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Clean2016:
Find out, no single rape took place,
The girl just went to police to report and they took it up.
When you move abroad, don't ever let any girl come near you oh. Ordinary greetings is enough. If they knock your door. Answer them at the door and that's all.

Holding a girl can be called rape in UK

Dey play!
You think they just convict based on word of mouth?
Read the story well.
She called police immediately she escaped his house - meaning it would be possible to find is DNA and semen inside her in time. There was certainly an intercourse - the police will make sure to establish that. And she is 17 - rape!
UK don't joke with minors, elderly and disabled - those 3 people have more rights than any normal human being.

manuelkel:
You might making some sense, what if he is innocent? He might be innocent.

Even if she says with her mouth that it was consensual, her testimony won't hold waters because she's a minor (17). That's statutory rape. He can never be innocent!

Enough lonely matured African girls dey UK dey find FWB.

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't believe the Bible it's OK but the title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING there is no way anyone could claim he or she is worshiping God without standing with His worshipers to take your own position among them.
So if you don't assemble with others for worship whatever you are doing indoor is self worship meaning you are worshiping you own self!😟

You need to know there's a clear distinction between your "relationship with God" and "relationship with God's people" Those are two very different things.

You also need to know that "church" doesn't mean a corporate organisation or institution or denomination. Church is simply a gathering. Where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name. That could be you and your immediate or extended family, neighbours, colleagues, friends, etc. So far you agree.
"Church" also doesn't mean your meetings must be every Sunday or 3 times weekly. You guys will agree on frequency, and with new members you revise your agreements to meet everyone's needs.
But when a set of people set up rules for you as a standard for you to worship YOUR GOD, from the same bible you read - that is control (religion) not spirituality.

Going to church is not synonymous with having good relationship with God.

The praise of men doesn't mean God is proud of you.

Advanced science.

But seriously now, the practice involves hexing or hypnotizing someone to make them act your script. It involves creating fear and guilt through illusions and deviations from reality. The victim falls for the con and destroy their own spiritual defences. Then the witch is free to cause harm.

A witch needs your permission to harm you.

Gone are the days of NANS. What we have now is just a bunch of hungry clowns.

She will be sentenced again to the same jail time already served. Simple! She will walk out the same day.
But smart prosecutors will ensure to add up other charges to the actual murder. In which case, if guilty, judge can give a suspended sentence, probation period, community service, etc. Just to ensure she doesn't commit any other crimes after that.

Apply the same yardstick for someone who holds bitterness, malice, lies, envy, self-pity, etc. and see if there would be anyone left serving in church.

Sin is sin, everyone is a sinner. That is what Jesus came to make us understand. Not us practising self-righteousness by thinking sexual impurity is the only "bad sin". Every sin is equally bad.

No book has any power more than you give to it. The same way no statue has power until you pour sacrifice on it.
Your story would have had some credibility if he actually read the book. But no. He just left it and travelled. So the book that appeared to him in PH, was he the only one that saw it? Did he throw it away? Why didn't his family see the book??
Besides that book is sold openly in many bookstores in UK and US, you can even order one from Amazon.

It's not even reading the book itself that makes one mad. It's a rumour that has been carried for years.

Still needs a donor egg. Meaning a fertile woman is still involved.

DeLaRue:
'... from the new members class, I graduated from The Redeemed Christian Bible College, also School of Disciples to become a worker, then a Deaconess and later an Assistant Pastor in 2018'

According to you, someone that went to bible college, and attended School of Disciples, then became a deaconess, and assistant pastor, is not fit to be a pastor

Majority of pastors in Nigeria today have not even stepped foot in a bible college, yet this woman did, yet you still find fault.

That shouldn't automatically qualify her to hold the position of a pastor. A pastor is technically a shepherd, you don't just appoint people who can't be an example to that position.
As a pastor you're a role model to younger people. Your personal life matters. She's married to a Muslim and ordained a pastor. What example will she portray for what a Christian home should be like??
Based on this alone RCCG has lost the moral ground to insist young members must marry (born again) Christians, or refuse to bless a marriage where a member marries an unbeliever. RCCG is simply saying the religion of your spouse means nothing - marry anybody - even babalawo.

Summary: we will soon legalise prostitution.

The first problem is when you abandon your own priesthood and reject God's direct fellowship. You start looking up to middlemen (pastors) between you and God. They will charge their agency fees - and it's called Tithe.

samwash:
Why do witches & Wizards, Marine powers and occultic people organise their assembly at night to carry out their evil assignment, which do manifest during the day.
This is a battle of two world.

It's a misconception that you must be praying at the very same time evil attacks happen. Bible didn't say that.
Unless the Holy Spirit stirs you up to pray at any certain time - it doesn't matter when you pray. You have the liberty to form your own prayer routine that works for you.

You'll be enjoying your sleep at night and that evil arrow will go back to the sender.

But as your faith is, so shall it be unto you.

Pray anytime you feel like, as you're led.

Morale of the story:
APC is vomit. And only a madman will return to the toxic thing his body threw up earlier.

Sleep is indeed a blessing and a gift. If you're a deep sleeper be grateful.

Will your father kill your son (his grandson) because you chose a different career path rather than stay on the family business??
"If you who are evil knows how to give good gifts to your children, how much more your father who is in heaven"

Science

Astronomy - the universe is a big wonder. No way it's an accident.
Biology - DNA is a program that every living thing follows its own. The odds of that happening by chance is less than one in a billion for an organism as simple as a virus. How much more a human with consciousness.

samuelson06:
My brother, WeirdAlien



Your problem is lack of understanding and that's making you act as an extremist. And it's not even like your argument is superior. As much as worshipping God in spirit and in truth is paramount, God's people will still gather and you don't expect them to gather in open spaces or shade. No one is asking for your money. Keep your money brother but God's people would still build churches. It's one thing whether they worship according to the Bible and another thing where they worship. However, both are important. That's a fact and you can't change it.



I'm not ignorant of the fact that some ministers abuse giving and demand more than what should be. However, we all should know that giving is voluntary. Meanwhile, there are people in some churches that have given their lives to giving or rising up for the things of God whenever you call on them. They don't complain. Would you also say these sort of people are forced to give? No! They give based on conviction. By the way, if they call for a specific type of giving and you don't have, no one will beat or force you to give. So what's your complaint? If they give you envelope for offering and you don't have, return the envelope. No one's going to beat you. Giving is purely based on your strength and conviction. Forget the number of times they call for it or the nature. Only do what you can. God knows that's the best you can do.



Focus on God. No need feeling bad or ashamed. No need comparing yourself with others. Do only what you can. God is aware. Of course, Pastors care because they can't force the money out of your pocket. Work with what you know about giving according to God's Word, and not necessarily about what the Pastor wants you to give for. If what they say makes sense to you, rise for it, else ignore. God won't condemn you because of that. Stop this argument or excuse about Pastors calling for different types of giving. They are not imposing them on you.



Why do you wear clothes and look nice? Can't you still make heaven even if you walk naked? No one says you'll take the building to heaven. But many have given their lives to Christ as a result of coming into that building. Many are now helping convert others as a result of coming into that building. That building you are condemning has house many homeless people, especially when they were facing crisis. Many of our ministers and church workers stay in that building. So what exactly are you saying?



5. When the Spirit of God moves in any gathering. You won't remember if you're in a cathedral or under a cashew tree. That joy and peace, healing and blessings you received will follow you everywhere you go.

I'm not saying church building is a bad thing. But it shouldn't put financial burden on members to construct and maintain. In fact it's not important.
And note how I've quoted scriptures to support my points. You haven't done that - you're just arguing.

It's immaterial whether it's important to you or not. As long as it's important to the people that pool their resources toward the construction, that's okay. Feel free to setup your own church in a shade or under a cashew tree. People would still come. God's power would still move. Allow those that prefer going to nice places of worship to do so. You talked about quoting scriptures. That's not necessary. I'm not writing a book. I'm a Christian and I know God's Word to talk about it without quoting scriptures.

I will not argue against anything you have said here, because you have not quoted any scripture to validate your points. They're simply your opinions and hold no waters.

samuelson06:
I wish we could meet physically to talk more about these issues. Do you think if Jesus was born in this civilization He won't approve fine buildings and technology in God's work? Mind you, some of the structures raised by people of the Bible is still standing till today. Go to Greece and other places and you'll find them. What's that telling you? Quality and beauty!

On the issue of giving in the church, it's purely voluntary in most cases based on convictions in Christ that's working for the giver. So you can't stop them from giving. It's wrong not to give room for taking offering in the church. I don't know how some of you want the church to be. If you go to the fine churches, won't you enjoy sitting there? Haven't you heard of the church Solomon built for God? Mind you, no church in this world today have spent close to what Solomon spent. It was magnificent—7 years work with plenty of laborers. Figure that.

Listen to me: the buildings may not be the most important in the body of Christ, but it's needful. If you can't contribute to building the church, do evangelism. Just do what you can as long as your effort contributes to lifting the entire body.

1. Jesus would be more interested in beautiful hearts and purity than buildings that will be destroyed when this world ends. Your are now God's temple. (1 Cor 3:16). Jesus told the woman , who referenced the temple in Jerusalem as where to worship, that the time has come when people will worship God in Spirit and in truth (John 4:19-24). That is your cue that the era of architectural buildings had ended.

2. I'm giving examples of what giving in church should be like. You don't have to remind people every Sunday to give multiple offerings (tithes, love offering, building offering, Thanksgiving offering, special offering, etc etc). This happens because the church is biting more than what it can chew - exotic buildings and equipment that require a lot of money to maintain, so you have to keep reminding people to give money to fund these avoidable expenses.

3. The way we collect offerings in Nigerian churches will make you to want to drop something even if it's grudgingly, because you either feel guilty about dropping an empty envelope, or feel ashamed of remaining on your seat while others are dancing forward. Either way Pastors don't care as long as you drop something.

4. Acts 7:47-49 says Solomon built a temple for Him, but God doesn't dwell in temples made by humans. So it's all vanity. In fact Solomon's temple was destroyed (God allowed it) and the one built as replacement was also destroyed and replaced by a mosque! (God also allowed that). If God allowed the most beautiful temple ever to be destroyed , it's your sign that He cares not about material things. You're just suffering yourselves to do works He didn't send you to do.

5. When the Spirit of God moves in any gathering. You won't remember if you're in a cathedral or under a cashew tree. That joy and peace, healing and blessings you received will follow you everywhere you go.

I'm not saying church building is a bad thing. But it shouldn't put financial burden on members to construct and maintain. In fact it's not important.
And note how I've quoted scriptures to support my points. You haven't done that - you're just arguing.

gohf:
let me show you how, do you believe that Satan was the first worshipper or the choir leader in heaven and that those men of cloth are right to use it as warning to choristers, even some claim it's not a ministry or it's a place Satan likes to dwell and the like of that talk

But none of it is online with scripture nor God's revelation


Jesus said God seeks those who worship Him in spirit and in truth and he also said we shall worship only God and none other.

I believe one who worships God will all their heart won't one day desire to be worshipped and exalt themselves as a god

You have a point there. Now I see the reason for the topic.

samuelson06:
You may not find God or build a relationship with Him in church as you claim. However, the Bible says do not forsake the gathering of the brethren. Were you expecting they gather under a shade? Or some dilapidated structure? Stop this argument, sir. As much as important to build people, it's also important to build the church. You don't expect people go stay in a dirty place of worship.

Fancy buildings, large auditoriums, etc. God doesn't care about all that. Jesus preached everywhere - street, shore, boats, people's homes - He didn't limit Himself to the temple. And everywhere people were blessed spiritually, with food, and healings.
In fact the Bible repeatedly says "God does not dwell in temples made with human hands" (Isaiah 66:1, Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24). The early church of the Apostles had no buildings - they mostly met in homes. Until 300 years later when the Romans hijacked the church.

UK as an example, churches don't stress themselves for buildings again (apart from Anglican and catholic buildings that have been there for centuries). They simply look for events halls in schools, hotels, etc. In fact some of them use different venues every week/month. Most use the sound system of the hall and maybe bring a few tweaks, and most musical instruments are personally owned - you bring your guitar or sax to add to the music if you own one. Nothing like "contribute money for new amplifier or Korg Piano" or "we need money to redecorate the altar". No materialism. Yet no hypocrisy or pretense. Many churches don't even collect ANY offering, if you want to give the website is there 24/7 - they don't even announce it. If you receive true gospel no one will cajole you to bring money, it will come from within. Calm atmosphere where people will reach out to you because they sincerely care for you.

Jesus said "my yoke is easy and my burden is light". But naija churches will place additional load and burden on your head. You're simply serving human desires rather than God.

No one knows precisely. Simple answer!

And I don't see how the answer to that question impacts your faith or living with a pure heart.

Even Peter argued with Jesus - when he refused for Jesus to wash his feet at first. Noah argued with God and went the opposite direction. Jacob fought an angel one-on-one.
That's being human.

Which one is you never argued with your wife. Or did you mean "hot arguments" or "quarrels" or "shouting matches"
Even if you married an angel or you're one yourself, you must have differences.

Truthseeker10:
If that is the case, how was Adam and Eve suppose to accomplish the admonition in Genesis 1:28?

Does that also mean that God wanted Adam and Eve to sin in order to multiply?

Maybe they're supposed to procreate by cloning. Lol.
The anatomy of both the male and female organs strongly suggests that they are meant to work together for sexual reproduction. Male and female He created them - that says a lot.

No one can claim to know what exactly happened in most of Genesis before the time of Abraham. People will only say their own theories.

samuelson06:
You are the one confusing yourself. What's the church without Christ? If I say church works, it simply means Jesus Christ works. No one will contribute a substantial amount to the building of any church without having a strong faith in Jesus. Have you seen anyone coming to the public to regret about their contribution towards church building project? That's because they believe in the blessings that their involvement in the church will or have brought to their life. What else do you want to say?

"These people honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me - Matt 15:8" Yes there is church without Christ, even if of God/Christ is in the church's name.

Non-christian politicians donate heavily to church every time to buy people's conscience. Without any faith in Jesus whatsoever.

People won't come public to say they regret giving money to church building, because they've been brainwashed to believe giving to church means giving to God.

Obviously you've been conditioned to think church is the place where you find God, or build a relationship with Him.

That is true leadership.
I know a pastor who handed over his church to the members (who decided on their own leaders) and relocated elsewhere to grow another church. All within Nigeria. This is an apostolic example.