the usefulness or lack of usefulness of the Blackstone?

Are Muslims conceding that in this case Umar was Rightly Guided but the prophet was not?

I asked this question below because BEFORE Islam, the Blackstone had been venerated and kissed by Arab Idolaters. Why would Prophet Mohammad continue with the tradition? I am Sure you know that part of the reasons the black stone became black was because women in pre-islamic times touch the stones with their period blood emission in hope that the black stone (which looked like a woman's private part) would give them fertility!
This was why I asked:
Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?




Thank you sir!

I have told you before that you only want to win an argument not to understand the facts, but don't worry I decide to play long with you

Talking about Why did prophet Mohammed kiss it?

According to my research, there's no guaranted point to why but Islamic scholars have said some thought regarding it as;

1. To show his respect to Prophet Abraham. According to the history, the blackstone was given to Prophet Abraham in the process of building kabaa. So the blackstone is the icon of Abraham heritage.
2. To show his longing for Mecca (Makkah). History said that hajj al wada' (farewell hajj) is the only hajj ritual ever done by prophet Muhammad, and the only occasion he ever back to Mecca after settled in Madina, whereas Prophet Muhammad had very great love to his hometown.
3. To show gratitude to Allah SWT, since Prophet Muhammad entering Mecca with glory

Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

Because it's sunna to practice what prophet Muhammad did

Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of Idolaters ?

Do you not see that prostrating to anything other than Allah is major shirk (shirk akbar), but when Allah commanded the angels to prostrate to Adam, prostration to Adam was an act of worship to Allah, may He be exalted, and refusing to prostrate to him was an act of disbelief (kufr)?

Umar or Mohammed, who is WRONG about the usefulness or lack of usefulness of the Blackstone?

They're both right, what Umar means is that the stone here in this world has nothing to harm or benefit the one kissing it but Umar (AS) is kissing and touching it because it's recommended by our holy prophet Muhammad.

Prophet Muhammad means Allah will let the stone be beneficial to those who practice what prophet Muhammad did to the stone in hereafter

I've told you that there are many unauthentic hadith written by Jew's and other non Muslim just cause confusion and commotion in Islam.

Listen amigo, Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East or Confessions of a British Spy is a document purporting to be the account by an 18th-century British agent, Hempher, of his instrumental role in founding the conservative Islamic reform movement of Wahhabism, as part of a conspiracy to corrupt Islam. It first appeared in 1888, in Turkish, in the five-volume Mir'at al-Haramayn of Ayyub Sabri Pasha (who is thought to be the actual author by at least one scholar). It has been described as "apocryphal", a "forgery", "utter nonsense",and "an Anglophobic variation on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". It has been widely translated and disseminated, is available on the internet, and still enjoys some currency among some individuals in the Middle East and beyond. In 2002, an Iraqi military officer recapitulated the book in a "top secret document".

Read the article here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_of_Mr._Hempher,_The_British_Spy_to_the_Middle_East

Israeli Jews dress as Muslims to defy Al-Aqsa prayer ban https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/16/israeli-jews-dress-as-muslims-to-defy-ban-on-entry-to-al-aqsa

Jews are disguising themselves as Muslims to pray on Temple Mount – report https://www.timesofisrael.com/jews-are-disguising-themselves-as-muslims-to-pray-on-temple-mount-report/

TenQ:
Hello my brother!
I wasn't trying to win arguments otherwise, I would have kept my evidences as jokers. Some of what I speak of about Islam are products Muslims themselves don't bother asking questions about. I read several books by Ahmed Deedat then and he tore down every little knowledge I had about Christianity. I almost recited the shahada in my 200L until I decided to read the "Glorious Qur'an" an English translation of the Qur'an. Of course, I started from Surat-ul Al-Fathia and began to read on.

I began to see differences in narratives of prophets of Islam with the bible. I didn't have any problem with if the Qur'an contradicted the New testament BUT I had issues with if the Qur'an ALSO contradicted the Old Testament. I have read the English translation of the Tanakh (the scripture of the Jews) and see no difference with the Old Testament of the Christians. My logic was that it was impossible for Jews and Christians to conspire together to change their scripture. I was shocked that the Qur'an states equivocally that Jesus was not crucified not did He die on the cross (even secular historians are unanimous on this). Finally, My state library had a huge collection of Hadiths and me being a bookworm then began to read... learning about the Religion of Islam.

As Muslims, you take many things for granted and therefore DO NOT ask QUESTIONS! However, as a SEEKING person, I had to ask many questions (both about Christianity AND Islam) : and the answers has to be reasonable.

So, I ask questions because I wish Muslims will ask the same questions and profar logical and coherent answers consistent with both faith and reason.

If you note carefully, I rarely use evidences outside the literatures of Muslims and Science (if need be) to justify my assertions.

Now my friend:

QUESTIONS:
If the Black stone is an ordinary stone (which can neither harm not bless)
1. Why did Mohammed kiss it?
2. Why is the Blackstone in the Kaaba?
3. Can Muslims explain on the contrary why the black stone may not be equivalent to Magical Charms of Idolaters ?
4. Can Muslims explain WHY they point to or kiss/or touch the black stone as part of their religious activities during their pilgrimage?

By the Islamic definition of SHIRK, how is this different?


Thank you for your understanding. I don't mind any Muslim asking me ANY Questions about Christianity too.

Before i answered your questions please keep in mind that, there are many unauthentic hadith written by Jew's and other non Muslim just cause confusion and commotion in Islam.

There's a lot of verses and hadiths that you cannot understand it just by mere reading because you need alot of explanation on it from an Islamic scholars.

As the cornerstone of the Kaaba, the Black Stone is the most venerated stone on the face of the earth. Muslims wish to kiss it because the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) did so. However, keep in mind that the Black Stone is simply a stone. It is symbolic like a country’s flag is symbolic: something to respect and take pride in. Kissing it is not an obligation but a demonstration of love, just as you would kiss one of your children.

As the Second Khalifa of the Muslims, Umar bin al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) is quoted as saying:

I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allah’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Allah be upon him – kiss you, I would never have kissed you.

The Black Stone was given to Ibrahim from Jannah to be placed on the corner of the Holy Kaaba. Abd Allah Ibn Abbas – a cousin of Prophet Muhammad narrated that the Prophet said: “The Black Stone came down from Paradise and it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam turned it black.”

According to Islamic scholars, duas are accepted at the Hajar al-Aswad and on the Day of Judgement, it will be testifying in favour of all those who have kissed it. The Prophet said: “By Allah! On the Day of Qiyamah (judgement), Allah will present the Hajar al-Aswad in such a manner that it will have two eyes and a tongue to testify to the Imaan (faith) of all those who kissed it.”

With regard to what some ignorant people think, that the purpose behind that is to seek blessing (barakah) from it, there is no basis for that, so it is invalid.

With regard to what some heretics have said, that circumambulating the Ka‘bah is like circumambulating the graves of their saints, and that it is tantamount to idolatry, this is part of their heresy. The believers only circumambulate it in compliance with the command of Allah, and whatever is done in compliance with the command of Allah, doing it is an act of worship of Allah, may He be exalted.

Do you not see that prostrating to anything other than Allah is major shirk (shirk akbar), but when Allah commanded the angels to prostrate to Adam, prostration to Adam was an act of worship to Allah, may He be exalted, and refusing to prostrate to him was an act of disbelief (kufr)?

Hence circumambulation of the Ka‘bah is one of the greatest acts of worship; it is the foundation of the Hajj, and Hajj is one of the pillars of Islam. Hence when the mataaf (place of tawaaf) is calm, the one who does tawaaf experiences the joy of tawaaf and feels in his heart that he is close to his Lord, which confirms the virtue and high status of the House of Allah. And it is Allah Whose help we seek. End quote.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ’Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him).

Fataawa al-‘Aqeedah (p. 28, 29).

1. To show his respect to Prophet Abraham. According to the history, the blackstone was given to Prophet Abraham in the process of building kabaa. So the blackstone is the icon of Abraham heritage.

2. To show his longing for Mecca (Makkah). History said that hajj al wada' (farewell hajj) is the only hajj ritual ever done by prophet Muhammad, and the only occasion he ever back to Mecca after settled in Madina, whereas Prophet Muhammad had very great love to his hometown.

3. To show gratitude to Allah SWT, since Prophet Muhammad entering Mecca with glory

The questions you're asking, how are they beneficial to you?

Even if i prove you wrong, you still won't believe it. So i see no reason why would i waste my time explaining.

You've been taggin' me a lot and i keep mute not because i don't have reasons, but you are using undenify ways to win an arguments. Cause you are not ready to understand.

...And mind you everything we did in islam has a reason for doing it.