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My bro let's not throw out the Baby with the bath water...

Anyone who followed Hagins teachings wd know dat hagin never emphasizeed his experiences/visions or words over Gods word. Hagin usually made this statement "Don't believe anything because I said it. Search the scriptures and prove it out for yourself"


I Learnt a whole lot from Hagins teachings especially certain areas: (prayer, gifts of spirit, walking in love even how to study the bible)
His teachings gave me good foundation.

Revelational knowledge is progressive n over the years I have received more insight n revelation in the word.
At the moment I honestly don't agree with all he taught (just like I dnt wt anyother preacher at the moment) but truth is it was definitely a great starting point.
At the end of it all we shd follow God n His word not man...

Most times I think we place too much emphasis on the few things that are wrong and little emphasis on the majority which are sound.
I don't know how many of his teachings u heard bt at sm point I was opportuned to have a comprehensive list of almost all d messages he ever preached and most of the ones I listened to were sound.
Many things he taught were taken to extremes n those extremes "were and are" sadly still attributed to him

For most of the preachers I listen to, I have learnt to draw the line based on the word n I focus more on what's right.

All in all its our duty as christians to constantly search the scriptures for ourselves and not follow man...

Kenneth Erwin Hagin (August 20, 1917 - September 19, 2003) was an influential American Pentecostal preacher. He is often referred to as the "father" (or "granddaddy of the "Word of Faith" movement. Many of his followers often refer to him affectionately as "Dad Hagin", "Pappa Hagin" and more commonly "Brother Hagin".

Beginning to preach

According to Hagin's testimony, he was sickly as a child, suffering from a deformed heart and what was believed to be an incurable blood disease. He related that he was not expected to live and became bedfast at age 15. In April 1933 during a dramatic conversion experience, he reported dying three times in 10 minutes, each time seeing the horrors of hell and then returning to life. He also claimed that he was raised from a deathbed on August 8, 1934 by "the revelation of faith in God's Word"

Two years later he preached his first sermon as the pastor of a small community church in Roland, Texas, 9 miles (14 km) from McKinney. During the next twelve years he pastored five Assemblies of God churches in Texas: in the cities of Tom Bean, Farmersville (twice), Talco, Greggton, Texas, and Van.[1]


Establishing a faith-based organization

Hagin began an itinerant ministry as a Bible teacher and evangelist in 1949. Hagin was at this time also given full admission to the Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship International (also known as the FGBMFI) which had been established in 1951. He was also a part of the Voice of Healing Revival in the U.S. in the 40s and 50s together with Oral Roberts, Gordon Lindsay and T. L. Osborn. In 1963, Kenneth E. Hagin Evangelistic Association was incorporated, and the offices of the ministry moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1966. That same year, he taught for the first time on radio — on KSKY in Dallas. In 1967, he began a regular radio broadcast that continues today as Faith Seminar of the Air. Teaching by his son, Rev. Kenneth Wayne Hagin, is also heard on the program.

Since its inception in 1963, his organization grew to include numerous media outreaches and ministries. These are:

Faith Library Publications – with 65 million book copies in circulation

"RHEMA Praise" – a weekly television program on the Trinity Broadcasting Network
"Faith Seminar of the Air" – a radio program heard on many stations nationwide and on the Internet
"The Word of Faith" – a free monthly magazine with roughly 600,000 subscribers
crusades conducted throughout the nation
RHEMA Correspondence Bible School
the RHEMA Prayer and Healing Center, located on the Rhema campus in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

In 1974, Hagin founded RHEMA Bible Training College USA, which now has training centers in fourteen different countries and has 30,000 alumni. In 1979, he founded the Prayer and Healing Center there to provide a place for the sick to come to "have the opportunity to build their faith." Its Healing School continues to be held free of charge twice daily on the RHEMA campus.

Theology

The Statement of faith of Hagin's Rhema Bible Training College is identical to that of the Assemblies of God and most other major Pentecostal denominations. (Rhema Bible Training College Information Pamphlet; 16 Fundamental Truths of the Assemblies of God) Additionally, as mentioned above, some of Hagin's theological beliefs and teachings were similar to those of E.W. Kenyon. For example:

Physical Healing: It is always God's will that a believer be physically healed of any sickness or infirmity. (Luke 5:13; 1 Pet 2:24). Hagin based the belief of healing for all on the understanding that healing for the physical body was included in redemption. If redemption was available to all, then healing would also be available to all (Word of Faith magazine, 6/90; 7/92; 8/92; 12/92, Kenneth Hagin, Redeemed from Poverty, Sickness and Death and Healing Belongs to Us).

Material Wealth: It is always God's will that every believer be 'financially blessed' through faith. Although Hagin emphasized that material prosperity was a redemptive blessing, he never taught that living by faith excluded hard work and wise business practices. In his later years he wrote a book entitled, "The Midas Touch" in which he wrote sharply and correctively about the so-called prosperity gospel and many of the extreme teachings that were being circulated under this heading. He warned the body of Christ of the dangers of greed and explained that the purpose of financial blessing is for the furtherance of the work of the gospel (Kenneth Hagin, How God Taught Me About Prosperity and The Midas Touch).

Faith and Authority: Hagin believed that the believer through his position in Christ had authority over elements of this world and elements of the satanic world. By faith the believer can exercise the authority of God to change impossible situations into possibilities (Luke 1:37) (Mark 11:22-24). Faith, to Hagin, is a matter of belief in God's word which also entails a vocal expression of God's Will or confession thereof. According to Hagin, God has promised to answer believing prayer and respond positively to the believer's exercise of faith (Kenneth Hagin, I Believe in Visions, What Faith Is, Bible Faith; A Study Guide).

Salvation: Hagin claimed in several of his books that he physically died three times as a child. Each time he descended to hell but was brought back to life when a voice spoke. On the third trip to hell, Hagin claims to have asked Jesus for forgiveness and salvation. Crying, 'God! I belong to the church! I've been baptized in water' twice, to no avail, he cried out a third time. It is at that point, he claims, that he was saved and brought back to life a final time. Hagin goes on to say that his mother was praying so loud when he arrived back in his body that "traffic was lined up for two blocks on either side of our house!" After this dramatic experience, Hagin came to believe that church membership and water baptism were not sufficient to save but rather the 'new birth worked by the power of the Holy Spirit' in response to a personal confession of faith in the Lordship and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Even though it seems that this new birth could apparently be had even after death, it is only through that he was already 'coming back to life' that he was saved. (ibid., Word of Faith magazine, 10/01, Kenneth Hagin, The New Birth; I Went to Hell).

Substitutionary Act: Hagin spoke of Jesus' death in substitutionary terms. The doctrine of 'Substitution' as taught by Hagin differs widely from the same doctrine as taught by many other branches of Christianity. The normal theory of Substitutionary atonement is that the son Jesus paid our debts, previous, current and future to the Father within the Godhead. Hagin claimed that Jesus died as the substitute for all of humanity, as do most Christians (Bible, 2 Cor 5:14-15), but also believes that Jesus suffered the torments of hell for three days and that He 'defeated the devil', stripped him of all authority and was resurrected after being 'quickened in spirit' or 'born again'. Hagin held that those who received Christ were born again and shared in the benefits of Christ's resurrection and power through their identification with His death, burial and resurrection. (Kenneth Hagin,The Name of Jesus; The Triumphant Church).

Sacred Scriptures: Hagin's beliefs followed in the reformed tradition in that the Bible is viewed to be the literally true, inerrant word of God as written by men under the guidance of the Spirit of God. Although Hagin often spoke of the dramatic spiritual encounters he claimed to have had, he always insisted that faith was to be established upon the word of God alone and not upon the experiences of man. Many times in his ministry he made the statement, "Don't believe anything because I said it. Search the scriptures and prove it out for yourself" (Kenneth Hagin, how You Can Know the Will of God and The Believer's Authority).

cmega123: Same issue here. I stay in Benin.
On the letter, it was stated that though we will be based in Lagos, we could travel within and outside the country. Heard that there was a team attached to a company for 6 months and the company took care of the team's accommodation for the period. So, please i would need advice on how to proceed.

Bro I think you should get sm1 to stay wt or a place of ur own...cause first dnt think its all depts dat travel, 2nd doubt if you would travel within the first 6months of probation.

Facing same issue too, based in IB and lived there all my life. Presently tryin to get a relative or family friend to stay wt for atleast 6mnths before gettn my place.

solexy7: In other news,what's d dress code

Heard suit monday - friday o

RealJabak: Hmmm...left the rom a while ago. Yomihagin, Tomclancy, Rexphobia....it was nice meeting you guys. wordthots so you were there too? Pls describe yourself

yesso, i was dere ...black suit and blue tie

Rexphobia: @ PwC office

*sleeves and trousers rolled up* dusting and cleaning furniture and all...

Well, I think I got here pretty early.

Where u at? In meetn room 1

Rexphobia: @ PwC office

*sleeves and trousers rolled up* dusting and cleaning furniture and all...

Well, I think I got here pretty early.

Where u at? I am In meetn room 1

Rexphobia: @ PwC office

*sleeves and trousers rolled up* dusting and cleaning furniture and all...

Well, I think I got here pretty early.

On my way, pretty close...

Chei!!! See as my stomach dey turn o...
Wetin I chop dis morning o

Toilet before letter o

ND_Fischer: Yes. I am for October too. And I'll definitely be there on monday to take that letter too.

joboy834: Are u to resume on oct 2 too? Anyway, I'm going on monday to view dt offer letter. I can't wait o!!!

Same here... see y'all on monday .

TomClancy: Hello guys, big congrats to all successful folks on this thread...its been a long time coming. Would anyone possibly know if we'd be assigned to different units before or after the training? Thanks :-)

Heard after the training...just before trÀining ends

einstein_e: I haven't gotten any mail, success or otherwise. Anybody gotten a mail?

Check your spam mail, possible its there

chidike: I got the job! I got the Job... Thank God! Thank you to nairaland for the info about the opening. I will be resuming in October, is there anyone here who will be resuming earlier than that?

The mail reads.

Dear Candidate Congratulations!! I am pleased to inform you that you were successful at the final interview stage of our recruitment process. We have an 'Offer of Employment' letter for you which you can come pick up from our office from Monday, 15 July 2013. You will be expected to resume for training unfailingly on Wednesday, 2 October 2013. Note that resumption on this date is mandatory for this offer.

Mine is Thursday August 1

Wise_old_man: Yeap i just got it, @wordthots i'm sure u dont know this but we interviewed on d same day....and thanks for sharing your "Economist" magazine that day lol

Thanks all, @beam especially, ur .pdf helped me here and in other places... #God's Speed!

Bro congrats o, Thank God for everything...good to av u on board...

Morning guys, just got a success mail from PwC .thank God!!!
Has anyone else gotten it

Sorry took some time off the thread (its almost beeen 2months since I had my interview), rily wanted to take my mind off it and reduce the suspense and pressure.

Wishin y'all the best

TomClancy: I was really drilled during the interview, thankfully I had prepared responses for the majority of the questions...thanks to previous posts. @Pisces290 and ab engine, from your posts, I think I might have an idea of who you guys are . Its nice to finally meet nairalanders in real life. Wishing y'all success.

Good to know it went really well...
Let's Believe For the best

Pisces290: Mine is tomorrow. *fingers crossed*.
I am even tired of jacking their website.

lol... Banke laughed at me sef when i started talkn abt PwC she jokingly said "hmmm u ve gone to download our website". that part was pretty funny
rememba to js stay relaxed n confident....all the best

Westlord: I am begining to think d@ its going to be just 1 interview. Please for those who have done, did U have a Partner on the panel of interviewers? or better still, How many made up d panel & who was the highest person & did dey say wh@ would b next?
This is 'cos it appears its 5 people per day & with wh@ Banke said (over 1000 successful) d@ 'll b @ least 20 working days. So 4 d 17th july, I 'm nt suprisd & konsidrng d fact d@ d FY ends june 30th.
Wel if U hav an idea or opinion, pls lay it.
Thanks

we were 8 in all, but i think 2 pple were missing.
we were divided into 2 groups of fours n we (my group) faced 2partners n 1hr person for the discussion ( the other group faced a different panel).
the interview was one afta the oda based on how early we came n it was basically same partners bt ds time d HR lady was replaced by Banke. the other group faced their own panel.

Also abt d discussion just be yourself, stay organized, dnt be too dominating n d reverse too dnt be too quiet. Make sure ur contributing.
About the topic there's rily no point cause they have tons of those, bt one things sure its abt nigeria...

All d best

Just finished mine n it was great...the questions were really not structured.I was hoping for a build up (easy to hard) bt dint get that o, questions were based on my answers. So js be urself, stay confident n relax.
Like d earlier post, think of times When u led a group or bn in a Group, managing conflict n for those not in d acctn 'why on earth u chose pwc'.
Wish y'all the very best...

Believn God for the best

Pisces290: hello everyone. I wanna thank all those who have been selfless enough to share their PwC experience with us and encourage us to follow suit. I am a recent ex-otondo with no accounting background.In fact I graduated with a degree in Biochem and I wanna believe God is the only reason I have made it his far in the recruitment process. My interview is slated for the 23rd May. I'll be sure to share my experience. I wish us all the best!!!

I also don't have a background in accounting, but i don't think it matters much. I think we will be just fine, Check out the emboldened



Our core values of excellence, teamwork and leadership have sustained us throughout our history.

What we value and how we work together is defined by our people with aspirations and individuality, who share the same vision and values who are committed and talented.

To be able to stay on top of our business, PwC is determined to keep attracting such outstanding people, and we believe you can be one of them.

To participate in our annual Graduate Recruitment Programme, you do not need to have an accounting background. Your attitude and potentials are what really matters to us when we invite you to join us.

Your career growth will be constantly supported by the variety of learning opportunities we offer our people.

yomihagin: . Thanks a lot for the piece of info.Please did u hear anything about the format of the group discussion and how long it lasted? How long did the personal interview last too ? thanks once again.Anyone in the house with answers to these question should pls respond too.One Nigeria

Bro, guess it would be good to have an idea of the answers before hand, but i doubt if getting the right answer is as important as you having the right traits during the session.
My point is this what's most important is your ability to work with the team, lead, and show the following:initiative,decisiveness,organisational ability etc This is my opinion anyways

Armani_NG: Rumour has it that it was a Group assessment/discussion before brief interviews for all the candidates. Thats the most I could get.

Thanks o, Wd read up on it...guess dey r changin d system, cause I heard dere were no group discussions last year.

Westlord: Wow, how quiet is d hall, no tension, no anxiety..... no 'email expectation' @least 4 naw. Ok mayB d words are being saved for d Panel; wh@ about those d@ hv said deir best like Abiodunbuari.lol.
Every1 is takng his/her cool. Wel I thnk dis is wen we shld hv bn doin d talkng; not just d intervw experience bt wh@ we ve got to find out d@ 'll help.
4 a start, get d annual Global & transparency report of 2012 & digest as U kan 2 undastand our Firm.

Its amazing how quiet the thread has become...anyways having mine on tuesday would definitly let you guys know ow it goes. Abt Buari we were classmates bak in school, called him on wednessday. Apparently he dint go cause he got a better offer...

The Beam: @ Alima: thanks for d offer pls check ur mail urgently for my response.....

Please, we need to conclude everything before Tomorrow.

God bless you once again.

Finally ! Guess u got an offer bro...
all the best with your ICAN exams and thanks once again for being a blessing

phreedhom: Geez thought I failed. mine was slated for 28th may, who else is with me please? how much is PWC paying its Graduate Trainees. ABEG help ASAP

The range is 130k-150k

*sigh*
Finally! Congrats y'all...thank God for everything.
Wish y'all the very best. Would let u guys know watsup afta mine on the 21st

Ayokunle11: Maybe it is pure coincidence or not. The two guys who said they got invites are abiodun and abbey, names start wit A. Kinda safe to assume mails are sent in alphabetical batches(first or last name). Like i said earlier, enjoy your weekend. Trust you did. Good stories this week.

Just got an invite and my surname starts with 'O'. Not so sure they are doing it alphabetically, but its definitely in batches. Wish y'all the very best...

Guys Just got an invite... Scheduled for tuesday 21st.
For those still expecting, wish y'all the very best.
Godbless

Guess we will be fine. Was initially scared abit though but I'm rily learning to relax and believe the best...

Wise_old_man: Do u think its appropriate to "show my emotions openly" "let people know how i feel"

My brother it is. Also, didn't know till i did the SHL sample test o and got the report. Remember, the questionnaire is to be answered based on workplace scenarios and not social scenarios.

just finished the OPQ a while ago and it was great . The SHL sample test report helped alot in answering most of the questions(saw few repetitions from the sample test sef ). From the little research i did, PWC looks out for some particular attributes; the most important of them being Teamwork (working with people) and Leadership. For those who are yet to write, please remember consistency is very key cause there are various checks for dishonest answers in the questionnaire. Also, your answers should be based on workplace scenarios, strictly workplace not social scenarios and the 2 key attributes.

wish y'all the very best. See you at the next phase by God's grace
Godbless

BukAyoShoOre: pls send to: elegbede_ayoola@yahoo.com

Sent to all, pls check your boxes.
All the best.
Godbless