Delafruita:
its not strange.its an argument that has been put forward often and it does make sense when you study genesis especially the part about "male and female created he them"

Thanks alot. Goshen peddles archaic church doctrines on this forum. Goshen does not understand the bible. he regurgitates what he has been taught by pastor tithes and reverend offering.

Delafruita:
its not strange.its an argument that has been put forward often and it does make sense when you study genesis especially the part about "male and female created he them"

"Male and female created he them" .....do you want the bible to say "male and female created he him? Male and female is simply refering to Adam and Eve. You people kind of misunderstand Gen. chapter one and two, I guess you are assuming two creation accounts?

Goshen360:

"Male and female created he them" .....do you want the bible to say "male and female created he him? Male and female is simply refering to Adam and Eve. You people kind of misunderstand Gen. chapter one and two, I guess you are assuming two creation accounts?

at that point in time eve had not been created. yet he used 'them'. thats why i said study those 2 chapters with an open mind.

obadiah777: Thanks alot. Goshen peddles archaic church doctrines on this forum. Goshen does not understand the bible. he regurgitates what he has been taught by pastor tithes and reverend offering.

@ you in tongues.

Dont worry....I will soon open another thread for you soon to discuss this. Wait for me, I dey come.

Goshen360:

@ you in tongues.

Dont worry....I will soon open another thread for you soon to discuss this. Wait for me, I dey come.

i dey run ooooooo make you no open fowl yansh

obadiah777: i dey run ooooooo make you no open fowl yansh

Not at all, I no go open your "fowl" yansh.....we will only discuss the issue. You are mistaken Genesis 1 and 2. Let's open another thread to discuss it and not to derail this thread. We have already dealt with the issue of how Cain got his wife. So the OP should search this forum and get the answers. I will soon open thread for us to discuss it, let me finish what am doing. I will be brb.

let me explain the sequence
1- God creates a nation of people called Adam ( THERE IS DICHOTOMY IN THE NAME ADAM BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THE LORD WORKS. HE DOES NOT WORK THROUGH EVERYONE. THE LORD SPECIALIZES IN 'INCLUSIVITY VIA EXCLUSIVITY' what that means is that he works through one to get to the rest. so out of the group of adamites created there is one of them created in his image, meaning with the knowledge of the word and laws and statutes and commandments. the rest are created as heathens and will be spiritually civilized by the one made in Gods image with the word in him. so ADAM is a dichotomy of the one with the word and the rest who dont have the word. and these are people of both sexes

2-and then Adam the one with the word finds none of the other heathen women already formed, suitable for him, so the lord created a woman out of his rib ( this is symbolism for he created a woman that is like him. meaning she has the word in her. she has the lords laws and statutes and commandments in her ) this is Eve.

genesis 2 vs 20 but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him meaning out of all the women already formed, none was suitable for him

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Okay am not gonna take this any more. Am opening another thread for us to discuss this.

CrazyMan:
Take your time to read Genesis 13 properly...Abraham and Lot weren't in the the same city. So Lot still remains the only survivour of the fire that ravished sodom and gomorrah.


Here is it...take you time to read it and you would agree with me.

Genesis 5:4
[b]4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Although the bible didn't tell us where cain's wife originated from, but its is obvious that he married his sister.

Remember that Lot slept with his daughters...
Genesis 19:31-36
One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father."

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I slept with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.[/b]

Even though lot was drunk, truth is that he slept with his daughters, and that single act enabled the world regained its population after the fire of sodom and gomorrah.

Also in Genesis 29:10-12

 When Jacob saw Rachel daughter of his uncle Laban, and Laban's sheep, he went over and rolled the stone away from the mouth of the well and watered his uncle's sheep. 11 Then Jacob kissed Rachel and began to weep aloud. 12 He had told Rachel that he was a relative of her father and a son of Rebekah. So she ran and told her father.

We can also see in this passage that Jacob also married his cousin, who also is a blood relation.


Now back to the issue of cain...the bible told us in Genesis 5:3-4

When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters

Now since the bible didn't actually specify who cain's wife was as I stated earlier, it gave us reasonable facts that she was indeed Adam's daughter.

Adam was 130 years old when he gave birth to Seth. And had other daughters...now Adam lived for a total of 930 years before departing this world.

Now its very possible that during that space of time...cain possibly took one of his sisters and married her. Why that verse looks confusing is that in verse 16-17 of Genesis 4

So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.

It told us of how cain got married and but didn't emphasize on the identity of his wife.

But its very obvious that he didn't leave God's presence alone...pointing out one possible fact that he took his sister along with him, and ended up marrying her.

I posted it before and I'm re-posting it for a second time so please take your time to read it properly this time.

But you said Lot was the only man in the world and he had to have incest with his daughters to re-populate the world...With who did cain reside in the land of NOD? Can one man build a city?

[size=15pt]@ OP,[/size]

Go through this thread, Here and you have the answers to your questions, it was intensively discussed there. And again, next time, kindly search this forum to see if your topic had been intensively discussed before starting the thread. Thank you.

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Agiliti:

hmm, kind of makes sense now. i guess genesis is an allegory like platos republic
still dont understand why people take it too too literally

Folks have been indoctrinated by roman catholic church doctrine. same way folks actually think a real talking snake was speaking to Eve. see the understanding of the scriptures were closed till the last days. now we are starting to understand the allegorys. this proves we are in the last days. daniel 12 vs 4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

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Agiliti:

i dont know all about last days sha, but i definitely know we're slowly reaching a different level of consciousness.
maybe going by the allegorical theme,"last days" might mean end of the current level of ignorance. since people fear what they cant understand, thus fail to adapt. probably why the bible says "fear not" a lot.

you are right. 'last days' is just a common phrase used. the world is actually not ending. however by last days the bible is talking about a change in the regime on earth. as you rightly said ' a new and different level of consciousness'. its important to know that this earth is here to stay forever ECCLESIASTES 1 VS 4

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