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Rumors were seldom of any concern to Haviland Tuf. For one thing, he seldom heard any. Tuf was not averse to acting the tourist on most of the worlds he visited, but even when he was mingling with others in public places he remained somehow apart and unapproachable. His chalk-white skin and utterly hairless face and body usually made him conspicuous among the peoples of the planets on which he plied his trade, and even on those infrequent occasions when his complexion might have allowed him to pass, his size made him stand out. Thus, though people might stare at Tuf and talk of him everywhere he went, few of them talked to him unless they had business to transact.
Given his nature, then, it was hardly remarkable that Haviland Tuf had never heard of the man called Moses until the evening that he and Dax were assaulted by Jaime Kreen in a restaurant on K’theddion.
It was a small shabby place just off the spaceport. Tuf had finished a plate of smokeroots and neograss and was relaxing with his third liter of mushroom wine when abruptly Dax raised his head from the table. Tuf shook a bit, slopping some wine on his sleeve, and ducked his head quickly to one side, barely far enough so that the bottle Kreen was wielding smashed open against the back of Tuf’s chair instead of the back of Tuf’s skull.
Glass exploded, and the liquid within—a smelly local liquor—went everywhere, soaking the chair, the table, the cat, and both men. Jaime Kreen, a thin blond youth with drunken blue eyes, stood blinking stupidly, holding the broken bottle in a bleeding fist.
Haviland Tuf rose ponderously to his feet, his long white face singularly impassive. He glanced at his assailant, blinked, and then reached down to pick up Dax, who was wet and unhappy. “Can you fathom this, Dax?” he said in a deep bass. “We have here a mystery, albeit an inconvenient one. Why does this odd stranger attack us, I wonder? Do you have any ideas?” He stroked Dax slowly as he cradled him in his arms, and only when the cat began to purr did he look at Jaime Kreen again. “Sir,” he said. “It might be wise of you to release the fragments of that bottle. It appears to me that your hand is full of glass and blood and that particularly noxious brew, and I have severe doubts that the combination will enhance your health.”
The stricken Kreen seemed to come alive. His thin lips drew back in anger, and he flung the bottle away from him. “Are you mocking me, criminal?” he said in a slurred, dangerous voice.
“Sir,” said Haviland Tuf. The restaurant had grown very still: the other patrons were quiet and staring, and the proprietor had vanished. Tuf’s deep voice could be heard in every corner of the room. “I would venture that the title ‘criminal’ as more applicable to you than to myself, but perhaps that is not to the point. No, I am not mocking you. You appear to be upset. Under such conditions it would be folly to mock you, and I am not given to folly.” He placed Dax back on the table and scratched the tomcat behind the ear.
“You are mocking me,” Jaime Kreen said. “I’ll hurt you!”
Haviland Tuf betrayed no emotion. “You will not, sir, although I believe you are thinking of attacking me once again. I do not approve of violence. However, your boorish behavior leaves me with little choice.” So saying, he stepped forward quickly, and lifted Jaime Kreen high off the floor before the younger man could react. Then, carefully, he broke both of his arms.

Kreen emerged pale and blinking from the tomblike dark of Kytheddene Prison into the bright street. His arms were in slings. He looked baffled and tired.
Haviland Tuf stood by the curbside, cradling Dax in one arm and petting him with the other. He looked up when Kreen came forth. “Your mood appears to have quieted somewhat,” Tuf commented. “Moreover, you are now sober.”
“You!” Kreen looked more baffled than ever; his face was so screwed up that it threatened to collapse in upon itself. “Do I understand that you bought my freedom?”
“You raise an interesting point,” Haviland Tuf said. “I did indeed pay a certain sum—two hundred standards, actually, if we want to be precise—and upon that payment you were handed over to me. Yet it is incorrect to say that I bought your freedom. The crux of the matter is that you are not free. Under Kytheddene law, you belong to me, a bound servant whom I may work as I see fit until such time as you have discharged your debt.”
“Debt?”
“I calculate it as follows,” said Haviland Tuf. “Two hundred standards for the sum I paid to the local authorities in order to bask in your presence. One hundred standards for my suit, which was genuine Lambereen cotton, and which you quite ruined. Forty standards for the damage to the eatery, which damages I paid in order to settle the proprietor’s claims against you. Seven standards for the delightful mushroom wine that you gave me no opportunity to drink. Mushroom wine is a noted specialty of K’theddion, and that was a particularly choice vintage. These total some three hundred forty-seven standards in actual damages. Furthermore, your unprovoked assault made Dax and myself the center of a highly unpleasant scene, and much disturbed our tranquility. For that I am assessing you an additional fifty-three standards, which is a generously low sum, to bring your total to an even four hundred standards.”
Jaime Kreen chuckled maliciously. “You’ll have a hard time getting even a tenth of that out of me, animal-seller,” he said. “I have no funds, and I won’t be good for much in the way of work. My arms are broken, you know.”
“Sir,” said Haviland Tuf. “If you had any significant funds of your own, you could have paid your own fines, in which case my assistance would not have been necessary. And since I myself broke your arms, I am aware of that condition as well. Kindly do not belabor the obvious with statements that convey no meaningful information. Despite your handicaps, I intend to take you with me back to my ship, and work you until your obligation has been discharged. Come.”
Haviland Tuf turned and took two steps down the street. When Kreen made no move to follow, Tuf stopped and turned back to him. Kreen smiled. “If you want me anywhere, you can carry me,” he said.
Tuf stroked Dax dispassionately. “I have no intention of carrying you,” he said in even tones. “You forced me to touch you once, and that experience was sufficiently unpleasant that I have no intention of repeating it. If you decline to follow me, I will return to the authorities and hire two guards to take you bodily where I wish you to be. Their wages will be tallied to your debt. The choice is yours.” Tuf turned again and moved off toward the spaceport.
Jaime Kreen, suddenly docile, followed behind, muttering under his breath.

folaski:
what are you talking about?

FOLYKAZE:
Pls eat this:

If atheism is disbelieve in supernatural being, do you believe in the existence of non-supernatural deity?

Do you also disbelieve in the existence of deified England kings with their supernatural royal touch attributed to them?

Do you disbelieve in the existence of Sacred kings and divine leaders?

johnydon22:
No understand his point.. those questions are derived from the abrahamic god concept, you cannot expect a traditional religionist or hindhu to answer that... gerrit now?
So the questions are for abrahamic theists e.g judaism, islam, christianity, momonism..

FOLYKAZE:
You acknowledge I am an atheist now?

And you too dumb to know the spiritual gives a new dimension to my stance?

FOLYKAZE:
Get for yourslef a bucket and fill it up with your tears.
I asked a simple question begging for answer and not childish tantrum of yours.
Well I shouldnt expect anything serious from some that cannot define nourishment.
Common call your brothers to define what god is. They could help you save a face.
What is god?

you: Atheists are indeed bunch of clowns.

you: Spiritual Atheism is the absence of belief in the existence of "God", defined as an entity external to the universe that created and rules the universe; but the presence of belief in the existence of "God", defined as the personification of the universe itself and everything therein.

FOLYKAZE:
Seem so but not actually.
You getting me wrong bro.
You agree with me that god has different meaning but like other atheists, you want to hold unto a meaning while others are dismissed.
I understand that atheists like I am do not believe in any supernatural being living in the sky. But we do understand that man is also a deity. Different culture in the world acknowledge this. Many religion concept acknowledge this. And note, this men are not just considered as god but they are worshipped as god. So will an atheist disbelieve in this god (define as influencial person)? This is the question ya all fail to answer.
Ya. Agentofallah defined god as a supernatural being. I asked, does he believe in deva, there is a no supernatural attributes to this buddhism deity. Yet, it is mythical. I ask you too, if god is supernatural being, do you believe in deva?
You have actually not define what god is.
What is god?
What concept do you disbelieve in?
Do you believe in other concepts?
I will provide you with basic answer. Fela is an influencial person. . . .and not gallery in a theatre.
You guys have refused to provide answer to my questions.
As an atheist, do you disbelieve in the existence of god (defined as influencial person)?
Spiritual Atheism is the absence of belief in the existence of "God", defined as an entity external to the universe that created and rules the universe; but the presence of belief in the existence of "God", defined as the personification of the universe itself and everything therein.
I dont have problem with god until when you define what you mean by god. I respect every individual view of things and choose to disbelieve in any of those definition that cannot be proven.
There is a shrine dedicated for Fela, he is been idolized. Rituals are perform in this shrine. Prayers are been said. And from him comes an ideology and philosophy. Will an atheist disbelieve in existence of fela (a deity)? This is the question you guys should provide answer to.
Imperial cult is very common in ancient days and still exist in some tradition. Persons are been worship as a deity. Will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of these deities (personalities)?
Nuclearboy here defined god as anything/anyone that has dominion and been worship. We all know about celebrity worship and worshipping of country and money. Does this mean atheists are practical religious person?
Plaetton is an atheist that believe energy is the eternal conscious creator. He believes in veneration of sun and the planets (I dont know if he practice this). He leans to spiritualism like Sam Harris but throwns out the idea of religion dogmatism. Meanwhile Sam and Plaetton are atheists.
My "spirituality" means feeling a connectedness with something outside of oneself, or feeling an appreciation and/or sense of awe for something outside of oneself. Note that traditional atheism does not make any attempt to define exactly what is meant by the term "God" or "Deity"; while spiritual atheism is very specific about it, making it a specialized and discretionary type of atheism. This reflects the different underlying philosophies — atheism actively rejects belief in all possible definitions of the term "God"; while spiritual atheism actively rejects belief in only one very specific definition of the term "God" which is super-personal being.
So the burden is on you guys to tell us which god or concept of god you disbelieve in.
Do you disbelieve in definition of god as influencial person?
Do you disbelieve god in pantheist concept?
Do you disbelieve god in spinoza concept?
These are the question begging for answer.

wiegraf:
I was just emphasizing that even if he did decipher it, the point's lost on him.

FOLYKAZE:
Atheism and god here is a english word. I think our discussion should be limit to english.

AgentOfAllah:
Haha... You got me chuckling a little beyond my threshold of dignity. Your sense of humour has more than made up for time wasted on some knotty-pated slob.

blueyedgeek:
"This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike
Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not
spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, (1 samuel 15 : 3)

Hmmmn, you are playing with your life. This God that we serve is a merciless, unforgiving God. He killed babies for far less, he will kill you if you don't go to church.

AgentOfAllah:
Why do you think I'm shady?

AgentOfAllah:
My bad for communicating what I thought was a brilliant pun badly. It was basically a play on the word "god" (good in Norwegian), with the idea that atheists don't believe in god.

AgentOfAllah:
He may not have committed to trolling, that doesn't make him any less a troll though. As I noted earlier, the dim wittedness is unmistakably troll-like.

musKeeto:
Love your sig. Hope ur cool bro.

musKeeto:
What an analogy..

AgentOfAllah:
FOLYKAZE is a pathological Mo.ron.

FOLYKAZE:
I dont understand your point.

FOLYKAZE:
I still dont get it.

AgentOfAllah:
If it makes you feel any better, I took the liberty to search if the same word exists in other languages and as it turns out, in Norwegian, good = god. Now, it will take an extremely persuasive argument to convince even the most pertinacious atheist that dogs can't be god!! I hope you feel god now?

DProDG:
I can't believe this thread just turned into a giant robot death-match.









Megas XLR dey look una oh.

oyb:
https://i.imgur.com/BQGvYe5.jpg

Jameselias:
answer my questions: is prayer the same as vodoo? Yes or no,

blym4real:
It's as potent as
regular prayer

wiki: Scientific studies regarding the use of prayer have mostly concentrated on its effect on the healing of sick or injured people. Meta-studies of the studies in this field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on 14 studies concluded that there is "no discernable effect" while a 2007 systemic review of studies on intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had "small, but significant, effect sizes" but the review noted that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings.[2][3] Some studies have indicated increased medical complications in groups receiving prayer over those without.[4][5] The efficacy of petition in prayer for physical healing to a deity has been evaluated in numerous other studies, with contradictory results.[6][7][8][9] There has been some criticism of the way the studies were conducted.[5][10]

blym4real:
If you believe in the efficacy of the voodoo, that confirms that their unseen deity is real.

blym4real:
but as an atheist you don't beleive in any God or gods or deity, but most africa voodoo has to do with the worship of some deity.

blym4real:
Are you an atheist?