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Image123:
Your inferiority complex is pathetic. You don't have to run to the western world to feel safe, every human being counts in the scheme. For every one pseudo Christian that says he's done with it, there are thousands of others plugging into religion either by birth or conversion. You can't "see"/run past your shadow. You can't go beyond God, He's there in the very beyond already, duh.

I see no reason why you attack my personality because the facts dont favour your god delusions.

Christianity as a religion is dying in the western world, it will start dying in no time in Africa as well. This wouldn't be the case if you guys can just provide evidence for whatever you say instead of fighting critics.

I can provide evidence with veritable data for the claim that Christianity is dying in the western countries. You cannot provide any data for any nonsense you say because that's what Christians always do. They say a lot of craps with evidence to back it up

Image123:
Come back to what he never was? Do you know the thousands of people that "surrender" to Christ for every one pseudo Christian that says he's done with it?

And that's why the rate of atheism/irreligiosity is increasing by minutes in the western world as against the decrease of Christianity in terms of population and relevance.

People have started seeing beyond thr nonsense

Image123:
A born again catholic who listens to TB, Oproko and died to the flesh, all he desired was to do nothing but the will of God and goes for deliverance? Here is a confused religious man, not a christian.

Maybe if you start showing him evidence for your imaginary sky friend, he and many of his likes will come back.

DeepSight:
Whilst famous for the Heliocentric Theory of the solar system (the idea that the Earth and planets revolved around the sun) Copernicus was by no means the first to settle the idea that the Earth was a sphere.

You are simply ignorant of what you are trying to discuss.

I think you also have basic comphension problem.

Where did i infer that Copernicus was the first to muster the idea?

We can't have a discussion because you are in a haste to find errors instead of comprehending.

The point is: none of the philosophers proved spherical earth, no one is arguing your strawman argument as to whether they didn't hold such beliefs.

Calm down and digest my statements

DeepSight:
You are simply contradicting yourself (and embarrassing yourself).
There is nothing like a perfect vacuum anywhere - fact.
And that is basic science.

The virtual particles you speak of are fluctuations observed in a space that is not nothing. That space contains minimal gas and energy too. Its never a perfect vacuum, this is elementary. And no, its not the fluctuations alone which make it an imperfect vacuum.

You don't even know the difintion of a vaccum dude.
A vacuum cannot contain a gas, even in minimal quantity unless it's partial vacuum.

You don't know what a vacuum is and you don't want to leant it. Thete are no gas molecules in vacuum, no pressure. All your gaseous pressure statement is junk science

First go read carefully about vacuums, I cannot keep repeating something to a Sciolist.

I don't even know where I inferred that we have a perfect vacuum.

MaxInDHouse:
Insults and abuses is not enough to hide your sorry ass.
People are killing people, what is the solution?

The solution is obviously not your imaginary friend and nonexistent God.

The world will be better if we have less morons believing in imaginary gods and lies from ancient books written by herders

DeepSight:
Thats false, you simply didnt read them.

Trust I did.

Copernicus was the first person to prove spherical earth and heliocentric solar system.
All the philosophers were just arguing.

I mean, every newbie in science knows about Copernicus and his works

Rosement:
You are only talking out of ignorance but anyway, you are feel to believe whatever makes you sleep well at night.

Yes, I am ignorant of how the universe started, I'm not going to created a God to fill that gap without evidence like you want to

DeepSight:
No, you go and read up.
There is no perfect vacuum observed anywhere, and there never has been.

"Nothingness" by definition does not exist, has never been observed (nor can nothingness be observed) much less experimented with.

If you remove all gazes from a vacuum, you cannot have any pressure. Don't even talk about gaseous pressure in an a vaccum, it only works in a partial vacuum.

It's basic science for god sake.

Why talk about gaseous low pressure when you already remove all gases. Doesn't make any sense

There's no perfect vacuum yes, and the reason is because something always come from nothing called "virtual particles". This makes it impossible for us to have a perfect vacuum. Something must come from nothing. This gives credence to my initisl argument with evidence from quantum physics that something comes from nothing in vacuums hence we cannot overrule the universe coming from nothing like virtual particles.

Educate yourself dude and stop looking for virtual errors.

DeepSight:
I have told you all logic must have reference points. If you didnt understand that, thats your cup of tea.
And yes, there were reference points for the conclusion of the ancient Greeks that the Earth was flat.
I provided some to you via the links I showed you.

Your links where argument made, same argument they always make.
None provided evidence for spherical earth.

I can go on and show you ridiculous conclusions of this so called philosophers. That in anyway doesn't undermine their contributions but they were so handicapped until science start with empirical evidence to help our logical reaosning.

Uptownerd:
Lol... I have come across so many like him. We do our best to make sure they continue spilling out the illogical thoughts in their mind. That's the evidence that their mind is totally warped and that they're toxic religious Extremists without even realising it.

Just have fun listening to rubbish tonight, MaxInDHouse is a pure slowpoke.

He won't disappoint

DeepSight:
Nonsense. The so called vacuums as I said contain low gaseous pressure. That knocks out your claim here.



What is a virtual particle if not a mere fluctuation?
You are talking bunkum.

You must be stuck in stone age.

You stopped making sense when you said "low gas pressure in a vacuum".

Does that make any scientific sense to you?

You should read up on what gas pressures are and then relate it to the defitnion of a vacuum

DeepSight:
This is all false. The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere. This is a fact.
As I said, this fact is even alluded to in the Bible.
You simply dont know the facts.

We know atheism is simply a fad for some of you, but please try not to make a mess of your pitiful ignorance so publicly, while speaking nonsense so majestically.

nonsense, none of them proved anything with logic until scientific methods started popping.

Logic alone is flawed without evidence.

Whether or not you want to argue all night, it's stupid to rely on pure logic to make accurate conclusions and that's why your so called philosophers argue about jargons every now and then.
There is usually no evidence to close the case. It's the same reason none of them could prove spheriod earth until we found evidence

DeepSight:
Nonsense. The so called vacuums as I said contain low gaseous pressure. That knocks out your claim here.



What is a virtual particle if not a mere fluctuation?
You are talking bunkum.

virtual particles do not have measurable mass, that's why we say no perfect vacuum.
We have simulated mass less vacuums, what makes them not perfect vacuums is virtual particles.

Yes, if it doesn't have measurable mass then it's nothing, virtual particles pops out of nothing.

We have studied a phenomena where virtual particles created measurable radiations.

MaxInDHouse:
People are killing people!
Present a lasting solution if your IQ is sound!

I can't disccus solutions with someone who doesn't know the definition of religion.

I shoild rather troll such person. This is what religious does, it makes one so dumb that you can misconstrue everything to make your ridiculous beliefs relevant

MaxInDHouse:
Present a solution to mankind's problem.
People are killing people, the child in question is not innocent until he/she grows to an adult and after experiencing all the hard times others experienced decided to take things easy instead of becoming a ritualist or murderer.
So use your brains before thinking you've figured out something tangible, your stories are meaningless when you can't think of any solution but complaint and complaints and complaints!

I'm not here to present any solution. Your god is fraud, I'm here to remind you of that.
Your fraudulent imaginary friend is the problem here.
He's fraud, whether or not you like it.

Uptownerd:
You are trying too hard to sound smart. However, smart people would have known better than to make caricature of a child's death with carefree and irresponsible statements.

MaxInDHouse is nothing near smart, he sounds dummier with every statement.

Do you expect anything reasonable from someone who thinks visiting nairaland religious section makes one religious? Can't you see that there's nothing in his skull side from the jargons they stuff in his head in their kiingodm halls?

Don't have a rational discussion with him, he will bring you down to his level of irrationality and beat you with experience.

MaxInDHouse:
That shows the level of your IQ, religion isn't just about the believe in God but doing things voluntarily when you're paid for it.
Your daily attendance on Nairaland religion section is a sign of RELIGIOSITY in your blood!

someone who believes the Bible literally has lost the moral right to talk about IQs and anything partaining to intelligence.

It's the reason why you also cannot accurately define religion. It's the reason you cannot logically make life decisions with reason without having to depend on the lies in the Bible

MaxInDHouse:
Widening out involves finding a lasting solution not just complaining all the time.
What is the solution to mankind's troubles?
Wars everywhere, people killing people and all you can think of is a baby that died in an accident.
Do you even know if such a child would have grown up to become another killer as in killing you or your own child?
Ògbéni widen out and use your brains not just lock yourself in a box complaining all the time claiming you're an atheist or agnostic!

Your God is a fraud. Stop telling us plenty stories.

You are not going to peddle your jargons, while I am on this thread.
Don't sell your fake God and lies in the nomadic book of the Bible

Rubbish

MaxInDHouse:
OK so you're not RELIGIOUS shey?

nope, I don't worship a psychopathic God who watch children die and he's okay with it.
I don't even believe such moronic God exist

People like me are called irreligious. You can check up a dictionary for that

TenQ:
Entropy show that Matter is NOT eternal
Energy of course should be eternal only that USABLE energy will be zero

how does entropy show that matter is not eternal?
You better study carefully before answering this question because you have started talking like illiterate again.

Usable energy will be zero, so that makes energy not eternal. Do you have a working brain?
Do you understand how entropy works in a closed system?

Steep:
The Law of the conservation of matter and energy only holds true in a closed system.
It does not hold true in an open system.

The universe is a closed system

Yes, according to what we know for now.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny atheists!
Billions of babies are dying yearly due to stillbirth, malnutrition, sicknesses and so on.
Why is it that only this one should be saved from your myopic point of view?

And Jehovah is very happy watching them die.

Uptownerd:
What other explanation are you looking for?


The title said "God Couldn't save Child as Kerosine Explosion kills 1yr old beautiful baby"...

He's religious, expect a thicker than brick skull.

DeepSight:
This is false.

Many ancients knew the Earth was a sphere
Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, Achimedes, all taught that the Earth was a sphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#History.

https://www.olivehackney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Year-5-Science-Spherical-Bodies-Shape-of-the-Earth-Evidence-Cards.pdf

It was so well known that even the Bible alludes to it.



All logic must have a reference point. There is no logic in a vacuum.

none of them figured the earth is sphere. They were arguing baselessly on it.
The first person to actually test it is copernicus and then Galileo and that gives credence to the fact that logic without evidence is useless.

None of the great philosophers could prove spherical earth, none of them. It's more reason logic alone is not enough for me and for any reasonable person.

Calm down, don't be in a haste to find virtual mistakes, get the pioints first

DeepSight:
This is also false. There is no such evidence in quantum physics (not to speak of "tonnes of evidence" ) because the prime example which is used to defend this assumption is that of virtual particles in a quantum vacuum.

It is false, and fails because there is no perfect vacuum observed anywhere and the said vacuums contain law gaseous pressure, thus it is wrong to say that the so called virtual particles emerge from "nothing."

The reason we say there's no perfect vacuum is because of virtual particles. Virtual particles are credence to the fact that something can come from nothing.

The fact that virtual particles pops out of no where and even dispperas randomly in the quantum world is why something comes from nothing. Hope you get that.

You are eager to point out mistake without getting the point hence you make mistakes yourself

Rosement:
You have to understand that everybody's philosophy differs and philosophy can only provide questions but it cannot provide definite answers. Since, we cannot wait forever, we can think of a logical answer ourselves. Yes, I believe God did it, can my belief hurt a fly. God is the source of my happiness, what is wrong with being happy? Do what makes you happy and stop trying to put sand in my own food.

Ignorance is lack of knowledge or information. If I am still waiting for philosophy or science to conclude, it means I am ignorant. I am wise enough to know that science and philosophy will never provide the answer so why will I keep waiting forever. A lot of my ancestors met philosophy and science but still today, they have not concluded. I don't even expect anybody to be ignorant in this area, our common sense is meant to allow us ​know that they will never conclude. Only an ignorant person will still wait on philosophy or science for an answer.

Nope, if your different philosophy is fallacious, we have to state it that it's fallacious. Religion by default is a fallacy.

Specifically, God of the gaps fallacy. You have to acknowledge that.

DeepSight:
Workch is wrong. There is no scientific evidence that something may emerge from nothing.
See my response to him above.

Secondly, the concept of "nothing" is inherently problematic.
That which the so called scientists (such as the famed iidiot, Lawrence Krauss) refer to as "nothing" is in fact "something."

By definition, nothing means without mass, radiation or any detected force.

Something with mass and force has come out of that definition of nothing in quantum physics.

Rosement:
There is a difference between philosophy and science. Philosophy generates knowledge through thinking but science generates knowledge by observing and experimenting. Philosophy is not as deep as science, it is not capable of providing definite answers, we can only use philosophy to provide new ideas and questions for us to ponder over. For me, science has failed.

Science started a very long time ago, a lot of my ancestors met science but till today scientists are yet to conclude, I cannot keep waiting till I am out of this world. Since those three options have been proving to be possible by scientists, what is wrong with picking the one I am convinced is right? Option C cannot hurt me, whether it is right or not.

Freedom of decision is one of those things that made this world interesting. What makes me happy, might not make you happy because our choices are different and we don't think or act the same way. If religion is banned today, a lot of people might become unhappy and get tired of life.

God is the source of happiness for some of us. If religion is causing harm to me or making me unhappy, nobody will tell me before I reject it, God has helped me a lot. If you don't believe in religion, you don't have to accept it but please don't call it fallacy. If you don't like my food, instead of putting sand in it for me, go and eat your own food.

Is there a punishment for accepting God or is it a crime? If ignorance is the problem? Then allow me to be ignorant because this type of ignorance gives happiness and hope and it is very harmless. I don't even need too much knowledge because I am still doing to die one day and those knowledge will be worthless, what matters is my happiness. If everybody decides to reject God, what good will that do?

I am philosophically telling that religion is a fallacy of ad ignoratiam (appealing to ignorance). I have not even brought science here.

Religion peddles the premise: since we can't explain this hence God. It's a fallacy in philosophy, because we don't know yet doesn't mean that a god is responsible.
I'm not telling you now to appeal to ignorance but if you get to a renowned logical class, you will realize that "God did it" is fallacious. Religion is "God of the gaps" fallacy and that's why it doesn't require sound logic for you to uphold religion. You only need faith because relgion defies logic and reason.

Rosement:
There is nothing wrong with religion. I cannot choose for others but personally I pick Option C, I believe there is a Creator because the creation of the universe looks like a well thought out plan and some evidence are pointing to it.

I needed answers to my questions, that was what led to my search for the Creator.
Who am I? Why am I here? How did I get here? Where did I come from? What is the purpose of my existence? Where am I going? How was I made and how am I functioning? Who is behind the intelligence of all that is in the universe?

I discovered I am part of the creator's plan, so I was eager to know His reason for creating me.

If I believe there is a Creator and I ignore Him, it means I am ungrateful and narrow-minded. He gave life to me as a gift without me even requesting for it, He planned, designed and created this great and lovely universe for our convenience.

Each time, I wake up to see my love ones, I am always very grateful to the Creator. I am still alive dreaming of tomorrow and trying to achieve great things. I am setting goals and planning for the future and I am able to work hard to secure a future for myself and my unborn children, thanks to Him. Even if He refuse to step forward to take the credit, I would have personally searched for Him to show Him my gratitude.

something is wrong with religion.
Religion is a fallacy of appealing to ignorance in this regard. It's a fallacy of appealing to ignorance in the sense that, it assumes that because we have don't have the answer to a specific phenomenon, there havd to be a supernatural being responsible for it.
In philosophy and logic, this kind of reasoning s flawed and unacceptable. The best philosophical stand point is to say "we don't know yet". By doing this, you avoid every form of fallacies and give room for curiosity to thrive.