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None of the evidence you presented here has anything to do with proving that a conversation between mammals and an ethereal deity occurred.

TheBigUrban2: The bold has never come to pass

LOL. Even Braveguy doesn't buy most of the shtick that he tries to sell here. Give him time, he will be overpowered by common sense.

Apatheist: The bolded contradicts itself. you say they are allegories, yet they happened. do you know the meaning of the word 'allegory '?

He knows this.

If Yahweh is deflecting rockets, why is his unacknowledged son Jesus not liberating the Chibok girls? There are more Nigerians praying than there are human beings in Palestine+ Israel.

Martian: It raises the question, do many africans suffer from low self esteem?

Yes!!! Inferiority complex.

Nobody who was resurrected in the bible ever discussed their experiences in the afterlife. Why is that? Even their family members were notoriously silent on the issue. Did Jarius not ask his daughter any questions? Lazarus neighbors and homeboys didn't ask him any questions?

BraveGuy:

I am happy that you know your Bible that much to cite these three instances. But like I said earlier, you can't take one part and reject the others.

What about instances, such as when Stephen was being stoned to death and he revealed that he saw heaven opened, and Jesus Christ was there to receive Him? What about instances, such as Paul who had out-of-body experiences and he saw things that were too marvelous for him to talk about? Or what about the case of John the apostle on the Isle of Patmos, who had several out-of-body experiences that culminated in the Book of Revelation?

It is all or nothing.

We're talking about resurrected people, not the living.

Is that a testimony from Lazarus? Dude, now you're beginning to show your true Christian colors. Did you not post the testimonies of people who had NDEs here? They usually describe heaven and Jesus face and the texture of his hair and things like that. How come we never heard from Lazarus? Or Jarius daughter? Or the dude who fell out the window when Paul was having his revival ceremony?

greatgenius: understand this divine dichotomy and you would have answered your question..

You are the universe. The universe is a projection of your MIND.. A projection of consciousness..

Exactly. That's why it's dangerous to retain images of a Caucasian male in one's head as god. We may be responsible for the plight of Africans without even being aware of it. I really believe that the two things are connected.

BraveGuy: I wished I was, but I am not. I am very, very clear in these matters - Is there a God? What is the evidence of His existence? Is the Bible the Word of God? And all sorts. I am very settled on these subjects. I must admit that I might not be able to persuade you to my belief system, because it is YOUR questions that are wide and many, I am very settled in mine. In fact, I am thinking more on a deeper level that will be utter foolishness/nonsense you as an atheist, it is called the wisdom of God.

OK, so you know what happens when people die? Good for you. Isn't that a tad bit arrogant, considering we're all alive? More significant is the fact that even the authors of the bible were very careful not to include the testimony of resurrected characters in it. Jews don't believe it, the Torah being especially silent on the afterlife. But you do? And you wave a book around. That's raw arrogance.

dejilg: see? U just called someone a "lost cause", isn't dat enuf to tell u ur BP is high

It's enough to tell you that you are a lazy person. Pacifist is the opposite of warmonger. You should have checked before addressing me like an adversary, since you obviously don't know the meaning.

dejilg: And am nt a "pacifist", so stop attacking strawman!!!

Yours is a lost cause, my friend. It is you with the BP issues, judging from your comment. Since you're not a pacifist, what are you? A warmonger?

The answer @ 2:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

dejilg: Whenever God is mentioned, some people BP dey always rise. I believe in God and I won't look down on other who don't. So y dnt y'all atheist just let those who believe in God be? afterall u can spend ur time doing sometin that matters instead of arguing against an "invisible man in the sky" as u all say. make una let una BP cool down oh!

Because most believers are not pacifists like you. It feels good to mock someone who claims to know what happens when we die. Keep your claims to yourself, or express them and get ridiculed.

lawal28c: So u guys actualy knw hw 2 comment.............chai God dey watch una sha...........if 2 say na 4 mosque naim diz demonic tin happen nw,the only comments we'll b readin here iz "islam iz a devilish religion"when will u guys ever learn 2 face the fact and stand by the truth...........well diz iz 2 tell u dat islam is actualy a religion of peace because no muslim 4 here don insult the church or christainity nw.1 REP ISLAM,I REP EDO STATE(STILL DAT AUCHI BOY)

Allah is probably greater than Jesus. I've seen his followers muster enough faith to kill themselves.

How many prophecies about a plane crash does he have? Didn't he also prophesy about the other missing flight, the one that disappeared?

ty444: Atheist on nairaland are mainly frustrated,embittered and dejected inndividuals who decide to go awol bcause of unfufilled promises,unrewarded devotion,betrayal by religious co,and loss of faith in spirtual context,this same people will shout for protection from the non existing mystic when faced with dangerous intrusions.

Death is inevitable for us all. Shouting for protection doesn't prevent it.

Vicfus: Any person that says there is no God is a big fool and a walking Corpse

LOL, succinct and simple. We are all walking corpses though. The only difference between us and a bunch of corpses is Father Time.

Just admit it, Braveguy, it's over. You're here because you're full of questions yourself. You're the one running back and forth bringing new ideas which supposedly substantiate your God. That can only mean one thing, this God is not talking to you. Grow up and embrace the mystery.

BraveGuy: But, Jesus wasn't allegorical, He cited a similar case in history - Jonah in the belly of the fish - 3 days and 3 nights. That was all. So, it wasn't 3000years.

Nice thinking though.

How do you know that Jonah didn't stay in the belly of the fish for 3000 years? Is the 3 day duration more palatable? When do we know whether a day is 24 hrs or 1000 years?

^^^So when Jesus promised to raise himself from the grave after 3 days, was he talking about 3000 years? Are you aware of the effects that entheogens have on the perception of time?

BraveGuy: A manifestation of Atheist Disease.


Each time your reasoning and arguments are defeated, instead of acknowledging it, you twist and turn and start from old starting place, circular questioning with no idea of where he's going.

Look at him, he so assured of himself that he is certain that I don't have a relationship with the Almighty God. No, don't believe anything, even when all your questions have been answered and your arguments refuted.





So, it doesn't say? You didn't read that from the Oldest Book of the Bible? How many scientists/astronomers existed when that statement was written in the Bible?

I'm sorry brother. You know that I'm right. I just didn't want to be the one breaking it to you.

Braveguy, you're not addressing your claim. The evidence you presented does not address your primary claim which is that the creator of the universe had a chat with Jewish people. Reality suggests that their relationship with Yahweh was exactly as yours. I know you're not talking to any creator. So why should I believe that they were? Let's assume that the bible does say, for example, that the earth is round. How does that address the claim about having a chat with the creator?

plaetton: Consciousness, scientifically speaking, is field of quantized bits interaction. Interactions of energy. In other words, when energy interacts, a quanta of consciousness is created.
Understanding this can enable us understand all natural and supernatural phenomena in the universe.

You're absolutely right. Except we are constantly being bombarded by different types of energy at any given moment. The most important are the photons that reflect off the retina. Coincidentally, the pineal gland, the source of mammalian DMT, also has its own retina, complete with cones and rods! Why is a retina buried deep within the human skull? The only logical explanation is that we can access photons without the eyes. But only if we manage to eliminate the other types of energies from our awareness. That's where the entheogens come in. Or REM sleep.

My question to Braveguy is, why is he here bothering himself if as he says, he's in contact with the creator of the universe?

emtimes: alright the space do concerns us but not in religious way, God is not trying to teach us what we can do with the space all he did in the bible was to show us he is the supreme God and draw us back to him i think thats why has to tell us breifly on his creation days.

Keep believing in God my brother, you need him,... or something. Just one question before I leave you alone, if God is everywhere, then why is he drawing us back? Had we drifted off to somewhere he's not?

kovak: Two wrongs cannot make a right.

You sound like Bill O'Reilly.

emtimes: God might have not mention space cause it didnt concern us

It concerns aircraft and satellites. Did you not watch Brazil 2014 from somewhere other than Brazil? Isn't Emmanuel TV broadcast over the airwaves using satellite relays, and helping to win souls for Christ in the process? What are you saying?

The universe is merely a product of normal human consciousness. The more important question becomes, what the hell is consciousness and where did it come from? We are being driven away from this answer by the myths of religion. Inquiry into this field has been halted for the last 2000 years, because the majority of people have their holy books with the answers.

malvisguy212: that's the point am talking about, you don't know what is happening to the dead right now, nether do I, am not gonna take the risk, it better to believe than take this risk you are taking, if you are wrong , no God, I will be ok, if there is God, you would'nt be ok.

Dude, your confusion is beyond belief. Is your God not reading this comment you typed here? SMH.

Once again, I'm the one who doesn't know what happens when we die. But you're not like me. The bible clearly describes the afterlife, unlike the Torah, btw. You believe the bible, you've even spoken with Jesus on occasions. So you know. I haven't spoken to anyone, otherwise I wouldn't be here on NL bashing you guys. Actually, if I were to speak to Jesus or God, I wouldn't be here arguing with atheists. I would ask him why he's not speaking to them like he is to me. His answer will make sense to all of us, atheists included. The religion section will shut down overnight.

Vikky014: Weah pls do you hav a spirit?If ur answer is Yes,Den there is God,

OK. Which one? Allah?

BraveGuy: Here is proof that she (Akiane Kramarik) was the painter!

It is one hour, fast-forward video; actual video may have lasted several hours or days, who knows, see her start with a BLANK canvas and paint a beautiful piece.

So if she painted it, then it means that her mother was not complicit in the scheme. Is that your argument? I've already told you about the endogenous occurrence of DMT in the human body. Maybe you should read the stories of some research participants.

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/dmt.html