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alexis:
[s]What has Hamed Deedat argued that Shabir Ally hasn't? I have watched many of his debates and the themes are the same as is the same with many Islamic scholars, the denial of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ; the belief that Christians corrupted the Bible, the denial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and so on.

I keep asking you but you are scared to answer me:

I will ask again - Your holy text:

1. Confirmed that Mohammad slept with a 9 year old child as confirmed in your holy texts but in order to defend it, you said Mary was 12 years old and Joseph was 90. I asked you to show me and you quoted Catholic encyclopedia as if the Catholic encyclopedia is the Bible.
2. Secondly, let us say the Bible and Catholics never existed - will Mohammad sleeping with a 9 year old child be appropriate? Will you give your 6 year old sister to marry a 54 year old man or your 9 year old daughter to have sexual intercourse with your grand-father?

Stop playing pretend and answer the question[/s]

Have finish your assignment?

fabre4:
they can't defend their blood thirsty religion what do you expect

Have you forgotten that you can not be safe from sin except with blood according to your belief

Annunaki:
[s]I see you are proud of the evil your prophet committed muslims are certainly cursed [/s]

You missed it again

Just interpreting your artworks

parisbookaddict:
Contd

But your head was seen "oscillating" (Explained by Rilwayne001 professor of yoruba language)

Annunaki:
Sunnah of the evil one

This one looks like when you were in the slave camp

fabre4:
they can't defend their blood thirsty religion what do you expect

No you got it wrong dude, they only realized you guyz to be laughing stock

You guys just turn [b]perish[/b]bookadict's post into language training post, does that mean she not to be taken serious at all (not important).

Language training is important than her

mubarakopeyemi:
confirm ni.
Posh version: ouch!!!!!

that your laughter is chinko one, you no kill person fa

basilico:
[s]Taqqiya. your story is meant to deceive and perpetuate the myth of Jerusalem.

It mentions Al Aqsa which was the furthest mosque about 60 miles from Umm Hanns bedroom where he was sleeping and probably making out with her.
The heaven he ascended to could have been the sexxual one.
But to his companions he cooked up going to see Allah in his wine filled abode.

And by the way the first muslim martyr died circa 615 AD before he ascended. I m surprised he did not meet her. He only found Jewish prophets.
Kinda odd that there he did not meet any Bedouin Arab there in Allah's paradise.[/s]

Peace be upon he who follow the righteous path

basilico:
Some several points from that fairy tell of ascension.

The prophets did not know him. Even Jesus did not know him .They kept asking who is he?
Allah was not sure about how many prayers , Moses made muhammad bargain several times from 50 times a day to 5 times.
There is wine in heaven.

Salaamu Ala mon ittabah li huda
Peace be upon he who follows the righteous path

Innal-hamda lillaah, nahmaduhu wa nasta’eenuhu wa nastaghfiruh, wana’oodhu billaahi min shuroori anfusinaa wa min sayyi-aati a’maalinaa,man yahdihi-llaahu fa laa mudilla lah, wa man yudlilhu fa laa haadiya lah,wa ash-hadu an laa ilaaha ilallaah, wahdahu laa shareeka lah, wa ash-haduanna muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluh.

Meaning

Truly all praise is due to Allah; we praise Him, seek His help, and askHis forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah from the evils of our selvesand our bad actions. Whomsoever Allah guides, none can turn himastray. And whomsoever Allah turns astray has none to guide him. Ibear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, the Only One without any partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad isHis servant and (final) messenger.

basilico:
[s]This is the story of ascension. A complete Arabian night fairy tale.
Dont forget that at this night travel the prophet had run away from the mosque to be with Umm Hann whom he had long desired and was found by the companions there in the morning. Very embarrassing of him.



His heart was washed and filled with belief. Seriously ? The heart only pumps blood around the body. the mind controls the heart .
the angel or whoever opened his heart should have taken off his brain and thrown it away. We would not be having all these problems muslims are causing.[/s]

Please, I did not invite you to comment, it is meant to educate good heartened individuals.

Also it is not proper to lie against or abuse other individuals not to talk of those you or I hold in high esteem

May God guide you and I

The Israa and Miraj refer to, two parts of an miraculous journey that Prophet Muhammad took in one night from Makka to Jerusalem and then an ascension to the heavens.

Israa is an Arabic word referring to Prophet Muhammad’s miraculous night journey from Makka to Jerusalem – specifically, to the site of al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem – as referred to in Surah Al-Israa in the Quran.

It is believed to have been followed by the Mi’raj, his ascension to heaven. According to some of the Hadith scholars this journey is believed to have taken place just over a year before Prophet Muhammad migrated to from Makka to Madina, on the 27th of Rajab.

Muslims celebrate this night by offering optional prayers during this night, and in many Muslim countries, by illuminating cities with electric lights and candles.

Following is the translation of the first verse of chapter 17, Al-Israa, from the Quran that refers to this journey, followed by a detailed explanation of the verse by Sayyid Abul Ala Mawdudi.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Holy is He Who carried His servant by night from the Holy Mosque (in Makka) to the farther Mosque (in Jerusalem) – whose surroundings We have blessed – that We might show him some of Our signs 1. Indeed He alone is All-Hearing, All-Seeing. (Quran 17:1)

1 This is a reference to the event known as Mi’raj (Ascension) and Isra’ (Night Journey). According to most traditions – and especially the authentic ones – this event took place one year before Hijrah. Detailed reports about it are found in the works of Hadith and Sirah and have been narrated from as many as twenty-five Companions. The most exhaustive reports are those from Anas ibn Malik, Malik ibn Sa’sa’ah, Abu Dharr al-Ghifari and Abu Hurayrah. Some other details have been narrated by ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud, ‘Abd Allah ibn Abbas, Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, and ‘A’ishah among other Companions of the Prophet .




The Quran here only mentions that the Prophet was taken from the Ka’bah to the mosque in Jerusalem, and specifies that the purpose of the journey was such that God might “show him some of His signs”. Beyond this, The Quran does not concern itself with any detail. However, according to Hadith reports, Gabriel took the Prophet at night from the Ka’bah to the mosque in Jerusalem on a buraq.* On reaching Jerusalem the Prophet along with other Prophets offered Prayers. (Al-Nasa’i, Sunan, K. al-Salah, ‘Bab Fard al-Salah wa Dhikr Ikhtilaf al-Naqilin…’ -Ed.) Gabriel then took him to the heavens and the Prophet met several great Prophets in different heavenly spheres. (See al-Nasa’i, Sunan, K. al-Salah, ‘Bab Fard al-Salah’ – Ed.) Finally, he reached the highest point in the heavens and was graced with an experience of the Divine Presence. On that occasion the Prophet received a number of directives including that Prayers were obligatory five times a day. (Al-Bukhari, K. Manaqib al -Ansar, ‘Bab al-Mi’raj ; K. al-Tawhid, ‘Bab Kallama Musa Taklima‘ – Ed.) Thereafter, the Prophet returned from the heavens to Jerusalem, and from there to the Holy Mosque in Makka. Numerous reports on the subject reveal that the Prophet was also enabled on this occasion to observe Heaven and Hell. (Al-Bukhari, K. al_Salah, ‘Bab Kayfa Furidat al-Salah fi al-Isra‘ and Ibn Hisham, Sirah, vol. I, p. 404 – Ed.)

It may be recalled that according to authentic reports when the Prophet narrated the incidents of this extraordinary journey the following day to the people in Makka, the unbelievers found the whole narration utterly amusing. (Muslim, K, al-Iman, ‘Bab Dhikr al-Masih ibn Maryam’ – Ed.) In fact, even the faith of some Muslims was shaken because of the highly extraordinary nature of the account. (See Ibn Hisham, Sirah , vol. I, p.398 and al-Qurtubi, comments on verse 1 of the surah – Ed.)




The details of the event provided by the Hadith supplement the Quranic account. There is no reason, however, to reject all this supplementary information on the grounds that it is opposed to the Quran. Nevertheless, if someone is not quite convinced and hence does not accept some of the details concerning the Ascension mentioned in the Hadith as true, he should not be considered an unbeliever. On the contrary, if someone were to clearly deny any part of the account categorically mentioned in the Quran, he would be deemed to have gone beyond the fold of Islam.

What was the nature of this journey? Did it take place when the Prophet was asleep or when he was awake? Did he actually undertake a journey in the physical sense or did he have a spiritual vision while remaining in his own place? These questions, in our view, have been resolved by the text of the Quran itself. The opening statement: “Holy is He Who carried His servant by night from the Holy Mosque to the farther Mosque… ” (verse 1) itself indicates that it was an extraordinary event which took place by dint of the infinite power of God. For quite obviously, to be able to perceive the kind of things mentioned in connection with the event, either in a dream or by means of intuition, is not so wondrous that it should be prefaced by the statement : “Holy is He Who carried His servant by night…” ; a statement which amounts to proclaiming that God was free from every imperfection and flaw. Such a statement would make absolutely no sense if the purpose of it was merely to affirm that God had the power to enable man to have either visions in the course of a dream, or to receive information intuitively. In our view, the words of the experience or a dream vision, was an actual journey, and the observation in question was a visual observation. All was contingent upon God’s will that truths be revealed to the Prophet in this fashion.

Now, let us consider the matter carefully. The Quran tells us, in clear terms, that the Prophet , went from Makka to Jerusalem and then returned to Makka during the night (obviously, without the use of anything resembling an aircraft), owing to God’s power. Now, if we believe this to be possible, what justification can there be to reject as inherently impossible the additional details of the event mentioned in the traditional sources? Statements declaring certain acts to be possible and others to be beyond the range of possibility are understandable if these acts are deemed to have been performed by creatures in exercise of the natural powers with which they are endowed.

However, when it is clearly stated that it is God Who did something out of His power, any doubts about the possibility of these acts can be entertained only by those who do not believe God to be all-powerful.

Those who reject the Hadith as such raise several objections against the traditions concerning this incident. It seams that only two of these objections are worth of any consideration.

First, it is claimed that the contents of the traditions relating to the Ascension imply that God is confined to a particular place. For had that not been the case, it is argued there would have been no need to transport the Prophet in order for him to experience the presence of God. Second, it is questionable whether the Prophet was enabled to observe Heaven and Hell and to see people being chastised for their sins even though they had not yet been judged by God. How is it that people were subjected to punishment even before the coming of that Day when all will be judged?




Both these objections, however, carry little substance, The first objection is to be rejected on the grounds that although the Creator is infinite and transcends both time and place, yet in dealing with His creatures He has to have recourse to the means which are finite and are circumscribed by time-space limitations. This is because of the inherent limitations of man. Hence when God speaks to His creatures, He employs, of necessity, the same means of communication which can be comprehensible to the latter even though His Own speech transcends the means employed in the speech. In like fashion, when God wants to show someone the signs of His vast kingdom, He takes him to certain places and enables him to observe whatever he is required to observe. For it is beyond the power of man to view the universe in the manner God can. While God does not stand in need of visiting a certain place in order to observe something that exists there, man does need to do so. The same holds true of having a direct encounter with the Creator. Although God is not confined to a particular place, man needs to experience His presence at a defined place where the effulgence of His Being might be focused. For it is beyond man’s power to encounter God in His limitlessness.

Let us now consider the second objection. That too is fallacious for the simple reason that the objects shown to the Prophet represented , in symbolic form, certain truths. For instance , a mischievous statement has allegorically been represented by a fat ox that could not return via the small hole through which it had come. (See Ibn Kathir, Tafsir, comments on Bani Isra’il 17:1 – Ed.) Or the other allegory relating to those who indulge in fornication – that they prefer to eat rotten meat when fresh, clean meat is available to them. (Loc.cit ; see also Ibn Hisham, vol. 1 p. 406 – Ed.) The same holds true for the punishments to which sinners will be subjected in the Next Life – they are anticipatory representations of the sufferings to which they will be subjected in the Life to Come. The main point which needs to be appreciated regarding the Ascension is that it belongs to a genre of experience through which each Prophet is enabled to observe- consonant with his standing and mission – aspects of God’s dominion of the heavens and the earth. Once the material barriers to the normal vision of human beings are removed, it becomes possible to view physically, the realities which the Prophets are required to summon others to believe in as part of faith in the Unseen. This is done in order to distinguish the Prophets from mere speculative philosophers. For a philosopher’s contentions are based on speculative reason and hence are essentially conjectural. Were a philosopher to recognize his true position – the position of a philosopher – he would shrink from testifying to the truth of his contentions. In contrast, what the Prophets say is based on their direct knowledge and observation. They can testify before others with full conviction that whatever they expound are realities which they themselves have directly perceived.

Note:

*Buraq was the name of the heavenly steed on which the Prophet rode on his nocturnal journey from Makka to Jerusalem, and then to the heavens (For this nocturnal journey q.v. Mi’raj.)

alexis:
So I should use google now instead of the Quran abi? You are a joke. Go study some history Bros. So far, you have been successful is showing your ignorance

But you said the prophet did not recite the qura'an doesn't that sounds oblivious on your path. Did you see why you are not worth arguing with.

Richirich713:
No paul is a apostle of jesus. Jesus is his Lord and savior.

Abraham was a jew who believed in Yahweh.

He was not a Muslim.

you don't want to see nor listen to someone but you claim to be his apostle after his death

Please don't tell me the same lie Paul gave as evidence

Hope you got the message

Please provide

1- Biblical prove that Abrahm was a Jew. Don't forget you Christians also call he "Father of Faith"

2- Al least 3 attributes of Jewish religion that Abrahm possessed according to the bible

frank317:
This thread is obviously embarrassing my Muslim friends. Johnny why now?

But this Empiree and Yazach no shame shaa. You only see their lips flapping so fast when you pick loopholes in the bible. Well uncle Mo must have been a clown, even my grandfather would have done better.

No b only flying horse... Na superman.

So you believe donkey really talked as according to the bible?

No be only talking donkey
Na mute donkey

Hope you got that message right

alexis:
I find it hard to keep a dialog with someone who insist on being ignorant. If you seriously want to see the experts of both sides of the argument, please will refer you to Shabir Ally vs. David Wood on several topics. I consider Shabir Ally to be one of the best Islamic scholars of our time. David Wood, a former atheist now Christian is one of the newest and detailed Christian apologetic of our time. I suggest you watch their debates, perhaps it will give you some insight into Islamic theology before you come here and make a fool of yourself

No you should rather pick up hamed deedat's book to liberate your discourteous

He makes me laugh "he consider shabir Ally to be one of the best Islamic scholar".
I try to know his yardstick for that
later he will spew "intellect"

parisbookaddict:
Making jest of a Christian girl beheaded by muslims... u have no shame

You got it wrong, this is not christian girl but incorrect head of parisbookaddict

Both maclatunji and Lalasticlacla may save a family by letting people know their duties to women honestly

Ways To Please Your Wife

1 - Make her feel secure- don’t joke about divorcing her, this will put a hole in your marriage.

2 - Always greet her whenever you arrive

3 - Your wife is a fragile vessel so take care of her- In this vessel there is a lot of goodness so treat her in a gentle manner.

4 - Advice her in privacy and the best timing. Don’t advice her in the presence of others, it can be a type of humility

5 - Be generous with her

6 - Move out of your way for her, when she’s coming to sit get up and let her sit on your seat tell her: ‘here honey sit I warmed up the seat for you’

7 - Avoid anger.

8 - Look good for her and smell great.

9 - Don’t be rigid, you will broken- just because you are a man doesn’t mean you have to be harsh hearted

10 - Be a good listener

11 - Say yes for flattering and no for arguing.

12 - Call your wife with the best names she likes to hear. i.e: the prophet (Saw) used to call Aisha- A’ish!

13 - Surprise her secretly. Ex: Bring her a watermelon when it’s not the season of watermelons. Pick and choose in surprising her, be an artist in surprising her pleasantly.

14 - Preserve the tongue.

15 - Accept her shortcomings/ everyone has one.

16 - Show your appreciation to her.

17 - Encourage her to be in touch with her kin relations.

18 - Speak topics of her interest.

19 - Speak of her goodness in the presence of others

20 - Shower her with gifts. The prophet (saw) said: give gifts and you’ll love each other’ MML It’s doesn’t matter how cheap or expensive the gift is, it’s the thought that counts!

21 - Get rid of the same old routine once in a while, scrub the rust. Ex: Buy her ticket to a vacation cruise or something that she will enjoy.

22 - Think good of her- husn althan-

23 - Ignore some of the words/actions you don’t like

24 - Add a drop of patience- It can go a long way- i.e: at her time of pregnancy, menses…etc

25 - Expect and respect her jealousy.

26 - Be humble

27 - Don’t put a price on her happiness.

28 - Help her around household chores just like the prophet (saw) did.

29 - Help her respect and love your parents and you also love and respect her parents

30 - Show her that she is an ideal wife; each and every wife is an ideal wife in many ways, so make her feel that.

31 - Make dua’a for her and always remember her in your dua’as

32 - Leave her past to Allah swt

33 - Don’t show her that you are doing favors by doing your duties

34 - Shaytaan/Satan is your enemy NOT your wife!

35 - When eating, don’t only feed yourself, feed her TOO! – Not only does it go to the stomach but to the heart too.

36 - Look at her as a precious pearl, treat her and take care of her like a precious pearl

37 - Speaking of pearlsà show her YOUR pearlsà SMILE! Don’t put your smile out-of-service when you reach home! Don’t be rigid, smiling is Sadaqah

38 - Don’t hold grudges. Deal with the littlest matters and don’t ignore them, it will build up and will create a wall between you and your wife.

39 - Avoid being harsh hearted and moody.

40 - Respect her thinking; her thinking strengthens you.

41 - Help her discover/develop her skills and her success within

42 - Respect the boundaries of the intimate relationship- it’s a fragile matter.

43 - Help her with the children; it’s not only her job it’s yours too!

44 - Complement her!-give her the gifts of the tongues-

45 - Don’t be a stranger to her meals, know your wife’s meals, and eat her food.

46 - Let her know when you are traveling don’t just disappear, and also let her know about your arrival.

47 - When arguments arise, deal with it and don’t run away from it.

48 - Don’t share your home secrets with your friends. Keep your privacy, and don’t make it a garage sale.

49 - Encourage each other to worship/obey Allah swt – Go for umrah together, listen to a lecture/recitation.-

50- Engrave her rights in your heart and in your conscious

51 - Treat her with kindness through happiness and sorrow

52 - Don’t jump on your wife like a ball!, in fact polish your love with many kisses- A kiss is a messenger- alqubulah rasool

53 - When disputes happen between you and your wife, don’t go and share it with the whole world.-don’t leave your wounds open for the germs-

54 - Show her that you care for her health.

55 - Don’t think that you are right all the time!-No one Is perfect but the prophet (saw)-

56 - Share you happiness and sorrow with her.

57 - Have mercy on her.

58 - Be the shoulder she can lean on!

59 - Accept her as is, she’s a bent rib so don’t try to straighten it.

*Side note: A dear friend once said: “a bent rib cannot be straightened, and in fact the beauty of it lies within its curve!”

60 - Have good intentions for your wife – alniyaatu atayibaah.

Say na parisbookaddict upload this pics, am 100% na her head dey for the picture you can see that from her post

Ori re n se ise kise "let lexiconkabir, mubarakopeyemi, Demmzy15, rilwayn borrow me the english for "ORI TO N SE ISE KISE"

Lalasticlacla please tell Nigerians the benefit of Mr President's TSA

Already, President Muhammadu Buhari’s resolve to rid Nigeria of corruptive elements is fast yielding results as billions of naira are being saved in the process.

Shortly after his inauguration, President Buhari ordered every Federal Government Ministry, Department and Agencies to start paying into a Treasury Single Account (TSA) for all government revenues, incomes and other receipts.

The Daily Times gathered that through the implementation of the TSA, a whopping N8 billion was uncovered in a single account in an old generation bank. The said amount is said to be operated in the name of a defence operation account.

A text message to the Group Head, Marketing and Corporate Communications of the bank, to authenticate the story, was not responded to as at press time. Similarly, Senior Special Assistant to President Buhari on Media and Publicity, Mallam Garba Shehu, did not also respond to a text message sent to him to speak on the alleged uncovering of the amount in the bank as at press time.

Col. Rabe Abubakar, Acting Director of Defence Information was also contacted through a text message but failed to respond to it as at press time.

It would be recalled that President Buhari had earlier promised state governors at the inaugural meeting of the National Economic Council, NEC, in June, that all revenues prescribed for lodgement into the federation account will be treated as such under his watch and that he will ensure strict compliance with all relevant laws on accounting, allocation and disbursement.

Since then, the Presidency has worked with relevant agencies of the Federal Government to evolve this policy directive.

This directive applies to fully funded organs of government like the Ministries, Departments, Agencies and Foreign Missions, as well as the partially funded ones, like Teaching Hospitals, Medical Centres, Federal Tertiary Institutions, etc.

Agencies like the CBN, SEC, CAC, NPA, NCC, FAAN, NCAA, NIMASA, NDIC, NSC, NNPC, FIRS, NCS, MMSD, DPR are also affected.

For any agency that is fully or partially self-funding, Sub-Accounts linked to TSA are to be maintained at CBN and the accounting system will be configured to allow them access to funds based on their approved budgetary provisions.

Source: http://dailytimes.com.ng/buharis-tsa-saved-nigeria-billions-naira/

Richirich713:
no wer does the bible say Joseph is a prophet.

How is that a fact?

Christians are people that follow jesus and believe in his teachings, it's just a term used to describe the ORIGINAL followers of jesus.

Whatever jesus believe, we believe.

Without jesus there's no Christianity.

I disagree with you in this regards. It is better to say without paul, their is no Christianity

What is religion of Abraham, Noah, Adam?

Scholar8200:
Joseph was not a prophet! Was Nebuchadnezzar a prophet because he had a prophetic dream and heard the voice of angels like Joseph did?

Since you are passionate about this, give us a SINGLE person from credible sources that had a kid as a wife in the Bible?
Straining at words and diligently searching for one that seem to agree with your bias is no way to seek for truth; a self-defeating procedure that lacks credibility (whereby minority becomes majority) is thereby illustrated! That you had to seek the aid of extra-biblical, spurrious sources to attempt to corrupt one person, overplays your hand and real intention.
As regards one man and wife, the OT allowed for the hardness of the heart of those in that dispensation.
As regards Christ, it is not possible for the Master to be a disciple of Himself!!!

Mother of your God was married at the age of 12

Richirich713:
Doesn't the Catholic encyclopedia also say :

"the apocryphal literature is full of details, the non-admittance of these works into the Canon of the Sacred Books casts a strong suspicion upon their contents"

Also wat does Joseph character have to do wit Christians, I mean he could have even been a murderer and still it wouldn't affect Christianity.

Jesus is Christianity not Joseph.

Christians aren't criticizing muhammad base on his father character, they criticizing muhammad base his own character.

And Joseph is not a biblical prophet of God

Neither Jesus nor prophets before him were ever Christian (fact)

Mary was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph

Catholic Encyclopaedia says:

“When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, “the Lord’s brother”). A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place.” [6]

One thing needs to be remembered, although they say that she was 12 years old when she was betrothed to 90 year old Joseph, most Christians of today reject this story, because Joseph would be labelled a ‘paedophile’.

‘History of Joseph the Carpenter’ also confirms that Mary was 12 years old when betrothed to Joseph. Chapter 3 and 4 states:

3. Now when righteous Joseph became a widower, my mother Mary, blessed, holy, and pure, was already twelve years old. For her parents offered her in the temple when she was three years of age, and she remained in the temple of the Lord nine years. Then when the priests saw that the virgin, holy and God-fearing, was growing up, they spoke to each other, saying: Let us search out a man, righteous and pious, to whom Mary may be entrusted until the time of her marriage; lest, if she remain in the temple, it happen to her as is wont to happen to women, and lest on that account we sin, and God be angry with us.

4. Therefore they immediately sent out, and assembled twelve old men of the tribe of Judah. And they wrote down the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. And the lot fell upon the pious old man, righteous Joseph. Then the priests answered, and said to my blessed mother: Go with Joseph, and be with him till the time of your marriage. Righteous Joseph therefore received my mother, and led her away to his own house. And Mary found James the Less in his father’s house, broken-hearted and sad on account of the loss of his mother, and she brought him up. Hence Mary was called the mother of James. Luke 24:10 Thereafter Joseph left her at home, and went away to the shop where he wrought at his trade of a carpenter. And after the holy virgin had spent two years in his house her age was exactly fourteen years, including the time at which he received her.

Usually when I do research on certain words which are disputed from Biblical verses, I visit these sites, Blueletterbible.org or biblestudytools.com, and they have always given an explanation in detail, what a word means. But when I started examining Numbers 31:18, what caught my eye was the word ‘lacham’, it was left blank. What made it even strange is, I was not allowed (able) to click on the word, to see what the meaning of the word is.

This prompted me to do more research on the word and find out what the meaning of it is. Shaye J. D. Cohen who is a renowned Professor writes that the word lachem used in the verse is meant sexually:

“Moses enjoins upon the returning warriors to kill their Midianite female captives who have lain with a man, but ‘spare for yourselves every young woman who has not had carnal relations with a man’; WE MAY BE SURE THAT ‘FOR YOURSELVES’ MEANS THAT THE WARRIORS MAY ‘USE’ THEIR VIRGIN CAPTIVES SEXUALLY.52 The law in numbers differs from the law in Deuteronomy- perhaps the most significant distinction is that the law in Deuteronomy does not care whether the captive is a virgin or not- but it too permits Israelite warrior to marry (or ‘marry) a foreign woman.”

In the same page, in footnote 52, Professor Shaye J.D. Cohen goes further on the verse, he writes:

“I do not know why the new Jewish version omits ‘for yourselves’; the Hebrew lakhem is unambiguous. That the intent of ‘FOR YOURSELVES’ IS SEXUAL OR MATRIMONIAL IS OBVIOUS; the passage is correctly understood by Rabbi Simeon Yohai in the Sifrei ad loc (177 212H).” [4]

Now it all makes sense why missionaries try hard not to give the true meaning for the word. We can see the deceit of Evangelicals trying hard to cover up the word. Thankfully we have a sincere Scholar as Shaye J.D. Cohen who makes it clear that the word can only be meant ‘sexually’.

Wil Gafney, Ph.D. is Associate Professor of Hebrew and Old Testament at The Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, and is an Episcopal Priest canonically resident in the Diocese of Pennsylvania. She is another line of Scholars who comments on Numbers 31:18, she writes,

“The ‘one woman, one man’ relationship of Eve and Adam becomes one man and two women in Genesis 4:19, ONE MAN AND AN UNTOLD NUMBER OF PREPUBESCENT GIRL CAPTIVES IN NUMBER 31:18 and in several other texts. IT APPEARS THAT GOD HAS LEFT IT TO HUMANITY TO DECIDE WHO ARE APPROPRIATE INTIMATE PARTNERS AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES. The evolution of polygamy, both CONSENSUAL AND FORCED, as a human-initiated cultural practice in the scriptures is particularly striking because of God’s lack of condemnation of it (not to mention, according to Deuteronomy, God’s sanction of abduction or rape-marriage during armed conflicts).
When inviting individuals and their descendants into eternal covenant relationships with God, God never required that the matriarchs and patriarchs revert to an Eve-Adam, monogamous pairing.

Notice, Professor Wil brings up Numbers 31:18 and at the same time she writes, “God has left it to humanity to decide who are appropriate intimate partners and under what circumstances.” She is referring to the pre-pubescent girls. In other words, she is saying God left it to humanity to decide whether it is ‘ok’ to cohabit with a pre-pubescent girls or not.

Another Professor by the name Miguel A. De La Torre mentions that Numbers 31:18 found Biblical justification of raping female slaves and that it was considered ordained by God, by Christian slave owners of the past. He writes,

“The Bible was masterfully used by those in power to justify the owning of black bodies. This was an easy feat; nowhere in either the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament is slavery categorically condemned. The supporters of slavery in the antebellum south were the ones who had the biblical chapters and verses to quote to justify their way of life. The abolitionists were hard pressed to find any biblical passage that outright condemned the institution of slavery. EVEN THE RAPE OF FEMALE SLAVES FOUND BIBLICAL JUSTIFICATION AND WAS CONSIDERED TO BE ORDAINED BY GOD. SPECIFICALLY, NUMBERS 31:18 INSTRUCTS CONQUERORS AS FOLLOWS: ‘YOU SHALL KEEP ALIVE ALL YOUNG FEMALES WHO HAVE NOT HAD SEX WITH A MALE FOR YOURSELVES.’

BAPTISM
Baptism means
(1) a ceremonial immersion in water, or application of water, as an initiatory rite or sacrament of the Christian church;
(2) a trying or purifying experience or initiation;
(3) purification of thought and character.

In a nutshell, baptism means purification and cleansing of impure being or something.
If this is the case, was Jesus impure and unclean that he needed to be purified and cleans by John the Baptist?
If so, then the issue of he being killed to cleans us from our sins is not true.
This is because an impure being cannot cleans impure beings.
If that baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist is true, who then baptized John the Baptist before he baptized Jesus below? Wasn't Jesus righteous?

Was John the Baptist GREATER than Jesus because in Matthew 11:11 and Luke 7:28 Jesus said among those born of women there has not risen ANYONE greater than John the Baptist? Jesus was also among those born of women.
Matthew 3:13-17 New International Version (NIV)

The Baptism of Jesus
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Have a great Friday and peace be unto you.

The translation for “women children” in the verse is very misleading and it has been deliberately translated that way to deceive readers. In fact when we look at the Hebrew words used in the verse, it just says female “children”, “little ones”.

Webster’s Bible Translation Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones (taph), and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children (taph), that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

In order for me to go further let’s first show the part where the Hebrew word ‘taph’ used and what it means in the verse. Below is the text-image for the passage under discussion

A complete Hebrew-English pocket-dictionary to the Old Testament (1905) – Karl Feyerabend:

When we consult Hebrew-English Lexicons on the word ‘taph’, it only refers to pre-pubescent girls and boys:

An English and Hebrew Lexicon – Professor Selig Newman: Child , an infant … טַף… an offspring,… get with-……

A complete Hebrew-English pocket-dictionary to the Old Testament (1905) – Karl Feyerabend:
טַף (taf) ., i.p. .., w.s…. coll. Children, little ones.

A Compendious Hebrew-Lexicon – Samuel Pike
טַף little ones or children… mincing in a childish manner, Isai. Iii. 16. –… to drop, or distil… to prophecy, or distil instruction, Micah ii. 6, 11

The above Lexicons commenting on the Hebrew word ‘taph’, they quite clearly show that the word only refers to children or infants.

Let’s now read the verse again to get a better understanding:

Webster’s Bible Translation Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones (taph), and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children (taph), that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Christians believe that the Bible has nothing to say with regards to the condoning and approving of paedophilia. However, when we look into the Bible, we find passages that do approve of it. One of the most prominent examples is of Numbers 31.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18 (KJV)

This is one of the most disturbing set of passages that I have come across in the Bible. These passages basically state to Moses’s soldiers that it’s ‘OK’ to have sex with “women children” that are obtained in war. The translation for “women children” is very misleading and it has been deliberately translated that way to deceive readers. In fact when we look at the Hebrew words used in the verse, it just says female “children”, “little ones”.

Three accurate translations which clearly show that the passage only speaks about ‘female children’ are as follows:

Jubilee Bible 2000 – “But all the female children that have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.” – Numbers 31:18

Webster’s Bible – “Translation But all the female children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” – Numbers 31:18

Living Bible (TLB) – “Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” – Numbers 31:18

Since it’s clear that Numbers 31:18 speaks about female children and not women, what does “keep alive for yourselves” mean? Of course the verse gave permission to Moses’s soldiers to marry those female children. However, don’t take my word for it, let’s see what Christian Bible commentaries say on the verse.

BIBLE COMMENTARIES

Whedon’s Commentary on the Bible:

Verse 17-18.
The little ones — The object of the command to kill every male was to exterminate the whole nation, the cup of whose iniquity was full. For the righteousness of the mode see Joshua 6:21, note. Every woman who might possibly have been engaged in the licentious worship of Peor was to share the fate of the male children, to preserve Israel from all taint of that abomination. The pure maidens could be incorporated into Israel without peril to the national religion. Joshua 6:23-25, notes. They could not be treated as concubines, since the law against fornication was in full force, (Deuteronomy 22:25-29,) but they could be lawfully married to their captors (Deuteronomy 21:10-14). [1]



Peter Pett’s Commentary on the Bible:

Numbers 31:18
‘But all the women-children, who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.’ But the young women children were a different matter. They could be taken in marriage or as servants and would expect to accept the religion of their new husbands or masters. They would gradually be merged into Israel. Compare Deuteronomy 21:10-14. They would not feel the same responsibility for blood vengeance which was mainly incumbent on the males.[2]



NIV: The New American Commentary – An Exegetical And Theological Exposition of Holy Scripture:

… Only the young girls would be allowed to live so that they may be taken as wives or slaves by Israelite men, according to the principles of holy war (Deut 20:13-14; 21:10-14). By this they could be brought under the umbrella of the covenant community of faith. [3]



John Dummelow’s Commentary on the Bible:

13-18. The male children are put to death in order that the race of idolaters may be extirpated. The older women are also slain as having been the prime cause of the apostasy, and likely to lead the people astray at a future time. The women-children, or young females, are spared, and are taken as slaves or wives, being probably adopted into the Hebrew nation as proselytes: cp. Deuteronomy 21:10-14. For the reason of such wholesale slaughter see Numbers 33:55; Deuteronomy 20:17-18; Joshua 23:13 and on Numbers 25:16-18. [4]



The above Bible commentaries quite clearly state that, “keep alive for yourselves” means those female children were to be married off to grown adult Israelite men. There is no mention anywhere in the commentaries that the girls have to grow up and hit puberty before they get married. I brought up the latter point, because some desperate missionaries claim that the girls had to grow up before a marriage took place. Numbers 31:18 in the Bible shows that Moses’s soldiers were commanded to marry pre-pubescent girls. This means that the holiest text of Christianity supports marrying and having sex with pre-pubescent girls. This is concrete proof that the Bible endorses pedophilia. As we have read in Numbers 31:18 and in the Bible commentaries, they all state that marriage took place straight away.

In fact, in the Biblical commentaries already mentioned, they all refer to Deuteronomy 21:10-14 as evidence that the marriage took place straight away within a month. Let’s read the verse:

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 Good News Translation (GNT) – “When the Lord your God gives you victory in battle and you take prisoners, 11 you may see among them a beautiful woman that you like and want to marry. 12 Take her to your home, where she will shave her head, cut her fingernails, 13 and change her clothes. She is to stay in your home and mourn for her parents for a month; after that, you may marry her. 14 Later, if you no longer want her, you are to let her go free. Since you forced her to have intercourse with you, you cannot treat her as a slave and sell her.”

In the part where it says beautiful “woman”, the Hebrew word ‘ishshah’ is translated as ‘woman’ and it is also translated as “female” (when we consult Jubilee Bible and Webster’s Bible for Numbers 31:18, both of them translate the Hebrew word ‘Ishashah’ as ‘female’).

Reading Deuteronomy 21:10-14 we get a clear picture that YHWH commands its soldiers that when they go out in war and they see a beautiful female, and the soldier is attracted to her, he can “TAKE” the female and force her to marry him after one month. The word “take” is in of itself evidence that the females were taken without their consent i.e., they were forced into a marriage that the female didn’t consent to. In verse 13 to 14 it goes further and states, that if the soldier were to not desire the female any-more he may let her go as he wishes because “you forced her to have intercourse with you”.

The period in which the soldier cannot marry her is within a one month period of mourning. After that period the soldier can do what he wishes to the female, as the verse clearly states.

References:

[1] Whedon’s Commentary on the Bible
[2] Peter Pett’s Commentary on the Bible
[3] NIV: The New American Commentary – An Exegetical And Theological Exposition of Holy Scripture: Numbers, [Copyright 2000 – B& H Publishing Group] By R. Dennis Cole, volume 3b, page 499
[4] John Dummelow’s Commentary on the Bible

Anas09:
@ Yazach.
@Medicis just stuck ur tail in-between your tiny legs for you.

You see, you can twist the truth, try to suppress it, but u can't kill it. Truth is light, Truth is time. Its there. Ever present. Deny it, to ur peril.

@Medicis, just poured out everything you need to know about Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Hey Wait!!!!, was it Jesus of Nazareth you were talkg about or Jesus of allah? Oh sorry sir, they r not the same. Jesus of allah was an Arab, but Jesus of Nazareth is a Jew. The very Jews U muslims hate so much for no reason.
That Jewish Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the one @Medicis gloriously expounded to you.

Thank you @Medicis for stutting these goons up.

Why are you murmuring?

Medicis:
GODHEAD( Father, Word, Holyspirit). In Christianity, the Godhead is seen as ONE GOD in three different offices. Simple Logic, God(Father) sent Jesus(Word). I know you don't have the capacity to understand this.

You started again with your dodging tactics

Even Paul the founder of your religion never mention what you wrote up there