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Olayoo:
Let me ask you a question first. You are free to lie, I wouldn't know. Are you really open minded or hell bent on the fact that there is no evidence?

oohrhiifx:
I do not understand what you mean by Without evidence.

First let’s define what the word Evidence means.

Evidence : the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I personally see evidences of God all around me everyday. I’ll name a few:

I see it physically as land that I walk on, diverse trees that are all around me, Air that I feel and breath, water that I drink , birds, diversity in humans, animals, etc. I see God and his work everywhere. I won’t even go spiritual here.

You see referring to the Definition of Evidence above. It’s an available body of facts. But facts are still subject to personal believe or trust, you see we can only choose to believe or trust what we want to believe or trust. You can have a fact right in front of you and still choose to doubt the viability of the fact.

Man choose to believe what they want to believe.

The burden of proof that God exist is not on God. It’s on those that say he doesn’t exist. They need to prove that he doesn’t, and they have been trying to for many years without a single success.

The question is, do you believe the evidences around you or not.? If no then proof how they are not evidences of Gods existence.

Shalom.

Olayoo:
Is part of the perks of being an atheist misunderstanding statements? Cause if you really read what I posted you'll know that this physical elements I attributed as god (quark and wave) exist physically. So puleeease, tell me there is no evidence.

Niflheim:
@OP,

You claim that Christianity is about the "finished works" of Christ!!!

Are you referring to CARPENTRY?

AuthenticKing:
Interesting!

So how does the skeptic find answers to the question, "How can I ascertain that this is true?"...
Like seriously, I'm a very deep person and I feel things very deeply, though I have this inner conviction that these beliefs are merely metaphorical but still, occuring circumstances really affect me and can make me brood for days.

So how does the skeptic find answer or answers to the above question?

Olayoo:
OK. Let me get this straight. When you mean god doesn't exist ,like u are inferring the fact than even if this stuff is not conscious and it's the primal stuff in which all things come from ( either a wave or a quark) and I call it God( I'm not "god of the gapping" here if you understand English). Does that mean

A. He only exist in my mind. It's entirely subjective since I just made that up. Which will be weird because
B. Its not entirely subjective because it exist physically and I choose to name it metaphorically as god.
Ergo, will then mean god exist non consciously since I decide to name it as god. Plus, it ticks all the necessary boxes to exist. First, it has a physical base, it is the reason for existence of all things and I choose to name it god.
So god exist. Except if you want to rephrase your topic headline as why a christian or Muslim god doesn't exist which we can still disprove. Enjoy thinking about it.

Ken4Christ:
The most important thing in our lives is our salvation. And you can only get saved by accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. This has nothing to do with opinion. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

Ever8090:
lol..thanks for your contribution but I don't think I need it

MaxInDHouse:
Then what do you have to say about the origin of life if God doesn't exist is not a believe?
Remember you must explain to your child how life came about and you will like the child to BELIEVE (TRUST) whatever answer you give!

donbachi:
Which evidence pass the air u're breathing?

Ever8090:
lol..as much as I did like to connect with people that can help me, I still won't trade that for any trashy believe that God does not exist.as I earlier said, even if he won't respond to my plight, I still love and cherish him beyond this your perfect reasoning.

hupernikao:
Thanks for taking time to read.

Sure question should be asked. That's what bible study is for. To investigate well.


Now, following my earlier thought pattern, we can fully infer that oral tradition played an important role on the text of the Bible. I try focusing on Moses first because that's what set the pace for others.

There are internal evidence in the Bible that showed Moses was taught and raised to know the events, the stories about God and his environment. I have posited that in my earlier comment, he as a prophet of God was now able to use them all, reading and reasoning them together to explain God's thoughts by the Spirit inspiration.

You will see something similar in Luke 24

Luke 24:44-46
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Notice he taught them from all the scriptures, yet they can't reason it together to understand the meaning. They read, heard and interpret the stories in silos.

In vs 45, their understanding were opened to now understand.

The word that they might understand is the Greek word suniemi. It is used for reasoning things together to know the essence.

It's like how you can reason together all courses (100L - 400L) you took in university and understand the reasons and how they are connected together. You can now see the bigger picture.

That's what Jesus did to them.

So what Moses did is to give a suniemi of those events.

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Now to the privacy.
I will take Genesis as a case study.

You will observed that detailed writing of private communication progressed as the books (Genesis) progressed.

Aside the Adam and Abel stories, you hardly find details of others until Genesis 6,Noah. Even at that details were exempted. Just clues as what any story teller can narrate.

For example, what you will see mostly are instructions given and how they acted on it. No details about personal life's.

God's instruction to Adam, to Eve, to Cain, Enoch were only captured and no other details. Aside the facts that those details aren't necessary, it is obvious the author only have limited information about their daily living. But the live style of each of them were summarized to capture the main essence through God's inspiration to the author.

A key example
Observe Abraham calling and compare to Moses calling.

When Abraham was called, we have no detail, we only have God's instruction to him and he followed. Few details developed later, but as such is also within instructions of events to happen.

Compare this to Moses at the burning bush. Details were not only given, the writer artistry and event coloration were portrayed in that single events. Key details were observed. Exodus 3 gives you a detailed narratives. Even upto Moses unspoken thoughts. Why? Because it was a first hand experience.

We can go on and on looking at other stories and events.

Another key details you will observe also is the fact that, counting or keeping days or dates was quite silent in early Genesis events. But from Moses, days and weeks and activities in them started having details. Hence that's beyond stories but their true experience.

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Lastly, on documentation about Moses death.

You must know from history that, firstly, a follower in the ancient world is allowed to complete his master's work and still name it after his master. This is a documented fact even some still hold this practice today.

Hence, it is obvious that the later part of Moses writings were documented by his disciples, likely Joshua who had much details and access to Moses privacy, notes, jotting and secrets. Hence it should not be strange to see him able to document some private information about him.

In all, a key element in all the writings is the fact that God's spirit upon them gave them the right understanding, access and coordination to be able to suniemi, a reading and understanding together, put things down and forsee God's bigger picture ahead of time even in their ancient dispositions.

Ever8090:
Your ability to know that he doesn't exist alone, is a proof of his existence..that he has not answered me does not change who he is and what he does,

Ever8090:
My life is in a mess, I feel like God himself have abandon me..I don't know what else to do, I have work hard all my life, I have prayed all kind of prayer yet, my life is nothing to be proud of.

At this point, it's in such a mess that I feel even God is against me.!..

FreelanceRebel:
You can win arguments for the sake of it. But that would not stop realities from materializing. From the beginning of Creation, there has been rich and poor people. Why are people poor or rich is a matter of another discussion. But Paul has this to say: **he that does not workch should not eat**. This is the beginning of being poor.

The Parable of the Talents she'd more light why some are poor, and while some are richer than others. The one that has 2bit of investment won't be as rich as the one who has 5bit of investment.

Knowledge, chance, opportunity, favors, mercy, insight, risk-taking, among others are factors that influence one becoming rich. Besides the afore mentioned, being shrewd is another factor.

Your op was maliciously done for the sake of argument, but in any case THANK GOD FOR EVERYTHING. THANKS TO GOD FOR SUPER EAGLES LOSING Too.

BegAt40:
@hardmirror
I'll be glad if you can provide explanation to this sir.
https://zamzam.com/blog/scientific-facts-in-quran/

Dtruthspeaker:
I get to Live Again, in a Good Full world, where evil people like you will never be there.

So, since you people have destroyed this one, YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL, ESPECIALLY AS IT IS BEING DESTROYED AND IT WILL BE DESTROYED BY THE LANDLORD.

I'LL RATHER TAKE THE NEXT FLIGHT TO THE NEW WORLD THE LANDLORD SHALL MAKE AFTER PERMANENTLY REMOVING AND DESTROYING TO THE DNA, ALL THE EVILS WHO DESTROYED THIS ONE.

SO YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL! I'LL RATHER WAIT FOR THE NEW ONE.

THANK GOD THIS ONE IS EVEN OLD, I REFER NEW THINGS.

Wilddove:
my brother it's very serious. can you pls let out those things that makes you believe there's no God, let me clear it out for. i really pray you join me soon #God is real

Image123:
So you still presume that IQ is the same as education, SMH.

MaxInDHouse:
Can your knowledge make people vow never to raise weapons against one another? Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If so please i'm on my knees i will enrol in your school, but if not then your so called knowledge is as useless as my poo!

Image123:
Don't say i didn't warn you on mum and dad, i did the best.

Image123:
Lol, i figured you'd be interested in the video evidence. Are you afraid of the Truth? It's been a while you logged in with your other moniker BTW, you forgot the password?

MaxInDHouse:
KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information. All living things have some level it it.

But

WISDOM is the practical application of accumulated information which results in lasting benefits. Only Jehovah's Witnesses have this!

cornelboy:
Jehovah God is my own God. If your own na flying jetli talk make we know now.

cornelboy:
God is spirit, no matter what you do you can't get the evidence. Leave evidence of God for people wey believe in God.
How would you get evidence for something you don't believe exists at all? Definitely your looking for nothing.
If any scientist can perform a BigBang experiment in a laboratory and produce a living creature, I'll believe you.
I didn't exist randomly, nature was planned by someone.

cornelboy:
I don't argue with atheists. The big bang na just theory.

Truvelisback:
Good day, Fellas. These are some signs that u may have a prophetic call:
1. Clear Dreams, visions or trances or hear God's still or audible voice.
2. People rarely understood u. They see u as a strange person, including ur family members or love ones.
3. Rejection from people. Yes, prophets are the most rejected people of all the five fold ministries. They suffer rejections from people, including from love ones.
4. They are ocstrasized. They are usually hated and mocked inspite of their amazing prophetic gift.
5. They are usually lonely or suffers loneliness. If u are experiencing these, it's likely u have a prophetic call.