₦airaland Forum

DeepSight:
It will not surprise me if you are preparing to announce yourself as Jesus Christ.

I didn't realise I was arguing with an IPOB youth, taken in by IPOB propaganda. So after the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, the Jews moved south, they crossed through Egypt, traversed the whole of Egypt, then Sudan, crossed the Sahara unto Chad, then entered Nigeria, and moved straight to Abakiliki or is in Nsuka? So, where is your evidence of igbos along all these routes? Abi dem no leave records or evidence? The Jews left Turkey, Rome and Europe and moved enmass into the Sahara desert to land in the centre of igboland. Grand delusion.

MrPresident1:
Wirinet and DeepSight

You both know that the greatest men in the world and in all of history are all born by virgins. Yet you came to my thread to discuss science and DNA, this is deceitful and dishonest, and dishonourable of both of you.

The kings of Egypt were born by virgins. The kings of Babylon were born by virgins, Dionysus, Horus, Buddha etc were all reputed to have been born by virgins, you know this, yet especially you DeepSight have always deceitfully and dishonourably called out and argued the possibility of this truth.

If Pharaoh was born by the virgin of Egypt, and Nebuchadnezzar was born by the virgin of Babylon, why do you find it difficult to believe that the greatest of them all, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, was born by the virgin Mary?

I have pointed out that Pharaoh is not a person but a title. It's the title for King, just like Oba in Yoruba or Eze in Igbo. Egypt had many many Kings before the last Pharaoh - Cleopatra VII was defeated and forced to commit suicide by Augustus Caesar.
Saying Pharaoh was born of a virgin is absolute nonsense. Egypt was a highly patriarchal society before the ptolemiac dynasty was established by Alexander the Great. Succession was strictly hereditary. The first male child almost always inherit the throne. How can a fatherless child of a woman become the Pharaoh?

MrPresident1:
What story was invented? Rome is still out there, and the real Jews who are in Africa suffering like animals are still waiting for their mighty King to come and deliver them from the hands of Rome and her daughters and her dogs.

Rome did not die, Rome morphed into something not easily recognizable for the sleeping but easy recognizable for the awakened

The Jews are living in Africa, the Bible says that God will recall them from beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. And going on before them is their mighty King Jesus Christ.

The Jewish are not the Jews of the Bible.

How can the real Jews or should I say Israelites come from Africa. Are you aware that the original Israelites were one of the canaanite tribes of which they were many. Are you aware that the God "El", after which Isra-EL, Gabri-EL and Micha-EL was named after was a canaanite God? Are you now insinuating that Canaan was in Africa?

DeepSight:
Wirinet come and see how they have interpreted your comment oh.

My brother I tire for interpretation or should I say comprehension. I wrote and I quote:

Infact numerous great political or religious figures in the ancient world was attributed virgin birth. E bi like say bastards who rose to prominence in the ancient world were attributed virgin births.

and someone interpreted it to mean " all the great people who have walked this earth were born by virgins."
Religion seems to destroy frontal lobe of the brain, which is responsible for reasoning.

Breaker001:
This understanding is what has helped you to carry out "over 400 surgeries" successfully, and you will keep doing more. The grace of God continue to remain with you 🙏

Which kind surgery? Teeth extraction and implants. The doctor or should I say dentist must be mediocre

iHart:
You have not met people who are extremist. The Doctor can say his prayer silently. In some developed country, if you try it, you may lose your licence.

If you try that shit in the UK, and you are reported to the NHS, you will lose your licence.

MrPresident1:
Why can't you ask the question by yourself?

Do you know that Pharaoh the king of Egypt is also bon by the virgin of Egypt?

Which of the pharaohs, Egypt has had many pharaohs.
Then no be only pharaohs dem say was born by a virgin o, virgin birth yapa for ancient myths. Even in the same bible Melchizedek, was said to have been born by a virgin Sofonim. Buddha was said to have been born by a virgin. Others are Horus, Krishna, Buddha, Dionysus, etc. Even Romulus and Remus who founded Rome was said to have been born by a virgin. Infact numerous great political or religious figures in the ancient world was attributed virgin birth. E bi like say bastards who rose to prominence in the ancient world were attributed virgin births.

DeepSight:
Science.

Ask am this question. If scientists happen to stumble upon the body or any physical item of Jesus, and carry out a DNA analysis, will it contain only 23 chromosomes? Or it will have Mary's full set of 46 chromosome. But then, if he only had Mary's full set of chromosomes, the question will then be where did he obtain the Y-Chromosome, as Mary had no Y-Chromosome.

emirate9:
Yeah ! i agree not everybody share your faith, But a common sense should tell You whatever makes you trust your life in the hands of a man that did not share your faith, moment you owe him obedient

No matter how big you are, Be you General 10star whem a photographer tell you stand like this, do your head like this like that ....you obey like police recruit, soldier wont say bloody civilian

That patient can he argue with a photographer, because he is richer than him ,

How much more your life in the hands of a doctor, if the doctor believes prayer is his good luck charm whynot just respect it ...close your eye, and do Amen in your own faith way

Every faijth has Amen kindof ... i do Amen in Muslims functions this things are not big deal naw am

See logic! So if you want enter plane, you go must share the same faith with the pilot before you put your life in his hands and allow him pilot the plane you are in. Maybe pilots should have their faith imprinted on the ticket, so you could choose which pilot should fly you. You staff and fellow workers nko? You should ask the religion of a worker before hiring them or agreeing to work with them. Nigerians are just inhospitable religious fundamentalist- both Christian and Muslim.

Dtruthspeaker:
Which defiance? Where plumber won defy go study medicine?

Did man of God stop Abraham and Jacob and Job from being great agriculturists? Or did it stop David and Joseph from being great rulers who made their citizens prosper? Of which there won't be diseases and wars and maternity hospitals

So much rubbish, I can't even comprehend what you are saying. Abraham as portrayed in the bible was a warrior, a tribal chief and an herdsman. Most cannanites at that time were either warriors or herdsmen. Before David, the Jews were herdsmen grazing their cows and sheep from pasture to pasture and moving around according to the seasons. Just like the Fulanis are doing today in Nigeria. It was David that first established a permanent kingdom for the ìsraelites.

LordLicifer:
AI will take over all these human incompetency soonest. I would trust an AI surgery more than these religious etreemists. At least AI wouldn't have a religious biased views

LordLicifer or is it Lord Lucifer? Lucifer means the light bearer, meaning he who brings light to the world.
Let me poke my Christian brothers a bit this morning.
Do you know that it was Lucifer that bright Knowledge to the world? Before Lucifer, Adam and Eve were naked and ignorant, it was after Lucifer (sometimes referred to as Satan advised, not forced. lucifer does not force or threaten anyone), advised Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of Knowledge, who in turn advised her husband to eat the fruit also, did they both gain Knowledge, and realised they were naked and ignorant.
In effect without lucifer, they would be no surgery, no planes, no cars, no computers, no phones and no Internet. Adam and Eve would still be in the garden of Eden, tending to lions, elephants and giraffes.

Lekby25:
That is it. You have said it by yourself. You suffered pain you never suffered before for a whole week.You don't need to go through a whole week of pain. That is the absence of God in your life. That is a warning for you. If you still refuse to recognize God in your life, that pain you suffered for a whole week is small, you will suffer much greater pain in future, if you still refuse to recognize the necessity of God in human affairs.

You and your god now use threats, intimidation and punishment to get people to worship him? What kind of God is that? Anyway, ask people who have done simple tooth extraction, they suffer severe pain for two or three days after the local anaesthesia has subsided. My operation was removing a broken took stuck to the skull. Any slight error would have damage what separates my mouth from my sinuses. The dentist spend 3 hours in the operation, and everything went well.
That's why I hate religion as practised by pentecostals, they intimidate, threaten, rejoice at the sufferings of others just to justify their beliefs.

oglalasioux:
Bro, I was an activist here on Nairaland for several years promoting science over God (note that I didn’t say religion). But there’s no way a God factor can be removed from the universe. There are just too many coincidences to attribute some things to chance alone. The universe has a design and a designer. Our brains might simply not be able to comprehend what or who the designer is but there surely must be one.

The more you study the universe, the more you realise there is no need or place for a god, as imagined by humans minds that is. An Arabic man, a Jewish man or a white European man with beard, siting on a throne, surrounded by winged men and women worshipping him, and micro managing the universe and the mundane affairs of man (and probably animals), have no place in the universe.

femi4:
Read this again

When things can go wrong, everything that needs to go wrong will eventually go wrong

You are talking nonsense. In every situation in life something can go wrong. People chock on their meals. People fall in their bathrooms while taking their bath and die in the process. People hearts stop for no reason, I mean healthy hearts with no heart disease or anything.

OriOko88:
So by ur logic we can conclude that USA is also doomed by having more churches than factories,because I'm very sure there's no way USA can have close to 350k factories. Always ensure you're in ur rt state of mind bfore coming to social media. No dey forget ur brain at home next time

I don't really want to discuss the US, because the US is a peculiar case. The US had been bullying and cheating other parts of the world after WWII. They were not really producing but made sure almost all international trade was done in dollars. In addition, they were stealing manpower from all over the world, particularly third world countries like Nigeria, South Africa and India. Today other countries are waking up and resisting US bullying. Countries are dumping the dollar.
Besides, religious fundamentalism is not as chronic as Nigeria. The churches and mosques is not as in Nigeria. If you carry out an ethic demography, you will fund that the most religious people are African Americans, Africans, Latinos and other third world ethnic groups. The main Europeans, Chinese, Japanese are not so religious.

femi4:
My neighbour died from removing a tooth. He swallowed it

When things can go wrong, everything that needs to go wrong will eventually go wrong.

You said 50 - 50. I had a major tooth operation last month. I have a broken tooth that stuck to my jaw removed by operation. I suffered the kind of pain I never suffered in my life before for over a week. I never prayed. Today I am on. It boils down to the competence of the dentist.

iHart:
What we need to understand is that not everyone share the same faith and believe with us. Any time I am dealing with people, I am always neutral with expressing my faith and believe not until they show some sign of alignment with mine.

Religion should be a personal affair, it should be a personal affair or relationship with your God, your diety, the universe, anything you believe in. The whole problem of the world started when you now force thar your beliefs unto the throats of other people. You force your beliefs using threats, intimidation and sometimes violence. That becomes a conquest. You use the tool of Religion to conquer other peoples minds first, then their lands, resources and money.
The Arabs used Islam to conquer or people and their lands. The Europeans used Christianity to conquer or lands, peoples and resources.
In Nigeria men of God use Christianity to conquer other peoples money.

We4all:
As long as the surgery requires sedation, it is 50-50.

False again. Stop spreading false information without any data to support it. It dangerous.

oglalasioux:
I used to separate God from some things but not anymore. A lot of things are beyond the knowledge of mankind. I see God’s hands in everything these days.

That's called God of the Gaps. Any gap in human knowledge is attributed to a diety or God. That had been the way the human mind operated until scientist came along to offer explanation for some hitherto unknown phenomena.

femi4:
Every surgery is a 50 -50

Every surgery kwa? You mean tooth surgery, plastic surgery, appendix surgery, vasectomy, are 50 -50? The success ratio depends on the type of surgery and severity of the disease.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not God Who made sure that scientists were made? If everyone were plumbers, would you be cured?

False! It was a defiance of God that created scientists. It was when man began to question the "holy books", and searched for other explanations for the observable universe, that gave rise to scientists. Many early scientists were persecuted and even killed for defying God aka holy books.
If everyone was a man of God, how will society develop and progress?

WriterrNg:

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Russia is the most Christian country in Europe at the moment.

Is this ignorance or direct misinformation? Where will you put Azerbaijan, Turkey, Kosovo, Albania and Bosnia and Herzegovina? A simple Google search or chatgpt query would have educated you, abi your phone no get Google?

Goodmorning and happy Sunday my brother.

DeepSight:
I once counted over 20 churches on one street in Lagos.

That's standard in Nigeria, especially in the south. A country that have more churches than factories is doomed to poverty. A country that have more churches than schools is doomed to ignorance.

Leemzyy:
Must he have to pray alongside with me? If he's a Muslim for example then do your Dua while the surgeon also pray for successful operation

Too bad sha I'm not a surgeon, na to give you wrong dosage purposely 😏

If he is an atheist or Satanist nko? Majority of the people in China, North Korea and Russia are atheist, and their surgeons perform more successful surgeries than Nigeria, who are 99% theists (Christian or Muslim).
What if the doctor himself was an atheist and doesn't demand prayers before he operates on patients, would you sack him, or refuse treatment from him or her?

Freshtruth:
May God help u. U are a kid if a surgeon can acknowledge God who are u

I am older than your father, and have seen more of life than you can every hope for.

BioData45:
If ultimate doctor is God, send him to heaven for the surgery then. Brainwashed fellow

If the ultimate doctor is God, then why were people dying of very common diseases before scientists discovered the germ theory? Why more than half of pregnant women dying before or during delivery? Why was life expectancy very short before than now?

Leemzyy:
That patient is not serious, if I was the surgeon I will just abandoned the werey

Abandoned a patient because he refused to participate in your own religious ritual? What if he a Buddhist, an animinst, a satantist or an atheist? You refuse to carry out your hippocratic oath because of the patient's religion or lack of it. That's the height of cruelty.

nairalanda1:
If you want nigeria to pay cost reflective wages , please please please, vote government that would make us a productive nation

We must pay cost reflective power for light, or we forget about good power supply, unless you want borrowing to ramp up by 14-20 trillion naira a year. Guess when we go pay back the debt.

Since Nigerians have are known to be the most dishonest people in the whole world, we pretend to ignore the mammoth in the room - corruption. We talk about everything else but choose to ignore corruption that have eaten deep into the soul of the nation. We blame "cost reflection power, when we have not been able to generate and transmit more than 50,000 Mw of electricity. This is despite spending tens of billion of dollars on electricity since 1999. We blame subsidy for our petrol scarcity and cost, instead of corruption. That is until dangote came on stream. We also spent tens of billions on dollars on maintenance of 4 refineries that was unable to refine a little of petrol in 30 years. Shebi you guys said subsidy was the problem, and it's removal will ursher in a new an eldorado, what happened in the 4 years it had been removed. Government is even now talking about taxing petroleum products.

You guys are adept at comparing living cost of other countries where corruption is non existent or minimal, and where living wage is enough to live, with Nigeria where corruption is our way of everyday life.

nairalanda1:
SA Pays cost reflective tarrifs for power. NIgeria doesn't.

And Nigeria pays cost reflective wages. This is the irony I am always talking about.

Sunkab:
Therefore he doesn't deserve second term. Worst president in the history of democracy.

Deserve second term ke? Do they need your vote to secure second term? The welfare of Nigerians is not even a campaign issue. Tinubu has the governors, the legislators, the police, the military, INEC and the judiciary.

delpee:
The States have been empowered by law to produce and deliver electricity to the people. What are they doing?

If they produce electricity, how will they deliver (transmitted) it for distribution.

justwise:
What happened to the NGO money? Do you have a single evidence that a penny is missing? If truly the NGO money is missing and you have evidence then why not sue VDM or consult a private auditor to audit the NGO account?

The NGO post their activities online, bank account transactions are live online, Any Nigeria is allowed to printout the NGO's bank statement. So what are you people waiting for? Some of you haters keep shouting online about the missing NGO money but never a single evidence to back it up.

VDM challenged any of you to sue him about this missing NGO money but till today not a single person has.


Now you are talking about Burna boy and Davido? What a clueless individual,

Imagine. The very same people defending Osun State government are the same people challenging VDM over NGO money. What irony.