₦airaland Forum

Kingsnairaland:
Do you know you have a human spirit

i don’t know, do you?

Kingsnairaland:
Yes

ok good, does this mean that I have the ability to make this decision by myself irrespective of what god knew or planned for me?

Kingsnairaland:
Are you ready to worship him

Just answer the question, you can’t convert any atheist with your flawed logic.

If I decide to repent, will I make heaven contrary to god’s plan?

haddeylium:
Really? I agree with you.
Maybe I'll have sit with my 4-year-old cousin that believe fish, dog, python and barbie can speak. Atleast that is what was portrary to him on the TVs.
He couldn't have known better anyway. Cos' his knowledge of it his limited to that.
How do you want me to explain ventriloquism to him?

Just let him understand that what he’s watching are fictions and that animals don’t talk in reality, whether by ventriloquism or otherwise.

MaxInDHouse:
ARGUING?
Do i hear you say "arguing"?
Well i'm just catching fun!
When i see those who truly need the evidence i'll show them. As for you, you're just a standing comedian that's looking for where to display your talent so i'm entertaining myself with your talks!

Yeah, those that won’t ask to measure your evidence.
Those that will accept whatever jargons you have to say without coherent reasoning and logic

Kingsnairaland:
If those people were alive by now you would have been dead as a result of their wicked ways

Imagine what Hitler did imagine if someone killed him at birth what his death could have prevented

You will never be able to convert any atheist if you don’t work all your logic and reasoning. Seriously

Kingsnairaland:
You can not bother about what God destined rather you should be focused on worshiping him no matter what he plans for you

As long as you do your own part you don't need to be afraid of the end result

Does god know that I will go to hell before I was born?

Kingsnairaland:
Your job is to counter Satan and Satan own Job is to stop you do your job and don't bother about Satan job

Is all these according to God’s plan?

Kingsnairaland:
Where do you go to when you sleep

Guy common, stop asking silly questions.
You remain in your room when you sleep

Kingsnairaland:
God knows it doesn't affect your freewill your freewill is your own will to enjoy while it lasts

Does freewill also include that I can repent and make heaven?

Kingsnairaland:
Now that you think that this is a good conclusion now ask your self
Should I worship him or should I hate him

Since you now know hating God will lead to death and worshiping him will lead you to life forever more

Where is the freewill If god has already destined me for hell?

Kingsnairaland:
You are refusing to see the big picture

You can't question God because what ever God does is perfect his decision are pure and great whatever he wants to do is the ultimate

So when you begin to see that his plans are great then you will know he is worthy of praise

You just have two options worship him or hate him

Ask yourself which one did I decide to do

If god destined me to go to hell, where is the freewill ?

haddeylium:
What about you? Isn't that what you belief? That your own view is the correct one.

The interesting thing is not the fact that someone believes to be right, but their reasons for that belief. And our reasons are in our understanding of the Bible which is working out among the adherent.

The fact that E=mc2 will always outbeat whatever contrary equation because the application is working out

Nothing in reality justifies a talking snake.

Don’t portray cognitive dissonance

Kingsnairaland:
Psalm 147:5
Verse Concepts
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
Verse Concepts
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Verse Concepts
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
Verse Concepts
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
Verse Concepts
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them.

Hebrews 4:13
Verse Concepts
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-4
For the choir director. A Psalm of David.
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.
read more.
Psalm 44:21
Verse Concepts
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
Verse Concepts
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

Isaiah 40:28
Verse Concepts
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become weary or tired.
His understanding is inscrutable.

Isaiah 46:9-10
“Remember the former things long past,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Psalm 139:1-3
For the choir director. A Psalm of David.
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.
1 Kings 8:39
Verse Concepts
then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart You know, for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men,

Acts 1:24
Verse Concepts
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen

If god destined me for hell, what’s the freewill in that?

Kingsnairaland:
omniscience does not hinder freewill

If god knew that I will go to hell irrespective,what’s the freewill there?

TenQ:
It's not a strange behaviour of atheists and wanabe atheists on NL. When they are intimidated, they result to lies and misinformation.

Good night

If I were you, I will swallow my pride browse those two terms to understand them perfectly and how they operate.

You don’t know jack, you are a sciolist

TenQ:
It's not a strange behaviour of atheists and wanabe atheists on NL. When they are intimidated, they result to lies and misinformation.

Good night

I have tried making you see the difference between gravitational singularity and gravitational constant but you are scientifically illiterate.

This is why you should have paid attention in class, you will be muddling simple terms up.

MaxInDHouse:
What matters is something that's working out benefits so if you're not interested in that then keep searching for the evidence you seek, it's none of my business!

We won’t be arguing if you had said earlier that you didn’t have evidence for your claims.

Kingsnairaland:
Since God created satan why don't you believe he has a counter to Satan and he wants you to understand that Satan is small for you once you believe God

He doesn’t need to counter Satan Because Satan is acting according to his plans.

Satan is God’s plan.

haddeylium:
Sound like you met a good one.
This is the impact of not using the bible as a coffee table decoration. Reading and understanding are different. UNDERSTANDING will allow you filter out the truth from millions of interpretation

They all always day their own is correct. Lol

Kingsnairaland:
Omniscient does not force you to do against your freewill rather it knows what you want to do before you do it

What are you saying? Did you read what you typed before sending it?
This is height of cognitive dissonance?

Kingsnairaland:
He already took the blame and died in your place yet you still refused to believe in him

What more do you want him to do for you

He should also take the blame for creating Satan and giving Satan the power to cause problem.
It’s his fault, he knows all and it’s his fault that he knew it and didn’t do anything about it.
Nobody is going to bear responsibilities for his plans.

Don’t exonerate him, everything is his plan.

Kingsnairaland:
Why can't you humble yourself and say God what ever you want from me I will submit to you

Until you acknowledge that God hold all the cards before you can get whatever you want from God

Satan is a tool meant to show you you have eternal life in you once you believe God

So it means god caused all the problem by deliberately making Satan the tool.

It’s god plan and Satan is not gonna take the plan for the flawed God’s plan.

Kingsnairaland:
Why can't you humble yourself and say God what ever you want from me I will submit to you

Until you acknowledge that God hold all the cards before you can get whatever you want from God

Satan is a tool meant to show you you have eternal life in you once you believe God

Humble what, you are making logical flaws and you want me to listen to your nonsense?

You humble yourself and learn basic logic and terms.

If you take this argument to an English class, you will be ridiculed.

How can you say freewill and omniscience are compatible and expect that I listen to you?

Correct that error first

TenQ:
See how you are twisting yourself
See the attached!

And after educating you about your mixup, you still have effontry to accuse me about your own misunderstanding




I rest my case

lol, educating who?

Dude, you can’t differentiate gravitational singularity from a gravitational constant.

You are illiterate and proud in it.

Go learn basic science and come back. Start with the difference between gravitational singularity and gravitational Constant.

Even a secondary school physics student cannot find it hard to understand basic science terms like you do.

Image123:
Look right in the mirror, you're the one glaringly asking the stupid questions here. The Bible says no such thing about snakes talking. Use that God given brain of yours, it's starting to atrophy.

seems you are person who doesn't have a god and brain here.

Gen. 3:4–5 and 3:22) The serpent has the ability to speak and to reason: "Now the serpent was more subtle (also translated as "cunning" than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made".

haddeylium:
The snake was a snake. But Satan used the snake to talk to Eve. Similar to how a ventriloquist would use other objects to appear as though it's speaking.
You grab?

I will add your interpretation to the 1000 that I have. Seems you all don't reach common grounds on your interpretations

Kingsnairaland:
God

So if God created satan and God knew Satan will cause problems before he created him, who takes the blame?

The creator who knew the outcome or the creation who is acting the script?

alphaNomega:
How they reason can be summed up in 2 words, cognitive dissonance. Just imagine what Kingsnairaland has been responding to verses that clearly show the Bible is contradicting itself.

Only someone like that would say an exercise book is a refrigerator because his God says so, but even a toddler can see they are two completely different objects.

Like their lives depend on defending stuffs that are illogical.

Religion is crazy, you reach a conclusion then you start looking for evidence to defend that conclusion. It doesn't matter whether your evidence is coherent or logical, you can even go as far as distorting facts to support your claim.

Every good English student knows that omniscient and freewill are not compatible. Damn

Kingsnairaland:
Why can't you see the big picture

God knows what your freewill will actually do ahead of time

Naturally you can't go against his own will because God is greater than our hearts our own will

Your freewill can't over ride God's own because you are a created being

Stop trying to fight this principles because you are only hurting yourself

Devil tried it and burnt himself up

Devil was planing how to be like the most high on his heart using his freewill and God intervened so nothing goes past God

Because the heart the freewill is laid open before God

I'm not gonna see how omniscient and freewill works together. It doesn't make sense

It's flawed, flawed argument.
You claim God knew everything but you don't want him to take all the blames for setting such a ridiculous plan.

Who will take the blame for all his flawed plans? Me?

Ehiscotch:
You are a non-believer to a God you do not know.

Your opinion of God is garnered from the words, character or lifestyle of those who claim to know him but they really aren't Christians or are misguided or misinformed in some parts about his character or attributes.

The only way to really know is to sincerely see for yourself.
It is like drawing conclusions on a book or movie from people's opinions or reviews or criticisms without watching it yourself.

I know the Bible, there's nothing about the Bible you want to tell me that I don't know. That's because I read it myslef and didn't wait for pastors interpretation.

I'm an atheist because I read the Bible clearly

Ehiscotch:
None. Tithe was a command to the Israelites to pay 10% of their agricultural produce to the Levitical priests — these Levites were only permitted to work in the temple, so they couldn't work or farm.

But there was a time when the Israelites stopped bringing these tithes and offerings to the temple and God used Malachi ( a prophet) to warn them to desist from doing so.

God's law generally came with both a blessing and a curse for obedience and disobedience respectively. .

And whenever they were disobeyed God sent a prophet to warn them (the Israelites) to repent or he was going to judge them.

Let me give you an illustration:

A man has five children, who jointly run his business but he is old and needs regular care and treatment. So the children, all adults, chose the last of them to quit work and take care of their aged father while they provide for both of them. Now, imagine the others renegading from this agreement and failing to provide support from the proceeds of this business. Do you think it fair to the father and the last child who is taking care of him?

You see charlatans have hijacked this old testament law and used it to enrich themselves from the ignorant or desperate members.

Maybe, you should read Malachi and educate your family and friends who are ignorant.

You are a Christian but you don't know your own Bible.

Israelites are not meant to bring the tithes to the temple. Malachi was referring to the levites and priests and not the isrealites.

Isrealites don't pay their tithes every years. They eat it on the first and second year and then give it to levites on the 3rd year. On 3rd year, the levites collect all the tithes and then pay the tenth of it to the temple of God (tithe of tithes). This is what eventually gets to the storehouse of God and not all the tithes every year. They do this every two years twice and then on the 7th year, they rest and not pay any tithe.

Malachi was referring to the levites who were remitting the tithe of tithes and not all Israelites.

These things are in your Bible but you don't read it, you allow pastors tell you what they like.