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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/los-angeles-airport-screener-busted-making-threats-eve-9-11-anniversary-feds-article-1.1451921

nydailynews: Satan-obsessed former Los Angeles airport screener busted for making threats on eve of 9/11 anniversary

Nna Alpha Onuoha, 29, was collared late Tuesday and is being held on suspicion of making threats that cited the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. Onuoha is reportedly the TSA screener who made creepy comments to a teen about her clothing as she passed through LAX security in June.


A Satan-obsessed airport security screener who allegedly made creepy comments to a teen traveler in June is behind bars on suspicion of calling in threats to LAX and taping a menacing note inside his closet invoking the Sept. 11 anniversary, FBI officials said.

Nna Alpha Onuoha, 29, worked for the TSA for seven years but was recently suspended after Los Angeles high school student Sarina Frauenfelder accused him of making inappropriate comments about her apparel as she passed through security June 16, a well-placed source told the Daily News.

“You’re only 15, cover yourself,” Onuoha allegedly said, according to a blog post by Frauenfelder’s dad, the founder of the popular blog Boing Boing.

Onuoha, a Nigerian national who’s now a naturalized U.S. citizen, was disgruntled over the resulting disciplinary action and flipped out Tuesday with a series of threats against LAX, officials said.

He abruptly quit his job and left a package at his former office that was treated as suspicious and inspected by a police bomb squad.

Investigators found no explosives or harmful substances, but the parcel contained an 8-page letter in which Onuoha “expressed his thoughts about the incident that led to his suspension and disdain for the United States,” an FBI spokeswoman said in a statement.

A man believed to be Onuoha also called an LAX checkpoint and told a screener that he had visited certain terminals that day and that TSA officials should evacuate the airport starting with Terminal 2, an FBI agent wrote in an affidavit filed Wednesday with a criminal complaint.

According to the affidavit, the caller said he would be “watching” to see if the TSA did as he directed.


A man believed to be Onuoha later called the TSA manager listed on the package and said the terminals should be evacuated immediately because the TSA was running out of time.

Onuoha also called LAX police and said they should evacuate the airport because he was “going to deliver a message to America and the whole world," the FBI agent wrote in the affidavit.

The terminals in question were cleared without disrupting flights, and no threat to the airport was found.

Investigators with the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force scrambled to Onuoha’s residence in nearby Inglewood and found it empty other than a note taped inside a closet that read “09/11/2013 THERE WILL BE FIRE! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!” the FBI agent wrote.


Acting on a tip, investigators later found Onuoha in a van in the parking lot of Harvest Christian Fellowship Church in Riverside, a source told the News.

“There was no evidence of any explosives or weapons found in the investigation,” the source said.

Onuoha was cooperative and said in a post-arrest interview that the taped note meant he intended to start preaching in the streets on Sept. 11, 2013, the FBI said.

He claimed he did not intend his telephone statements to be threats and he had no plans to become violent, the FBI said.

Onuoha, a former National Guardsman who had been living in home for U.S. Veterans, has since been linked to a personal website, www.satanhasfallen.org, that includes rambling writing about evil spirits, Satan and the antichrist.

In one passage, Onuoha talks about his past struggles with pornography and prostitutes and his quest for “righteousness.”

He also called America a “great harlot” that corrupts “the innocent.”

Onuoha remained in custody Wednesday and had his initial detention hearing postponed to Monday.

He was charged with making the false threats against LAX and had his arraignment set for Oct. 1, officials said.

Xtians doubting the power of satan, do you need more proof? Don't tell me you actually think this a mere coincidence, and not a mighty sign from the great one?? Satan is winning, godly are being caught.


Also, don't forget to visit this xtian alfa's site

http://www.satanhasfallen.org/

alcuin: There is actually no compelling need trying convincing anyone. And that's not my purpose here.

I have shared my humble opinion.

Thanks.

And we're just pointing how your position is likely wrong. This matter is not all subjective, it can probably be determined objectively (especially the standard xtian claims). Kudos.

PasD: Anyways, what exactly is innocent? And let's not forget the innocent blood that will be spilled by yahweh, not just your 'innocent' fetuses.

@wiegraf. D above was ur statement.

Pls clear me on this. If u dnt mind sire

Good ser, I want him to clarify what his post means. I'm obviously confused as to what he means

italo: Even the innocent in the land will suffer for the innocent blood of unborn babies being shed in our country.

I've not even started on why an omnipotent would punish 'innocents'. Why he would do that when he omnipotently gave freewill, no one forced the omnipotent......not to mention he promises to punish offenders for eternity regardless, yet he feels the need to make the innocent suffer from here..

italo: The bold is sufficient for now. That makes your submission earlier that countries that legalized the killing of their youngest citizens "seem to be doing rather well" simply your personal opinion which doesnt necessarily mean anything to anyone else. Thanks.

There is no point discussing what I feel is better at this point.

There is every reason, I hope you can genuinely not recognize that. I hope this isn't a case of cowardice despite your claims of moral superiority. Stand up for your god. You claim things will be worse if we legalize abortion, not me, yet you fail to tell us how, don't try to escape.

Don't forget, my thesis is a people get the government they deserve. Tell me what you, black man making the claim, prioritize when voting. Give me an inlkling as to how you would operate if, satan forbid, you were ever anywhere near a position of power. To prove my thesis I would have to know what your 'better' is, yes? Prove me wrong, don't chiken out.

italo: It's simple. You have no evidence that innocent people in a country dont suffer for the kiling of their youngest compatriots.

The US and South Africa have very little restriction for abortion. They both have two of the highest crime rates (including murder) in the world.

Even if you just want to condemn God, wait until you have something sensible to say.

Let me clarify, again, YOU MADE THE CLAIM OF INNOCENTS DYING, NOT ME. YOU HAVE NOT, IN ANY WAY, BACKED UP THE CLAIM. YOU WANT ME TO DISPROVE SOMETHING YOU'VE NOT EVEN PROVEN YET??!! ACTUALLY, YOU'VE NOT EVEN EXPLAINED IT PROPERLY YET?!

This sounds familiar, no? Your typical nonsense..... I never proved I was right, but you can't prove me wrong therefore I am right.... I appreciate your general reticence, but I'm beginning to think it's because you're afraid the more you post, the more you'll get found out..

If US and SA is all you saw, while missing all those central africans, south american and asians, while blatantly ignoring western europe in particular, then well..... Not to mention you ignore the other indices; conflict zones and the HDI. So what is it? What is this suffering we, including our 'innocents', will endure? Is it just murder rates that's your concern?

And oga, why not toss out that 'my god is the one being persecuted' thingie? Granted, yahweh is one of the sillier concepts, but any god would do. Yahweh just happens to be the most popular around these parts. And, of course, his zombies go around mixing church and state just like you're doing right now, so you're going to get heat from those not deluded, what did you expect? We just concede?

italo: ^^^

1. What does it mean to say a country is doing "better" than the other?

I mean this

wiki: The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income indices used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. It was created by the Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq and the Indian economist Amartya Sen in 1990[1] and was published by the United Nations Development Programme.[2]

and all it entails.

But of course, it's subjective, so please tell me what you describe as 'better'?

italo: 2. Do you have any evidence that people dont suffer for the spilling of innocent blood that goes on in their countries (both those that legalize it and those that dont)?

I don't even know where to begin with this nonsense, no offense. Anyways, what exactly is innocent? And let's not forget the innocent blood that will be spilled by yahweh, not just your 'innocent' fetuses.

As for 'spilling blood', I can at least show you crime rates and conflicts

Conflict
https://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17g9hi4f6ep3vjpg/ku-bigpic.jpg

Murder
[img]http://4.bp..com/-sdQGJ0Qgo78/To9y0nJ1kLI/AAAAAAAAALI/z_ZCxBjqAQw/s1600/Murder-rates-in-countries-across-the-world.gif[/img]

I have better numbers, but will have to come back with those. No time atm

aManFromMars: ^^^^^
In so doing, they make God a slave of his attributes without realizing it.

Exactly...

rationalmind: Something just occurred to me, don't know if I'm wrong. If God doesn't know the actual choices we will make, doesn't that mean he isn't omnipotent? That is, he doesn't have the power to know all things.

I personally just usually ignore this, not sure why, but that is correct so long as you use the standard definition of the word. Maybe I ignore it because anyone of them capable of thinking usually redefines the word, ie omnipotent in particular, to mean something else. (one guy changes the word omniscient to 'all knowing' and his all-knowing is even more nonsensical than @alcuin's version of 'omniscience', so what's the point? the stuff they come up with...)

On a random note, regardless, with most of the definitions I come across they fall into a 'can he build a rock he cannot lift?' problems. You don't have to go far to find them, just as you've demonstrated with omniscience. Simpler problem for instance is omnipresence, can he be absent if he wants to? If he can and does so, he isn't omnipresent much, yes? Can he wipe his memory? Basically, can he be fallible? There are various sorts of problems with the omnixx.x bundle, but at the moment I cannot concentrate so can't put them down.

That's why I want him to clarify if he thinks god is subject to the laws of logic, is god natural? If he does then he's probably doing it wrong, as all these terms are usually nonsense impossibilities. If he doesn't then he's wasting all of our time, including his.

One of the more amusing results of their babble, for the asinine 'holier than thou' crowd, when they claim "good cannot exist without god" simply ask what if god dies? The best response I've ever gotten is 'that's a foolish question!'. What sort of omnipotent cannot die if he wants to?? They simply lalalalalala away the fact that 'god' must be subject to logic, not the other way round.

@italo

Here we have the an overview of the legal status of abortion circa 2009

[img]http://geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/abortion_laws_world_map.gif[/img]

Here are newer interactive versions

Here's the HDI for 2010

[img]http://1.bp..com/-wKOfWllJHJ0/UDtAlAoYKFI/AAAAAAAABGM/k7ALHr6GM7Q/s1600/human_development_index_around_the_world.jpg[/img]

Adjusted HDI for 2012

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index.png

Guess the labeling?

So, what's yahweh waiting for? Shouldn't he spilling the blood of innocents? What am I missing, as the countries that legalize abortion seem to be doing rather well. Actually it seems like, on average, they are doing much better than those that don't.


Randomnesses;

italo: Sorry o. Oga white man.

Let me expantiate oh just to confirm you understand my position clearly oga lol. We are so foo.lish other species, like say chimps, in parks managed and patronized exclusively by black man are probably reasoning out similarly to you. They are likely wondering why is it Chimp-weh, who made them, his especially loved children, in his image, and this whole universe to serve as their playground, allowed such a vacuous group as the black man gain the upperhand on this rock.

They would dream up a lot of reasons, likely spiritual babble, eg they prayed to the wrong god, didn't pay enough tithes, have too much ghey s.ex, etc etc, wronged some god(s) another way or the other. However, the answer would be a simple, natural one. One they did not deduce because they were ignorant (not their fault) and/or, more importantly, foo.lishly looking in the wrong places (their fault). In fact, it would actually be a false dilemma as they were not 'colonized' by the black man, that's silly; it was the oyinbo. Black man just watched and prayed. Or did jazz.

The saying is a people usually get the government they deserve.

Also, where did I say I was oyinbo?

alcuin: The focus of this thread is, in my opinion, to reconcile man's Freewill and God's Omniscience which I have tried to explain in my humble opinion, with all logic and without quoting scriptures. Let's stick to that.

I believe the purpose of this thread was to address omniscience, and the dictionary meaning of the word is

google: omniscience
Web definitions

the state of being omniscient; having infinite knowledge
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=omniscience

Which is what most of you xtians use in your claims, not what you propose. Not at all. If you intend address the op, then you should have just said no, god does not have infinite knowledge, as that is what you're trying to say, yes?

However, you have another definition for omniscience, which you propose, and you complain when it's challenged? You are already talking about something else. If you want to be pedantic, you should open a thread to discuss your version of 'omniscience' as that's what you want to propose, not switch then whine when challenged.

Moving on, to be clear, do you believe your god is capable of the logically absurd, eg the genuinely supernatural?

oweniwe: na wa o

What you're asking . . Is akin to a gate man of a company asking such questions about the company Owner's personal life issues . . .

Or a child that want to see his father's manhood. .
.

A mortal man that won't live beyond a hundred years pointing fingers at the universe that have been in existence for billions years and asking questions about God's future . . .

If the chick wakes up one day and decides to fly like an eagle. . .

If you run mad tomorrow . . . Who shall we blame ? ? ?

In other words, mysteriousnesseses? Can you try not to waste our time with that?

@ Ajibel

Like capcom vs marvel, kingdom hearts, Super Robot Taisen, SMT, etc etc etc I believe what's standard is to create an original story using original xters, but then having xters from the various crossovered universes involved one way or the other. Usually they are presented with backstory, etc, so one could learn their origins.

SMT series in particular deals with folklore etc, using myths from all across the globe except for.......african..

Anyways, there are many ways to combo it, eg, have the thunder gods amahodia and sango as one faction, iron gods elsewhere, etc etc.

And the vote is a lovely idea.

One silly option to toss into the hat. We could have gods from various pantheons competing for whatever it might be, that way some people may not feel left out. Imagine (im)mortal kombat between Amadohia and Sango? When the tribalists are tired of hurling vitriol at each other they could then settle their issues like civilized human beings; using a game.

Some people are plenty sensitive though.

Anyways note, it need not be a fighter, just that various factions are competing. And of course, they could cooperate as well

alcuin: To be honest, I don't understand the above. Can you make it clearer?



I gave you in my post. Well, it is in summary; No, God does not know. What ever happens to you is based on your choices and their consequences before the laws.



Your opinion, I respect that.

Well, our choice of words. Omniscience, in the actual sense, means knowing the possible outcomes of anything and making adequate provisions for it. When God created man, He knew that there is a possibility of man falling to sin, so He made provisions for his salvation. But He doesn't know the actuality for man falling or not. Assuming, man did not fall, then the provision for salvation wouldn't have been activated, although it is still there. Even, if man rejects the provision for salvation, God has also made provision for that. In fact, God knows that it is possible for that to happen. So, there are plans beforehand. That is the whole essence of Omniscience.

Look at it, in a different way. God knows where each choice a man takes will lead, and God knows what can save him in any case, and God also knows what will happen to him if he rejects salvation. God also knows what the implications of that possibilty is, and has made provision, from the beginning of existence, for that. In fact, man can not take God unawares by his actions. BUT, the exact choice or path, that man takes is up to him. In fact, there is no need for God to bother Himself to know, He has made all provision sufficient in all case, both known and unknown.
What man experiences is just solely the result of his choices.

Think deeply on my post. You will understand the concept of Omniscience clearer and resolve with the freewill that man possesses.

Thanks....

You may be missing my point. Omniscience, even as you describe it here, is impossible. With that you've ventured into the supernatural, and once you do that there's no need to justify anything logically. Just pull the supernatural card and voila, you're done.

Consider uncertainty, chaos and the inordinate (perhaps infinite) amount of possibilities involved, and you can see how collecting/accounting for that data becomes impossible.

Btw, does god know all his own possible futures as well?

And do you accept that this universe is not deterministic? If you think it's deterministic, then does the omnipotent god not have the ability to determine the future? Is that a task beyond him?

Reyginus: Exactly so. But on a serious note, you didn't help the argument

Just as alfa has never stated he's an atheist. Ok

Jivi: I respect your analysis and opinion and I think you are right from your point of view. However, from my point of view, I want you to know that Next Gen is not close to unrealistic. It is infact very realistic and also, we are not competing with AAA title. They simply should not exist in our mind. We are just going to do our thing and we would do our very best and be the very best we can be. There is a common saying "Shoot to the moon, If you miss, you land among the stars". The next gen of today will be the games of tomorrow and that is why we cannot afford to aim low, otherwise, we would remain behind while the world moves forward.
I think its high time we caught up and trust me its not as difficult as you may think. We just need a team of people with diverse talents, (not necessarily geniuses), the combination of which makes for genius level work.
The Custom game engine I am proposing supports recent rendering techniques and has Nvidia PhysX engine integrated like any other game engine and new features can easily be built in for a period of three years running. We can add the latest hardware enabled techniques as they come rather than waiting for an established engine to make the change if they ever make it or trying to master the huge code base which definitely takes time in order to make such a change. Also, I wrote the engine and since I am part of the team. They get first hand knowledge if they run into problems and I think that is a very big advantage to using such an engine. Also, new features requested by the team can easily be added on time. However, I am opened to people's suggestion concerning the game engine.
We are building for PCs (Windows, Mac and Linux) only and not consoles(PS4 etc) or mobile. Also, we are only targeting next gen graphics hardware, (naija or not). We cant limit ourselves on that basis. Like I said, we have to move forward.
Experience does not matter in this context. This a three year project with training involved at least on the programming side for now. In a year time at most, the lack of experience would be a thing of the past at least for those that are going to be actively involved in the project.

A question if I may, is demonstrating raw technical prowess, not just say world building, novel gameplay mechanics, etc, important to you? Is that one of the reasons you'd rather use an in-house engine as well?

It's a lovely initiative btw, hope it's successful

Reyginus: Not really. I only marvel at your guts.

It's worse than I thought..

alcuin: It's funny how many professed Christians who sincerely believe they know everything keep on perambulating about the question. A very simple question, I must say but it smacks at the very root of religions and atheism. While I do not profess to know it all, I believe I can air my opinion in this case.

Fact 1: Man has Freewill. Depending on his choice of action, he is subject to the consequences, whether pleasurable or not. The World rests on a system of laws that always make it so. That's just the way it is. The concepts of good and evil are relative. In the universal sense, it is just action and reaction. Only man ascribes what we refer as good or otherwise to it.

Fact 2: God is Omniscient. Omniscience does not mean all-knowing as it is conventionally believed. So, God does not know, as a matter of certainty if you will go to hell or not. By Omniscience, it means no matter what develops out of Creation, no matter of choice you make as an individual, it has already been anticipated and a provision has been designed for it. So, Omniscience of God lies in his providence in all known and unknown, all existent and non existent probability. He has made provisions for that. It is His Creation, so He knows all possibilities. BUT, the exact choice that a man follows, is solely dependent on himself and God does not know what it will be and, in any case, He has also made provision for that.

The implication of this is that, God is impersonal. He doesn't disturb himself with your individual choices, failures, beliefs etc. The system of laws He design for Creation takes care of all that to the finest detail.

Before you ask, remember that all human knowledge or inventions cannot account for 0.1% of the possibilities inherent in Creation Itself, as designed by God. All these possibilities are known to Him alone and He has made provision should any case, mankind in general or man as an individual, tour the path of any.

GOD ALONE IS WISE.

Thanks.....never meant it to be a long post. Sorry.

To the bold, I'll have to ask, as your answer I find insufficient. Your definition of omniscience remains impossible, even conceptually. The only way you could explain it away would be to invoke logical absurdities, or the supernatural. Once you do that, anything goes. Therefore this solution remains just as valid as all the other impossibilities mentioned in this thread, which is isn't much.

You've basically just said 'mysteriousnesseses', but in a prettier way.

Random thoughts.

Next gen is unrealistic, in as much as competing with anything that looks remotely like an AAA title is concerned. At best, making/targeting the indie scene is a better option. Note how most indies are; short, low budget. What makes them standout usually is they come armed with a lot of heart and sometimes, creativity. Resources involved in building anything high tech is in no way comparable to say making a decent music album with just a pc, just look at your list of staff. And even with that, imagine the amount of manhours that will be involved. It's no trivial pursuit.

Building an engine may be superflous as there are many free ones available, quite a few even opensource. And there are affordable commercial offerings as well. Even at that, assessing which would be ideal for the project at hand, I believe you should be experienced with such tasks, still remains an ordeal. You don't want to make your choice then half way through development you discover you're limited in some way or the other

Your target group. If you're building for 9ja, you cannot expect us to be armed with ps4s or even 3s.

The above 2 points would lead me to thinking adopting an engine like unity, which works across mobile platforms and the pc, is very extendable, supports various languages, has a large community/support structure, etc etc, would be prudent.

There's also microsofts xna framework/network, and sony has strong support for indie studios as well (not sure how it works, but easily rivals microsoft considering their catalogue of games).

If you're going to build something, I would like to suggest it be imbued with our own culture, just as japanese are influenced by theirs, even if not blatantly so. I know who amaterasu is and what you can buy in akihabara(?), I even know that japs from osaka have an accent and are stereotyped as loud. I doubt the average jap geek knows what sango is.

Blah blah blah

Edit: ah, I should read the full op before posting. Nicely done with understanding the physics involved (you're on your own there, one of the reasons for my preference of an established engine). Most of the above though, I would say, still stands. I wouldn't recommend throwing an inexperienced team into the deep end even if you, as the lead, are experienced. Also, are you considering kickstarter?

Reyginus: Lololol. Obvious you said. Lol

Do you need a dictionary to look up the word? What's wrong with you?

italo: Gbam!

Even the innocent in the land will suffer for the innocent blood of unborn babies being shed in our country.

Yes, as 'innocents' in today's Nigeria are living at the highest standards all thanks to the gigawatts of spiritual power we produce daily

Black man ehhh. Let me just leave it at that

aManFromMars: A shout out to Uyi; it's been a long time coming.

That one needs a god methinks. At best some sort of theist. At least no more crazy talk.

It has been a long 7 stages of grief though to bury yahweh

kambo: Still here. If dont get the gist ignore it - read and pass.
Rehash.
God has and displays anger.
Man has and displays anger.
E.g an angry mob.
E.g a judge (rarely manifests)
anger is essential 4 dispensing justice. Like a smile expresses goodwill humor levity.
But God is criticized 4 dispensing justice or anger
yet at d same time God critics empathize with man's display of burning anger , swift uncomfortable justice etc.
... U can deduce the rest from here.
Catch my drift?
I likened God to man (not a mob)
i used d mob as an example of man in anger dispensing justice .
I cud hav used a parent , a jealous lover, etc.
The issue is : an emotion+a reaction (based on tht emotion):justice
and its implications wen critiquing God- automatic condemnation to d critique !

So omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent yahweh dispenses anger like us fallible humans. Eg, like a spurned lover, angry mob, etc? All that violence in the old testament is a result of an omnixx.x having tantrums?

Here's my (obvious) point. Do you believe mob lynchings and jealous spouses killing each other is justified? That's what you just said yahweh does. Usually people who do this we call monsters. You just called yahweh a monster.

Usually, it's atheists that call yahweh a monster, not you guys, see? So you're already talking like us, soon you'll be fully joining our ranks.

Unless, of course, you have no problems with all those atrocities yahweh is guilty of. All those inexcusable actions you somehow try to justify with 'he was angry'. Hitler was an angry dude who committed genocide, do you put him on a pedestal as well?

Now, if you really don't have an issue with yahwehs antics then you're very likely a sociopath with zero empathy.

So, is that clear now?

^^

You're utterly clueless. Don't expect anything from me. Not going to sit you through the obvious anymore

Which do you prefer op, scifi or fantasy? Don't worry, it's relevant

kambo: the angry mob illustration is used to used to make my point.
Atheists accuse G.o.d off being irascible, edgy,quick to lash out and sadistic for creating hell.
Yet , we justify man (acting in a mob) dispensing justice (though extra judicial) with fury and anger,
anger is d serum for the transport of d bitter justice.
I tied this principle to God who does same , dispense justice With ANGER. I showed how God is self controlled - his anger ripens with time.
In the pre-new testament era this wasnt always so - but thats talk 4 anoda day.
Concluding, with the fact tht if we excuse man (the mob in this case),
or the judge in a civil situation,
we i.e u sceptics invariably checkmate urself AND THIS WILL B USED AGAINST YOU wen u try to accuse ALMIGHTY! Like jesus checkmated the hounding pharisees ,saduccees again and again and again.
When you try to argue with God ,
its like playg ur best game of chess with only piece - ur king- against an infinite grand master!

Is this a yes or a no?


Let me give you a little leeway. Did you just compare your gods anger to that of angry mob, yes, or no?

kambo: if i were moving away, I wouldnt b writing this christian apologetic.
You missed my point by a continent-wide margin.

Kayi, dealing with una.... You missed the point. So you agree the xter you describe behaves like an angry mob, yes or no?

^^^


Did I touch a nerve, doesn't your bible have anything to say about your attitude? No one's forcing you to drop your xtianity.

Don't have time to deal with all your folly, so much. Could write novels, like ASOIAF sef, not LOTR, on your silly, naive worldview, and I really should get to work. It must be nice being xtian, good and evil. You, good. Them, evil. Wow

Anyways, as you seem to demand special attention, ie every single little thing has to be pointed out to you, enjoy this at least.....

So, you called me hipocrite. My response

me: Let me first clarify this; I'm proud of my hypocrisy

Yours

you: You are sounding like you've taken the position of Alfa in this discussion.

Ooooh, so you understand alfa's position? I even mention

me: Only good thing here seems to be you understand satanism a bit more.

So, are you r.etarded, or did you miss the conspicuous lack of .......hypocrisy in his outlook?

He doesn't go around lying like you zombies about having a 'loving' god interested in your souls. Do you burn the people you love forever? I've never heard of that sort of love before. Or go around trying to save souls in order to gain favor with skydaddy and avoid the loving hell. He does not go about cherry picking left right centre 'sacred scriptures' to fit his selfish desires then claim he's doing it for your own good. Ghey is bad, but eating shell fish is alright. Slavery, etc. He doesn't go around lying about unconditional love and what not, or all the other nonsense you good xtians go on about, nonsense like the stuff I put up in my post.

Here, read a little before asking about santa next time

wiki: LaVeyan Satanism, often referred to simply as Satanism among most adherents, is a tradition in Satanism founded in 1966 by Anton LaVey. Its core beliefs and philosophies are based on individualism, secular humanism, religious skepticism, freethought, epicureanism and "eye for an eye" morality.[1][2][3]

Contrary to popular belief, LaVeyan Satanism does not involve the worship of "the devil" or any such deities, it is an atheistic philosophy that uses the character of "Satan" as a symbol of pride, carnality, enlightenment, undefiled wisdom, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be permeated and motivated by a force that has been given many names by humans over the course of time.[4][5][6]


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Satanic Virtue

Lex Talionis, or "The Law of Reprisal" (from the Latin lex/legis (f.), "law", and talio, -onis (f.), "retaliation", "rejoinder" informed much of LaVey's Satanic formulation. "Do unto others as they do unto you" supplanted the directive to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", so that you are only to give compassion and sympathy to those who deserve it. It is a reactive rule, compared with the Christian proactive rule; by the rule, love, compassion, and sympathy are not to be wasted upon "ingrates"; these are to be given only to those who the practitioner feels deserves them. The religion of Satanism, as LaVey espouses it, is centered almost exclusively upon the concept of being one's own god; as such, values and attachments such as love, affection, and caring, along with opposing concepts such as hate and wrath, are to be disseminated at the discretion of the individual Satanist. As such, it is the individual's responsibility (and not that of a god, or the fault of any devil) to both justify and accept the consequences of their actions. LaVey felt that intelligent and strong people spent too much time caring for psychic vampires — weak individuals who always demanded attention and care, yet would never give any back. He taught that Satanists should strive to remove themselves as much as possible from such people in order to live in accordance to their instincts and individual wills.


The Nine Satanic Statements

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
[size=14pt]Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.[/size]
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years.[22]

They don't lie, they tell you up front their intentions, unlike you clowns. Now, do you honestly mean to tell me that your 'loving' god and xtian philosophy, positions on morals and whatnot, is superior that of satanists? Rife with your hiprocisy and reliance on sociopathic skydaddy (actually, your reliance on bronze age brutes for moral values, but we can ignore that). Can you honestly tell me you're incapable of revenge? You don't even seem capable of holding your temper in check on an online forum, and you're here denigrating their way of life?

Hypocrite.

So, when you write nonsense like this

hipocrit: Also, so much appreciation and promotion of negative values breed a dysfunctional being.
And you wonder what is wrong with being dysfunctional entity?
He lives a disordered life in perpetual ignorance.
Not willing to check himself and when he does, he stands erect in that world of shadows where his vision is indeliberately confused by the situation he has found himself in.
To him, ordered beings are disordered and disordered ones in his frame of mind is ordered.
That moment he begins to die. I wish you can understand what you are saying.

Don't delude yourself. Look at the bolded, that's subjective. No such thing as an objective moral code, you do not posses any sort of universally 'good' moral code. THAT'S PURE, UNADULTERATED NONSENSE OF THE HIGHEST CALIBRE. (that does not exist even conceptually.) Read your 'good' old testament and tell sheeple otherwise, but not anyone with even a whiff of grey matter in his skull and, more importantly, values (read, again, subjective) similar to mine. It's simply you (or whoever is your head sheeple) projecting his desires than trying to pass it off as something else. Satanists even hold that as gods are manmade concepts, in other words man performing unnecessary gymnastics in order achieve his own selfish gains, they might as well discard with that nonsense and move on to worshiping......themselves. Enter indulgence, etc etc

They acknowledge human nature, reasonably and honestly, and attempt to deal with it. This in no way means they would lead lives injurious to others in any single way. In fact, one ought to be much more weary of hypocrites like you. Say one thing, do the other....


And by the way, you brought up most of issues I addressed in my post, then you complain when I address them?

This is only the surface of your folly, I can see why the satanist himself isn't wasting time here....

EDITS

voltron: Cos the Bible claims the world no older than 10k years.. why press matters on a skull dat suggests a period longer than God's days in existence

lol

I know that guy!!

No, he just looks like someone I know, that I suspect has teh ghey. Maybe his long lost brah?

Obvious photoshop messages

Judek2: Long post..
I think the challenge throws more challenge to the atheists who believe so much in evolution theory..

How?

Reyginus: You are sounding like you've taken the position of Alfa in this discussion.
One thing anyone shouldn't be proud of is weakness of character. I wonder why you are proud of a vice.

So much black and white a book the size of lord of the rings may not cover it all. Only good thing here seems to be you understand satanism a bit more.

Simple, because it's inline with my values, and they make me feel nice, even if outcomes may not be the ideal. And by the way, everyone does it, it's impossible to not be a hypocrite. Acknowledging it and being proud of it is frankly, nothing wrong, depending on the subjective worldview of those involved. In fact, honesty is always refreshing frankly.

A lovely example; xtians. Here's a nice list of certain 'good' acts in the bible.

infidels.com:
GE 3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," thereby incurring death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life." (Note: God could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)

GE 4:2-8 God's arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother Abel.

GE 34:13-29 The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.

GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.

GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).

GE 38:9 "... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death."

EX 2:12 Moses murders an Egyptian.

EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside.

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.

EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.

EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.

LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before your sword."

LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children."

LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.

LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)

NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague.


ETC ETC ETC. THIS BARELY SCRATCHES THE SURFACE!!!

Heck, god even makes a simple command like 'thou shall not steal' then plagiarizes whole sections of the bible. Now, explain to me how the very foundations on xtianity are not built around hipocrisy, pot? And are you not proud of being an xtian. Why? Because it suits your values.

I especially like the beginning of that article

infidel.com:
NOTE: These lists are meant to identify possible problems in the Bible, especially problems which are inherent in a literalist or fundamentalist interpretation. Some of the selections may be resolvable on certain interpretations--after all, almost any problem can be eliminated with suitable rationalizations--but it is the reader's obligation to test this possibility and to decide whether it really makes appropriate sense to do this. To help readers in this task, these lists are aimed at presenting examples where problems may exist given certain allowable (but not always obligatory) assumptions. It should be kept in mind that a perfect and omnipotent God could, should, and likely would see to it that such problems did not exist in a book which s/he had inspired. It should also be kept in mind that what is and is not an atrocity is to some extent a matter of opinion. You are entitled to disagree with the author that these are, in fact, atrocities.

Basically, selective blindness. And explain to me how that is not determined by your values? Explain how that is not hypocritical? Genocide is bad, but god can do it and so can you so long as god says it's ok sha? Why? Because GOD??!! Or he doesn't like that people exercise their freewill and choose to worship stones, even if they harm absolutely no one else and are indeed good people? But jealousy is a sin.

Yesterdays xtian; 'slavery is acceptable, the bible condones it, look at the chapters blah blah blah'. Today's xtians;'slavery is bad, look at scriptures blah blah blah', why? Most values today frown on slavery, simple. You harp about gays yet ignore people who wear different fabrics? I don't see you stoning people who eat shell fish, hypocrite.

We'll all get hypocritical to protect our values, best we can do is attempt to minimize it. But with certain issues, my stance, eg standing up for individual freedom yet harassing those who are willingly involved in legally binding polyamory, or hounding fundies even if it's their right to believe in whatever they believe in, I remain a proud hypocrite.

Reyginus: I also don't fancy the idea of bringing muslims or islam into this. I don't fancy the analogy. We are two diametrically opposed religions that can never meet.

No you aren't, and not at all. Not sure how you guys are so shortsighted, really. First you think you acknowledging hypocrisy, something that you or any other conscious being is incapable of escaping, is bad and now you think xtianity is different to your standard monotheist religion.

Monotheism built around the same group of jewish fairy tales, you are the same thing, just a different flavor, philosophically or otherwise. Difference today being most of the xtian world had to go through the dark ages and bring on change after all the suppression, ie the age enligthenment and reason, and xtianity is a hell of a lot more ambiguous thus enabling adherents more flexibility when upgrading morals/dogma with the changing times. Giving you more chance to cherry pick, otherwise, it's the exact same thing. And note, the muslim world is even beginning to modernize despite the more draconian nature of modern islam; the arab spring. Actually, for quite some time they were even more progressive than xtianity, then their fundies gained the upper hand, the rest is history.

Reyginus: On a serious note, I will be very happy to see you do that. The only problem I have with you guys is that, the majority are not truth seekers. They are already made up on what to agree upon, in the process betraying the logic majority of you claim to uphold. With such a mentality any argument will yield nothing.

Those who adopted a worldview wildly unpopular in this environs, by following lines of thought or being influenced by lines of thought completely alien in sections of this society, are not openminded? There's reason 'amanfrommars' and 'martian' chose those usernames. For one, that's how far they're willing to go to get fresh ideas.

The average atheist in this society is, and by orders of magnitude, more openminded than the average theist. I would think it more likely that what you say simply doesn't make sense, not that we're not open to new ideas.

Reyginus: Ofcourse I must think so.
That he is a satanist atheist is discriptive only of his belief system, but the implication of the belief system is something he is yet to infotrm us.
I've never seen nor heard of a satanist atheist, hence, I see nothing wrong in asking the one available to explain what his belief stands for.
It will only be wrong if I castigated the belief system even without understanding it.

This is the op

joel lala: Of late we have seen alot of posts and Threads about God, what he did blah blah blah..Also, satanist have opened several threads using the bible as reference to show what God can do to defend his own children.

Now, my questions to NL satanist are:

1. WHAT HAS SATAN ACTUALLY DONE FOR HIS OWN CHILDREN aka satanist with reference to their own Satanic Book? Is there any history about it?

2. What did Satan create? ***Show us from the satanic books***

3. If satan did not create anything, doesnt that mean that he is POWERLESS?

4. Does satan believe in God?

5. Why do satanists preach and talk more about the Bible than the satanic books? Dont they believe in their master?


I await NL satanists to come here and enlighten us about these issues.

How is this asking about the philosophical implications of his belief system? He's asking an atheist if satan believes in god?? You honestly think he's not being literal?

Reyginus: Lol. Wiegraf, how does the interpretations people draw from the bible affect its content.
You see, anybody can interprete the bible or any book in whatsoever manner he or she pleases but it doesn't take away the meaning the writer had in mind when scribbling those words down.

For one, people believe the literal interpretations of these your stories, therefore when addressing them it is very correct to tackle the story as literal too. They do not believe walking on water is a metaphor, or that it was some sort of simple 'magic' trick, they (likely including you) believe he actually walked on water. You believe Mary actually was a v.irgin that was 'spiritually' impregnated, you believe jesus died and was reanimated 3 days later. Literally, and these interpretations are what you build your worldview around.

They are highly relevant, indeed, crucial. They shape worldviews. On the dangerous end for instance, someone believes god is going to roast folk in hell for facilitating abortions, but before that he would like him to rightly stop it and save unborn souls, therefore he bombs a clinic. Even the kindly mother who believes her kids could go to hell if they weren't xtian, demonizes and prevents her brood from interacting with her hindu neighbors, discrimination and seeds of hate. Let's not get into 72 vi.rigins, etc etc.

Also note, you do not, in any way, have an objectively better interpretation than theirs. Not at all, as the stories are not accepted based on the evidence, but on faith, and they well allow for the supernatural. So anything goes. Pick what you accept as literal or otherwise. Cherry pick what you like and ignore the rest, then look for contradictions to justify your selfishness. Etc etc

Reyginus: Again, I don't like it when you bring the qoran into this. We are two lines that can never meet.

Che. See above

Reyginus: Lol. Please explain your meaning.
Lol. I still miss the point here. Bring it home.

Point is above mostly; the op is asking about supernatural juju and not about philosophical implications of his worldview. He's asking how is your superman inferior to alfa's batman. Alfa never had a batman in the first place, he's made this clear but you all consistently, somewhat amusingly, ignore this. Mostly because you imagine a worldview without a batman is impossible. So yes, it can seem quite silly. I keep on telling you everyday I'm left handed, you even see me using my left hand all the time to say eat, then you, right handed fellow, show up and ask me why do I use my right hand to eat? That's somewhat, more or else it