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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 1:29pm On Jul 27, 2015

Weah96:
I have proven my existence with my written comments. I dream when I'm asleep, so maybe that's why my life is not a dream or illusion.
You insist on playing stupid, asking stupid questions, and drawing stupid conclusions. We know what the holy books say about proof, we know how your immature and imaginary God proved himself in the story book to humans. Is the bible real or is it a book of dreams?

Once again, you and your friends are just a bunch of failures....You have all failed just a simple test of your existence huh

...you say my test is stup1d because i make you look stup1d, not because it is illogical.

you all sound empty by continuing to give communication or demonstration proof. Does your brain not tell you that all those actions and more are done in dreams and illusions huh

...

You and all the self acclaimed "atheists" on this thread should hide when formidable atheists are called upon for discussion...
To think that no single one could provide a bright proof of his existence, its a slap on qualitative reasoning..
Even my atheists colleagues will suggest that y'all keep quiet forever on the topic of the universe.

To further show dumb you are, some of you went ahead to ask for my faith before we can logically discuss. knowing fully well that faith "clouds" mental reasoning as you popularly say.

Go and consult you professors in cosmology and phylosophy on human existence, only then can you earn the right to discuss the Holy book with me.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 7:28am On Jul 27, 2015

Weah96:
Mr dreamer. I'm not the one asleep. You are, admittedly
You told me that you're asleep and this shyt ain't real. That's why you won't honor my comments as proof of my existence. You are in a deep sleep.

Your God though is impotent in both sleep and wakefulness. I haven't spoken to him yet. Did you pass my message across?

Maybe you are just slow, point out where i said my life is a dream or quit......I only asked why your life is not an illusion or a dream...and as smart as you and your friends are, you have no reasonable proof of your existence....you should all cover your faces in shame...

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 7:20am On Jul 27, 2015

MrPresident:
dear friend, you have closed this thread.

thanks for the wonderful coherent representation.

his submission is offtrack and contains fallacies. but as usual, you are so much of a believer of atheism that your bias has rendered you blind to others submission.
congrats on your belief.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 7:06pm On Jul 26, 2015

Weah96:
Hidden within the epistle you posted earlier was an unfortunate claim that only a being can be called God, not a super universe. That since God must be a humanoid being, Ocam's razor suggests that we assume the creation stories. That's why you must then describe the God being thingy who you think created the universe. Especially if you're communicating with it in illusions and dreams as you are.

You abandoned your logical argument the minute you became unwilling to acknowledge my existence as a human being or some computer program. Instead you told me that you are in a dream.

None of you have earned the right to discuss that post with me, i posted it because the other guy sounded objective and admitted to the fact that his life might be an illusion.........
If asking you to prove your existence aint logical, then i dont know what is...
with all the proof there seemingly is, you still failed to make any sense..

You are fake again, i hope when you will wake up from your sleep, there will still be time.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 6:58pm On Jul 26, 2015

sportsmaster:
I unfollow this thread with this final quote

DEUTERONOMY29:29:-"the secret things
belong unto the LORD our GOD,but those
things which are REVEALED belong unto
US and OUR CHILDREN for ever,that we
may do all the words of this law" 1coR2:14:-"But the natural man receives
not the things of the SPIRIT OF GOD;FOR
THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS unto him,neither
CAN HE KNOW THEN,because they are
spiritually discerned"
2cor4:3:-"if our gospel br hid,IT IS HID to
them that are LOST,
4In whom the god of this world(the devil)
has blinded their minds who believe
not,lest the light of the glorious gospel of
Christ who is the Image of God,should shine unto them".

SELAH.

Thanks my brother, i hope they find a reason for their existence, and in the process, find God.

1 timothy 4;1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, throughw the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 6:46pm On Jul 26, 2015

Weah96:
Don't be confused. I never told you that I was dreaming. Unlike yourself, I don't drink alcohol with any serious frequency.

You're the one moving the goalposts back and forth. You don't have a clue about the atheist argument. All you're doing here is making long what should be a very short discussion.

Name your God and let's go from there. God is a loose and ambiguous description of anything. Quit pretending that you are in a dream. The bible, koran, and talmud didn't say that we are dreaming.

" Name your God and lets go from there"..... this is very disgraceful man.
i have to name my God before we can reason critically....Y'all are confused because i ddnt give you the argument you were expecting...Im not stup1d, you are only confused..

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 6:40pm On Jul 26, 2015

menesheh:
The write-up is too long. I prefer consice comments.

Then more power to your sloopy life.....Call yourselves together and solve my one riddle that you and your friends sound stup1d about....
im sure you'll comfort yourselves in your make-believe.
farewell.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 6:26pm On Jul 26, 2015

Weah96:
Now you're the one making the assumptions. Dreams occur to most humans naturally during the period known as REM sleep. I promised to interview the God there if you can be so kind as to set up an interview. The God is unwilling to show up here on the message board, or in person.

You are espousing solipsism, an idea which runs contrary to what is found in the Abrahamic religions. Allah and Yahweh were public demonstrators, and there was no indication that anyone was sleeping or in a dream.

naah, dont be lazy..You accepted my opinion and i went further to worsen your accident by asking you to prove it.......
If i sound solipsist, why do you care huh

why not just cut the crap and give me your logical reasons...
this is it!!!, your hearts have been hardened in your belief, unfortunately you dont see it.
have a nice life

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Exist? If He Does How True Is It by winner01(m): 4:21pm On Jul 26, 2015

Wizpa:
Still expecting a better answer

www.nairaland.com/2474302/most-committed-atheists-once-chtistians

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 4:16pm On Jul 26, 2015

sportsmaster:
I think the last thing i want to do on this forum is argue or try to explain bible topics to unbelievers.
This is a discerning advice @ winner01.
No matter how many times you try to explain or prove them wrong,they will not accept.They keep going round in circles.
Just like an INFINITE LOOP in C++.

We need you to explain some edifiying bibles subjects and not waste your time with these Guys.

Ill leave them in their folly very soon, none of them seem to be able to catch up anyway...

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 4:10pm On Jul 26, 2015

Thoniameek:
They're really making you go in circles with them

They just keep going over what has already been said, thereby getting themselves confused which has no end

It then becomes an absurd circle

Ill actually quit the argument when i get a cue, they seem intelligent but f00lishness is what comes out of their mouths. I have proven that the life of anyone who does not believe in God is already in confusion.....that is why they kept asking for my religion

Religion is their tool for attacking a theist, when it comes to common sense, only very few of them are objective.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 3:59pm On Jul 26, 2015

menesheh:
Not really. The reasons why you are presuming that we hate christian god is that we talk about Christianity pretty much. we are born into the faith and know much about it. Most atheist you see here on nairaland were once christians or lived in christian areas and are most familiar with the bible, so they engage you based on what they know.
Muslims atheist attack more of islam, in fact i think muslims atheist attack mostly Muslims, you wish to take it personal

johnydon22 said the same thing earlier and i corrected it...There is no such thing as muslim atheist or christian atheist...Atheists, even if born into religion dont believe in it so why choose to attack a particular God.
The spirit actually knows the Truth about God even if the flesh acts stubborn and cocky and so it tends to manifest its evil through the flesh.......Many atheists irregardless of initial belief, believe that the christian God is the worst of all, the reason is crystal clear for those who are mentally sound.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 3:50pm On Jul 26, 2015

Weah96:
OK, I will. Now can you go to the dream or the illusion where you talk to this God and tell him to come to my own dream or illusion? Leave the the proof business to me.

Tell him to forget real life, ignore the cancer wards with the small children, I'm taking dreams and illusions at this point.

Even though you have accepted the fact that your life is an illusion, You still havent proven to me the fact that your life is an illusion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 3:46pm On Jul 26, 2015

Great, now that you have in a way earned my attention on religion. Lets reason.

Detecting the non-physical force; You guys have been battling with my take on the non-physical ( e.g feelings, illusions, affection) from the begining this topic alone, You have had little to no idea on this issue. And i dont blame you either, human reasoning walls are broken when it comes to this.
Real atheists usually become mute when this topic is raised. They look deceived and become unimaginably stup1d when they go ahead to accept the idea of attitude, consciousness and all forms of non-physical forces...

The lifetime of a human is extremely short to actually know about a fraction of the universe. take for instance the cosmological constant which was discovered late in the last century. Studies continue to add up to our existing knowledge about the universe and contrasting sources show that its makeup is extremely unlikely.

The big bang theory; Which states that the universe arose from a singularity of virtually no size, which gave rise to the dimensions of space and time, in addition to all the matter and energy it will ever need. At the beginning of the Big Bang, the fundamental forces began to separate from each other. Early in its history in milliseconds, the universe underwent a period of short, but dramatic, hyper-inflationary expansion. The cause of this inflation is unknown, but was required for life to be possible in the universe. The atheists are so engrossed in their belief that they become apprehensive of the fact that the big bang could have been a response to a supreme command. They are also apprehensive of the fact that it is presently logically impossible for light to beget life.

But the universe is so enormous compared to the size of our Solar System. Isn't the immense size of the universe evidence that humans are really insignificant, i mean contradicting the idea that a God concerned with humanity created the universe? It turns out that the universe could not have been much smaller than it is in order for nuclear fusion to have occurred during the first 3 minutes after the Big Bang. Without this brief period of nucleosynthesis, the early universe would have consisted entirely of hydrogen. Likewise, the universe could not have been much larger than it is, or life would not have been possible. If it was, the universe would have collapsed before life was possible. How conveniently coincidental for the atheist to believe that the universe is exactly the size it must be for life to exist at all.

Recently i read that quarks and antiquarks combine to annihilate each other. Originally, it was expected that the ratio of quarks and antiquarks to be exactly equal to one, since neither would be expected to have been produced in preference to the other. If the ratio were exactly equal to one, the universe would have consisted solely of energy which is obviously not conducive to the existence of life. However, this just pushes fine tuning a level down to ask why quarks display the masses they have. Those masses must be fine tuned in order to achieve a universe that contains any matter at all.
Why isn’t the cosmos a sea of bland radiation? This is the question that would have followed if you actually answered my question on your existence. The triumph of matter suggests that the laws of physics are just biased.

Cosmologists assume that the universe could have evolved in any of a number of ways, and that the process is entirely random. Based upon this assumption, nearly all possible universes would consist solely of thermal radiation (no matter). Of the tiny subset of universes that would contain matter, a small subset would be similar to ours. A very small subset of those would have originated through inflationary conditions. Therefore, universes that are conducive to life "are almost always created by fluctuations into these 'miraculous' states," according to atheist cosmologist (Dr. L. Dyson, 2002). How convenient is it for the atheist to believe that a random process can make intelligent exceptions in fluctuations to favour an habitable environment.

Many atheists now believe in the multi-universe theory. This theory requires one to believe that there are more universes in existence than the number of all the subatomic particles that exist in our universe.
Our universe just happened to be one of the few that is able to support life. Here is what a recent article from Science says about this hypothetical "multiverse" spinning off an "infinity" of other universes:
"Uncomfortable with the idea that physical parameters are simply lucky accidents, some cosmologists, including Hawking, have suggested that there have been an infinity of big bangs going off in a larger 'multiverse,' each with different values for these parameters. Only those values that are compatible with life could be observed by beings such as ourselves."
Now what scientific evidence exists to support the multiverse model huh

None!! Not only is there no evidence, the physics of our own universe requires that we will never be able to obtain any evidence about any other universe (even if it does exist). Even some science websites admit that such ideas amount to nothing more than unfalsifiable metaphysics:
Hear Paul Davies' take: "Whether it is God, or man, who tosses the dice, turns out to depend on whether multiple universes really exist or not. If instead, the other universes are relegated to ghost worlds, we must regard our existence as a miracle of such improbability that it is scarcely credible."...

On the other hand, the theist says that God designed the universe with just the right laws of physics.
Note that neither the multiverse nor the "God hypothesis" is testable. However, the "God hypothesis" is much simpler. The naturalistic explanation requires the presence of a complicated, unproved super universe that has the capacity to randomly spew out an infinite number of universes with different laws of physics.
How does this hypothetical super universe know how to do this huh

Why would it even want to do this huh

Ultimately, why should there be any universe at all huh

None of these questions are logically explained by naturalism. Only an intelligent Being would be motivated and expected to produce any kind of universe such as what we see.
If we use Occam's razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon, then common sense would eliminate the super universe/ multi-universe explanation in favor of the simpler God-designed universe model.
The evidence for design in the universe and biology is so strong that Antony Flew , a long-time proponent of atheism, renounced his atheism in 2004 and now believes that the existence of a Creator is required to explain the universe and life in it. Likewise, Frank Tipler, A Professor of the Department of Mathematics at Tulane University, and a former atheist, not only became a theist, but is now a born-again Christian because of the laws of physics.

Finally, a common objection to the "God hypothesis" is the problem of how God came to be. If everything has a cause, why does God get an exception huh

The problem with such reasoning is that it assumes that time has always existed. In reality, time is a construct of this universe and began at the initiation of the Big Bang. A God who exists outside the time constraints of the universe is not subject to cause and effect. So, the idea that God has always existed and is not caused follows logically from the fact that the universe and time itself was created at the Big Bang. The Bible makes these exact claims - that God has always existed and that God created time, along with the entire universe, being described as an expanding universe.
So, an atheist who claims to live by logic and evidence cannot arbitrarily assign eternity to a universe that is clearly temporal.
Now, its not like God has left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that tells us that God is real and created the universe. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth . In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes...
Remove sentiments and see the picture mr menesheh.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 10:46pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
LOL, are you a solipsist? Only a solipsist will say that he's dreaming here. Ha-ha-ha. This is not a dream, BTW. I carry a totem with me, like DiCaprio in the movie Inception. If you're an honest person, you would say the truth. But you also claim to talk to God, so I don't expect you to come close to anything called truth.

BTW, I will accept a deliberate illusion or a good dream at this point. How come the God cannot come in an illusion or dream? Even that is beyond him too?

Stop putting your words in my mouth mr weah96, you are saying things i never said....If you accept a deliberate illusion or dream, then you still have to prove it to me...

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 10:41pm On Jul 25, 2015

menesheh:
I've answered that question b4,

I don't know. Do you know?

Are you a Christian? Just wanna ask you some questions!

Haha.........You have no clue of your existence...Thats some serious sh*t.

Now that you have vividly run out of logical ideas, then i can talk faith. And that is even subject to your objectivity.
I am a child of God, give your questions.

Christianity Etc › Re: Share Your Testimonies: Before And After SALVATION by winner01(m): 10:27pm On Jul 25, 2015

sportsmaster:
Pra-pra-praise the Lord!!
Ha-ha-hallelujah!

Hallelujah to the king....Ill like your views on this topic sportsmaster

www.nairaland.com/2474302/most-committed-atheists-once-chtistians

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 10:22pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
You don't know me. You only know that I must be a human being or a very intelligent A.I. system. Those are your choices. In that case, anything I say to you on this forum and through the medium of cyberspace is sufficient proof that you're communicating with a human or AI who uses the moniker WEAH96.

Ask me to do something an ordinary human will do. For example, create another username of your choosing and show up in this thread with it. We will keep the mods aware since sockpuppetry is against the rules.

Now, if you still insist that the proof is insufficient, then I must make you aware that we could arrange a similar experiment for whichever personal God you follow. I'm willing to accept the insufficient evidence, provided the God is talking or typing here.

Not so fast mister...Communication is a very shallow proof to provide of your existence...Lets think out of the box here......Dont you communicate with other humans in dreams and illusions huh

......Whatever you think you can do as a proof can also be done in an illusion...

When you give me a substantial proof, then you will see my standpoint on the existence of the Creator

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 10:06pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
Stone books that predate the bible aren't allowed? Do you want me to summon dead witnesses from antiquity? I'm afraid that the deed is beyond my present abilities.

I apologize for making unnecessary assumptions. I was under the impression that you came from the school of thought which presupposes a divine origin of morality. My bad.

You're quite correct with your views on morality though. However, that's the reason why civilized societies have laws which are all based on a positive interpretation of the Golden Rule.

"Civilized societies" are grossly unfair and tyrannical to enforce primitive laws down the throats of the populace....A general concensus should be reached, only then can we have fairness and equity in a "civilized society" .

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 10:01pm On Jul 25, 2015

menesheh:
Am an atheist, which my claims do you want substantiation?

proof of your existence.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 9:53pm On Jul 25, 2015

menesheh:
BOLDED : That why am concerned and continue asking you about your faith so that we can narrow it down. But you seems not proud with your religion

Dont ask me about my faith, instead give me reasonable arguments to substantiate your claims and then we can narrow that down.
How has my pride become your concern, lol
man up, you are not talking with a kid

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 9:30pm On Jul 25, 2015

menesheh:
If not your faith and religion, what are logiking about bruh?

we are "logiking" about the existence of God....and last i checked, faith and religion "clouds" our opinion on the topic of the existence of the Universe, at least as the atheist believe.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 9:12pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
The ancient Egyptians didn't call their moral guideline Golden Rule. The term was coined by Christians in reference to the Sermon on the Mount.

My question is, since morality had a divine origin, according to you, where did the ancient Egyptians get their "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you" from? They wrote down that code 2000 years before Jesus arrived with his own.

Mr man give me concrete evidence of the existence of the golden rule before the Bible...And dont come at me with some ancient stone age books...

You are asking and answering your own questions, how absurd.....I never said morality had a divine origin, you did......Im arguing that logically, there is no such thing as morality.

Quit trying to slot in religion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 9:06pm On Jul 25, 2015

menesheh:
You seems not proud with your faith menn.

Now hopefully, you are under the umbrella of yahweh cum jesus mary right?

You are funny...how convenient for you to say that im not proud of my faith when you have little or no idea of your existence...

This is a logical discussion, why are you people trying to forcibly slot in religion.
I guess ive exhausted your logical ideas so much that you have to resort to religion. its a shame.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 8:17pm On Jul 25, 2015

menesheh:
Menesheh : what's the evidence

Which of the god claims do you belong?

The God of the gospel of Truth....

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 8:12pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
Wait, are you not a follower of the biblical Jesus? He also copied the Golden Rule in his sermon on the mountain. Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31. It can also be found in Lev. Chapter 19 verses 18 and 34.

I'm sorry if you don't believe in it. This Christianity business must be a new thing for you.

Its fruitless argueing with you...Why have you forcibly bring an "ancient Bible" into a logical arguement. You started off on this thread with logic, why then do you want to forcibly introduce the Holy Bible into this debate.
I guess its because you were expecting me to use that tactic in this debate, but you are dissapointed because i didnt. Now you want to subtly coerce me into using that same tactic.
Sorry to burst your bubbles sir, ill still maintain my ground.

Your ancient golden rule does not appeal to me. Im apprehensive out things outside the Truth even if they sound similar...

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 7:29pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
The Golden rule predates your bible. Where did it come from since human beings would kill their mothers and rape babies if left to their own devices? You're welcome to use your bible and explain the origin of the Golden rule which predates Jesus by 2000 years.

Im getting tired of your arguements because its like you are trying to lead me in your circles. How could you ask me where the golden rule comes from when i dont even believe in such nonsense...

Does it not even sound to you like some ancient doctrine. Oh How much you have held on to your opinion that it has become a belief.
Congratulations, you are now a "believer".

Christianity Etc › Re: Share Your Testimonies: Before And After SALVATION by winner01(m): 7:19pm On Jul 25, 2015

sportsmaster:
Before i got saved,i never used to attend churches,for about 5-7 Years i never attended any church, apart from when I was a child when i used to go to the children's church where we were given buscuits,candies and all,even when i joined NL,i wasn't yet saved,(trust me,You dont wanna see the kind of threads i used to "operate" before i got saved).
I got saved 2014,i cant really remember the exact date.thats maybe a year plus,

it was my a friend of mine that preached to me,and i was receptive.i believed the Gospel and that was all .

But thank God.that he has made an able minister of Gospel,He has enabled to even preach and teach others.by His grace,i have ministered to the sick,also by his grace,I am a STEWARD of the manifold grace of God.

Glory and Honor be to HIM forever and ever AMEN.

Share your own experiences too and lets Glorify God.

Cc Gombs,Joagbaje,OLAADEGBU,Malvisguy212,scholar8200,winner01,emusan,emasun,truthman,vooks and every believer on NL.

SELAH.

I bless God for your life my brother. After having backsliding problems for some years, i decided to focus on knowing more of God. And till date He has been faithful. I have found a friend in Him.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 7:02pm On Jul 25, 2015

Jeromejnr:
I dunno why you're wasting your time with this guys o.

No matter how you try to convince them logically they won't still listen.

I have learnt its only God that can bring people to Him. And if that doesn't happen there's no way any human can reveal God to anyone. One thing they can't understand is that God has this character in Himself that is pleased by faith (Seeing before believing). They will give you all sort of why's.

It s only a few that has had opportunity to see before they believe. But nobody can make God do that, He owns the rules and does as it pleases Him.

I was once like them in some ways. But thank God for who I am now.

Thank God for your life mr jeromejnr, i hope they get to tell the same story before time runs out on them.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 6:58pm On Jul 25, 2015

Weah96:
Ever heard of the Golden Rule? It predates Jesus and Christianity by at least 2000 years. It predates Confucius. Do unto others... Where did it come from? Did the ancient Egyptians learn it from their God?

Dont present to me primitive evidence if you dont want me to use a Bible....
I guess it came from "stone age men", so your premise is dead on arrival if you intend to use that in the agruement of a smarter population.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Most Committed Atheists Were Once Chtistians (opinion?) by winner01(op): 6:53pm On Jul 25, 2015

Amhappy:
Noted. I can see u are taking the heat.I think these atheists are the one bringing that description. I just think it is a bid to limit God and is kind of derogatory.

Im sorry for sounding hostile...These ones are not really atheists jare, they are just anti-theists/God-haters

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