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Deep Sight: .

And this farfer neither knows what a machine is, nor understands the evident fact that if indeed, we are machines, that in itself will clobber his atheistic philosophy into dirt - by the very definition of what a machine is, as something built for function. And an efficient end.

My word.

These fellas truly ring clinically dumb.

Well. As I said, cattle that you both are, you will be indulged.

Wait first, lemme get my umbrella up first...Ok

Ah, but there really isn't anything here to reply to. Humans are tools, built to handle a function, I agree (somewhat, though it's simplifying). Problem, where? No one said the programmer had to be conscious, no? And it obviously isn't

Joshthefirst: okay,
I assume you speak indirectly. A machine has no choice but to fulfill the intents of its maker? Or rather, the intent of a machine is the intent of its maker?
What gives machines intent if not the machine makers?
Do machines have freewill?
Remember:
A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action.

How can humans be machines and still have freewill, having their own intents and taking their own actions?

Machines have makers do they not?
And you cannot tell me that evolution is our maker, evolution itself does not have intent. Or does it?

A machine has no choice but to fulfill its programming. I never said we have freewill. We don't.

Nature's haphazard programming is responsible for you, evidence everywhere, see evolution. Exactly why should I discard it?

btw, following your beliefs the intent is clear; do god's will, no? So exactly how aren't humans machines?

rationalmind: Just asking if u'll consider eating it. Its not hard, you can eat it as you watched it in the video.

I didn't watch the video, this is common knowledge. What in the world makes you think it's not hard? And these are really silly questions, is there a point? Or are you one of those geniuses that gets ideas from jackass or dirty sanchez?

Joshthefirst: so machines arise from complex nothingness?

Okay.
Clarify intent.
Do machines have intent?

Let's say simply, yes. Does not mean they necessarily came to be for a purpose.

Joshthefirst: Are machines conscious?

Again, we are machines.

rationalmind: Will you eat one?

Why?

rationalmind: Lol, I also just showed a friend all what the guy wrote n my friend said he has also witnessed someone eating BLADE after holding one charm in his left hand. He said the guy spitted nothing after chewing it.

People didn't start eating glass today. A simple youtube search should yield ample results

Joshthefirst:

Definition of machine(wikipedia):
A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action.

Are we machines?

Yes, except intent in our case is subtly complex.

Joshthefirst: Do you really think we're machines?

Obviously most don't think so. I clearly do, no?

Joshthefirst: Okay, let's use your stance. Machines are created(bummer?)
Or do machines arise from complex and disordered nothingness?

How can nothingness be disordered? That asides, both.

plaetton: I agree, ignorance can yield quite a bountiful harvest of nonsense.
But there were elements real knowledge embedded in ancient and religious lore.
Because there was no methodology, no verifiable constants, modern science had no choice but to completely usurp it.

If the the current emperical system had not evolved, every knowldege , no mater how factual or useful, would still be in state of confusing flux.
Science is the way it is today because of the way it was organized.

What nuggets do you speak of?

plaetton: It become obvious that ancient preisthoods, shamans and witch doctors of old were dealing with Quantum physical phenomena, the improvised name for which we call "spiritual".

No it doesn't. When you're ignorant, it's not hard to imagine a lot of nonsense. Not at all.

And if any of these were really useful they would not have been usurped completely by proper scientific inquiry.

Well done arsenal...

rationalmind: Shoo, make una take am easy now.

I personally don't agree with wiegraf. You can't dismiss something uve not even looked at. What if its true? What if ure wrong?

That's why I'm interested to see these things. I don't believe them myself but I will never dismiss the ops claims without even taking a look at it.

And exactly what have I not taken a look at, talking dolls?

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I suppose it's possible

If you're willing to indulge nonsense, good for you. Don't expect us to join you though. In the meantime, I just happen to have this wonderful flying pig for sell. Do come over to verify when opportuned.

Ah, you address nothing as usual. And to compound on that...

FOLYKAZE: The call is there for you to answer for ground on debunking it. Just answer and stop ranting.

You asked for prove and this is a call. Where is your physical prove of reincarnation in buddhism you were arguing in support of? And when are you going to tell us about hausa spirituality? Foolish noisemaker

ME??!!:
Where do I do that you mo.ron? What in this universe ever gave you the impression that I defend reincarnation in Buddhism? What exactly is wrong with you?

folly: lol. Frustration from a militant nairaland atheist. So you got boiled been called fool? And what do you call me on this and other thread? Dont shed crocodile tears here.

Come out clean for the prove you ask for. Stop hiding in shame and poles against your brainwashed wit heads.

ME AGAIN??!!:
Folly, as usual, you're far too silly to spend much time on. Look at how many times you've made me use the word 'foo.l'.

I recommend programming your doll to comprehend simple english from brainwashed "brainwashed wit heads". Actually, it already handles your reasoning for you...

One last time, just for effect

ME AGAIN??!!:
Folly, as usual, you're far too silly to spend much time on. Look at how many times you've made me use the word 'foo.l'.

Deep Sight: Let me even indulge you for a second.

Answer me this simple question.

Do you suppose a machine may sommeday instinctively ponder the question "what am I?"

We are machines.


$hitstorm imminent

macof: Will u just shut up when u need to?

You know nothing about the topic of discussion you are just acting foolishly to talk badly about something u know nothing about.

Atleast find things out for urself before putting it off.

You dat doesn't have a moronic reasoning, wat do u know about wat wat u are debunking? Pure ignorance is wat u are showing.

I do know about talking dolls, invisible bullet proof vests and running faster than bolt. They are all....surprise surprise... impossible. Except to, of course, gullible, foo.lish monkeys like you. I hope that's clear. I hope you don't expect no challenges when you make asinine claims like these, else I think you're in the wrong place.

Now, you show me how any of these things are not nonsense rather than claim some esoteric knowledge or you shut up. You may not have noticed that you and @folly have not addressed any single meaningful criticism yet, yes? So, I'm waiting.

Let me just reiterate, baboons like you deserve no, absolutely NO respect for perpetuating your unadulterated drivel. If you were extracting the useful bits from this, just as secular xtians use 'love thy neighbor' and ignore the rest, it would be a different story (admirable even), but alas that's not the case.

And if you think my not knowing the intricacies of your nonsense amounts to anything to me, well, you may be confused. I don't know those of Islam or xtianity as well, and I'm quite proud of it. Again, I'm not going to waste my time on your drivel, get in line. Wtf do you think are?

Arsenal, no gawk...

macof: Ur being silly, instead of u debunking wat u know nothing about, you should learn about it and find out if it's worth debunking

No, don't waste my time with you pure, refined dross. You deserve absolutely no, I repeat, NO respect. When you can confirm your claims then I'll take you seriously. Else, join the queue. I still have to read the koran fully, as apparently I cannot dismiss it as utter nonsense until I read the whole book for myself. I can't dismiss any claims that are obvious nonsense it seems. Actually, going by your mo.ronic reasoning, nor can you, see?

FOLYKAZE: Yawn.........but fool like you can defend reincarnation in buddhism. Pls provide your physical evidence and not what some foolish and close minded folks like you wrote on wiki.

Where do I do that you mo.ron? What in this universe ever gave you the impression that I defend reincarnation in Buddhism? What exactly is wrong with you?

FOLYKAZE: Sam Harris can embrace buddhism with it devas and other Gods in it. He can believe in heaven and hell of buddhism, read sacred text and do meditation as instructed by gurus. He also believe buddha talk and walk around immediately after birth. Even a tree bend to support buddha mother when she was labouring. The elephant gilberish in buddhism, talking donkey in christianity and flying horse is Islam is more alike yet since Harris your lord point the torch, you walk after it like slowpoke.

Who told you harris believes any of this nonsense? Are you so foo.lish you cannot grasp something so simple?? He subscribes to the philosophy, not the nonsense about walking around after birth..

FOLYKAZE: The temples is philosophical room and those doctrines they held is new atheism way of life because some close minded atheist paint it with fantasies to you. This is foolishness and mental slavery. Darwin sexed up atheism with pantheism......fool like you accept that without complain. Or sacred, God and divinity of pantheism is now part of atheism? This is foolishness from you bra.

Err, what the mess do I care what Darwin believes.

Kayi. Do you need some prophet to tell you how many times a day you're allowed to take a $hit? Believe it or not there are many of us around who can make up our own minds for ourselves. You reason like this yet you somehow think yourself an atheist??

Also, you seem to be looking for a god. Again, why in the world do you claim to be an atheist?

FOLYKAZE: Can you tell us about hausa spirituality and stop talking on what darwin and harris (your mentality masters) told you? I know a fool like you defending buddhism as philosophy and not religion but ran away when I show care superstition and religious side of it. The same fool cant say anything about Igbo spirituality....i challenged him on chi especially. What can you tell us about hausa spirituality fool?

Folly, as usual, you're far too silly to spend much time on. Look at how many times you've made me use the word 'foo.l'.

To round this up I'll add I don't subscribe to rubbish, foreign or local. I obviously have more respect for people who respect their own local gods more than the jewish skydaddy, very commendable, but that in no way means I have to subscribe to their nonsense as well. Not at all.

Your folly puts us in danger, time and again. From invisible bullet proof belts that got us enslaved to juju that can make me run faster than ussein bolt. All the clowns that think they could slaughter another human being and suddenly blood money get their ideas from your nonsense, just as those xtians that kick their kids out of their homes for being witches get their ideas from xtianity. Whether you think that is truly your religion or not matters not, just as with xtians or muslims and their various factions; silly beliefs garner silly results. You base your philosophy around nonsense then who are you to claim their own version of ifa/etc is not the true version? If your nonsense claims are possible, why not theirs?

The most pervading problem sef is the case of those who do not do any work, rather they sit around waiting for juju to solve various problems and refuse to think. This is likely even worse than the blood rituals etc, which are perpetuated by just a minority. Same thing xtians do by wasting time praying, etc.

If you were simply extracting the useful bits of this philosophy, say the humanistic moral values and what not it'd be a different story, but that's clearly not what you're on about. You're no different from the xtians you deride, and the fundamental ones ie. Just as foo.lish. Also note clearly, secular xtians are a hell of a lot more reasonable then you, as would any secular believers of any of deities, local or otherwise.

What I do subscribe to is the scientific method, simple. Black, white, male, female, young, old, it does not discriminate. It doesn't even care about opinions, deny all you want but well, it's objectively verified. It powers the device you're using to read this post regardless of your m.oronic opinions, unlike your drivel. Please reply me, and everyone reading this post, using jazz. That would shut me up, no?

If anything could make me faster than ussein bolt, ie if it were even possible, it would be discovered in a lab somewhere. Explained coherently as well. Not by your babalawo and his 100N. Only a foo.l would think otherwise, history alone confirms that. But do enjoy your folly.

@folly, as usual you have it backwards. No matter what we tell you you're going to tell us your dolly speaks Yoruba to you. Does that claim sound familiar to you? Not being Jewish does not exclude it from being unadulterated nonsense. Being black does not exclude from being more chimp like than human. I'm beginning to think they use bananas to seal the deal

Anyways I tire of telling you you're in no way atheist. You probably use the tag simply because you think it makes you stand out, which is sad as it shows you're afraid to stand up for your convictions or your chimp like intelligence applies all round. Good to see you've come across a proper atheist involved in spiritual philosophies; Sam Harris. Now please tell me if he believes his statues of the Buddha talk to him

Why are ped.o's very active inside churches?

FOLYKAZE: Yoruba. And you want your machine to speak what it programmer doesn't know? Some people can be so wield.

For 100N I want it to sound like Alex Ferguson or a dubbed chinese film. Either or no show.

Wtf is a wield? You're trying to use big white man's words here?

FOLYKAZE: shift pls. Answer the call or tell us you close minded white man slave.

Answer what you clown? If you're confused about something give your babalawo 100N (so he can satisfy his material needs I suppose..though even a beggar might look at you funny if you give him 100N these days, yet here we have our super duper spiritual scientist.. asking for 100N) so he can wow a baboon like you.

Please come back and post the results though, as I'm likely to find them funny.

And note, bros, when you insinuate simple adherence to logic is the purview of the white man alone you clearly demonstrate you're still a slave. Or you think simple logic is the domain of only the oyinbo? We, black as we are, are incapable? You're willing to accept any nonsense just to prove your 'superiority'?

FOLYKAZE: Atheist especially those on nairaland are people of words. Nigerian atheist only want to appear intelligent and stand out among the crowd. Non of the is ready to walk to talk.

I challenge them all on jazz and all run. Osayin is not harming anybody. Consulting it is not more than 100 naira. What they need to do is communicate with it and see ordinary wood carve in human shape talking. You are free to converse directly with it. I dont know how this harm them but they still run around like baby crying about prove. Now the prove is here, they are still whinning around.

Or make the average man faster than usein bolt.

Would you look at how many gold medals 9ja won at the Olympics. Or perhaps the medals are spiritual as well?

Mr Troll: stop feeling special.

This is what confuses the most. I suppose when a hippie like lb gives her attention it gets to her head. She now has the need to point out she has a car and drives to work......

Black man and 'u know who I be!'

Ishilove: So says the faceless username. Of course you are the expert on brainless tarts, seeing as you are sorrounded by them and most likely will marry one and beget even more. Assshole.

And you are the brainy one here, I suppose? You are lower than the scum I drive through every day to get to work. Hell bound iidiotic reprobate.

Only thing I know for certain is it isn't you. Mere fact you're on the same wavelength as josh confirms that. We don't need to get into the details your usual genius and sunshine

And I would have thought you enjoyed butthurt

Uyi Iredia: That one goes to Joagbaje. Unless . . . Ishilove was among

Well.... She's probably proud of it actually

But on another note, wtf are we in agreement?! Can't you go back to being religious? ~~This is icky~~

Joshthefirst: you know this is not true. I'm a guy you can genuinely trust in this public forum.

My blind alliegance and love for God has made me only have more love for man. Has made me only have others best interests at heart.

I have humanity's best interests at heart. We know the future. We know what is coming. Wrath. Judgement. Hell. We also know Gods love. I know this, that's why I would preach while being insulted and demeaned.

May humanity stop their sins and murders. May people embrace God and his love and not have "the enjoy sex and life mentality" only to reap wages in hell.

Ah, ser josh, I missed this. I also have no idea as to why I'm engaging you. Anyways, as you're clearly turning a blind eye to yahweh's egregious crimes against humanity, you're already against us, see?

You even acknowledge it's blind allegiance, that's good.

macof: Pls address the post

You ask as if the brainless tart has something other than demon possessed children/sms or gossip to offer.

Logicboy03: I love this smoke weed craze babe.

Na them dey fawk d hardest.

Christian my azz.......

Looks more like an atheist troll actually

Then again, there are xtians that foo.lish....

Joshthefirst: nonsense. I would rather justify God than sinful man.

This post here highlights the folly that is religion succinctly. It says it all. In fact, in some contexts you could say it's so silly it's brilliant (just like movies so bad they're good).

It demonstrates where your allegiances are. Not with humanity, rather with your sociopath god.

No atheists in dugouts? Well, I wouldn't want you watching my back if I were in one.

Carry on

Joshthefirst: with her body? Or with a developing human being?

How can you speak like this sir? Sperm cells by themselves cannot develop into human beings. Only after they have fused with the oocyte and become a zygote are they termed developing human beings. Do you support the killing of potential humans?!

Bros, I don't know if you realize what you're doing or if you're simply disingenuous. Look at that bolded word. Look at it well.. Try your very bestesetestest to think about it...

So you're saying a woman not willing to commit to caring for a human being, a huge, HUGE responsibility, should make that potential a reality? Why? I am not willing to get my head chopped off yet I should place my head in a guillotine?

As for your talk of zygotes, again, who are you to decide they are termed human beings? The zygote itself cannot become a human without the mother's resources, just as a sperm cell cannot eventually become a human without resources from the egg. It's.the.very.same thing. Cells, or life (as they are alive) requiring resources to grow into organisms; humans.

And on another note, you do know mother nature, not mothers, is responsible for most zygotes never completing the journey, yes?

Joshthefirst: Do you support the murder of developing human beings simply because they are developing? Growing?

Personally, I don't. What gives you that impression?

Joshthefirst: You would justify their murders simply because they aren't conscious yet? Would you kill your son who's unconscious and in the hospital? Talk less of the child in the womb who is well on the way to consciousness?

Again, wtf do you see human beings being murdered? It's called abort-ion for a reason, yes? One you acknowledge above; they aren't humans yet, simply potential. In fact, you acknowledge it here again, look at the bolded words...

As for your usage of the word "well", well... Do show me how a zygote is capable of becoming human without the woman's body actively building it. Show me a zygote that assembles itself please.

You know what, all those scientists trying to build AI should be jailed once they stop development. How dare they stop developing when it was well on its way to becoming self aware?! Or any scientist daring to clone but aborting for whatever reason, even ethical ones. Actually, all the sperm, eggs, stored in banks etc, those that are discarded.... How dare they?! Ah, stem cells..

Anyways, if you insist on their turning that potential into a reality, then I do hope you take responsibility and adopt all those babies. If you don't, frankly, you're a sick, sadistic bast.ard. Creating humans needlessly to come and suffer and/or wreck lives.

And again, take up the mantle for all those other cells that don't make it to becoming human, eg the sperm cells.

Also, you do realize that brain dead people have their switches pulled, all the time?

Have to get to work...for now..

Joshthefirst: this is an analogy given in the video I posted above:

I'm an engineer, I'm about to demolish a building. I don't know for sure if there's a human being there, but I'll just go ahead and demolish it anyway? What would you advise me to do.

The same way you do not know that set line or boundary.(I'm using your stance)

I do know some things, and very clearly so, one being that there is absolutely no human there. Human beings, among many other things, have brains which they use, sometimes in ingenious ways, to out fox and bully the other species on this rock. Said brains are responsible for a lot of things that constitute the makeup of a human being, eg consciousness. Do show me the zygote's brain.

You are the one who seems to think that a group of cells = a human, yet mysteriously exclude sperm cells from your definition. I'm going to have to ask you why?


Note, I also know that abortion ultimately isn't about this, it's about a woman's right to do as she feels with her body, simple. But I'm indulging you just for now.

Joshthefirst: Is it advisable to kill the baby anyway for selfish reasons?

It is selfish to assume what you regard as selfish is regarded as selfish by everyone else. Very much so. And in case you didn't notice, we aren't talking about babies here, so I fail to see the relevance. But if you want an answer, for reasons I would consider selfish, I would say no obviously.

Joshthefirst: a child is also a developing human being. Developing in the sense of growth.
Who are you to draw that line? To say they have no human life or state the boundary? Are you God?

There's no such thing as skydaddy. Please show me where? And do not try some silly hedging, or are you saying that children are not full human beings? That asides, that's exactly what I'm asking you.

Who are you to state that the zygote is the boundary?