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waldigit:
On that note I submit that "fact" may not be the "truth" . Do you agree?

lol
Your way of reasoning is worrisome

waldigit:
I have given enough evidences. If you don't like them, well that's not my problem. One day you will understand.

You are not giving evidence. You are making more claims.

You don't know what evidence is

Rituals is fake, it doesn't work though

paxonel:
OK,

Agnostic atheist

written by Albert Einstein himself.
Religious people don't research and that's why you believe whatever nonsense

Mystic969:
He believed in the supernatural

nope, he didn't sir.
Inform yourself. It's impossible to be that smart and still believe in God

Ken4Christ:
Maybe we should try this. If it's possible for us to meet. Put poison in our food or drink and let's eat it at the same time. I will survive the poison but you will not be alive to tell the story. This will prove that the life of Christ in me is indestructible.

I have eaten poisoned food and drinks several times and I am still alive. If you eat it, you will die.

The Christ life is a higher life. It is a superior life. Jesus makes you a supernatural being.

We don't have to meet Ken for you provide evidence for your God.
You will die if I give you poison Ken, don't be a crazy fanatic

elated177:
Workch, tell me a little about yourself.

what do you want to know?

waldigit:
The proof you ask for are too numerous to mention. I have discussed some of them in my earlier post but if they are not convincing enough to you, I will do more.
You and I mean your goodself are a living proof that God is real. No big bang has been able to produce by a random process NOKIA 3310 let alone human homosapiens like you, brilliant enough to engage in intellectual debate on existence of God. Beloved you are fearfully and wonderfully created by Almighty God.

whether big bang produced nokia phone or not is the most unintelligent arhuent for a god. It's not evidence that your God exist.

Give us evidence

suicidesheep:
He doesn't need to attend any philosophical class. He just doesn't know how to argue

Or maybe he knows that he doesn't have evidence and he's suffering from cognitive dissonance.

Ken4Christ:
The evidence is in the Bible. There are two kinds of knowledge. They are sense knowledge and Revelation knowledge. You can't find the devil by sense knowledge unless he reveals himself to you physically. And quite a few people have seen the devil one on one. You also can't find God with sense knowledge. You find him through Revelation knowledge.

Ken, the Bible is bunch of clams by Christians. It's not evidence for anything

This world is more than a physical world. One proof of this is the dreams we experience. Don't you dream? The dream world is real.

dreams are not evidence for god. Dreams are evidence of neurons rewiring themselves to created a movie-like scenario when we enter the REM stage of sleep. You need some education Ken.

Each time you celebrate your birthday, you are telling yourself and the world that Jesus is real because your birthday is with reference to the greatest man that ever lived who is God in the flesh.

My birthday has nothing to do with God or Jesus Ken, it just the remembrance of the day I was born made possible by earth orbiting the sun.

No archeologist could find his body. Even those who killed him couldn't find his body. He rose from the dead and went to heaven in the presence of his disciples. And he is coming back soon.

This is jot prove for god Ken. You are making more and more claims and not evidence. Because no one found Jesus body is not prove that your God is real ken.

So, if you are looking for physical evidence, you won't find it. The only one is the empty grave of Jesus.

The smartest way to validate anything is testable evidenc, this includes the claims made by Christians Ken. It you cannot provide it and keep hiding from providing it then sane people will always question your relgion.

Only those who believe will be saved. If you don't believe, you will be damned.

You can believe whatever you like Ken, it doesn't mean it is true. You can even believe that tress can talk, it's okay as long as it makes you sleep at night. No one can stop you from believing ridiculous things Ken.

And if you receive him into your heart, you will experience peace that money can't buy. You will know that you are changed man.

I have to see you demonstrate the evidence before I believe you Ken. There's no peace in religion Ken, it's the reaok why the most religious countries are not the most peaceful countries Ken. That's includes Nigeria.

Jesus is alive and he is still changing lives. He wants to change yours. Why not believe and experience true transformation.

There's no evidence for his Ken. Give me evidence to test

waldigit:
I am not the OP who "think" there's no God. I have no doubts that's why I don't look around for proofs. But for you and your team you have responsibility because the leader of your team use the word" think" which is not scientific and connotes doubt.

A disbelief in God is because you have refused to provide proof for a belief in God.

The claim is thus: there's God
The Op doesn't believe that claim.
You have to provide evidence for Op to believe and not tell him to find evidence for you. That's silly

If you made the claim, you find the evidence and not shifting the burden of proof to those who don't believe your claims. Did you even attend any philosophy class in your life?

jamesid29:
If I'm getting you correctly, you're saying Space was created about at the big bang.... Yes?

it wasn't created, it started with the big bang.

paxonel:
upload a link to any of the reference you claim you wrote in the op if you are not lying.
Who cares about reading through your lies?

Meanwhile, check a Wikipedia report about him contrary to your deluded op that he was an atheist

You are the deluded sole here.
Albert is atheist. He's agnostic atheist. I can give you 100s of the writtens where he stated that. Maybe your post was before he finally became atheist.
Even on his sick bed, he based relgion. You live under a rock?

paxonel:
Lies! Lies! Lies!

where are your reference or links?

You are asking for reference when there are references in the post. Its either you are lazy to read or lazy to search for the reference on google or you totally dont understand the term called reference

jamesid29:
where does Space come into this equation?

From big bang

waldigit:
It's your responsibility to do it. Due diligence is your responsibility if you doubt anything. That's the principle of science. Research.
If you think anybody's testimony is not convincing enough as a scientist you bust it by conducting a scientific inquiry.
For example if someone says he died and came back to life, you can verify that by requesting for their medical records. If they claim they went to heaven, you have lie detector as a machine to verify that.
You are a scientist, you should know better now. I am not supposed to be teaching you your job now!

The burden of proof lies on someone making the claim and not on the person who doesn't believe his bogus claims.

No one is going to help you find evidence for your fictions, you created the fiction, you provide evidence for it else we won't believe it

That's how it works dude

jamesid29:
What do you mean by the universe cannot be created nor destroyed?

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The universe is 100% energy in different forms.
you can only convert this energy from one form to another

waldigit:
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Legal professional use cross examination. You can borrow from it. The technique is cross examination.

have you examined it?
How did you do it?

"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.”

- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2

If one assumes that the man knew what he was then he may well have been an atheist, at least he was when he made the above statement.
In other communication he calls religions, even his birthright of Judaism childish…

“…the word 'god' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

He went on, "…the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

So draw whatever conclusions you like…

If you are still paying tithe, you be mumu

CoolUsername:
Tattoo it on your forehead

ok I will

CoolUsername:
So what? Even if its true that on average atheists score higher on IQ tests, it's pure cringe to be posting it online to our en religious people.

"People who boast about their IQ are losers."
—Stephen Hawking (2004)

where should I post it, on your door?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Atheism can also be said to be the the belief that gods doesn't exist..
Right or wrong?
So why can't you be martyred cos of that belief or idealogy..it musn't be really about religion..
A Marty is someone who suffers persecution due to his belief..faith..and cause...
So sure atheist can be martyred and it happened..

Atheism is not a belief.
It's a "disbelief" in the claim made by religious people that God exist which they have refused to provide evidence for since the idea was first conceived.

I don't believe is the key word

waldigit:
Have you been able to verify theories of evolution and big bang under a controlled conditions? Yet you teach them to your gullible audience?
Faith is not only thing that proves God' existence. In fact the easiest way is by common sense. Another way is by science but not a-friori (cause to effect) but posteriori ( effect to cause) The Bible is right in that.
Go and learn about vortex mathematics works of non bias scientist like Nicholas Tesla and Michael Rodin. Shalom.

The topic is how can we test the testimony of the pastor to be true.
This is not a biology class.
Just provide a way for us to test those testimonies.

CoolUsername:
This is a massive reddit moment you're having right here. I'm an atheist and there are religious people that I'm smarter than. Likewise, there are those who are smarter than me.

I didn't suddenly become smarter than I used to be once I started questioning religion. Also, there are atheists who fall into the same logical pitfalls that you believe only religious people fall into.

how come you find it hard to understand the word "average"?

DeepSight:
"I sense that your responses will remain the same from this point on and my further responses to your responses will also remain the same, so there will very likely be no point in continuing this conversation."

You have been correct by several people on this thread not to commit fallacy from ignorance but you won't stop.

We don't know doesn't mean that you are right. It's as simple as that.

Not evidence is no evidence, don't create stuffs to fill the gap.

Don't be an incorrigible person

waldigit:
It shows you are not open to truth because you didn't bother to watch the video. That man is not a pastor. Watch the video then comment after.

The truth is we cannot test anything in that video.
How can we test that testimony to be true under a controlled condition?

DeepSight:
The problem you are having here is you are conflating the nature of something and the quantum of its energy. A certain quantity of two different food items may provide you with exactly the same amount of calories - but this does not make the food items the same. Rice would still be something different from bread even if they provide you with the same units of energy or calories. Likewise solar power and fossil fuels may provide you with the same units of the power of electricity, but they remain different substances at their core. Thus kindly understand that the fact that energy is constant does not mean it does not change form - it does - and this is constantly happening in the material universe, which is subject to constant change - and thus, the material universe is not immutable.

energy cannot be created nor destroyed, the universe in 100% energy. The universe cannot be created nor destroyed. What's difficult to understand in this? Energy cannot change from energy into something that is not energy.
Do you have problem with sticking to things with evidence rather than conjur stuffs without evidence?

This is not established for a fact.

The evidence before us states that the energy in the universe is constant at times and energy can only be constant in a closed system. It's a well established fact that the universe is a closed system.

You are the one making things up from thin air and even contradicting yourself in the process. You cannot say that they universe is a closed system - which you assert as a fact - and at the same time admit that we dont know what triggered the big bang. That is a complete contradiction because if you dont know what triggered the big bang you can never know if the universe is an open or closed system. This is cast in iron.

The universe is a close system sir. It's not a debate in science. It's only a debate outside of science.
Theres nothing like time before big bang, the perception of time is confined within the laws of our universe which didn't exist before big bang. Think dude

Occams razor is also known as the law of parsimony - remaining with the simplest supportable reasoning, if you like. Mind you, it must be supportable. It does not urge us to grope into voids and blank states. There must be support for the minimalist reasoning or answer we settle on. Your position lacks support, it lacks rationale, and thus you are not using the razor. Occams razor directs one to settle on the position with the fewest possible assumptions - whereas you have included unnecessary and even absurd assumptions in your position. I have already pointed you to a number of unsupportable assumptions included in your position. You have assumed the universe to be a closed system even while admitting that we do not know what triggered the big bang. You have also done violence to the meaning of "mutable" in your misguided application of the razor by conflating immutability with energy being constant. This is wrong - a thing which changes state may remain constant in terms of energy, and yet it has just "changed" its nature, or mutated if you like. Thats what shows it is mutable. So you use already too many wrong assumptions and thus you are not applying the razor.

Energy is not mutable, stop making that uninformed statement. Energy is always energy irrespective in what form it exist. Stop creating stuffs from thin air, stick to what we know and the evidence we have.

Stop embarrassing yourself by calling the universe immutable. It is highly mutable since it changes state. All matter is mutable since it changes state. Immutable things are therefore completely immaterial and intangible.

Energy is energy, it's immuatable but can exist in various forms. Your logic is flawed, energy is alway constant. And because it's constant, it cannot be created nor destroyed, it's a evidence that the universe cannot be created not destroyed as we know for now. Stick to that.

If you dont know what triggered the big bang you cannot conclude that the universe is an open or closed system - and once you cannot do that, then you cannot rule out the possibility that the energy for the bang came from somewhere else. Especially as the bang is an event which must occur in an already existing timeline.

If I don't know what triggered big bang, I will simply say "I don't know". I won go about making stuffs like "something existence outside of space and time" up. It's a fallacy of appealing to ignorance. I will rather wait until we find out.

I sense that your responses will remain the same from this point on and my further responses to your responses will also remain the same, so there will very likely be no point in continuing this conversation.

My response will remain thesem until you stop commiting fallacies and accept the correction that energy is constant, universe cannot be created nor destroy according to the law of thermodynamics and that we don't know is better than making stuffs up.

You have unwittingly answered your own poser with the bold. Perception of time is not the same thing as time. The perception of an ant and that of a human with respect to five minutes would differ greatly, and yet that period of time remains the same.

This is not evidence that time existed or exist outside of the universe. Stop making that up.
Just say you don't know yet

waldigit:
This man is also a smart man too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u93mB3aH1Q&feature=youtu.be

Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday.

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

waldigit:
To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist.

no one has captured anything in camera that spiritual things exist.
Give us the evidence in form of footage and photo. Let's analyze it or go get your Nobel prize in Sweden

NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.

The Lazarus phenomenon, or Lazarus syndrome, is defined as a delayed return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) after CPR has ceased. In other words, patients who are pronounced dead after cardiac arrest experience an impromptu return of cardiac activity. It's not evidence for god.

Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.

The Bible assumes that earth is fslt and was created in 6days, science has falsified that many times. There's nothing scientific about the Bible and its narratives.

Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

The Bible doesn't know anything about apace and time, the Bible as a matter of fact is a poor place for you go look up for things about space time or anything is science, it's a normal conjucture by religious people to further put their God hypothesis to where it cannot be questioned. The Bible was written by bronze age nomads who had no idea about how the universe work, it the reason you didn't see science lecturers or teachers make references to the Bible when teaching science. The Bible is a myth peddled by one of thr religions of the world called Christianity, it does make any sense in science class.
This is not evidence that God exist

You are assuming that the Bible and your religion is the ultimate while disregarding the fact that we have 4000 religions who equally think theirs is the ultimate.

And people will believe this nonsense

TAYO124:
The idea of You existing is a delusion too.
Simply complete your line of thought.

how does this got to do with the existence of a god?
He exist because his parents had sex and fertilization occurred that led to him.
How does that prove a God?