Omolola1: Right now am confused!

I attended their congregation twice, and they preach a totally different doctrine but makes sense.

They believe there is no hell, that Jehovah is a loving God who would never torment his children, but punish them 4 their sins, which is death! The wages of sin is death as the bible say.
In one of their meetings, the preacher used Lazarus as an example, when Jesus brought him back to life, he never gave any description about heaven or hell! (this makes sense)
they seem to av tangible points which leaves me confused!

I attend redeem. Personally, i believe in personal relatnshp with God, reading the bible and understanding it, loving one's neigbour and obeyng God's commandment ar the keys to eternal life.

Really want to know your thoughts on this.

OLAADEGBU:

Ask them pertinent questions. Do they receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour? Who is Jesus Christ to them? Answers to these questions and more will help you to discover whether they are cults or true Christians.

Omolola1: Right now am confused!

I attended their congregation twice, and they preach a totally different doctrine but makes sense.

They believe there is no hell, that Jehovah is a loving God who would never torment his children, but punish them 4 their sins, which is death! The wages of sin is death as the bible say.
In one of their meetings, the preacher used Lazarus as an example, when Jesus brought him back to life, he never gave any description about heaven or hell! (this makes sense)
they seem to av tangible points which leaves me confused!

I attend redeem. Personally, i believe in personal relatnshp with God, reading the bible and understanding it, loving one's neigbour and obeyng God's commandment ar the keys to eternal life.

Really want to know your thoughts on this.

ijawkid:

Ofcus witnesses accept Jesus as there LORD and saviour......

When did they ever tell u they didn't??

Make u no dey spread rumour o.......

If they don't accept Jesus as there Lord $ personal saviour why on earth will they imitate the same Jesus and obey his words to preach until the kingdom comes??

U think say to accept Jesus as Lord $ personal saviour na for mouth??

OLAADEGBU:

Consider these verses of Scripture:

"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11).

"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me" (Hosea 13:4).

Would Jesus still be your Lord and personal saviour according to the highlighted words above?

ijawkid:

What is Lord or who is a Lord??

Witnesses as I know recognize Jesus as there LORD.....don't get it twisted.....don't spread rumours.....

From all our discussions u shulda realized that..

1 corinthians 11:3 explains that....

Incase u've forgotten....

Jesus is Lord over man and d church.....

Get that??

It is u who will have a problem with agreeing with the fact that Jesus has a Lord and God over him.....

ijawkid:

What is Lord or who is a Lord??

Witnesses as I know recognize Jesus as there LORD.....don't get it twisted.....don't spread rumours.....

From all our discussions u shulda realized that..

1 corinthians 11:3 explains that....

Incase u've forgotten....

Jesus is Lord over man and d church.....

Get that??

It is u who will have a problem with agreeing with the fact that Jesus has a Lord and God over him.....

Omolola1: Right now am confused!

I attended their congregation twice, and they preach a totally different doctrine but makes sense.

They believe there is no hell, that Jehovah is a loving God who would never torment his children, but punish them 4 their sins, which is death! The wages of sin is death as the bible say.
In one of their meetings, the preacher used Lazarus as an example, when Jesus brought him back to life, he never gave any description about heaven or hell! (this makes sense)
they seem to av tangible points which leaves me confused!

I attend redeem. Personally, i believe in personal relatnshp with God, reading the bible and understanding it, loving one's neigbour and obeyng God's commandment ar the keys to eternal life.

Really want to know your thoughts on this.

Omolola1: Right now am confused!

I attended their congregation twice, and they preach a totally different doctrine but makes sense.

They believe there is no hell, that Jehovah is a loving God who would never torment his children, but punish them 4 their sins, which is death! The wages of sin is death as the bible say.
In one of their meetings, the preacher used Lazarus as an example, when Jesus brought him back to life, he never gave any description about heaven or hell! (this makes sense)
they seem to av tangible points which leaves me confused!

I attend redeem. Personally, i believe in personal relatnshp with God, reading the bible and understanding it, loving one's neigbour and obeyng God's commandment ar the keys to eternal life.

Really want to know your thoughts on this.

ijawkid:

Witnesses teach d truth about HELL and how d bible views it....

They are correct.....

I espouse there stance on there repudiating d false pagan hell fire dogma.......

And ofcus the logical question u heard is infact sometin to deliberate on....

When lazaruz was ressurected did he give any news or story of hellfire or heaven.??

Good question....

Unlike d many fraudulent stories we hear of persons who claim to had visited hellfire after going thru some trance.....

I'm not going to decide for u where to go or worship....

Most important thing is read ur bible.....the bible explains itself.....

Ubenedictus: i will like to comment on the lazarus point, lazurus didnt have a story of heaven or hell because lazarus didnt go to heaven or hell, lazarus was a shoel, a place where d dead slept before the coming of christ. It is like a subconcious place, those in shoel were freed after the death of christ and the scriptures bear witness.

truthislight:
i thought you dont believe in the scriptures (bible) as the word of God?
or do you fall back to it only when it suite you?

Cant you tradition help you out?

So when human die they dont go to heaven again as you people say, ok i see, lazarus case is making you to think and it is the bible that can help you make sense.

Catholics with traditions!

Jerry2i: Jesus has no lord n god ova him,4 he said dat 'I n My Father r 1'

plappville:

if this mean One person then why the i and my Father ? simple reasoning is needed dear!

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Through the Help of the Holy Spirit, Chritians are one In Christ. Christ and His Father are one in decision and works. when God decides, Christ carries it out.

Two person cannot be ONE.


Jesus have a God over Him.

Stop clinging to me; for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren (disciples), and say to them, 'I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.' (John 20: 17).

The God of Jesus is our God according to the bible.

Ubenedictus: i will like to comment on the lazarus point, lazurus didnt have a story of heaven or hell because lazarus didnt go to heaven or hell, lazarus was a shoel, a place where d dead slept before the coming of christ. It is like a subconcious place, those in shoel were freed after the death of christ and the scriptures bear witness.

Ubenedictus: this agruement is a strawman, a logical falacy called arguement from silience. Unless you can show that the scripture say 'lazarus had no story' then you are making an illogical arguement and the burden of proof rest on u to show that lazarus had no story. And even if lazarus didnt have a story it wouldnt even have an effect in this arguement.
Peace

plappville: No church seem to be practicing the perfect doctrine of Christ.

ijawkid:

Now the point of the witnesses is that until ressurection occurs,nobodys soul roves about to heaven or a burning furnace.....

Even Jesus had to spend 3days in hell(sheol) b4 he was ressurected.....his soul as being taught by many today didn't run out to some place....he experienced ressurection........

That is what the bible teaches........

The bible teaches ressurection not immortality of the soul....

Jesus says in the end many will hear his voice and rise up......why not wait till that time rather than teach that mans soul is immortal.....that's why the questions surrouding lazarus's death and ressurection arises......

You see the point??

italo:

What does this mean? Does it mean that all "churches" are practising imperfect doctrine of Christ?

But Christ has no imperfect doctrine. Christ's doctrine is perfect. So if you are not following the perfect doctrine of Christ, then you are following the doctrine of man or of the devil.

So who is following Christ's perfect doctrine in this world, Plappville?

Please tell me.

OLAADEGBU:

I hear you that you say that you accept Jesus as Lord or a Lord just as you have changed the fact that the Word was a god instead of God. Now tell me, is Jesus Christ your saviour according to these verses?

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11).

"Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me" (Hosea 13:4).

Pygru:
Ijawkid, answer this question na

ijawkid:

I have answered this question succintly and clearly on one of OLAs thread.......

It sEems you had not created this your camouflage I'd back then.........

I don't have to repeat myself.........

Or do you care for the answers too??.....

.......

Pygru:
No lie ooh
all liars = hell fire

Ubenedictus: some funny stuff happened wen christ died, d so called dead rose with their bodies matt27vs 52. So wu is saying no one has risen b4 d general resurrection??