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Erm.... Since you christians have the holy spirit there who teaches all things, why not ask him about heaven. And remember Adam and Eve were in once in paradise.....
Is it with their body or they exist as spirits? Taking into consideration that they were made from clay.
They ate in paradise, aren't we going to continue with dat wc they were doing there b4 they were evicted?

Sorry, but the christians can ignore this last part. God taught in the Qur'an that, can't we see the clear sign in seeds which germinates from the earth?. ( the earth which we men returns to when we die). Then how difficult would it be for someone who created us in the first place to create us again?.......................................

tbaba1234:
The hijab is an obligation on the muslim woman that is mature enough. It is one thing to say, one is not yet ready to put it on, but it is a clear Quranic injunction.

The Quranic word used is Khimar, hijab is what muslims have popularised it as.

In pre Islamic Arabia, the women wore head scarfs, but that was about it. Parts of the bosom was left exposed.

The Quran ordered believing women to draw this covering over the bosoms. As a result, Muslim women are required to cover these parts of their body.

It is a requirement for Muslim women except the young or the old because it is a direct command.

The above is for those claiming historical knowledge. It is an Islamic wear.

For the sisters, who do not have the courage or Iman to wear it. I pray Allah helps you.

The hijab is a sign of obedience. IT IS AN ISLAMIC INJUNCTION.

And tell believing women that they should lower their glances, guard their private parts, and not display their charms beyond what [it is acceptable] to reveal;a [i]they should let their headscarves fall to cover their necklines and not reveal their charms except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons, their sisters’ sons, their womenfolk, their slaves, such men as attend them who have no sexual desire, or children who are not yet aware of women’s unclothedness; they should not stamp their feet so as to draw attention to any hidden charms. Believers, all of you, turn to God so that you may prosper. (Surah 24:31)[/i]

The word use is khimar. If a woman dresses like a nun, with socks and gloves for eg. (I know muslims are not suppose to copy non muslims). Is she breaking the law as it's in the quran or hadith? Or simply put
If a type of clothing can achieve this......... Must it necessarily include ijab.
Or maybe I am the one who doesn't know what an ijab is, does ijab include the type which nun uses? I will really like to learn more please.

delishpot:
http://www.al-islam.org/hijab-muslim-womens-dress-islamic-or-cultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/quran-and-hijab

what the link gave me is page loading........ Please provide one that would give me what I ll gain from. Curiously waiting. Thanks.

delishpot:
No, I never denied that fact. I only said rapes dont always happen because the woman was half nakid.
But, I agree with you and have been agreeing with you since that women should dress modestly. I am also saying the hijab is not the only way a woman can dress modestly.
On the other hand, rapists should be duely punished too.

fine. I think the purpose of this post is to encourage our muslim women to use the Islamic style... Ijab...... Rather than getting swept off by the tides of shorts, mini skirts etc which is common today. Portraying it as the only solution to rape, I myself do not agree to that..........

[quote author=delishpot post=28841931

By the way, non muslims call any covering worn by a muslim woman hijab.

So you must forgive my use of the term as regards the female outer covering.[/quote]Because non muslim call all covering ijab does not make them ijab. We have niqob, etc. These are muslims styles, nun have theirs....... Anybody can have his or hers......... The word ijab doesn't appear in the quran. To say Islam forces modest dressing for muslim women is correct..... A bit crude anyway. To say it imposes what we all know as ijab is wrong. I have written this based on my knowledge on Islam, if you have any prove from the quran and hadith.

delishpot:
I believe you mean to say, a man who has not seen or known about sex will not rape?
Ok, but to be frank, with you, once that man gets married and tastes the forbiden fruit, if he has that sadist trait in him, he will want to try out another woman and if she says no, he will rape her.
So, maybe not sexualizing the society will delay rape for a while, a rapist will soon start raping as soon as he beds a woman or sees a naked one. Its just a mater of time unless he dies young.

then that man is doing it because he has it in his gene. I doubt that anyway. But assuming it's true, does it remove the fact that improper dressing is part of what influences rape?
My answer is, its part of the factor.....
To what extent, I can't say.
Solution to this factor, everyone dress in a proper way. It
Other factors influencing rape : drugs, injustice etc...... Find cure to all this factors and see rape incident fall. But then denying the fact that dressing is not part of the factor is................. Coupled with the fact that ATLEAST it's not harmful to dress modestly.

delishpot:
What I see in pure Islamic countries say otherwise sir.

I as a muslim do things that are not Islamic. What they do in islamic countries which is not supported in Islam does not make the act an Islamic act. Dress modestly, do not expose what would inspire unlawful desire in the opposite gender is the Islamic law. Imposing ijab as the only way of achieving this is the view of some Muslims and some muslim countries........... Because they impose, does it remove the fact that dressing modestly is not dangerous even if we agree it has no single advantage?

Finally, islamic law is not the constitution of muslim countries but simply Qur’an and hadith.

muafrika:
Rapists are psychos. Ive seen many cases where kids as young as five are raped, kids excessively covered in their school uniforms.

even though this post is not about rape. A rapist doesn't not develop the idea to rape in a day......... A rapist is likely to be the one from a society where people are not modest in their dressing. People act most times on what is on their mind, what is on the mind is greatly influenced by what we see......... A single act of rape is not necessarily a function of a single factor but most cases of rape is a function of the environment where the rapist came from......... An non modest environment practicing a non modest act such as dressing like a slut.

If GMB should speak, please let him speak in an exact-non-bias way........... He is at risk of losing his followers who are not apc members if he continues to play around with words.

delishpot:
True that. Women need to cap it. Its a shame what some women put on. I strongly beleieve those goat headed ones should be made to clean gutters as punishment when caught. But I will not impose the hijab or impose a particular type of dress. Just make surr no bum or boobs or thighs or side boob is exposed same goes for men. No singlets, open chest or open legs outside the home.

even Islam doesn't impose ijab....... What it strongly recommend... Impose..... Is modesty

delishpot:
I don tire. I no get power argue all over gain. I clearly stated in my first post how I felt about womens clothes and I ckearly stated that most women who are rape victims were not rapped cos of what they were putting on. I gave instances of the rape happening. I can not change the record just to add your belief that all girls get raped because they dressed provocatively.
If you follow the news you will know about where and how most rapes happen and can conclude if it happened when the woman was walking naked in the street or if it happened to women who were rapped by relatives, close friends or just plain strangers who break into homes or hostels to rob.

I agree with you. Not being raped is not the only benefit of dressing modesty just like dressing modestly is not the only solution to rape.

@delishpot have you tasted an environment where women dress in a modest way before? Not necessarily an Islamic way.......... Please if you haven't, try and experiment it, I am sure it won't harm you to experiment.

delishpot:
So those are not rapes? I dont get your point. I no get power to argue sef. Rape is rape, there is no where people expose erotic parts to each other and then say they are raped. If you cone my house show your boobies at me or get naked and lay on my bed, will you claim I raped you? There is nothing like domestic rape or nirmal rape. What I may even give as domestic rape is when husbabd and wife rape each other. Any other rape is rape and it happens in muslim world it just isnt recorded or reported.
Some time in the news a rape victime was forced to marry her rapist or face being flogged as punishment for the crime commited against her. Use google and find rape victim in the middle east or in islamic world. Is that not encouraging the men? Even now, you are sonehow okaying rape if the woman is percieved to be dressing provocatively. Two wrongs can never make anything right.

the way a lady dress is not part of the factors influencing rape right?

Nobody is denying the fact that dressing is not the ONLY factor but denying the fact that it is not part of the factor is like denying that there was once a Judas........ Modified

honeric01:
This analogy is a bit low dear, men washing their cars in boxer shouldn't be compared with women going to events, school, church, everywhere and anywhere with revealing clothes.. were you expecting men washing their cars to wear suit or agbada?

If it's true men in boxers arouse women........ I don't think the best option is women wearing pant.......... But make the society a better place by cautioning the men.

delishpot:
Well, most rapes I have heard of happens to girls in their hostels at school, married women in their homes right in front of their husbands, daughters on their way to farm, young women in front of their dads etc. Most ashawos dont report rape. They count their loss and move on. Most rapes happen to maids, neices, and daughters by their own male relatives, neighbours, bosses, uncles and strangers some even claim that the 8 year old girl seduced them. Some claim that the girl refused their sexual advances and so they felt insulted, some say its the devil that made them rob and rape their victims. I hardly ever hear of them raping loose women who dress naked.

domestic rape...... This happens between pple who constantly expose their erotic part to one another. Armed men are under the influence of an external factor not necessarily dressing.

DarryOsh:
according to the op
"The Hijab is a veil that covers the head and chest and is particularly worn by a Moslem woman
beyondthe age of puberty in the presence of adult males outside of her immediate family."


in the pictures posted so far, the hijab worn by these supposedly beautiful hijab-adorning women do not cover the chest.

Hijab is not necessarily a single cloth. You can cut and fashion it anyhow as long as it covers erotic part and does not arouse unlawful desire in the opposite sex.

delishpot:
Oga, you dont record rape in muslim world becausectge women are wise enough to not report it. She want die. If she claimsvraoe and the man denies, where are her 4 withnesses? That means her own mouth would have implicated her while no man would agree to the rape charge. Do you know that her very existence would be destroyed if a muslim woman agree to have been raped?
The other countries you listed most rapes take place at the womans house esp by armed robbers so you want to say women should be locked up in bunkers The whole rape thing stems from men not being cautioned for the crime of rape rather the women are blamed. Even if a rapist enters a home and finds the poor woman sleeping in her undies or nude. People will not blame the rapist, they will blane the woman for sleeping nude in her own home. Moslem men rape too. They are not better than other men. All men give themelves long rope while the women are blamed for the lack of self control exhibited by men.

From your post, we can't get the accurate information about rape in muslim countries. What about non muslim countries, I am very sure rape victims are those who dress like sluts not those who dress like nuns more than 90 percent of the time.
Just like it's hard to hear nuns being raped, it's hard to find modestly dressed girl being raped.........

freecocoa:
How do you expect to see Muslim countries in the list when women actually get punished for being r*ped in those countries? Duh!

If women actually get punished for a man raping them, don't you think men would do it more. See, because there was a Judas among the Jesus' disciples doesn't prove that Jesus and other disciples are bad. If a man's voice would arouse unlawful desire in females, then it is advisable the man communicates by writing to female......... But do you know about that before? It's not Islamic for any woman to get punished for rape, any country where that is part of its law has at least one nonislamic law. But then can you prove to us any Muslim nation has such law in its constitution?

First is how does Lai Muhammed knows this? Any pix or video to drive home his claim? But then if this is true, i hope its not though, then........ Hehehehe

viczing:
What is it?

if mr A said Mr B said mr C said mr Z said something. The prove Mr A has should not be the words of Mr B. Prove of saying Mr Z said it is what he said it, to who, who heard it, where it was said etc. Ur prove did not clain he heard it from Buhari, probably, he may have gotten it from the false article of Abati......
*modified........ APC or obasanjo claimed Jonathan said he would rule for a term without bringing out a single prove...... Does it make it a fact? Now i think you know what a fact or evidence is......... Bring one fact..... Just one. A video would do.

viczing:
I will proove him wrong with this link

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/05/call-buhari-to-order-cleric-tells-jonathan/

Now do you have anything to say against it?

this is no prove my dear

fishleg123:
if u believe that Jesus fell to his face to pray d same Muslim pray today, then do u believe also that God is his father(our father ) because that was what he said after he fell to his face.

no muslims dont believe that because they dont believe he actually said that. Can you kindly proof he actually said that? For example nonchristian would say leviticus 11:3 is scientifically wrong..... Yes looking at those words literally in english. But if we go to the original word *alah* which was translated as cheweth the cud. Now do yourself and probably a little good by finding the truth about Jesus saying those words that God is his Father in the concept of biological father in english.

terefe:
I think people have become selfish and lazy which i believe is due to the influence of western media that has changed definition of certain ideals. You dont drop out of school just because a course is hard or your having problems in some quarters, rather u work it out..but these days ppl seem to b taking the easy route out.
Also, dese days , having a fulfilled life has changed from having strong relationship bonds vis-a-vis d family system to being materially rich and having unlimited freedom or independence to do what you want... It is what is it is

i agree with you. Marriage comprises of so many roles and ideologies. For example the role of a man open a car door for a woman is may not be debateable in the olden days due to some ideologies. Likewise some roles like domestic work and ideologies like woman= man has been altered. That is why in my opinion everybody is just arguing to shift the blame this alterations on the oposite gender and claim the benefits of this alterations.

But what i ll like pple to know is that; what is good is good, and what is bad is bad. If we base all our actions on the scale of good or bad, either in a marriage or out of it, then we ll enjoy our life.

briantext:
I'm a Mormon and we don't practice what other churches do, so i can't answer questions about other denominations..
Mormons follow strictly to Jesus teaching and not the world's

sorry for assuming. This is the first time i would hear Mormon. Can you open a thrend about that or give me a website or other credible source where i can know about mormon?

briantext:
Jesus is the only begotten son of God(Our hravenly father)
Jesus prayed to his father(God) while he was on earth and told us do do the same in his name

cool..... Then the best way to pray as a christian would be the way Jesus has taught us.... Us, i mean those who claim to follow him. But Jesus didnt DO or TEACH almost everything christians do. That is what i think the op is trying to say. Also the way Jesus has done and taught the prayer is not what the christians are doing. But you can clear all this simple by giving us proofs that singing, dancing, shouting in prayers are what Jesus taught wc infact contradicts what i know Jesus taught. But then I would like to see it from your angle too.

PrettyGaby:
yes, Jesus is a God. The child of a human is human. So also, the child f God is a god. The book of psalm says, "ye are gods...." thus, being joint heirs with Christ, a christian is also a god. To make it simpler, That a child is of the same specie with his father doesn't mean they get to rub shoulders.

that means a father is still a father any day anytime. Because one is a son of his father doesnt make him his father......... But if we are all Gods, why then do a God have to bow down to another God?..... What i can understand so far is.... God the father = God the son = everybody(from ye are gods) ...... Is that what you mean? If no, I would like to see another dimension to it.

PrettyGaby:
So what? You guys are more christian than the christians? Or you understand their beliefs more than they do? Face your own, let them face their own... Religious doesn't mean spiritual. Prayer is much more than closing or opening eyes, falling flat on your face or rolling or bowing... It's more about the praying soul than the posture. Christ only gave his followers one clear instruction on how to pray; " our Father whom art in heaven..." he said nothing about posture.

only one clear instruction on how to pray...... Even that instruction has some commas in the bibe....... In that, the prayer in luke is slightly different from that which is in matthew. How sure are we that both even recorded the whole even correctly? Plus.... Do you believe Jesus is God? If Yes why does God has to pray to a God? Does God the father also pray to Jesus? Please you can mail me the answers if you think it will derail the thrend

What exactly do non muslims want muslims to do about boko haram?..... You want muslims to be ashamed and denouce islam? If they do, how would that solve the problem of boko........ Or you want them to pick up weapons so that you can start saying muslims vs muslims?

Most men of the 21st century are like beggers..... Beggers are likely to die begging. Ever wonder why our mother remain beautiful in our mind despite old age?

freecocoa: Never say never I know, but I'll never be one of such ladies who change tunes on issues like this.

Can you give me reasons why you would need a 2nd woman?

lots of matured men and women on this thrend.

@freecocoa
sincerely, i won't like to share my woman with another man....... But i can tell you that guyz, nowadays, share girls with each other (i av frnds who do such). Its very common in unis. See guyz do gang rape but its nt common to hear women gang raping a guy.
+modofied+
i intend to quote where u asked tbaba if he could share his woman