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donnffd:
I disagree, First, complexity of something doesnt mean it was designed (an example would be Life).

Second, how can you assume a conscious creator for the universe when you have a sample of just one. its like seeing one snowflake and because of its beautifully structured crystalline shape assume that it was designed by a conscious creator. The argument doesnt hold, you would need to have a larger sample before claiming such a claim

So snowflakes are as complex as all we see around us?
Why do you people choose simple occurences like sand dunes and snow flakes to discredit God's infinite power?

donnffd:
First off, i did not declare that there was not an intelligence before the universe neither did i say there was...My answer has always been "I dont Know" because i have no evidence to make a declaration.

You are the one declaring intelligence and that is an extraordinary claim, and you would agree, extraordinary claims deserves extraordinary evidence.

@ the bolded? Are you thinking freely or regurgitating lines made by atheist high priests?

KingEbukasBlog:
This is your fifth account - you want to give a semblance of a growing community

Your other accounts are Elohim1 , Amenra , Amenra1 , EyeHateGod

cc : Naijadeyhia , winner01

The desperation is real

Deicide:
Are U this foolish or what? How many time are U gonna be educated on this? Who said Atheist don't have faith?

Oh, thats a new one

donnffd:
You tend to project your own religiousness on atheists, and thinking we have an authority we must surely adher to...sorry to burst your bubbles, it doesnt walk like that. .

I dont think decide here seems to agree with you

Deicide:
Well said bro at least winner01 stiil have hope But this one........

What is hope? and how is it different from faith?
Do you just use words that betray your logic?

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FearGodAndLive:
You're just a silly child, it's futile to engage you in any sort of rational discussion, cos you end up learning nothing. You're so blinded by your convictions, you're gradually turning into a self-Styled God-protector.
Iirc, in the discussion we had, you mentioned African tribes were guilty of child killing. I asked you what you meant by African tribes, and also provided an example of Ifa, the Yoruba religion that deifies twins.
In fact, it was you who was forced to use your legs and chase yourself out of the thread, when it was revealed that you have no idea or knowledge of any African philosophy.
What you lack in knowledge, you make up for in pride, and when creativity meets ignorance, all it does is produce beautiful nonsense. Just like you and your friends do a daily basis.
I hop you will one day learn we are all humans in this experience, and whatever ideology we follow shouldnt be one based on demonising others.

Can you make a simple point?

Weah96:
I thought the question was rhetorical. My existing trove of knowledge was attained in myriad ways. Studying, accident, experiences.

accidents are also experiences.

Now if older experiences of people were not documented and made available, do you think your experience is sufficient to survive in this world?.

Weah96:
The designer has rules? How do you know?

You failed to answer my question bro.

How do you know all you jnow currently?
That will lead us to the answer to your question.

FearGodAndLive:
I come here to learn, not to be correct. It's a habit you might find useful.

You?
Come here to learn?

Does learning now have a different meaning?

FearGodAndLive:
You're Nigerian. Waht do you know about a beautiful world? Even butterflies don't smile in Nigeria.

lol.
E go beta when we decided to stand up to our thieving government.

donnffd:
Many atheists i know, say there is no evidence for all the Gods put forward in all of human history and so they cannot believe in such Gods.

That is why we keep asking for evidence, and until reasonable evidence is provided, we suspend all beliefs indefinitely...

This is not true. This position was made by atheists high priests and has since been parrotted by other atheists to sound reasonable. It is not true. Atheism is usually referred to as a lack of belief in the existence of God/gods.
The modication you've given to it suits agnosticism at best.

Weah96:
So apply the analogy to the universe. You and I have stumbled on the universe, and you're already handing me a manual( book) from the person who designed it. Where did you meet the creator for it to give you a book?

How is the designer related to the book you're selling?

How do you know all you know currently?

Weah96:
So why are you trying to sell the gospel god as the unknown creator without evidence? It's one thing to say that the universe has a designer(s), it's quite another to say that the designer used to live in the middle east last year before he was executed.
You begin to lose credibility the more you fill those gaps with information.

The problem with you is simple. You know God exists, but you want it to stop at that. You dont want to be "bound" by His rules and regulations.
lol.

If you will spend your time searching for Who this really God is and not just discard all attempts to definitely point you to him, you'll arrive at your answer sooner.

FearGodAndLive:
How? And it's fun watching y'all have fun with the atheist persona you.have created in your mind. It's funny.
Atheists are this, atheists are that. Lol. Atheists are evil and sick. Atheists are violent and murdered Europeans. Atheist Atheists are communists.I wonder how many 'atheist' murder Africans daily? By denying people like you and Kingebukasblog basic education and power for example.
Because education expands the mind, takes your eyes to places where your tiny feet can't reach, places beyond the cross of Calvary, where it seems your curiosity has been arrested.

It is up to you to do with your life what you want to.. you are only disciplies of a dying religion.

Basic education created the beaitiful world we have today, it created most of the fields of science we have today, It is the reason you wish to hijack it to sound reasonable.

MutantMetahuman:
This guy is really obsessed with atheism

Its like atheists took his wife or something

Over 193 topics and 190 are based on atheist ..


Shouldn't you be preaching to the lost souls Instead of trying to convince people that atheism is bad.

No matter how hard you troll, enlightenment will always beat ediocy

It doesnt matter of i open 400 threads on atheism.

Its my leisure, not yours.

Someone with the moniker EyehatGod opened a thread on christianity this morning, I didnt see you there to tell him this bs.

Im preaching to souls that might be lost through the deliberate intentions of this section of the forum. Its no use uprooting a tree from the apex.

This so called "enlightenment has been beating ediocy" since the 5th century, when exactly do you intend to outgrow your fight?

donnffd:
I obviously cant infer the purpose of the op, i only seem to notice that it doesnt logically relates to Atheism.

If i see a paint, i cant say it appeared there over millions of years, Fine, Now how does that leads or relate to "I have no evidence for a deity, so i suspend all beliefs in it"

There is a clear difference between suspension and lack my brother.
Dont attempt to modify foolishness.

Weah96:
So Scott Wade also created the universe and wrote the gospel?

Or are saying that we should adopt the gospel because an unknown Scott Wade type artist may have designed the universe?

No, this is just an analogy, that intelligence begets creative design. All reality has continued to show us is that design is true.

When you acknowledge the obvious design, then all other things may just fall in place.

naijadeyhia:
.oya tell us what you think the thread is all about.

Whatever you say we will follow

You wan finish am be that

FearGodAndLive:
No. I popped up in this world just like you. I will die soon just like you. I will experience happiness, joy, sorrow, pain just like you. Coming wasn't a choice I made, hopefully leaving won't be mine.

Unlike you, I'm not that self-conceited to believe this world was specially created for me. I make no claims to have ever met a Creator - there's clearly none in sight. All we see is what we experience.

Even if I should accept there is a Creator, you must realize that history is littered with the corpses of dead Gods. The one you worship, is one of the most recent. Time will take care of Him too.

Have fun, Jewish African.

You have negated all you wrote with your last statement. The problem is that your conscience wont let you allow him have fun.

There is a purpose to this world. Thats why we value truth, thats why no one lives life like it does not matter. That purpose is imprinted on our minds no matter how much you deny it.

You are here because it matters. If you were sincere with your stand, then truth or falsehood wont matter to you. But it matters because you have a purpose, a meaning.

This world is meaningful, humans are meaningful beings, that is enough proof for the existence of a Creator.

naijadeyhia:
You have just been told that this is not an attack and you still say it is?

Uncertainty Bro graduating to Insecurity.

donnffd:
is this an attack on evolution?

If it is, then all i can say is that NOONE CLAIMS EVOLUTION IS BY RANDOM CHANCE, and anyone who does, doesnt know what evolution is all about...

Its not an attack on evolution.

naijadeyhia:
Did i just read that?

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Reminds one of 1 Corinthians 1:18-31


[b]18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.[/b]

Good one.

They know this things, they realize the foolishness of most of the theories of what they believe. They just dont acknowledge it.

They are only trying to subdue their conscience and teach their minds not to believe in God. Its sad.

The devil is one hell of a basta*d.

KingEbukasBlog:
Apparently , Atheism has a problem with religion and not God's existence . God exists indeed but atheists have a problem with how this entity is portrayed by religion .

Watch how they'll inundate this thread with memes on religion without questioning the rationale behind God's existence

To the haters , Nice thread bro

Lol.

God will be even when they are no more. Its a waste of time to fight yourself.

thanks bro.

naijadeyhia:
I sometimes wonder if i am even okay by trying to argue with an atheist because nature has been doing that longer than i have in detail and with images yet they fail to see and accept.

Exactly'
They can't be argued into the kingdom, Nature is doing that job perfectly.

Their minds just need to be quickned once in a while, and the minds of those who are dying slowly in the faith as a result of their actions.

Thanks Bro.

FearGodAndLive:
That something sounds 'foolish' doesn't mean it is necessarily false.

Golden'

analice107:
You want proof on tape? Did you watch the YouTube videos Winner01 posted or you need more? Are you for real?

Can't you see this line is too rusty? Shouldn't you try something else?
Satan has been asking this same question from the beginning, you his stooges have been on it too. It's becoming too much of a cliche.

YAHWEH can't be brought to a context with Satan. They are not competing for anything.
Besides, if there was to be a contest, we call it, not you, "We" don't take instructions from lower beings. You can't summon the Only Potentate, Dem never born you.

*To Satan*
Keep pushing, but those who know you, recognises you. You speak with the voice of hahn and the rest here, saying the same thing, applying the same tactics, from generation to generation, but your voice never changes. "We" know who you are.

The ignorant will fall into your lies, but those in the Light won't. You are a master of Pride, you hope we would lay down our guard and allow pride into us and be moved to try to proof anything thereby Sinning. No We won't.

To the ignorant onlooker it may seem as though you are winning, then win.
But deep down you know you've lost, because you failed to achieve your aim.
You lose, that's why your servants can't rest. That's why you can't rest.

Jesus doesn't join words with demons in a contest. Your servants doesn't know this, but you do. You keep pushing them on, and ignorantly they they fall to your whims.

To hahn- I am the proof you need. But like Winner01 said, even if it happens right in front of you, the demon in you will still dictate to you what you should believe.

hahn, you were in NL before I did, and since then, it's been "There's no God". "Show me any evidence that there is".
Aren't you convinced of that fact all this year's?
How long will it take for you to be convinced that here's no God?

Wait, do you think that saying it continuously will annihilate God?
Do you need a psychiatrist? because, I perceive a retardation.

No material can serve as proof enough to them. If Hahn gets proof, cloudgoddess may probably say he's hallucinating, dalaman may say he's deluded etc. They will always find a way to explain it away.

They are actually not the enemies, thats why we need to pray for them.

Diagoras of Melos and his cohorts waged the same war against God in the 5th century, today (21st century) his descendants are still trying to eradicate the God that created them.
Its not that they merely lack a belief, its a deliberate battle with their conscience - if not , most of them wouldn't care about the beliefs of others.

God bless you Sis, lets just include them in our prayers.

analice107:
Something has to be wrong with atheists. Do they watch all these videos yet till say there's no God? Ah, Satan...

Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 2 Cor. 4:4

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Tony Miano gives a short illustration on the foolishness of atheism:



"Last year I attended the Santa Clarita Street Art Festival, with my brother-in-law, nieces, and nephews. During that time, I was blessed to distribute about four hundred gospel tracts to members of my community.

Some very talented artists were on-hand for this year's festival--chalk artists, musicians, a professional drum corps, and more. There were even some artists who used Post-its to create a picture of Bugs Bunny and Road Runner.

One of the most interesting displays of artistic talent was the Dirty Car Art, by Scott Wade.
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Amazing what an intelligent and creative mind can do with a car, some dust, and a brush.
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How ignorant it would have been for me to walk up to Scott Wade and say, "How long did it take those detailed images to spontaneously appear in the dust, on your car? It must have taken billions of years!"
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How ridiculous it would have been for me to ask Mr. Wade why he was taking credit for creating the images on his dirty car, when it was obvious that they simply appeared by chance. A little dust, a little wind, a little time and, voila!
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Wade had a notebook on a table of many of the dirty car images he has created over the years. They were extraordinary.

How foolish and insulting it would have been for me to tell the artist that I didn't believe he created the images; even though I had a piece of dirty car art right in front of me, which provided ample evidence for the authenticity of the other images in the notebook.
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In fact, I don't think any atheist would have approached Mr. Wade and made such ridiculous assertions.
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Yet, sadly, in a futile attempt to sear and blind their own conscience, and in order to deny what they already know in their heart and mind; the atheist makes similar ridiculous arguments against the existence of God and His creative power. Claiming to be wise, they have become fools (Romans 1:22).

The atheist wouldn't think of committing intellectual suicide and setting themselves up for embarrassment by suggesting to a human artist that their artwork occurred as a result of coincidental and random actions performed by mindless, independent elements. Yet, the atheist commits intellectual suicide every day. No, instead, the atheist, like any reasonable person, would compliment Mr. Wade for his amazing artwork.

So, why does the atheist violate his or her own conscience and deny what they know in their heart is true? The sad and simple truth is that they love their sin and, therefore, try as hard as they can to suppress the truth about God and His creation, by their unrighteousness.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:18-22).

Yes, Scott Wade is an amazing artist. But God's amazing and detailed design of the Universe makes Mr. Wade's artwork seem like a toddler's fingerpainting.

And it is this amazing, powerful, supremely intelligent Creator that each and every one of us will one-day stand before and give an account for our lives. When that great and terrible day comes, because God is good, He is going to judge each of us according to the perfect, moral standard of His Law. If we've ever lied, stolen, taken His name in vain, He will find us guilty of breaking His Law. And because God is good, He must punish our sin; and the punishment God has ascribed for sin is eternity in Hell.

But God is also merciful, loving, and kind in that He provided one way to escape that punishment; and that was through the gift of His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ: fully-God and fully-Man, without sin. He died a horrible, bloody death on the cross that He did not deserve in order to take upon Himself the punishment we rightly deserve for our sins against God. And then three days later He forever defeated sin and death when He rose from the grave.

What God requires of you and me is that we repent--that we turn from our sin, and by faith and by faith alone, receive Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

So, please, repent and believe the gospel while God has given you time.

I know a number of atheists will read this blog post. Of course, some of them will be incensed that I dare to question their intelligence or, at the very least, their common sense. I don't think atheists are stupid. Not at all. They are merely and tragically self-deceived. And I no more want an atheist to perish in their sin than I would want that for any other lost person.

The foolishness of atheism is as foolish as denying that Scott Wade is a talented artist. Repent and believe the gospel while God has given you time.


source: http://www.onthebox.us/2011/09/twitteneutics-day-5.html?m=1

KingEbukasBlog:
Nah . He can't see it because he is an atheist

How do people just live in constant hate Beats me.
Such Atheists got to be the most miserable people on the planet.

ok