₦airaland Forum

Becomricho:
yes, you 419 just spoke to the police chief my foot. who is a criminal. You have a hole in your head.

Do you think all african are criminal. Well in Yorubaland, go and ask what we do to a thief.

Your informant indeed. So you think CIA does not have better work to do, than listen to you. Or do you think I am Osama , you are really funny. my life is an open book. I have nothing to hide. If nairaland is what you use to judge people , you have a problem. Nairaland is run by scam artist . you see the  apartment , land and cars, they do not exist. You better dont fall into nairaland scam. Nairaland is knew for its many scam in nigeria.

Are you calling Seun osewa a scam artist?

Aare Becomrichn, we need to see your academic record from Ilorin before we can believe anything coming from you

How many As did you get? Did you ever 'gbe egun' when you were at Ilorin?

SEFAGO:
Dude thats how most schools and buildings in Nigeria are. Dude - have u ever been in the motherland before?

@becomrich
No one is underrating Nigerian universities. W[b]e are just celebrating egbe omo yoruba[/b].

DOnt hate, celebrate

Did Aare Becomrich invite you when he was relaunching Egbe omo oduduwa?

The Egbé Ọmọ Odùduwà was relauched again lead by Adesegun Musiwa as a political forum to support for all children of Oduduwa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egbe_Omo_Oduduwa

Obiagu1:
We don't but we have to fight for what we think is fair.

That's what you'll not understand. [size=18pt]SE is where PDP originated which you guys can argue till eternity.[/size]
If the SE abandon the PDP, there will be a chain reaction that the SS will abandon it too. SW already has gone to ACN and that means the PDP can hardly win any election.

They are being threatened by CPC and ANPP in the North.

Ibo people and their delusions

Havent we gone through this already.

The PDP party was formed in the North, not in the SE

Gosh! What a set of dumbasses

Becomricho:
why would you think i am a yahoo yahoo. i am not into scam.  

you make me laugh, i dont have time for crime, i have a brain. I have always been smart all my life.  so why would i want to commit a crime when i can use my brain. university does not make you money. I know a man in canada, who did not go to university, but he is a millionaire. people think book will make them rich is silly.

You are a liar

I just spoke to the Chief of Police in Toronto, and he said you are criminal

You make me laugh fall gbagada for ground

My informant in the CIA just told me that they are sending Navy Seal Team 7 to your apartment. You'd better be ready for them

if you are not a criminal, post your academic record for us to see

Becomricho:
who is a criminal. I am not a criminal. You see the school you went to does not matter, it is what is in your brain.

This is university of ife, look many of the universities abroad do not have this. So when people underrate nigeria universities , it is because they never went to one before.

Egbon Becomrichn, you are a criminal

I have it on record,that fo sho, you are a criminal

You are a yahoo-yahoo 'crooner' in Canada

koruji:
The northern caucus is probably making its own political calculations - perhaps they will be looking for the SW support on another position. I'll be surprised if this is based on any intention to form a union with the SW.

The problem is that the SE wants to keep the Presidency and one of the most important National Assembly positions in the SS/SE while with no leadership representation of the SW at all. It just won't work that way as long as some zoning is still in place

SS-Presidency/NW-VP/NC-Senate Presidency/Speaker-SW/SGF-SE is how it will work.

You also have to realize that all this crap by the SE is just for one purpose, to alienate the SW

Thats the point

Dora let the cat out the other day when he said that if elected, she would fight to keep the SW out of the senate presidency

The North and the SW have always worked together, we actually get along with the North than with any other group in Nigeria

I am not really surprised. I think with the North on our side, the speakership position will remain in the SW

Of course, this is politics, we have to repay them back.

But in all honesty, better go into an alliance with the North, than the SE.

I like them Hausas I no go lie.

Becomrich has spoken

Case closed

According to Aare Becomrichn, a criminal from Canada, kini big deal gan sef

Check the link below for the official list of past Oonis:

http://theooni.org/pastoonis.htm

Long live the Yoruba fighting spirit

Long live the Yoruba Political sagacity

Long live the great of the greatest Yoruba Intelligentsia

One by one, ward by ward, senatorial district by senatorial district, we will LIBERATE Alaigbo, and indeed Nigeria

http://odili.net/news/source/2011/may/8/508.html

May the union between the North and the SW last.

May we be friends for ever and ever

Just like we defeated Ndigbo in 1967, may we succeed together again and again

God bless the North

God Bless the SW

God bless a united North/SW

May God bless this union.

Anyone who is not happy with it can go hug the nearest transformer

I dey laugh oooooo

Speakership: Northern caucus backs South West • Mounts pressure on Jonathan
From FRANCIS AWOWOLE-BROWNE, Abuja

Sunday, May 8, 2011
As intrigues continue to play out in the zoning of national offices within the National Assembly, the Northern caucus is pushing for the retention of the Speakership position in the South-West.



But the development has pitched the northern members of the National Assembly against their South-Eastern colleagues. Presently, the northern caucus of both chambers is said to be mounting fresh pressure on President Jonathan not to succumb to the demand by the South-East lawmakers whose position is championed by their governors.

Sources revealed that the move by the northern lawmakers to back a South-West Speaker is meant to preserve the Senate Presidency in the North Central.

It was gathered that the Northern elements are raising the issue of religion as a key factor in balancing of power with argument that the Senate President would be a Christian, while the Speaker of the House of Representatives should be a Muslim as the scenario is presently.

Sunday Sun gathered that the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) leaders who attended the Obudu Retreat in Calabar, with President Jonathan and his Deputy, Namadi Sambo in attendance, had at the end held separate meetings with the President with a position that the party had concluded on the choice of South-West as custodian of the Speakership position and was wholly supported by the northern representatives at the retreat.

It was on that basis, according to those present, that the caucus was prevailed upon to zone the post of Deputy Speakership to the North-West against the initial consideration of North-East for the post.

Northern members of PDP who supported the South-West were said to have been emphatic that a male be equally picked from the zone as the next Speaker on the basis that Muslims generally would be more at home to work with a male Speaker rather than a female choice.

The religious consideration based on Islamic ethics was said to have been the reason the Caucus settled for Representative Muraina Ajiblola. Members of the caucus were said to have alluded to the past experience in the House in 2007 when the first ever Nigerian female Speaker, Patricia Etteh lost her job on a religion.

“Mr. President was informed that although the former Speaker, according to reports, lost the post on alleged granting of anticipatory approval on contracts for renovation of her official residence and that of the Deputy Speaker, the unexplained reason for her ouster from office was her Christian religious background”, the source explained.

Buttressing their claim, the group had also told President Jonathan that the same religious reason was responsible for non-consideration of the South-East for the post of Speaker.

Investigations have revealed that the northern members of PDP are taking further steps in proving the point they struck at Obudu by pledging support For Muraina after a meeting they held in Abuja last Friday night.

A principal official of the House who was at the meeting confided in Sunday Sun that the northern caucus in the House has resolved to support the lawmaker to be Speaker. The Principal Officer, who is a House Committee Chairman said the Speakership aspirant from Igboora, Oyo State has a track record that could fetch him the position.

Katsumoto:
I don't get your point. Are you insinuating that the Ibadan empire was in fact an extension of the Oyo empire? If that is what you are insinuating, then you are wrong. Also, the final battle with the Fulani jihadists was at Osogbo in 1840. The Ibadan Expansionist Wars occured between 1840 - 1878. In that time, virtually all the Oyo dominated areas such as the Ife Kingdom, Akoko, Ekiti, the Ijesha Kingdom, and Yagbe, came under what has been called The Ibadan Empire from which the Fulani invaders had been driven out

See Professor Akinjogbin in his "Wars in Yorubaland, 1793 - 1893: An analytical categorisation"

Ibadan fought Oyo (well remnants of it) between 1859 and 1862 over two issues; the succession of Alaafin Atiba by Alaafin Adelu in 1858. Adelu wasn't recognised by Kurunmi (the Aare Ona kakanfo) but was recognised by Ibadan. Secondly, they had to decide who was the strongest in military terms. Kurunmi lost the war, ijaiye was annexed to Ibadan, and the Alaafin was exposed to action from Ibadan.

See Professor Bolanle Awe's "The Rise of the Ibadan Empire".

See S.A. Akintoye's "Revolution and Power Politics."

I suspect that your account is not different from mine but most historians agree that Ibadan was an empire in its own right and not a tributary of Oyo as you are alluding.

Do you mean, MILITARISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN NINETEENTH CENTURY YORUBA COUNTRY: THE IBADAN EXAMPLE
BY BQLANLE AWE ?

ziccoit:
@zstranger, are you really a stranger?  Pls where do you stay? The highlighted is a blatant lie and a misrepresentation of the truth. Are you truly living in SW. BISI AKANDE is the best thing that has ever happened to Osun State since her creation. You have to bring facts to support your claim and I bet you will find none.

BISI AKANDE achievements in the state remained monumental in Osun State.

mbulela:
How can you make such a comment?
It is so untrue that it is painful.
Fo a start Bisi Akande is a morraly upright man and one of the few Nigrian politicians that is known to be not corrupt.
you can accuse him of being old school and a bit slow but comparing him to OGD is a horrible injustice.
it is like comparing night and day.

Even though I take issue with many of your points. I find this to be most interesting.

For starters, did you read about Bisa Akande or did you actually live in Osun State when he was Governor?

Let me tell you, I lived through his reign as governor of Osun-State, and anyone who lived through it would tell you that he was the worst governor in the SW circe 1999-2003.

Besides building the new state house,  that should not have cost nothing more than 100 million naira,  for N 1 Billion , mention one other thing he did as governor?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=661845.msg8284360#msg8284360 date=1304934614]You misread. That is when construction is expected to start.[/quote]What do you have for the people on ground who think it is a bad idea, AT THIS TIME

The point they are making is that this is not what we need at this time

Before you reply, try putting yourself in their shoes. that is very important

You need to be able to see things from their perspective first. failure to do so undermines your credibility and people oriented-ness.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=661845.msg8283057#msg8283057 date=1304910666]@zstranger:

But where do we get the money from for these public goods you want? Where is a state like Lagos that gets pretty small FG allocations relative to its population going to get the money for these public goods (healthcare, education) that you talk about?

The FG isn't going to give us the money. So we need to invite investors who want to do business in Lagos, and then tax the hell out of them!

That is where you get the cash from for public goods.[/quote]Well how much is the State government investing? And how much are they going to make per year for how long?

Do we have estimates? If the main aim is to create jobs for the locals, I am afraid that 10 yrs from now, we will have to start importing workers from other countries. So where does that leave us in the long run?

^^^

http://www.africanloft.com/the-tinapa-tragedy/

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=661845.msg8283033#msg8283033 date=1304910174]Tinapa was very poorly planned. It is the middle of nowhere, essentially. How does one GET to Tinapa? How does one transport goods to Tinapa? Up a tiny river that needs to be dredged. How do the major population centers in Nigeria get to Tinapa?

Do you not see how Tinapa and Lekki are different? We don't need to dredge a river before one can bring goods in and out of our FTZ. And we are located right in the most populous part of Nigeria.
Everyone can choose to build their own airport. But the airlines will choose where to route their flights based on what makes the most business sense for them.

Wyoming can decide today it wants to become  major hub, and take the crown from Denver International Airport and Salt Lake City (the two giants in that area, if I'm not mistaken.)

But how does it convince the airlines to shift traffic?

I've not looked at their feasibility studies and projections. But that they are only investing $700 million and seem to have found investors willing to put up the cash for the rest is a telling sign of the feasibility of this venture.[/quote]I just read a lil about it on wiki, and it sounds like a good idea actually.

I was a bit naive with the "where is the 5 million people coming from question"

Anyway, i am just a lil skeptical.

I'd rather we spend money to produce more/better quality students, a healthier populace and encourage our indigenous entrepreneurs before doing that. But it seems like a good idea.

Justcash:
Nah, no insult intended. "Lion Scratches", as in "Big Tribal marks". I served in Ipokia Local Government of Ogun state. So, I know what I am talking about. I am talking out of what I saw.
It is "IGBO". With the "GB". Like "AGBO". Even if you cannot pronounce properly, write it correctly.

She is Latvian, i told you.

She doesnt understand a lot of our naija lingo

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=661845.msg8282993#msg8282993 date=1304908906]The $700 million will not solve education, healthcare, and provide employment for all of time. Population of Lagos is probably around 20 million. Is 35 bucks per person really going to buy you much education or healthcare?

However, investing $700 million as part of a PPP to build probably a m[b]ult-billion dollar airport that will be a major hub in Africa and service a major FTZ will create a longer-lasting impact[/b].

We'll attract lots of investment, create jobs, and from the tax revenue from the investment and jobs, provide education and healthcare.[/quote]You are over estimating the viability of this project. They said the same thing about Tinapa, "located by the Calabar River, and contiguous with the Calabar Free Trade Zone, " But Tinapa, instead of making money and attracting people, is a ghost town as we speak.

An airport that would be a mojor hub in Africa? Like the rest of Africa do not have plans of their own. If Lagos thinks an Airport would bring in money, dont you think Accra would want to do same, Benin, Abidjan etc. I just dont believe in all these grand plans that are bound to fail, looking at examples from other places.

For starters, where is the 5 million passengers coming from? From space? Even as it is right now, MMA is not the busiest airport in West-Africa, what makes you think that this so called Lekki Airport would magically, from no where, become a major hub in Africa?

^^^

Do you have an ibo name?

I think a lot of Yorubas do, yours truly included

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=662867.msg8282924#msg8282924 date=1304906616]He's the problem right now. This delegation should do the trick though. This reminds me of OBJ's failed third term ordeal.[/quote]I hope ndigbo is not claiming victory for that?

Justcash:
The truth is that no one got any feud with you. You are fighting yourself in an imaginary warfare. Some call your sickness Multiple personality syndrome. Others call it Insanity. In Naija we call it "Craze". Na wetin dey worry you be that.
If she is really Latvian, then you should be ashamed that she is more knowledgeable than you can ever be. And sorry, I aint a friend to Yoroobas like you.

Well, i was being sarcastic. if you think all this crap you all do on NL get to me, then sorry to break it to you, it doesnt.

Well, she is Latvian and her knowledge of Nigeria = Zero. But I am not mad at you though, knowing that in 10 yrs time, a Yoruba man would be Governor of Alaigbo via ACN, and you and your people would be dependent on us for survival, gives me more satisfaction that you can ever imagine

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282938#msg8282938 date=1304907122]Well, almost all of those items benefit Nigeria just as much as they do the SW. For example, the lack of roads/rail in the SW probably hurts the North far more than it hurts us. It essentially increases the distance between them and the rest of the world.

So I think you can get people to support many of these things purely for selfish interest. . . for the same reason I as an Ekiti man want good roads/rail linking me to Lagos, someone from Abuja, Kaduna, Kano, and Borno should want the same (at least, if they have sense in their heads.)
Tinubu seems sharper than most other naija politicians I've seen. I cannot vouch for his honestly or lack of corruption though, lol. But there is something to be said for intelligence.
Hehe. Why do you say this? I dunno much about the guy. Anyway, we have enough brains in the ACN and SW. . . main thing is to have an open environment for the best ideas to come forward.[/quote]He was my Governor in osun State, from 1999-2003. Lets just say, we were glad he wasnt re-elected for a second term in 2003.

You think OGD is bad? Bisi Akande was worse.

Eko Ile:
It kind of break your heart listening to many so many leaders of tomorrow with zero vision and can't do self-defeatist mentality. No wonder Lagos state is far ahead of many of these clueless and visionless states. Just look at the absurd statement that the airport is not going to directly impact the common man as if the airport is going to buld itself and only ghosts are going to be employed and paying taxes to the state and in return the state is going to use thye tax money generated to take care of ghosts abi aliens, Some people are just too silly and and shallow, they can not walk and shew gum at the same time.

You dont seem to get the point.
The point is that first things first, get the people educated, healthy, and able to do the job. Then Airport and other luxuries can come after.

If the life expectancy is where it is now, 47 and our schools arent being taken good care of, where are we going to get the 21st century workers making enough money to actually use the airport and pay taxes. Well, except if you plan to continue to import 'expats' from abroad to do things that we should be able to do.

Justcash:
Difficulty in pronunciation is definitely understandable. The fact that you spell and write it well is enough respect for Igbos already, and is well appreciated. Have no doubt that it will be reciprocated.

She is latvian, she knows nothing about our below the surface feud.


Anyway, my Ibo friend, how is life?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282922#msg8282922 date=1304906525]^-- ACN is probably working with the PDP one way or another. I suspect that they are playing a cloak and dagger sort of game. These rumors of the ministerial slots promised to Tinubu and the strange inaction of the ACN in the SW when GEJ ran for office I think tells a lot.

We won't be cheated out of what is our due at the federal level. . . ACN is playing the game more cleverly than we've played the game in the past, I think.[/quote]You seem to have a lot of confidence in Tinubu's ability.

I wouldnt trust Bisi Akande though, the guy is just too stupiddd to know what is good for himself

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282884#msg8282884 date=1304904952]Zstranger, our priority list looks like this:
1. Power
2. Fix roads, rail
3. Agric
4. healthcare, potable water
In what way is not retaining the speakership/being strong in the PDP going to affect the above four items? How is the speakership comparable to ANY of the above?
How will not being in the PDP materially hurt us?
GEJ doesn't look like a vindictive sort of guy, who will sabatoge our progress. Besides, he has too much on his plate to deal with even if he did. . . OBJ, NW, NC, NE, SS, and SE riding his back.[/quote]How do you make your case for all you listed above if you are shut out meetings where those decisions are taking place?

Lagos-Ibadan road has been neglected now for how many years, even when OBJ was presido, nothing was done per se. na so so promise we got from him. Even the Ooni got him to make the promise to us at his palace, still nothing. Do you think our present situation WRT to the present make up of the government would help or hinder our case?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282866#msg8282866 date=1304904582]They have 3 returning PDP SW guys or so, I thought? Maybe 5
Who said they did badly? Not for presidential
Based on what? Look, bleep the presidency, I want the SW to be strong. Allocations + good governance is good enough for that. Of what use is entering the PDP and your region stagnating?
Who told you Ribadu and Ngige are leaving the ACN? At your latter statement, you are viewing things too much through a 1960s lens. We aren't back in the 1960s where the North+SS+SE can just form a government to our exclusion. At the very least, the eyes of the world are watching. And there are too many competing factions in the PDP anyways.
How will they deny us this money? Our federal allocations are intact, yes?
We shall see. . . I think their strategy is sound.[/quote]There is alot of reason ACN needs to in a way join the PDP. It seems like our first 11 arent in the PDP, they are elsewhere, ACN and LP. As long as the PDP continues to be the dominant party, we will continue to lag behind WRT federal projects and revenue.  Revenue in this sense has nothing to do with statutory monthly allocations from the sale of oil, but revenue WRT to wealth creation. Where is the next Otedola, Mike Adenuga, Abiola, Jimoh Ibrahim, Fola Adeola etal going to come from?

These are the real wealth creators, not your UI, OAU etc. Having GLO in the SW is of huge benefit to the SW, which would not have been possible if Adenuga wasnt close to IBB/OBJ et al

Also, in terms of policy, currently we have the best brains in Nigeria, and if our so called best 11s arent in the PDP, bad policy from the others will eventually hurt us all. It reminds me of  Garreth Hardins' The tragedy of the commons,  " a dilemma arising from the situation in which multiple individuals, acting independently and rationally consulting their own self-interest, will ultimately deplete a shared limited resource even when it is clear that it is not in anyone's long-term interest for this to happen. If you apply that concept to Nigeria's politics,  a section of the country, ACN/SW, not contributing her quota to the betterment of everyone will eventually lead to formulation of bad policies that will hurt us all, SW included. After all, we are still part of the whole.

What will happen is that in the short term, we may do better than the rest, but the net migration that will ensue into the SW as a result will be beyond what we can handle. It is on record today, that OBJ would never have emerged as the PDP flag bearer if Afenifere had not walked out on the meeting convened by Ekwueme in 1998. If we had stayed, a better candidate from the south, Ige/Falae/Ekwueme/ Adesanya/ or one of the Awoists, would have emerged.

Because of that lack of foresight on the part of the so called "progressives' then, this is where we are now. We have not represented ourselves well. From OBJ to GEJ, the south has proven herself, at least from an outsider's POV, to not be better than the so called backward North. We should not allow this to happen again.

The ACN/ SW can get into the PDP en masse, with long term look of course, and then become the ideological arm of the PDP, taking control of the PDP from within. This strategy, not the we-are-better-and-and-smarter-than-you-approach, is the way to go, if we want to remain part of the federation for the long haul

Honestly, I do it to spite you all

I am Nigerian and every Yoruba knows that it is igbo, so if you see me using Ibo, it is intentional.

I call it Igbo in real life, but on NL, it is Ibo or heebo or Eebo, depending on my mood


But when I am trying to pick up igbo girls like Inked, I call it igboi.

You can do whatever you want, call me Anago, Akan, Yooba or Yba, I really dont care. you opinion matters not to me

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282818#msg8282818 date=1304903521]Wouldn't be surprised if the ACN is rooting for PDP SW to lose the speakership. You can then use that loss to force GEJ to give you something that actually benefits the region.

I don't want the SW region to blow its political capital on things that aren't useful, that are more for show.

If OBJ can take retain it while only expending his own political capital, fine. But spending SW capital? Not a fan of that. We'll need it for other projects over the next few years. . . [/quote]Like what?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282764#msg8282764 date=1304902698]What?

There is ACN SW, there is PDP SW.

If the PDP decides to punish PDP SW and take away the position that is supposed to be theirs, then it is the PDP to blame.

You are right, there is a wrong message being sent. . . but it isn't going to be us to blame. But the PDP national.This isn't a Yoruba affair. This is a PDP affair. If the PDP decides to take from the PDP SW what was previously agreed on, how is Yorubaland to blame? We have no say in the matter.[/quote]But you have to look at it from PDP's point?
They have no returning PDP member with enough clout and rank to be the speaker, it seems

It would be stupiddd of the PDP to give that slot to the SW WRT how badly they did in 'our' region. And, in order to have an all inclusive government, they do need Yorubas, ACN so be specific, to meet them halfway.

Sometimes, I wonder if we are not shooting ourselves in the leg with this bloc voting shitz

Developmental wise, it makes sense, but in the long run and WRT the presidency, we just might not be able to mount a formidable campaign for it. Even if the election were credible, getting others to vote for us would be herculean.

I just dont know how we can do it. If we lose Ribadu, lose Ngige which is very likely, and have no non-Yoruba in ACN, we will be effectively sidelined to the amusement of our adversaries.

The point here is that novel ideas is not the forte of the Yorubas alone. We still need the money from the center and the trust of the others in this union. If the North and the Igbos and the SS take over the machinery of the PDP, it can only spell doom for us.

Anyway, I really dont trust the leadership of the ACN. They dont seem to know exactly how to move us forward.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=662872.msg8282714#msg8282714 date=1304901897]Of what relevance is this position? How has it benefited the SW in the past?

Let the PDP SW and OBJ fight for it. If they succeed, fine. If they fail, no wahala.

Isn't an ACN affair[/quote]But I think it is better for the image of the country to have all the big tribes well represented in the top six positions of government. Not having a Yoruba represented sends a wrong message to the outside world and to the other groups. We, if care is not taken, might be alienated from decision making in the long run, making it more difficult to actually mount a formidable campaign for the presidency

We should not be seen as anti-Nigeria or solely pro-Yorubas alone