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Chibuebem: this is painful.
I didn't really make out the conversation correctly.
Are you sure it's kaduna? Nigeria?

Very terrible

She says she lives in malali, in hausa, so yes very likely. Unless there's another malali I've not heard of, which someone could pls verify

striktlymi: She was killed because they believe she was an Atheist. This indeed is terrible. My day just got ruined.

You verified that yes? I'm not just hearing things, yes?

FOLYKAZE: lol....person won boil. Chai.

Let those you call bear that name give you answer. Also, you didn't answer questions in the OP. Such a way atheist divert what ever stand against them to strawmanning. Lol.

Do that and I deal with your question. Abeg ma dey jonze to Fela tone....stage of kissing the star. Lwkmd

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You demonstrate why one shouldn't address an eediot if he can manage it. Thank you

OLAADEGBU: Those visions backed up with the Scriptures were legitimate scare tactics to scare the hell out of you. You guys are so scared of hell that you now figure that by believing God doesn't exist your nightmares would disappear. Your case reminds me of another story.

A man was driving to work when a lorry drove through a stop sign, hit his car broadside, and knocked him out.  Passers-by pulled him from the wreck and revived him.  He began a terrific struggle and had to be tranquillised by the paramedics.

Later, when he came to and was calm, they asked him why he struggled so much.  He said:

"I remember the impact, then nothing.  I woke up on a concrete slab in front of a huge, flashing 'Shell' sign.  And somebody was standing in front of the S." 

Thank you. That will be all

FOLYKAZE: Lol...you dont want to learn. Enjoy your close minded libration.

The OP was asking a question which you dont address, how I can I honour you with answer too?

Ma dey jonz with star. Preparing to gaze for tonight. I love those balls in the sky.....

My good clown, where are you running off to? A very simple question I've asked you now, how many times? And, great eediot, quit your silly persecution nonsense. Have I ever demeaned yoruba beliefs through this? It's very simple, all I've stated is that you, and YOU in particular, are NOT an atheist.

So now, could you answer this; how would you gauge the evidence for/against gods?


Edit; ah, yes, and buddhism/ifa etc are religions, even if some may choose to subscribe to the philosophies and not the religions full out

FOLYKAZE: plaetton.....you see eh? Lwkmd

Here comes the 'bark at atheist', 'nairaland atheist' and 'professional atheist' as tagged by Einstein.

Erm....i love jonzing with babalawo..it make me reconnect with my history. Those taught at school are scam records of invaders.

Lol

Aaaaaaannnnndddd you didn't address the question, as usual, in any way...

Please, I'm not sure I'm hearing this right, as it seems they take off her head because she's atheist

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f71f18b1e2

And this is ..... Kaduna. Malali. This isn't some village. Am I hearing the convo right?

If so, what of those who like to parp about no such thing as atheist persecution? Regardless of the cause though, please behold the religion of peace.

And mods, don't chicken out.


EDIT; and the true story is revealed

WHξξ∟s:
Damned, the clip was shot in borno not kaduna as alleged by the op, the kanuri psychopaths are accusing the woman of being an ss not atheist, there was a ward in maiduguri named melari which is where she reside, it sounds like malali in kaduna but it is not. Both the woman and the morons had kanuri accent, she might probably be a Muslim who works as an informant to the security services. An atheist will not dream of going to borno talkless of getting himself killed by bh. More youth are joining the civilian jtf nowadays which I believe will soon end this menace one day.

phew.... Targeting atheists (or any other group) in particular, as opposed to their wanton indiscriminate slaughter, would open a whole new can of worms..... We already have more than enough trouble as is....

Doesn't exactly mitigate issues here though..

EDIT 2; new link

plaetton: Spirituality and religion are not the same thing.

Spirituality is very subjective, whereas religion makes the grave eror of trying to push the subjective outwards into objective reality. That is why religion doesn't make sense.

As an atheist, I am free to embrace spirituality without self-contradiction because I am fully cognizant that my spiritual reality can only be real to me and only me.
Outside of my head, it is just rubbish.

That is what I try to impress upon religious people: That the god, the Jesus, the holy spirit that they claim to see, hear and feel , have no reality outside of their heads.

Maybe you can help the baba lawo op? Can you please explain how he gauges the evidence for/against gods?

OLAADEGBU: I know what you atheists want. I also know that you know in your heart of hearts that God exists it is just that you don't want to believe it and try suppress this truth with this theory of evolution and thereby keep up with your sinful lifestyle.

You can see into our hearts? Are these visions as real as those you have about the afterlife? You think we just want to sin? Could that be because you imagine you'd be 'sinning' yourself if you had a chance? Please tell us what you'd indulge in were it not for your fear a psychopath my good sociopath.

On another note, you consistently fear monger for your sociopath god, obviously terrified of him and playing a sycophant to an omnipotent (note the foo.lishness there if you can).

So, this omnixx that exist only in your delusions, you fear monger because you are piss scared of him and would do anything, and I mean anything, eg sacrifice your son like a goat or make hitler's final solution look like a vacation (I'm looking at you hell, with your never ending furnace), just to please him and protect your behind. Is that correct?

barack_o_handso: Seems to me Folykaze got a lot of critics

You can have lots of critics and still be justified/right. @folly on the other hand...

aManFromMars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_h3uIOANM


seen on worldstar

Oh boy na wa

Just thinking, and far too lazy/busy to do it myself, we ought to gather the many untouched threads that are too hot for our theist brahs in one post, and place them somewhere as open questions. What say yeh?

Ah, @folly, I see. You're generally foo.lish all the time. This is what @bolaino was talking about?

No, it's god of the gaps. We don't understand how something works != god. Never has, probably never, ever will (depending on the definition of 'god').

Consciousness is probably related to the fact that unlike machines we are well capable of making mistakes and swinging with them, no problems. Also, our brains ever changing state, unlike mechanical machines of the day, all these making for its adaptability (or not, something like 'survival of the fittest'). Put in some chaos, perhaps quantum phenomena (if the temperature issues can be overcome) and uncertainty, etc etc

Regardless, however it works will be figured out eventually. 'Goddidit' is a copout.

nnofaith: now you dont want to know about booty effect!

Does the effect of hipsology have a positive correlation with perverseness?

Does the law of diminishing returns affect the hipsology affect?

If the above two are affirmative, what does that say about muslims and other puritanical hypocrites that hide hips, etc? When they eventually come across hips, or even just daydream about hips, do they become much, much more perverted than the average sane homo-sapien?

Uyi Iredia: ^^^This douchebag $*it in his pant, as usual, came here to barf about, not faff, and goes off less sane, as expected.

It didn't even take me ~2 posts

~ZN~:
What? Are you a child to believe santa claus exists?

You believe in god? If you do that, do you actually have a problem with my belief in santa? What are you smoking?

FOLYKAZE: wee-girafe....

I asked a simple question for you to ignore it huh? This is foolishness in display. Again....why cant you propound hypothesis behind Usain bolt speed on track so that you can use that and run fast like him. You are dull.

Buddhist belief in reincarnation......reincarnation ==supernatural.... ....Briefly explain reincarnation scientifically pls

Moreover, im not pointing to anything supernatural in my post on this thread so I wonder why you drawing your thin hair on issue which doesn't relate with ground. I call this girafe madness. Your strawman is epic

Can you remember the question I've been asking, repeatedly? Picking up from there...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_quantum_immortality_in_fiction

Have you heard of the pu.ssycat that's alive and dead? Using that concept, basically if you die here, you live in on in other universes in the multi-verse. Similar to how in star-trek, when you teleport you don't actually move anywhere, you are actually destroyed then rebuilt somewhere else. Ie, another copy of you carries on.


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Research/vonlommel_consciousness.htm

Research on NDE, dug up by another nairalander, that ventures into using quantum mechanics/etc, to explain certain "perceived" "spiritual" phenomena


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentric_universe

A view of the world modeled around consciousness, with it, more or else, creating the universe.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Reincarnation_research

Research into reincarnation

wiki: Psychiatrist Ian Stevenson, from the University of Virginia, investigated many reports of young children who claimed to remember a past life. He conducted more than 2,500 case studies over a period of 40 years and published twelve books, including Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation and Where Reincarnation and Biology Intersect. Stevenson methodically documented each child's statements and then identified the deceased person the child identified with, and verified the facts of the deceased person's life that matched the child's memory. He also matched birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records such as autopsy photographs, in Reincarnation and Biology.[68]

Stevenson searched for disconfirming evidence and alternative explanations for the reports, and believed that his strict methods ruled out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.[69] However, a significant majority of Stevenson's reported cases of reincarnation originated in Eastern societies, where dominant religions often permit the concept of reincarnation. Following this type of criticism, Stevenson published a book on European Cases of the Reincarnation Type. Other people who have undertaken reincarnation research include Jim B. Tucker, Satwant Pasricha, Godwin Samararatne, and Erlendur Haraldsson.

Skeptics such as Paul Edwards have analyzed many of these accounts, and called them anecdotal,[70] while also suggesting that claims of evidence for reincarnation originate from selective thinking and from the false memories that often result from one's own belief system and basic fears, and thus cannot be counted as empirical evidence. Carl Sagan referred to examples apparently from Stevenson's investigations in his book The Demon-Haunted World as an example of carefully collected empirical data, though he rejected reincarnation as a parsimonious explanation for the stories.[71]

Objections to claims of reincarnation include the facts that the vast majority of people do not remember previous lives and there is no mechanism known to modern science that would enable a personality to survive death and travel to another body, barring the idea of biocentrism. Researchers such as Stevenson have acknowledged these limitations.[72]

And you know how buddhists are always going on about energy and what not? And you know how scientifically speaking, energy can neither of be created or destroyed, it simply changes state? Can you see where that is headed? Ask @plaeton about his ideas on energy and see how far off they can go.

Actually, ask your cheer-leader and the resident expert on telekinesis, @uyi, for more info on scientific research into spirituality, reincarnation blah blah. He probably has read (and not understood anything at all, so you should get along just fine) gigabytes of info on the topic.


^^^^ See all the above? All......scientific. You can argue about how scientific, label some pseudoscientific, justifiably so even, but it doesn't change the fact that it's adherents believe there is a natural explanation for these phenomena which they believe may exist.

If I time-travelled a hundred years into the past with my ipad, guess what, natives then would definitely consider me supernatural. In actuality, they simply would be...ignorant of the working of an ipad. That's it. What 'atheistic' proponents of these phenomena hold is that they are natural, we just don't know how they work. You, on the other hand, my good ser, think the laws of physics are void because, well, baba lawo. Suddenly I'm faster than Bolt... I wonder where these bullet proof vests where when a few hundred oyinbo was enslaving our ancestors by the thousands using physics? Abi said ancestors did not pray hard enough

Also note this, 'atheistic' proponents of these beliefs are not necessarily subscribing to the religious aspects, but they do subscribe to the philosophy. For instance, some looking for peace of mind, instead of saying so he'd say he's searching for 'nirvana', etc etc. Why do you think I linked you to great_genius? Basically a pantheist at best, but his language and what not make him sound like some sort of religious nut. This is even neglecting the amount of flexibility these beliefs around, buddhism and hinduism for instance are well known to be capable of being customized to fit the world view of each adherent.

And your stoopidity about strawmen, do you even know what they are? When I initially made the statement about your not being an atheist, exactly why do you think I did so? Because of the statements you had not yet made on this thread? Bros, I don't have jazz capable of seeing into the future.

Ok, I'm off to google the race where you beat usein bolt using spiritual power.

Op, how smart is a person who calls another group selfish, then goes on to state said group is dumb because they do not selfishly extend their lives by grovelling at the feet of a tyrannical psychopathic god? That this selfish group is dumb because they do not take up Pascal's wager?

It might take a while, but settle down slowlllllyyy and think about it

double post

folly: tell me why usain bolt is very fast and your dumb scientific theory cant make you fast like him on lane.

Please, you deserve some cabin. Clap for yourself while you're at it, my special friend. Easily one of the most foolish things I've come across on NL...

Wasting so much time.. Anyways, assignment here

wiki: Rather, Buddhism emphasizes the system of causal relationships underlying the universe (pratityasamutpada) which constitute the natural order (dharma) and source of enlightenment. No dependence of phenomena on a supernatural reality is asserted in order to explain the behaviour of matter. According to the doctrine of the Buddha, a human being must study Nature (dhamma vicaya) in order to attain personal wisdom (prajna) regarding the nature of things (dharma). In Buddhism, the sole aim of spiritual practice is the complete alleviation of stress in samsara,[6][7] which is called nirvana.

Also, read through this guy's posts. As you'll miss the point, here; while he's not an atheist, he's certainly more so than you are.

Try and use your brain there, and stop insulting your fellow theists

You forgot to use the term 'corollary of evil' snooq

bolaino: bros, I respect u very much, and it's funny u didn't get my message, read it very well, the message wasn't for u, it was for ur opponent. And it sEems the guy thinks I'm on his side. U showed great intelligence in your posts on this thread, and I respect u more sire.

Oops, no, I missed it completely, as I was in sparta mode, it was thus my turn to see people persecuting me everywhere.... no vex....[s](Also I actually never read @folly's posts, knowing what they're usually filled with, so I had no idea he goes around being an a$$ as well). To think, I actually was going easy on him) [/s]. And the respect is a wee bit misplaced, as I'm an a$$ first, the rest awesome later. Though I can understand that having more respect than @folly does isn't exactly some remarkable achievement, just sayin'

No vex for the derailling, but it's sort of related, and e tire me. So long as one isn't sheeple, he should be free to declare his beliefs imo. How is it another's business? And exactly what's wrong with being a pagan, theist, whatever? Hope it's not shame, abi were our ancestors any more deluded than oyinbos and their tales of men living in fish for 3 days?

Look at d pagan9ja dude, proud of his heritage, beliefs etc. Can accept he's a theist, no issues, nothing wrong with being a theist, yet I'm not sure even he believes tying a bush around his waist = bullet proof. That belief isn't 'philosophy', non of those atheist buddhist or secular xtians, etc, would believe in that nonsense, yet he's afraid to state he's an african theist. What's wrong with that? I hope it's simply an inability to reason, and not shame, but meh..

Larai Boluwaji: If the cap fits, wear it

Indeed, but you might be slightly confused. Ever heard of this?

rationalwiki: The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when incompetent people not only perform a task poorly or incompetently, but lack the competence to realize their own incompetence at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. Put more crudely, they're too stup.id to realize they're stup.id. The inverse also applies: competent people tend to underestimate their ability compared to others.

If you have no doubts whatsoever about your brilliance, you could just be that damn good. On the other hand...

FOLYKAZE: the bold is like when einstein call there likes PROFESSIONAL ATHEISTS. Lol

What's this, a dumb and dumber routine?

So you concede the obvious at last; you aren't an atheist

https://i.imgflip.com/7m0.gif

dr dams: Cloud Cuckoo state!!

Why would you say so? Attack the points, they look solid to me

bolaino: Nairaland's a really funny forum, imagine how this topic shifted from me renouncing atheism to a nairalander making a total fool of himself. I believe he knows himself, very unrefined western boy, lacks comprehension, very arrogant, and exudes ignorance, and I love the way the other atheist made a fool out of him.

I don't normally do this, but from the bottom of my heart, some nairalanders should learn to be themselves, be real. Stop trying to prove that u are cool and end up making a fool out of yourself, you need to improve on yourself, but because I know the type of homosapien you are, you would start ranting, anyways I wish u d best,

This is an impressive display of cowardice and but.thurt

I'm sorry to interrupt, but considering the nature of topic and the erudition on display here, I feel this is the best place to discuss this

physics.org:
The physics of Santa

Nick of time

Just one night is not much time to deliver presents to around two billion children all over the world.

That time can be extended to up to 48 hours by taking advantage of the Earth’s time zones – starting by delivering presents in the (saint) nick of time at the International Date Line and travelling west.

With a total global population of seven billion, then assuming an average family size of four people, he’d have to deliver to around 10 000 homes every second in order to get the job done within those 48 hours.

By way of comparison, the US Postal Service delivers around 170 billion items of mail every year – equivalent to a little over 5000 per second over the course of 12 months, and that’s with a workforce of more than 600 000 employees and ownership of the largest vehicle fleet in the world.

Santa’s delivery outfit consists only of himself and a handful of reindeer. As has been pointed out before – notably by Spy Magazine – to deliver all his presents in time he’d have to travel at such a high speed that Rudolph and co would burn up due to friction, just like small meteors entering the atmosphere. Maybe that explains the red nose.

But could he get the job done using either of the two great theories of 20th-century physics: relativity and quantum mechanics?


Relativity

In his special theory of relativity, Albert Einstein showed that time runs at different rates for observers who are moving relative to one another (and passes more slowly for excited children waiting for presents).

This wouldn’t be much good though, as the sleigh-pulling reindeer would still be going so fast they’d combust – if they could even stay in orbit.

But gravitational fields also bend time – clocks run slower the closer they are to a source of mass. Could the Earth’s gravity help?

Probably not. If orbiting on the edge of space, then even doubling the amount of available present-delivery time would require the planet to be 1000 times more massive than the Sun – and if the Earth were this heavy at its current size it would collapse as a black hole.

But if there are no natural configurations of spacetime that might help, Santa could in theory still create a custom one.

In 1994, a physicist then based at Cardiff University, Miguel Alcubierre, discovered that there is a solution of general relativity roughly analogous to Star Trek’s warp drive. By artificially contracting the section of spacetime in front of the sleigh and expanding that behind, Santa and his reindeer can travel at an arbitrarily large speed relative to the Earth while still remaining stationary within their own ‘bubble’ of space.

The trouble is this would require an enormous amount of energy to accomplish – several billion times that in the entire observable universe.


Quantum mechanics

Quantum mechanics also allows for things to be transported great distances in little time, and could avoid the need for Santa to take to the skies at all.

Because their position isn’t a definite point but a wave spread out over space, particles can sometimes “tunnel” through barriers that, according to classical mechanics, they shouldn’t be able to pass.

Again, assuming Santa actually knows how to accomplish this (he does, after all, know when you are sleeping; he knows when you’re awake; he knows if you’ve been bad or good…), it would take a huge amount of energy to realize.

This is not to say that he doesn’t have such tremendous amounts of energy at his disposal, but it may not be the most efficient solution to his present-delivery problem.


Von Neumann probes

Maybe the problem of present-delivery could adapt a suggestion originally made when considering space exploration.

Physicist John von Neumann proposed that a spacecraft could be sent to another star system and programmed to make replicas of itself using raw materials found there. These in turn would travel to further solar systems, exponentially increasing the volume of space that can be covered.

A similar strategy could be used to send a delivery-sleigh to each continent, replicating itself to send one to each country, to each state, territory or county, and so on.

But, other than the odd bit of space junk, there are few natural resources available to convert, and to do so would be time-consuming anyway. Santa would have to be able to readily transmute elements from one form to another and then assemble them into the correct toys and gifts – perhaps by using nanotechnology.

Whichever means are used to deliver presents to billions of homes during the festive season, it’s clear that Father Christmas is way more technologically advanced than us.

Or he could just put gifts in the post.

So, what do you think?

aManFromMars: Lol. Weigraf's gonna break another keyboard soon, Uyi and Folykaze mega jam..


*whistling*

These ones are, well...rather foo.lish. And their tempers are actually......amusing.

Anony...... My blood really boils....... Foolish, but doesn't show his anger...... Annoying...............


.......... breaking keyboard...

@folly

Let me show you what's embarrassing; your need to somehow separate yourself from the rest of your brethren, who aren't necessarily doing anything wrong so long as they bother no one else. It's a nice case of a modern day slave ashamed of his roots. To dissociate yourself from theism, you now resort to telling tales by moonlight stories about everything (displaying excellent comprehension) and needless gymnastics, seeing demons everywhere with your guilty conscience. For instance, the start of this your brilliant nonsense post here

you: if you claim devil is Eshu

I'll be here all day, show me where I do this...

Let's go back a bit..

you: Were you not asking for devil?

I was, where? This

you: 'tell the truth and let the devil be ashamed', or whoever the devil is in yoruba fairy tales.

And you cannot note it simply goes with the joke? You do note that I've heard of Eshu, yes, yet I deliberately did not use his name. Perhaps that could be because.........I knew he isn't the representation of the devil?

So, are you saying that if I bothered I couldn't find an evil god in yoruba pantheon to fill the spot of the devil? And that's not even the main point, even if there were no evil god in yoruba lore, are you saying ogun, ese etc, do not exist? Are they not.......gods, eg odin et al?

Let me bring home the point

you: Yoruba spirituality doesn't have anything like devil. Dont be this dull.

me: [size=14pt]No[/size], but it has sango, ogun, ese, etc etc, as you graciously list all the time, yes? Just as xtians have yah'weh and satan, Norse had thor and loki. Children have santa. Do you have evidence that proves any of these exist? You've reviewed the evidence for any, and are convinced they do? Do you even know what atheism is?

Are you retar.ded? Did I not clearly agree there was no direct representation of satan (and that would have something to do with the fact that African and Middle-Eastern religions did not exactly evolve together) yet here you are still imagining someone persecuting you. I have not even said anywhere that there's something wrong with being a theist, in fact I've in fact said the opposite, repeatedly, but your slave mentality happens to think there's something wrong with having these beliefs, non-western as they are, and therefore you need to dissociate yourself from theism at all cost.

As for the bolded, think on that carefully. I know that's hard for you, considering your mental capabilities, but try. If I have to expantiate on your folly as with regards to calling yourself an atheist despite your reading that, then well....

You're a theist, deal with it. You believe tying some bush around your waist is going to stop a metal projectile moving at extremely high speeds from killing you. Please explain the physics behind that. Again, I'll be here all day. The only way you could explain your belief would be to use the..... supernatural (and let's not forget blind faith). Hence your inability to answer a simple question, here it is again;

Can science explain/investigate your claims?

Yes or no bros?

So you're a theist, deal with it. And no, I'm not interested in reading any more of your fairy tales. As you missed it (again, along with everything else, actually), the point isn't that there necessarily exists a heaven in yoruba folk lore, all that matters is that all your claims are equally nonsensical without evidence; fairies, aliens, yoruba stories about turtles and chesting bullets <- all the same sheet (except maybe aliens actually, but sane folk should get the point).

When you can show me the physics (or sane logic) behind a bullet moving at those speeds to your skull not harming you, then I'll pay attention. Till then, sharrap!

Or, don't. Your biz, but I won't be indulging you anymore. Even I don't have that much time to waste.

Uyi Iredia: Coming from a goose who fails at dribbling out of arguments this interesting, the tactic here is especially sound, show that if one ain't talk like a typical atheist, he ain't atheist. No to mention schmucking around the term, Nairaland atheist.

Lemme guess, you think you made sense?

Chibuebem: sorry, I meant manga. Just wondering...and trying to find ground to talk and be listened to. You see, we need wisdom in speaking the message. And we must rely on the holy spirits power.

Trust me when I say that as far as religion is concerned, there's absolutely nothing you can do about my stance, except possibly provide a few laughs.

But feel free