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You guys teally want to think that damtur was any thing but a loss? You guys lost and it was a big one. But you all live so far up in your littel fantasyland that you don't see it.


And yes BH doese not have numbers. Not the numbers of the goverment or even JTF


IRA was never a milltary threat. Killing a prim minster does not make you a milltary threat it would make you a assian. IRA used ambushes, mortas and bombings. Thgey did not act like BH and attack milltary basses in a direct attack. The fact BH even tries is a sighin they don't fear the milltary


And those right wing miltia groups in SA have been arround for years. Only one group has tried somthing since 1994. SA is better at mointoring what goes on in SA than even the USA. So those frindge groups are no more a threat than EFF or any other frindge group. Because if they try somthing they will be arrested tried and jailed. They all so know that.

rka1: You didn't take into account the follow-up action posted earlier. Army barracks were never attacked and countless BH fighters have died and continue to as a result of their injuries, that's why they desperately raided the hospital. It was reported that the APC was taken from the Police base and not from the Army.

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2013-10/31/content_30453465.htm

Nigerian army launches air, land strikes on Boko Haram camps
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The Nigerian army on Wednesday said it has commenced air and land strikes on Boko Haram camps in northeast remote villages along the Maiduguri-Damaturu highway.

Spokesman of the Army 7 Division in Borno State, Lt Col Mohammed Dole, told reporters that unlike before, the army division would now strike on Boko Haram camps so as to destabilize the insurgents from planning or executing any attack again.

"There is an on going operation around Benisheik, Kaga Local Government. Troops of the 7 Division supported by the Nigerian Air force, attacked and destroyed Boko Haram camps at Goho village in Mainok general area. Several terrorists were killed while others fled to another camps in Marguba, same Mainok area but the troops pursued them to the camp at Marguba which was also destroyed," he added.

The exact number of the insurgents that were killed in the offensive was not ready since the operation is still going, the spokesman said, promising to avail journalists with details of the operation as soon as it is completed.

"Several of them were killed while others also fled. Terrorists who escaped from the Marguba camp following troops strike on their camp, crossed the Maiduguri-Damaturu road at Benisheik heading north toward Gubio (North of Borno). Troops from 7 Division are still pursuing the terrorists. The operation is still going on," he said.

He appealed to residents not to panic especially with the movement of the fleeing insurgents toward the northern part of the state, saying troops in the area have been alerted about the development.

He also said the troops from the division were already pursuing the fleeing Boko Haram men.

Last Friday, the Nigerian military announced the killing of 95 Boko Haram fighters in Yobe and Borno States in operations against the insurgents, who were alleged to attempt coordinated attacks.

The Boko Haram sect has proved the biggest security threat in the West African country since launching the insurgency in 2009. Endi

The folow on acstion is a diffrent battel. I did not say nigeria is losing the war. Just they lost this battel.

No it was a checkpoint and it failed in it's role since BH got a large force through it.


In the long run nigeria is winning thanks to attrsion. If BH numers were close to that of the JTF this would be a very fiffrent war. BH is should never of gotten this strong but there were faluers.

rka1: They are going to still have troops in country along with other NATO members training and advising and most probably also have special forces troops in theatre.

All meaning less. Since the afghan-talbian peace deals have being going down for some time. Once sighed the war is over and tlbian will be come a poltical power and then win the shame afghastan calls a elecstion.

agaugust: [size=16pt] south african version of boko haram slowly rising up.

whites reject rainbow nation, call for break-up into 5 independent countries.

says 95% of criminals are blacks.

reject black rule, says blacks are morally inferior to whites.

train white youths for commando war style against blacks.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOfVfyNDLUU
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Right wing extrmist groups are just that. Extrmists. Same hase american extmist miltia groups. They not a threat to any one. The boer mag attempted a take over but were foiled. They then spent 10 years on trial.

chris365: yes we've lost soldiers in this war the same way other militaries in stronger countries have lost men in the war against insurgency on their own soil(Britain and russia included), but we are still fightin and reducing their numbers everyday to the extent that bomb attacks have stopped, boko haram have been pushed out of urban areas and now operates in boarder areas unlike when they started. is that not progress to you?

oh, less i forget. you fled from seleka as if SANDF saw the boogeyman

The IRA was never able to lauch full scale raids of this natuer. The fact is regaudlse of the later retalastion nigriai sufferd a out right deaft here.

My qustion is where do you get your infomastion. There is a infomastion blank whole.


Fled? Really? We left has there was no longer a legal mandate to remain behind. We had a training mission with the old regiem the old regiem is gone so the training mission is now no longer in place. Reiforments were flown to ugander and DRC for if a counter attack was authrised. The french did not want a counter attack and they controled the airport. So we left.

When south africa left no one was shooting at them and we left at our own pace.




We all so fought seleka till they proposed a cease fire.

agaugust: so you truly know and agree that american military, the mighty number one super power of the world could not defeat islamic terrorists in afghanistan after 10 years battle.

why do you say nigerian army is incompetent for not defeating boko haram islamic terrorists in 6 months state of emergency ?

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Americans did not do history. No nastion has ever held afghanstan. The yanks are just one more victime it has sucked in.

agaugust: fools talk and you listen because they tell you the lies you love to hear, thus you become a fool too, just like them.

you fell into that mess because you were very interested in rubbishing nigerian military.

we have posted list and photos of nigerian army APC on this forum more than enough. you know the truth but chose to post a lie.

fraudulent people like you get the embarrassments that fools and liars get, there is a power in truth that you dont seem to value.

on the free internet, there are many honest unbiased reports on that same story all over internet from nigerian newspapers.

if boko haram ever captured any nigerian army soldier or weapon, they will happily display it on youtube video, the same war seleka rebels displayed captured south african army uniforms and vehicles publicly as war trophies. that is the normal result in real combat, show the world your enemy's weapons that you captured.

boko haram is choked into a very tight corner, they only operate in about 1% of nigerian land area where you have almost everybody a muslim, reason why they easily run across the border into chad, niger, cameroon.

when you read a neutral story, first you notice he tells you that he was not witness, but people say this or that, and unconfirmed report, he will say its not certain. this same story that messed you and CraigB up was published by a honest nigerian newspaper, boko haram actually attacked the nigerian army men on a road block check point but were defeated by the soldiers, then the same boko haram fighthers ran away from the nigerian army and instead they chose a soft target which is the police , knowing that the police is far less armed and has only ordinary rifles against a boko haram that has rocket grenade launchers and high calibre military machine guns.

the real truth thus :

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" the military announced the killing of 74 insurgents in Borno, it also said 21 other members of the deadly sect were killed in an all-night attack on Damaturu , the Yobe State capital, by Boko Haram from Thursday evening till the early hours of Friday.

Eye witnesses said the suspected Boko Haram insurgents held Damaturu to a mini war as they launched attacks on several structures of the security agencies, and set ablaze the base of the counter-terrorism unit, the Police Area Command, the Mobile Police Base, the State Criminal Investigation Department as well as the armoury of the MOPOL, after the weapons had been looted.

Also the Police C Division in the capital, which is very close to Mobile Police Barracks, was reportedly vandalised by the insurgents and weapons in its armoury carted away.

Though the actual casualty figure could not be confirmed as at the time of filing this report, unconfirmed report had it that about 15 policemen and 23 soldiers died in the attack while about 30 civilians were killed.

However, military spokesman, Lt.-Col. Eli Lazarus, said that 21 insurgents were killed during the attack in Damaturu while he was silent on the casualty figure on the side of the military and the police.


“They have succeeded in burning down the police area command, the CID (criminal investigation department), the mobile (police) base and the ‘C’ Division police station, all located along Gujba Road on the outskirts of the city,” he added.

The insurgents started by attacking a military checkpoint outside the city, but were repelled by troop reinforcements, then they attacked police in Damaturu, the source added. "

SOURCE (NIGERIAN TRIBUNE NEWSPAPERS)

http://www.tribune.com.ng/news2013/index.php/en/component/k2/item/24828-bloodbath-125-killed-in-borno,-yobe-as-boko-haram-attacks-military,-police-%E2%80%A215-policemen,-23-soldiers-feared-killed-%E2%80%A224-hour-curfew-imposed-in-yobe.html

as long as you south africans choose to be fools in using your brain, you will continue to fall cheaply into dirty mud pits, pushed around by hungry journalists looking for quick fame in war reporting without going to the real battlefield to face live bullets and get correct information.

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2013/5/21/1369156430924/Nigerian-soldiers-arrive--010.jpg

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Again you did not anserw the qustion of who was giving fake infomastion.

Your source all so fails to menstion that BH robed a hospital and stole a ambulance.

Will the full number of nigerian milltary death ever be revealed. And with the current numbers the BH won this battel. They succed in raiding sevral securty appraits building, killed more than they lost and escaped before reinforments could stop them

Has menstioned the APC was stolen from the army. And has I said it was not a base(and your source) so there for those building could have been used by the army depending on the natuer of the check point. That APC could be a poilce APC at the army check point(either for safe keeping, or the army was borrowing it or because it was a joint op) has some one in the miltary I find nothing strang about other deparment vechiels being arround. There are 3 poile boats and a fishry patrol veasal permantly based in siomons town and cops use navy boats for patrol(navy crew polcie operastion) work all the time. Even denel, CSRI, MIT and other companys use navy tugs.


You guys lost doubel the number of men we lost in CAR and killed a francstion of the numbers and still you go on about it.

rka1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24787637

The usual SA suspects don't say anything when the USA takes out the head of the Pakistani Taliban. When the leaders of BH are consigned to history, they claim it is of no consequence.

What they don't realise is, it sends a message that you can run, but you can't hide forever and destabilises the rank and file of the insurgents.

The usa is going to pull out of afghanstan and the afghans are going to make a peace treaty with the talbian. The talbian will use it's influnce to regain control. What ever the yanks do is pointless the talbian has won by simply out lasting the americans.

drag_on: Thats my point @ swanky@vodamail,hundreds of boko haram islamists have been killed/captured,but because they dont care about their lives they keep coming. Containing insurgents dressed as civilians in an assymetrical war in an area as massive as North east Nigeria is no mean feat.

BH has bases in nigeria, poachers don't have any bases and are in a diffrent country.

drag_on: yeah sure,we know who has a higher operational budget,(that say nothing by the way)but we also know which countrys' airforce has been active in operations and dropping munitions

What you think droping bombs on techncals is0any difrent than droping bombs at a range. So your point is what again.

And SAAF orxy choppers have been flying in DRC for years. Including night operastion somthing other nastions there do not do.

drag_on: Cry all you like,your military cant beat back poachers,instead the poachers out smart them.If you cant deal with poachers do you really think you have a prayer against an islamic insurgency?

Hundreds of poachers have been captuerd. But since rhino horn costs more than gold. So there are all ways more poor mozibquens to walk accross the border. How ever SA still has the highest number of Rhinos in the world.

The milltary does not do anti poaching, it does border patrols in the kruger nastional park. They cover a small area of ground in a area of land the size of israle.

drag_on: FIRST :You said your pilots have more air time than ours FALSE'
SECOND: Your president promised your soilders air support,but ,it never came cause the U.N. will not pay for the Air-support

Saaf has a higher operasniol budget. So how is that false.

There is air support. Rooivalk were sent.


Back in augast when the fighting was taking place the FIB was not operastional hence no air support.

drag_on: Come now,be sensible,do you mean you don't hear about our Alpha jets being deployed in Mali? What of boko haram? ;almost every week? Even Rka1 just gave you info today!!What of our Attack helo pilots flying,you don't hear about them?Compare that to SA? Where are your famed jets?Are they in the DRC?

http://politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=401227&sn=Detail&pid=71616


The following messages were sent to SANDU by soldiers currently in the DRC, there are concerns that are being raised by our troops contradicting statements by SANDF management and even that of The Commander in chief President Jacob Zuma. The identity of the members are being strictly withheld to protect them from discrimination and prejudice.

The following is a direct statement from the members involved in the DRC.

"Expect the bad news, todays engagement are increasing the number of casualties. We were promised that rooivalks will be deployed now our members are in the frontline. Where are our Gripens and rooivalks? What did SA learn from BoB (CAR)."

"Expect bad news, more casualties. No Gripen or rooivalk as promised before the commencement of the mission. Engagements continue. What is meant by less learnt in Bangui, if we still do the same mistake."

This is the feeling of our troops in DRC.

SANDU and all it's members through out South Africa, would like to wish the injured in the DRC a speedy recovery. To those fighting M23 rebels, Godspeed and good luck, your bravery is an inspiration to us all.

To the South African public, we ask that you Back our troops, and support them, they need our support. Keep their families in your thoughts.

first point, what is your point. i did not say NAF did not fly.

seconded point, DRC is a un opersation so the UN chooses what is needed not SA. And irt was menstioned the un does not see the need for any combat aircraft. there are zero combat aircraft in the UN deployed to the DRC. how ever the un wanted more attack choopers so we sent them rooivalk.


FARDC does have a air force and they are providing CAS unlike mali

agaugust: heavy weapons combat is NOT your area of training, but you can use a rifle like a policeman.

focus more on primary military duty as a trained cook/chef, and your future will surely be bright in that navy kitchen...

...careful with your fingers when you slice tomatoes in your sailors' soup...add enough salt too

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Are you say the mig 21 lancer is not has caperbil has the J7?

agaugust: NAF has 2 ATR-42, NIS has 2 ATR-42, making 4 aircraft, they are the same configuration. NAF uses it own for sea patrol with surface search radar, NIS uses its own for land border patrol with search radar, or you think the pilots are spirits that will search and patrol land below without a surface search radar ? nigerian borders extend about 3,000 km long.

show me the 330 km range radar in your soweto air force dakota rust tin of sardine

G-222 is primary role transporter used also secondary role maritime patrol due to its long range, same way dakota is a transporter primary role with secondary maritime patrol role in many countries many years ago.

Again they not milltary.

This was discused long time ago. 330km range radars are fitted to our lynx. The dakota can easly carry a radar of that standard. There is all so a EW version of the dakota.

agaugust: answer us in one word only, did south africa defeat tiny cuba in that bush war ? yes or no ? answer us

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yes
and here is why

Cuba failed to achieve there goals, when they left due to the peace deal unita was still active and now both nambia and angola are captilstic nastions with strong western ties.

when SA left both angola and swapo agreed to pull all support from MK thus seccuring the region


all so did you know Angola ended up hiring extive outcome to fight unita.

agaugust: .....and one of the LEAST experienced in naval combat

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Really. You do know SAN was conducting a covert ops war accross africa, fought in WW2, conducts muiltpil training exersizes a year and anti piracy patrols.

Please show a more combat expercianced navy. Egpty? They had one succsess and then got beaten every other time.

agaugust: your male Gripen jet pilots cannot fly with guarantee, you are now talking about female Gripen jet pilot, that must be the cook/chef that prepares food for the real pilots...i mean the half pilots that you have

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What do you mean guarantee. Our pilots probaly get more air time than your broke nastions. I mean last year NAF grounded all F7s.

agaugust: fool, the angolan rebels (UNITA) that fought portugal were also on your side and supported you in your foolish war with cuba, UNITA gave thousands of soldiers to support south africa in war against cuba.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_War_of_Independence

in the 1980's nigerian army fought chad's national army until we pushed them back 50 km into their own country, then we turned home to nigeria, we are good people, we dont kill our african brothers the way south africa was killing angolans and namibians just to rule and colonize their black lands.

sharaap you drunk

south africa never fought russia, the soviet union will wipe out south africa from world map in 12 hours, you dont know what it means to fight russia ? fool

Cuba did NOT fight with america, i am an american citizen and i know my country's war history.

battle of bay of pigs was a few hundred men from cuba who were sponsored to stage a coup and overthrow fidel castro's government, they had rifles and machine guns used in a 72 hour rifle battle and got defeated .....about 500 men engaged in what was like a gang street shoot out, you call that cuba's war experience ?

you are a permanent cook/chef in south african navy.....go slice onions for your sailors' barbecue chicken

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And your point is?

No you just butcher children in serre leon. Shooting them in the back from point blank range after you set them free.


Are you saying there were no russians advicers where on the front line. And non of them were killed? If so it proves you are a slowpoke.


You a nigerian or american. Pick one you can't be both. And I never said cuba fought america. I said they fough a american back dictatship.

And what is BH doing. Mounting full scale open war. The last attack had them steal a Nigerian APC and go on a joy ride.

chris365: simple yes or no would have sufficed instead of this your tiring blab. shall we also say nations that lost wars are to be feared cos they fought against tanks, fighter jets etc.. ? please grow some sense

you fought a war against an inexperienced army and couldn't make them surrender. how's that an achievement to cry about.

all i've heard you say all these while is "we blew up this and that" instead of we made the inexperienced cuba surrender and retreat to their tiny island. go sleep abeg

you understand the complexity of war failed to acknowledge that Nigeria defeated the chadian military that gaddafi couldn't defeat. we crushed cameroonian military and pushed them away from bakassi, enforced peace on two of the most deadliest civil wars in the world etc..

see as you don make me break my silence sha

Got to ask. Who were the inexperincied miltaries we Fought. Angola who just drove out portigal? Cuba who over thrue a US backed dictatorship, fended of a US backed invasion and provided support to rebels forces all over the world. Or russia?


Chad, cammeroon?

Henry120: No. He should bail out your broke and grounded SAAF, and retrain your 6 gripen pilots.


Nigeria also operates up-graded T-72's, not only vickers.

The air force received a boost from the fiance minster. We all so have a total of 18 qulfied gripen pilots with 6 quified piolts in 2 squdron at any one time.



Augaster only menstioned vikers. So I only talked about them. All so the T72s are not a threat.

Now the nigerian defence minstry is broke.

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2013/10/defence-ministry-is-broke-grapples-with-budget-appropriation-reduction/


You guys are just a nother bannana republic.

Poi

agaugust: nigeria has four ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and south africa has NOTHING equal to such a modern maritime military aircraft, go d.i.e of envy

also nigerian airforce has about five G-222 maritime patrol aircraft supporting the ATR-42.

see electronics inside the Nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor below....and go d.i.e of envy....jump in front of a moving Train on the nearest Railway line

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Your air force has 2. The others are not milltary.

The ATR42 is good. But we not jelouses of it by a long shot. The dakotas may be old. But they have been modnized many times.

The G222 of Naf are transport not patrol.

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Since when did money equal power? Is he more power full than obama?
Maybe he can bail out your broke defence force.

agaugust: you must be drunk with locally made alcohol

T-55 is a russian made 1958 tank. Vickers MK 3 is british made 1978 tank with bigger gun/firepower and heavier armour than T-55

Cobra is a very modern armoured vehicle and with speed faster than all the old vehicles cuba that south africa fought against in angola bush war, it is good in its roles as a high speed light APC with amphibious capability to swim across a river.

Bofors Haubit artillery is NOT in storage, quote your fake source for us to read, the Bofors Haubits were displayed publicly this year nigerian army day celebrations and posted many times on this forum. fool

APR-40 range is 45km with modern targeting systems, BM 21-GRAD is an old rocket artillery with 20km standard range. only a fool like south africans will always call one weapon a copy of another without thinking of the new weapons technical specifications.

fool, the R-4 rifle you all carry in south african army is a copy of Galil rifle which is a copy of old russian AK-47 rifle, so your SANDF rifle is bad because it is a copy

south african olifant tank is a re-welded steel piece of the ancient british made centurion tank, with same old engine

south african Gripen jet is a copy of 1955 swedish Draken jet, FACT proved with sources !!

MiG 21 Lancer is NOT same as F-7 Airguard, the names are different, and MiG is russian product with russian engine, while F-7 is chinese product with chinese engine. also MiG 21 Lancer does NOT carry PL-9C missile of the F-7 jet.

i dont care what you say, PL-9C missile of nigeria is equal to IRIS-T or A-Darta missile of south africa, both are basically the same level of technology, speed and range.

nigeria alone can mount a naval and air blockade of the whole of west africa and the 15 countries there in one day with our 50 jets and 300 warships/gunboats. FACT !!

south africa has never fought against a navy that has anti-ship missiles like nigerian Otomat missiles.

NNS Aradu Otomat anti-ship missile will sink the whole south african navy to sea bottom in one day. FACT !

you still have not grown from being a navy cook/chef into a real combatant

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Just because it is new does not mean it is better. The vikkers uses the Same L7 105mm has was fited in the 1950s. T54/55 has 100mm frontal armour 80mm side armour. Vickers has 80mm on the front and 40mm on the side. Source is janes fighting vechlies.

Again new is not alll ways better. Any case it must stop to shoot like, it armour is no stronger. Basicaly a cobra is not a war winner. It is rather basic APC these days.

SA displays and fiers G2 guns every year and they still listed on our books. Any case they may have been reverbeshed. It is of no conzern. Non of nigerias Arty is any thing to brag about.

APR40 fires the same rockets that a BM21 fires. Same rockets. There is no diffrence between rockets. Only in the truck that carrys the launcher. And that 40km is a exdended range version than a BM21 can fire.

And the AK101 is a copy of the AK47. The AK47 is a great wepaon the galil fix certain problems to make it even better. Are you saying a beatel is the same has a porchey now.


The fact you say the use the same engien show you are a fool. There is vere littel that is the same with them. Must I post a pic of the 2 again.

Did not say they the exact air craft. Only that you can bring a mig21 up to the same standard of a J7 a mig21 copy.

Only a Adarter can perform a 100g turn a PL9 a 40g turn. And yes it is good. But we have the seaker heads.

West africa is not a challnge.

The correct term is never fired on by a SSM like a ottomat. And only because they never saw us.

Please stope peddling this bull. It has been debucked so many times.

Who that guy at the bottom? Looks like SA camo?

agaugust: i tactically forced you to give an answer that will make everybody see how foolish you are

same way nigerian F-7 jet is a new design and different from the original MiG 21, new wing shape, new radar, new electronic warfare suite, new PL-9C missile....or did your dull brain tell you that MiG 21 jet uses the same missile as F-7 jet ? fool

https://www.ausairpower.net/PLA-AF/PL-9C-AAM-Zhenguan-Studio-1S.jpg

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I menstioed the Mig 21 lancer many times. The F7 is no better than it.

agaugust: south african military has never fought against 99% of nigerian military weapons.

show me source as proof where south african army fought war against these nigerian weapons :

Vickers Main Battle Tank
Cobra APC
APR-40 Rockets launchers
Bofors Haubit Artillery
Plamaria Mobile Artillery
Swingfire Anti-tank Missile
Otomat Anti-ship missile
ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft
F-7 jet with PL-9C Missile range 22km equal to Gripen Jet Iris or A-Darta Missile
Type 056 Stealth Warship
Mi-35 Hind helicopter gunship
Roland Anti-aircraft Missile
High Altitude Spy Balloons
Spy satellites in space, which nigeria has but south africa has NONE !

you think nigeria is like burundi or mozambique ?

you are a big time buffoon...a complete Papa Ajasco

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Only 2 countries use the vikers and both are african. It simlare it abliety to a T55.

The cobra is nothing to say OMG about. If you can take out a BMP you can take our a cobra

APR 40 is a BM21 coppy witch we took out with WW2 QF25 pounders

Your bofors 77 are in storage according to reconised sources.

Noted but is irelent in the grand scheme since it is badly out classed

Swing fire was good 20 years ago
Ottmat is well with in the target range of a umkhonto

You have 2 of them or 4 if you includ those in civlian hands. They all so not any thing speciol

It a MIG 21 copy and the PL9 is a export model PL8 witch is a lisnienced python 3 AAM. We have python 3 AAMs meaning we have the seeker head of your AAM all ready and no it's limtastion.

Your chinness OPV are nothing to brag about and we never had nearly has good frigats in the 70s and 80s

Mi 35 is just a upgraded Mi24 both are hinds. We fought against Mi 24s built a supper hind(better than a Mi35) and still a supper hind. Most of our rooivalk piolts have flown both there chopper and the supper hind.

We fought against russian rqulvents and in great numbers.

We fought against a USSR backed angola and cuba who know a lot more about spy satlites. All so you "spy ballons" and satlits have not saved the hundreds of civlians that BH kill. And don't say they hide among civlians. BH drives in to towns with force.



You thing nigeria is any difrent from the rest of west africa?

drag_on: Not that south Africa can with theirs',seeing they are on the edge of being grounded. lol

Even with our fincial troubels we still got more active ready to fly than nigeria.

Now take in to account the F7 is very basic and the gripen is among the most advance aircraft on the market. So please don't compare NAF to SAAF it is like comparing a beatel to a BMW M5 with engien troubel.

Things are getting risky in mozambique. Don't see a full blown civil war starting( renamo is to small and has no out side suport) but iy is a risk. If a war does break out zimbawe would likly step in first folowed by SA then SADC.

rka1: Nigeria: Peacekeeping - UN Owes Nigeria, Four Others N127 Billion
By Bayo Oladeji, 24 October 2013


The United Nations (UN) is indebted to Nigerian army and other four countries to the tune of N127 billion through her participation in the global peacekeeping effort but, despite this, all the troops participating in the programme have been getting their allowances as and when due.

Apart from Nigeria, the other countries are Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Rwanda.

The director, army public relations, Brigadier General Ibrahim Attahiru, who made this disclosure in Abuja during the monthly press briefing of the army, also decried the presence of some bad eggs among the troops who are sabotaging the army's efforts.

The army spokesman, who went down memory lane, stated that some administrative and logistics factors might delay the payment of such allowances but disclosed that the army has ways of filling the vacuum.

"The Nigerian Army commenced its participation in peace support operations in 1961. The first actors of this noble endeavour are still alive and can testify to the fact that the Nigerian Army has never held back operational allowances, or any allowance for that matter, of any personnel in the last 52 years of its involvement in peace support operations.

"At times, administrative and logistics bottlenecks may delay the release of funds. The army headquarters has always made efforts to fill in the void, more so troops are kept informed of all developments. Furthermore, you will recall that, early this month, the United Nations (UN) admitted to owing Nigeria and four other countries N127.2 billion accrued through her peacekeeping efforts to the global organisation."

Speaking on some troops who were accusing the army authorities of cutting corners, Attahiru said, "It is important to note that every organisation has bad eggs; the Nigerian Army is not different. The case of these disgruntled soldiers is just the army's share of this societal condition, hence it should not be negatively orchestrated."

On the ongoing counter-insurgency programme, the army spokesman said the efforts to deal with the Boko Haram insurgency is yielding positive efforts. Buttressing this point, he said, last Saturday, insurgents using rocket-propelled grenades and AK 47 rifles fired into Gamboru-Ngala. Troops deployed at that location promptly engaged the terrorists. In the ensuing fire fight, a couple of terrorists were killed, as others fled into Fotokol in Cameroun. The Cameroun authorities were promptly intimated of this development."

He also brought to the fore what happened last Sunday when the insurgents mounted a roadblock along Dikwa-Gamboru Ngala road axis, waylaying passengers and subsequently shooting them, killing four civilians, seized foodstuffs being conveyed in a vehicle. Attahiru disclosed that the moment the troops from Special Operations Battalion (SOB) was alerted, troops moved in and pursued the attackers and five of them were killed. To prevent a recurrence, "aggressive patrols on all the highways in the northeast are being intensified."

The army spokesman further explained that Nigerian troops are still in Mali on peacekeeping mission. He said, "Troops of 333 Artilery Regiment were rotated from MINUSMA Peacekeeping Mission in Mali in May 2013. This was occasioned by a patriotic call to duty based on heightened security situation in the northeast. It is noted that elements of the unit are currently in Mali, as an attempt to withdraw totally from the mission area would have created a void which may need to be filled by other troops-contributing countries."


http://allafrica.com/stories/201310240158.html

And you guys wonder why we did not deploy the rooivalk before all the I's were doted ant t's crossed.

Even so the UN likes to screw SA by saying our vechiles are not at there standarded even though they used more than the indian's who tend to not patrol far. Working under AU mandates are much better. They got the same rules but they have brains.

rka1: F7's are flying again and pilots have been keeping up their hours on the L-39s and Alpha Jets.

And our A109 piolts fly orx. All A109 piolts qulfie on it.

And that was my point. Just because a aircraft type is grounded does not mean it is the end. The piolts will loose there qulficastion on that aircraft and beforced too regain it next year.


People all so fail to remember simmulastors are pretty good these days.

drag_on: COMPARISM OF THE Saab JAS 39 Gripen and J7(as interceptors)


GRIPEN
General characteristics
Crew: 1 (2 for JAS 39D)
Payload: 5,300 kg (11,700 lb)
Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in); two-seater: 14.8 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,800 kg[229] (12,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 8,500 kg (18,700 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at high altitude
Combat radius: 800 km (500 mi, 432 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,200 km(2,000 mi)with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 15,240 m (50,000 ft)
Armament
Guns: 1 × 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon with 120 rounds (only available on single-seat A/C model)
Hardpoints: 8 (three on each wing and two under fuselage) and provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets: 4× rocket pods 13.5 cm rockets
Missiles:
6× Rb.74 (AIM-9) or Rb 98 (IRIS-T)
4× Rb.99 (AIM-120) or MICA
4× Rb.71 (Skyflash) or Meteor


J-7
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 14.885 m (Overall) (48 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 8.32 m (27 ft 3½ in)
Height: 4.11 m (13 ft 5½ in)
Wing area: 24.88 m² (267.8 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,292 kg (11,667 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,540 kg (16,620 lb) (two PL-2 or PL-7 air-to-air missiles)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Liyang Wopen-13F afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 44.1 kN (9,921 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 64.7 kN (14,550 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 (2,200 km/h (1,189 knots, 1,375 mph)) IAS
Stall speed: 210 km/h (114 knots, 131 mph) IAS
Combat radius: 850 km (459 nmi, 528 mi)(air superiority, two AAMs and three drop tanks)
Ferry range: 2,200 km(1,187 nmi, 1,367 mi)--{drop tanks not indicated by source}
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,420 ft)
Rate of climb: 195 m/s (38,386 ft/min)
Armament
Guns: 2× 30 mm Type 30-1 cannon, 60 rounds per gun
Hardpoints: 5 in total - 4× under-wing, 1× centreline under-fuselage with a capacity of 2,000 kg maximum (up to 500 kg each)[37]
Rockets: 55 mm rocket pod (12 rounds), 90 mm rocket pod (7 rounds)
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: PL-2, PL-5, PL-7, PL-8, PL-9, Magic R.550, AIM-9

note any fighter that can fire a AIM-9 can fire an Rb 98 (IRIS-T)

BOTH AIRFORCES CURRENTLY DONT HAVE BVR.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

wiki uses information for saab and Jane's All The World's Aircraft 2003–2004.

The comparsin has been done before. It does not take in to account radar, EW, extra extra. All so the gripen can carry BVRMs unlike nigerias F7