oge4real:

@PTH, do you really think you are in a position to know what God wants?

no, but i am in a position to read the bible to understand how God works.

majamaja or what did you call yasef,
that was wrong of you to say, do you know how many lives that camp has been a blessing to? many jobless, homeless,once possesed,once afflicted,dejected,rejected, sick,poor,  people e.t.c, the RCCG is a blessing to many lives,if you dont know, i doubt if Dad Adeboye the General Overseer Himself has a car to Himself, everything is Gods, all the vehicles , what you see on them is redeem address, have you ever seen him sitted in a car b4, he sits very humbly and place his 2 hands on His laps.you better dont put a curse on your self and besides, that place(redemption camp)was formally a forest, and if God has no hand in it , it wouldnt have been what it is today, its now a city.remember the threats of demolition, where are the people today, i was even so glad to see the gvernor of lagos state and ogun state at the redemption camp yesterday at the NEXT LEVEL congress, so what are we talking about?
guess you are convinced now and if not, i leave into the hands of God to convince you.
check out the humilty on the face of the man of God
cosby

oge4real:

The Bible says if they are not against us,then they are for us.Would we all be happy if this money was used to have o tummy tuck, build a private castle or purchase a massage machine?
I do not mind how much is spent in glorifying the name of God, and I will advise for men to desist from derogatory discussions concerning Men of God and the Gospel.
Remember that God is a JEALOUS GOD!

uhhhhm, No. . .

George Bush said so. .

For those who want more info on RCCG, read the link below.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redeemed_Christian_Church_of_God

[size=16pt]Where is Passworded? I'm leaving them in their folly too and i pray they do not die in it. I'm talking bout So Called Christians who know nothing bout what they talk bout.[/size]

7.7 billions


Sad Sad Sad

@ Cosby: thanks for that great pix of Dr. Adeboye.

and the painfull thing is that the church is not even completed and 7.7billion naira has been spent.
please lets wake up from our sleep.
tough i respect adeboye.
somebody told me that christembassy was spendind a billion naira for just foundation.

I saw this auditorium on TV again yesterday. . . It isn't bad at all.

ladynoni:

@ Cosby: thanks for that great pix of Dr. Adeboye.

Hero worship masquerading as "love for Gawd".

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! do u kw wat u ar all sayin.let me just let u kw life n death lied in ur mouth.wat u hav said in some places would be used against u on judment day.watch ur tong n dont say anytin concering d house of God and is servant.plzzzzzzzzzzzzz. u might not be forgiven.

s.q:

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! do u kw what u ar all sayin.let me just let u kw life n death lied in your mouth.what u hav said in some places would be used against u on judment day.watch your tong n don't say anytin concering d house of God and is servant.plzzzzzzzzzzzzz. u might not be forgiven.

The more you people attempt to defend this gross waste of money the more you expose yourselves for being shallow christians in whom the word certainly does not dwell.

1. Only one sin is unforgivable - the sin against the Holy Spirit.

2. Show me JUST ONE instance in the bible where the Lord told the disciples to "go ye out into all the world and build me the world's largest auditoriums".

PTH,
y talk like an illetrate, am sorry to say, how dare you say such a statement, that is there any place the bible said so so so, , so you expect the church not to have a shelter to keep her people, so they are meant to be in the sun and rain wheneve there is a service, the auditorium is needful and you have to mind the way you talk because i doubt if you ve been there your self, don't let people mislead you so that all you say is not charged against you, come to think of it, do you even think this place you are talking about is enclosed like a big house or something, all this is there is just a covering, thats all, nothing too flambuoyant or extravagant there because the pastor Himself is a prudent man, there was a time he even said, if he dies and they bury him with a very expensive wristwatch, he said he will come back to life, sell it and give the money to the church, in the last programme that was just concluded, did you ever see him on a suit not oto even mention expensive suit, except for the thansgiving day which was the seventh day,which i know as a custom he wears white suit to round up the occassions every year.
finally, i doubt if you can worship in the rain or sun, so if you can't, that means whatever the church built is justified.mind you, the church is never interested in who has the biggest auditorium, its only interested in having good shelter for the worshipers.
if you arent convinced , i leave you into Gods hand.
adebiyi

Someone please post the pictures

@ Cosby, study your scriptures and quit arguing mainly on emotions.

PTH:

The more you people attempt to defend this gross waste of money the more you expose yourselves for being shallow christians in whom the word certainly does not dwell.

1. Only one sin is unforgivable - the sin against the Holy Spirit.

2. Show me JUST ONE instance in the bible where the Lord told the disciples to "go ye out into all the world and build me the world's largest auditoriums".

Please show us one verse where God said " GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND DO NOT BOTHER TO BUILD ME A HOUSE OF WORSHIP ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS TO BE THE LARGEST AUDITORIUM". Since you seem to KNOW the Bible so well, this should be very easy for you to find. @PtH

Thot this thread would be dead by now. was away for the weekend. spent friday night at the much talked about auditorium. Half of the place is still just stanctions (Hope i spelt it right) and no floor. Whats the fuss all about??

Mamajama,Nwando etc, please hear me out.

I am not a member of RCCG, but if they can build God a house worth that amount, that means they are big.
Only the rich can do that and I am proud of them for that.It is an auditorium for God nor for Cinema, or casino.

Have you found out how much was used to build some Cinemas, Casinos etc. But once it has to do with men of God doing well and not begging anybody, some folks who call themselves Christians begin to raise a dust up.
The poor will always be around, it is only the Gospel than can raise them out of penury to a place of prosperity not the money you give them,ok?
So leave Pastor Adeboye alone.He's got bucks! Did he ask you for money? Did the tithe payers etc complain to you?
Do you pay your tithes? If you were a Christian you won't be driving a 1978 PINTO in 2007, that's a shame!!!!

Let me quickly remind you that God has put your Prosperity in the hands of your man of God, only!
So be wise.
Most of us a putting the word of God to work and living a good life.But there would always be those who won't go with the word and live in Penury.They will always complain.
Hey, you have to be wise if you are a Christian in here.

For those who have spoken negatively about this laudable feat, please, send your man of God a good gift, preferably a check, and see what happens: I guarantee you, prosperity would rest in your home. For it is your man of God that causes prosperity to rest in your home, go read your bible.

Thanks.

better build a church with 7.7 billion than host commonwealth games with I billion.

Kobojunkie:


Please show us one verse where God said " GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND DO NOT BOTHER TO BUILD ME A HOUSE OF WORSHIP ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS TO BE THE LARGEST AUDITORIUM". Since you seem to KNOW the Bible so well, this should be very easy for you to find. @PtH

There is none. But i challenge you to show me JUST ONE verse in the bible where God placed an emphasis on the building for worship. Go ahead tell us.

When Christ sent out the apostles how many churches did they build and how much did Judas collect as building offering?
After the day of pentecost, pls show us where the apostles forced the brethren to sell their land and bring the money to the church so they could build Bethlehem's largest auditorium . . . afterall thousands were saved that day and they would have needed "space" to preach the gospel aye. . .

Another "gospelman" with no knowledge of the gospel.

gospelman:

I am not a member of RCCG, but if they can build God a house worth that amount, that means they are big.
Only the rich can do that and I am proud of them for that.It is an auditorium for God nor for Cinema, or casino.

I hope you have come across portions of the bible where Christ addressed the rich. I'll help you;
Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

gospelman:

Have you found out how much was used to build some Cinemas, Casinos etc. But once it has to do with men of God doing well and not begging anybody, some folks who call themselves Christians begin to raise a dust up.

This analogy beggars belief. Casinos and cinemas generate their own revenue through business deals and investments. They dont rip the people off in the name of building and seed offerings.

gospelman:

The poor will always be around, it is only the Gospel than can raise them out of penury to a place of prosperity not the money you give them,ok?

The sole purpose of the gospel is not to come and make you rich.
How do you measure "prosperity"? By the size of your wallet?
The bible says - Genesis 39:2 And the LORD was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.

Joseph was a servant yet properous? This is and indication that God's idea of "prosperity" and ours are not the same.

gospelman:

So leave Pastor Adeboye alone.He's got bucks! Did he ask you for money? Did the tithe payers etc complain to you?
Do you pay your tithes? If you were a Christian you won't be driving a 1978 PINTO in 2007, that's a shame!!!!

Jesus Christ was hungry, He had to create a coin in the mouth of a fish to pay His taxes, He depended on the loaves and 2 fishes of a young boy to feed the multitude, He had to borrow a grave . . . is that a shame?

When the early disciples were first named "christians" it was not because of how expensive their chariots were.

gospelman:

For those who have spoken negatively about this laudable feat, please, send your man of God a good gift, preferably a check, and see what happens: I guarantee you, prosperity would rest in your home. For it is your man of God that causes prosperity to rest in your home, go read your bible.

No sir, i will read the bible to you: Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.

Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Continue to propagate the false gospel of "prosperity" . . . it is nothing but a cover for greed and covetousness.

PTH:

There is none. But i challenge you to show me JUST ONE verse in the bible where God placed an emphasis on the building for worship. Go ahead tell us.

When Christ sent out the apostles how many churches did they build and how much did Judas collect as building offering?
After the day of pentecost, please show us where the apostles forced the brethren to sell their land and bring the money to the church so they could build Bethlehem's largest auditorium . . . afterall thousands were saved that day and they would have needed "space" to preach the gospel aye. . .

LMAO!!! @Pth , you came up with the strategy. I am only trying to follow your reasoning in showing you that your argument is moot if you can not find a verse in the bible that says God is against it. TRYING TO CLAIM because God did not mention it means it is sin is RIDICULOUS. That is almost the same argument as I have heard that since God did not mention computers in the Bible means Computers are evil and using them is sin. You need to at least stop trying to add what is not in the Bible in there to try to claim you are right at all cost and focus on what really is . No where in the Bible did God say DO NOT BUILD AN AUDITORIUM where you can gather in my name. If you have no verses, accept that all is not subject to the limitations you place on self and your religion when it comes to how you see your God.

@ kobojunkie, you are getting me wrong. No where did i say that building an auditorium is sin. Lai lai . . . Christ used the Jewish synagogues in existence then to preach, He worshipped in the temple and God Himself was the one who gave Solomon the dimensions of his great temple.

Here is my argument if only you people will remove the veil from your eyes . . . After the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God moved from dwelling in the temples built with hands to the temple built without hands, our bodies as temples of the Holy Ghost.
What is the purpose of building a structure for N7.7b in a land overflowing with spiritual and physical poverty? Which is more important, souls or the temple?

You can argue with me that the building was meant to accomodate more people but lets be sincere, how many of those dancing around the auditorium are truly saved? On the last day God will not ask how tall you church was.

PTH:

There is none. But i challenge you to show me JUST ONE verse in the bible where God placed an emphasis on the building for worship. Go ahead tell us.

When Christ sent out the apostles how many churches did they build and how much did Judas collect as building offering?
After the day of pentecost, please show us where the apostles forced the brethren to sell their land and bring the money to the church so they could build Bethlehem's largest auditorium . . . afterall thousands were saved that day and they would have needed "space" to preach the gospel aye. . .

Read 1 Kings chapter 6, emphasis on verse 12

And before you go shouting that was the old testment read John 2 v 12-16, emphasis on verse 16.
It may interest you to know that this was the same temple which had now been rebuilt by Herod.

I wonder why Jesus did not attack the splendour of the TEMPLE.

It may also interest you that Jesus went to this same temple to worship.

I don't know why you all expected Jesus to have built a temple when he had but 12 disciples and was on a mission of being sacrificed so that some 2000 years later millions of people will be going to church and inherently need the large building.

PTH:

Another "gospelman" with no knowledge of the gospel.

I hope you have come across portions of the bible where Christ addressed the rich. I'll help you;
Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Yet the same Jesus had rich friends such as Nicodemus and The Centurion among others whom he dined with without condemning them for being rich?? You have to be joking here @PTH. Being Rich(Wealthy)  has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your soul. If that was the case, you might as well condemn Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Job, David and the many men God made rich and Jesus quoted. Dude be careful how you trying to twist verses to suit your opinion.

This analogy beggars belief. Casinos and cinemas generate their own revenue through business deals and investments. They don't rip the people off in the name of building and seed offerings.

In essence, have you convinced yourself that people can not longer voluntarily come together to want to construct this sort of buildings for God?? Is it that you have only found these people guilty of not doing things as you want instead and so find them guilty of SIN

The sole purpose of the gospel is not to come and make you rich.
How do you measure "prosperity"? By the size of your wallet?

Jesus came to give life that we may have life and have it more abundantly. If Jesus allowed himself to be buried in the grave of a rich man and was able to afford his own taxes, and the same God blessed people over and over, are you saying that cause you do not feel comfortable with that aspect of God means God no longer does that today??

The bible says - Genesis 39:2 And the LORD was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.

Joseph was a servant yet properous? This is and indication that God's idea of "prosperity" and ours are not the same.

You mean the part about Joseph becoming the second richest man in Egypt at the time was not God’s idea of prosperity too?? Should that be skipped cause you say so??

Jesus Christ was hungry, He had to create a coin in the mouth of a fish to pay His taxes, He depended on the loaves and 2 fishes of a young boy to feed the multitude, He had to borrow a grave . . . is that a shame?

So We should completely omit the main miracle and just focus on the fact that he borrowed 2 fishes and then loaves of friend from the boy to create so much more ( abundance) for the people?? Do you see how myopic this view of yours is yet ??

When the early disciples were first named "christians" it was not because of how expensive their chariots were.

No sir, i will read the bible to you: Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.

Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Continue to propagate the false gospel of "prosperity" . . . it is nothing but a cover for greed and covetousness.

LET US TRY TO READ WITHIN CONTEXT FOR A CHANGE, Deuteronomy 8 vs 6 to 18 says
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
7 For the LORD thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills;
8 A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey;
9 A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass.
10 When thou hast eaten and art full, then thou shalt bless the LORD thy God for the good land which he hath given thee.
bless 1st Samuel 9:13, Matt 14:19, Matt 15:36, Luke 22:19

11 Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day:
12 Lest when thou hast eaten and art full, and hast built goodly houses, and dwelt therein;
13 And when thy herds and thy flocks multiply, and thy silver and thy gold is multiplied, and all that thou hast is multiplied;
14 Then thine heart be lifted up, and thou forget the LORD thy God, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage;
15 Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;
16 Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;
17 And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.
18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

@ cutebabe,
please read my latest rejoinder to kobojunkie . . .

thanks for pointing out John 2:12-16 however may i draw your attention to Mark 13: 1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
  2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

One more cogent point that you overlook . . . the temple in Jerusalem was significant up until His death on the cross . . . after which the emphasis is now on US as temples of the Holy Spirit. Consider this story:

John 4: 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
  21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
  22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
  23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
  24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

that hour came after His death when the veil of the temple was ripped apart. Now we worship God as a spirit NOT cocooned within the mercy seat of the temple in Jerusalem but as an omnipotent and omnipresent God who now declares that were 2 or 3 are gathered together IN MY NAME there He is in their midst . . . it may be under a tree, it may be in a N7.7b auditorium, the most important point is God's presence.

cutebabe:

I don't know why you all expected Jesus to have built a temple when he had but 12 disciples and was on a mission of being sacrificed so that some 2000 years later millions of people will be going to church and inherently need the large building.

But have you ever wondered why Paul and the early disciples did not collect building offerings to build the world's largest masoleum allegedly "for God"?

PTH:

@ kobojunkie, you are getting me wrong. No where did i say that building an auditorium is sin. Lai lai . . . Christ used the Jewish synagogues in existence then to preach, He worshipped in the temple and God Himself was the one who gave Solomon the dimensions of his great temple.

Here is my argument if only you people will remove the veil from your eyes . . . After the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God moved from dwelling in the temples built with hands to the temple built without hands, our bodies as temples of the Holy Ghost.
What is the purpose of building a structure for N7.7b in a land overflowing with spiritual and physical poverty? Which is more important, souls or the temple?

You can argue with me that the building was meant to accomodate more people but lets be sincere, how many of those dancing around the auditorium are truly saved? On the last day God will not ask how tall you church was.

So in essence, God changed after Jesus died?? And so meaning no body should go to the temple to worship?? You mean for the fact that even after Jesus went up to heaven, the disciples continued to worship and praise God in the temple in Vain?? I suggest you pick up your bible and read to learn about your God.

AGAIN… LET US READ THE WORD AS IS…,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.





ACTS 3 vs 1 to 3
1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.
2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.


ACTS 5 vs 41 to 42
41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.
42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.


Acts 21 vs 36 to 27

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

Where did Jesus say that using the money he gives you to build a house for him is sin?? Let alone coming together in a large group to use the money which he provides you with to build him an even bigger building is evil?? If you do not like the church do not attend but if you come in to open your mouth and spew crap and then claim it is God when the Bible does not speak for such is ridiculous. Stick to saying it is just your opinion instead of claiming it is of God when God NEVER said such.

Kobojunkie:

Yet the same Jesus had rich friends such as Nicodemus and The Centurion among others whom he dined with without condemning them for being rich?? You have to be joking here @PTH. Being Rich(Wealthy)  has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your soul. If that was the case, you might as well condemn Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Job, David and the many men God made rich and Jesus quoted. Dude be careful how you trying to twist verses to suit your opinion.

nba dont misquote me, i was merely responding to "gospelman's" false theory that being rich = being a christian. No sir.
I believe strongly that God wants us to prosper and be in health even as our soul prospers . . . i believe God does not want us to lack ANY good thing . . . however i stand firmly against the current propagation of the gospel as a money-minting religion!

God wants us to be rich BUT He is more interested in the richness of our spiritual lives than how fanciful our cars are. Abraham and the others you mention were rich but you will agree with me that not once did God mention his riches as being of that much importance.

Kobojunkie:

In essence, have you convinced yourself that people can not longer voluntarily come together to want to construct this sort of buildings for God?? Is it that you have only found these people guilty of not doing things as you want instead and so find them guilty of SIN

again you try to force wrong assumptions into my post. I have not accused anyone of sin . . . it is no sin to donate your money to the church, however what is at play here is a matter of wrong priorities . . . God is more important in our souls than how large your church is . . . you wont be going to heaven with your church. That building will one day be destroyed but you will have to give account of your life and not how much you contributed in building offering.

Kobojunkie:

Jesus came to give life that we may have life and have it more abundantly. If Jesus allowed himself to be buried in the grave of a rich man and was able to afford his own taxes, and the same God blessed people over and over, are you saying that cause you do not feel comfortable with that aspect of God means God no longer does that today??

my question is simple, look at the above in highlights. What is your own idea of the "life" Christ came to give u abundantly? A life of flashy cars, good clothes and rich mansions only?

Kobojunkie:

You mean the part about Joseph becoming the second richest man in Egypt at the time was not God’s idea of prosperity too?? Should that be skipped cause you say so??

Joseph was regarded as a "prosperous" man while still a slave. . . he was regarded as a "prosperous" man IN PRISON.
What form of prosperity was the bible alluding to there?

Kobojunkie:

So We should completely omit the main miracle and just focus on the fact that he borrowed 2 fishes and then loaves of friend from the boy to create so much more ( abundance) for the people?? Do you see how myopic this view of yours is yet ??

not my point at all. The point is simple, through that miracle Christ brings several lessons to the fore . . . that He can provide even when we think that what we have is too small and that it is not what you have in your pocket that defines you as a person.

You quoted Deut 8 but i fail to see a single point there.

Kobojunkie:


So in essence, God changed after Jesus died?? And so meaning no body should go to the temple to worship?? You mean for the fact that even after Jesus went up to heaven, the disciples continued to worship and praise God in the temple in Vain?? I suggest you pick up your bible and read to learn about your God.

The disciples (at least those in Jerusalem) continued to worship in the temple but what of those at antioch, ephesus, corinth? What of the greeks and gentiles? did they also have to take a yearly pilgrimage to Jerusalem to worship?

What of the church in the house of Aquilla and Priscilla? How much did it cost? When did they collect a building offering to build it?
Phillip spoke to the Eunuch in which temple? Paul was met on the road to Damascus, was it while he branched into a temple to worship?

Again you misconstrue my point. It is no sin to build a church . . . it is a gross misplacement of priorities to spend such a colloasal amount of money constructing a building meant for worship when God is more interested in the hungry souls of men.

PTH:

The disciples (at least those in Jerusalem) continued to worship in the temple but what of those at antioch, ephesus, corinth? What of the greeks and gentiles? did they also have to take a yearly pilgrimage to Jerusalem to worship?

What of the church in the house of Aquilla and Priscilla? How much did it cost? When did they collect a building offering to build it?

Again you misconstrue my point. It is no sin to build a church . . . it is a gross misplacement of priorities to spend such a colloasal amount of money constructing a building meant for worship when God is more interested in the hungry souls of men.

Again, unless you have God’s word outrightly saying that, you have nothing to offer but your opinion to push on others and that does not hold water at all when it comes to the Christian debate or living. A man should not sell his mercedes benz just cause in your mind you have made owning a Mercedes as sin for you when God has in no wise said it is so for all.

The Disciples who went on to antioch, ephesus, corinth built for God churches/temples/auditoriums for where they would all gather to worship. Please look it up in the Bible and in Roman history. NO WHERE did JESUS say IF YOU SPEND more than 1000 dollars, you spend too much in building a temple/church/auditorium but if you want to know, take a trip to rome and ask to be shown some of the many churches that used to exist and you might be amazed.


Acts 13:1
Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
13 Acts 14:23
And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
14 Acts 14:27
And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
15 Acts 15:3
And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
16 Acts 15:4
And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
17 Acts 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
18 Acts 18:22
And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.
19 Acts 20:17
And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
39 1 Corinthians 16:19
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
40 2 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Philippians 4:15
Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
Colossians 4:15
Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
2 Thessalonians 1:1
Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
Philemon 1:2
And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
70 Revelation 2:1
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
71 Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
72 Revelation 2:12
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
73 Revelation 2:18
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
74 Revelation 3:1
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
75 Revelation 3:7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Revelation 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Kobojunkie:

Again, unless you have God’s word outrightly saying that, you have nothing to offer but your opinion to push on others and that does not hold water at all when it comes to the Christian debate or living. A man should not sell his mercedes benz just cause in your mind you have made owning a Mercedes as sin for you when God has in no wise said it is so for all.

The Disciples who went on to antioch, ephesus, corinth built for God churches/temples/auditoriums for where they would all gather to worship. Please look it up in the Bible and in Roman history. NO WHERE did JESUS say IF YOU SPEND more than 1000 dollars, you spend too much in building a temple/church/auditorium but if you want to know, take a trip to rome and ask to be shown some of the many churches that used to exist and you might be amazed.

mba again you are committing the fallacy of reading YOUR OWN OPPINIONS into my post. Where did i indicate it was a sin to be rich? where have i said it is a sin to own a mercedes benz? My dad owns one and other family members have theirs . . . are they in sin? I think not.

God never said it is a sin to be rich, He however warns against the love of money. It is that love for money that is manifested in the responses of many who are in support of the N7.7b auditorium. The decietfulness of riches, the pride of life and the lust of the eyes/flesh is what is driving many who see the building more as a thing of pride that as another place to worship.

The minute the object becomes more important than its maker, it is a cause for alarm.

FOLLOWING YOUR CLAIM THAT THE MONEY IS OUTRAGEOUS AND Misplace Priority … are you sure you do not know something there that God does not know?? You may need to fill God in on this…


DEUTERONOMY 25


1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering.
3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
5 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,
7 Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
10 And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
11 And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about.
12 And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it.
13 And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold.
14 And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.
15 The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.
16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
18 And thou shalt make two cherubim of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubim on the two ends thereof.
20 And the cherubim shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be.
21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
23 Thou shalt also make a table of shittim wood: two cubits shall be the length thereof, and a cubit the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof.
24 And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, and make thereto a crown of gold round about.
25 And thou shalt make unto it a border of an hand breadth round about, and thou shalt make a golden crown to the border thereof round about.
26 And thou shalt make for it four rings of gold, and put the rings in the four corners that are on the four feet thereof.
27 Over against the border shall the rings be for places of the staves to bear the table.
28 And thou shalt make the staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold, that the table may be borne with them.
29 And thou shalt make the dishes thereof, and spoons thereof, and covers thereof, and bowls thereof, to cover withal: of pure gold shalt thou make them.
30 And thou shalt set upon the table showbread before me always.
showbread Lev 24:5, Matt 12:4

31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.
32 And six branches shall come out of the sides of it; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side:
33 Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick.
34 And in the candlesticks shall be four bowls made like unto almonds, with their knops and their flowers.
35 And there shall be a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, and a knop under two branches of the same, according to the six branches that proceed out of the candlestick.
36 Their knops and their branches shall be of the same: all it shall be one beaten work of pure gold.
37 And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it.
seven Zech 4:2, Rev 1:12

38 And the tongs thereof, and the snuffdishes thereof, shall be of pure gold.
39 Of a talent of pure gold shall he make it, with all these vessels.
40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.