cyrexx:

i created a thread that discusses faith in religions sometimes ago

https://www.nairaland.com/972251/understanding-religious-delusion

cyrexx:

really, i dont mind your asking if you really want to know.
But that answer is long and will derail this thread.

blogger1.0:

I don't get you bro, is heaven not and eternal life not the reason why we live a good life and obey God's commandment and avoid sin in the first place?
Trust me, it has nothing to do with being a good person at all. Take for instance i could say i won't steal, kill or commit adultery just for me to be seen as a good person. And trust me while am not doing these things, I could be [s]lying to my wife or friends, lusting after women, fornicating, cheating in exams, overpricing my goods to cheat customers who don't have good bargaining power, etc.[/s] and yet be still seen as a good person and heck, i would even see myself as a good person too. Or won't you? But the truth is that the fear of God in us an the love for heaven and fear of hell we have in us would make us not to do the above bolded 'small sins'.

truthislight:

thank you for telling em,

the trinity is not even a bible derived doctrine.

The live force = the spirit
it animate a mold that comes to be a living soul. QED

or

the force = electric current
on entering a bulb or a device it comes alive or becomes a soul.

Is it that the mold from the dust like a block was the soul? No. It became a soul when it came alive or like bulb, it light.

When the force goes out = a mold.

Genesis 3;19. Adam was no where befor he was created, on dying he went no where. From dus he was taken to dust you shall return.

Or is someone telling me that Adam was existing somewhere befor he was created?

Only thing that goes out is the life force that belong to God, it simply Gods power.

Eg, When NEPA takes power does it draw back the current? Does it take the shape of the Device?

Consider God as the one that generated the power.

Soul dies Ezikiel 18;4,

Animal are soul Numbers 31;28 are you saying all the animal will also go to be with God?

Man and Animal are the same and die the same. Ezikiel 3:19

if soul is not the life that we lost when we die it will then mean that all the animal, chicken, bird, insects, etc that has life are some place, or with God.
Peace

truthislight:

well then, you have just given answer to how you will feel (never getting tierd) if u will be given eternal life were you will ever leave life at your prime.

As long you are fully usefull in this life though imperfect YOU CANT PICK A DAY TO DIE, SO, IF THE USEFULL LIFE KEEPS EXRENDING, U WILL SIMPLY ENJOY IT AS MUCH AS IT WILL LAST.
What you have just said in the bible it says that God has put eternity into the heart of men. Even an old man NEVER wants to die. It is instictive.

Using what you said, whenever u want to consider eternal live, in perfect health, 100% brain capacity. Unlimited resources will ever be pleasant . Infact, the way it is put in the bible is this:

EYES HAVE NOT SEEN, EARS HAVE NOT HEARD, NEITHER HAS IT COME TO THE HEART OF MEN WHAT GOD HAS KEPT IN STORE FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.

Should help you to know that life eternal WILL NEVER be boring
Peace

cyrexx:

bro, i think, thats why i will say to you that your wish to see the wicked punished is the inner desire of everyone which religion promises to fulfil but which it CANNOT fulfil.
for instance would you be happy to be in the same heaven with armed robber who stole millions that affected you, killed many innocent people that you know, ra.ped so many innocent girls (one of whom is Kiara, for the sake of our discussion) and commit all manner of wickedness, only to give his life to christ few seconds before his death.

Or about our dear innocent Kiara, who was raised a muslim, lived a good moral life, prayed to god to protect him but was ra.ped by an armed robber, only to die by accident the following year and find herself in hell for not accepting christ as her savoiur. the injustice against her by the armed robber was forgotten by this god and she will spend eternity in hell fire.

my friend, the harsh reality is that this world is full of injustice and religion will only console you by saying that you will be rewarded in the second non-existent life.
if you find comfort in that, pls continue following your religion, i wont discourage you.

i am an atheist, and i believe in life BEFORE death, not after death. so i do everything i can to realistically help people and make the best use of their life in this wicked world.

cheers

Ihedinobi: @blogger 1.0, Christians like you tire me o, I no lie you. You read one portion of the Bible and you run off thinking that you know something. Why don't you read 1 Cor 15:35-58 and John 20:19-21:14 as well as 1 Thess 4:13-5:11 and Rev 19-20 and come back and tell me this wonderful doctrine of an eternity of disembodied existence?

Furthermore, if you're living right and doing good all to avoid hell and gain heaven, my brother, your heart is not perfect with your God. I didn't say that you are o, I said, "if you are..."

truthislight:

thank you for telling em,

the trinity is not even a bible derived doctrine.

The live force = the spirit
it animate a mold that comes to be a living soul. QED

or

the force = electric current
on entering a bulb or a device it comes alive or becomes a soul.

Is it that the mold from the dust like a block was the soul? No. It became a soul when it came alive or like bulb, it light.

When the force goes out = a mold.

Genesis 3;19. Adam was no where befor he was created, on dying he went no where. From dus he was taken to dust you shall return.

Or is someone telling me that Adam was existing somewhere befor he was created?

Only thing that goes out is the life force that belong to God, it simply Gods power.

Eg, When NEPA takes power does it draw back the current? Does it take the shape of the Device?

Consider God as the one that generated the power.

Soul dies Ezikiel 18;4,

Animal are soul Numbers 31;28 are you saying all the animal will also go to be with God?

Man and Animal are the same and die the same. Ezikiel 3:19

if soul is not the life that we lost when we die it will then mean that all the animal, chicken, bird, insects, etc that has life are some place, or with God.
Peace

Ihedinobi: @truthislight: If you'd like to discuss the make-up of the human being and whether or not the Bible teaches that the human being is a trinity of body, soul and spirit, please open a thread and detail your position with evidence from the Bible upholding it and I will meet you there.

I suggest that you do the same with the concept of the Trinity of God in a new thread.

I do not like to hurl arguments at people and shout them down (I have a natural tendency to do so), so I'm asking you to do this so that we can examine reasonably our positions and see what the Bible says so that we can both be corrected and encouraged. I will not discuss the issues here at all, I hope you can understand.

truthislight:

well, it is not a personal thing,
However, there are thread currently running on this forum on trinity, about two of such threads
One on by Frosbel titled: we worship one true God......
Why not go through it and see what has been said and what you can add to it?

I am already following it, you can join up.

Note, it is good to go through the thread from the start as to fully get the picture as to what has been said.

Ihedinobi:

post the link here

buzugee: The world will not end but your world will end for a period of time. hence why we are called mortals.

Martian:

In all likelihood, that's what we ALL get. Your neurons will stop firing and your"soul" meaning your conciousness will cease to exist........................I'm 99.9% sure of this. The .01% is because of the possibility of one of these religions being true and their heaven being real or a "soul" actually being a real thing.

amosy007: Eternity sounds like fat ass fairy tale

musKeeto:
Get used to it. Drop superstitions. Enjoy what time you have on earth. Make a few people happy..

cyrexx:

i feel you, bro. the concept of eternity is not well thought out in religions, it has some absurdities and illogicalities.
for instance, how will you enjoy eternity in paradise when you know that some of your non-chrstian family members are roasting alive somewhere else.
you will be forced to worship this loving god who in his omniscience knows that some of your non-christian family members will reject him and be roasted alive forever.

i will prefer to cease to exist than to live in that heaven.
thank goodness, i just remebered that i'm not immortal and i will actually cease to exist one day one day, therefore that heaven/hell crap is irrelevant and not worth disturbing one's brain with.

to me, thats the good news that must be shared to everyone

deprince0:

Now the question is where will u be after life here on earth.
...
...heaven and hell is real.

cyrexx:

Mr Truthislight,
fortunately this is where i fully agree with you, although i disagree with some other things you say.
Christians dont know how shallow they sound when they say that they are good because of fear of eternal punishment in hell. So if there is no hell, they will not be moral.
How shallow.
I dont believe in hell and still i do good because its the good thing to do, not because i want reward or fear punishment.
Like i said, if i ever return to christianity it will NEVER be because i fear hell, but because i see a convincing evidence that Yahweh is more than a Jewish conceptions of deity (like Arabian conception of deity in the form of Allah), that Yahweh is really existent and answers prayers like the scriptures says about him. Otherwise, i'm done with religion FOREVER AND EVER.
But like you said, its a talk for another day, lets not derail this thread.
Peace.