Ptolomeus:

Not for me to answer him, but the bible ...

Exegesis: Matthew verses 16-19
16 But to whom shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
17 And they say: 'We played the flute, and you did not dance; we wailed, and you did not mourn.
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19 The Son of man (Jesus), eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

"The Lord Jesus drank wine" Luke 7:34

I think there is room for doubt: Jesus drank wine (and I did too much) and also was a glutton.

Then your problem is with the grammar, that they called him a glutton does not mean that he was.

The gospels are littered with false accusations against Christ , 100% were proven to be false and of course spread by the father of Lies.

"For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds." - Hebrews 12:3

ijawkid:

Lol.....

""They say"".........

Who were d persons saying Jesus was a glutton??

Hypocrites and haters and also critics of that time were the ones who falsely accused Jesus......

They were hypocrites who could see how holy and Good Jesus was but would still be arrogant to acknowledge it....

well:
It is difficult to answer when the moderator has deleteado all my posts ...
You say that those who called Jesus "glutton and drunkard" were fakes?
Then Matthew and John were hypocrites. (Not me, but you)
My respects.

frosbel:

Then your problem is with the grammar, that they called him a glutton does not mean that he was.

The gospels are littered with false accusations against Christ , 100% were proven to be false and of course spread by the father of Lies.

"For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds." - Hebrews 12:3

Fr0sbel ...
My friend Fr0sbel ...
There is a translation issue, or metaphors, or interpretation.
Read Matthew and John ... there is nothing strange in translation there, no metaphor.
To read the Bible is anything else you need to have the book in front of you ...
Why some want to make Jesus an abnormal individual! someone who never drank, never someone who ate too much .. someone who never had sex?
That or believe yourself ...
Defend a human and real Jesus, and not a bag of lies.
My respects.

Some biblical terms for wine

Old Testament
1. Yayin – This is the general term for wine which is used 141 times. The etymology is uncertain because it is not from a Hebrew root. It always means fermented fruit juice, usually grape. Some typical passages are (Gen. 9:21; Exod. 29:40; Num. 15:5-10).
2. Tirosh – This is "new wine". Because of climatic conditions of the Near East, fermentation started as soon as six hours after extracting the juice. This term refers to wine in the process of fermenting. For some typical passages see (Deut. 12:17; 18:4; Isa. 62:8-9; Hos. 4:11).
3. Asis – This is obviously alcoholic beverages (“sweet wine”, e.g., Joel 1:5; Isa. 49:26).
4. Sekar – This is the term "strong drink". The Hebrew root is used in the term "drunk" or "drunkard." It had something added to it to make it more intoxicating. It is parallel to yayin (Pro. 20:1; 31:6; Isa. 28:7).

New Testament
1. Oinos – the Greek equivalent of yayin.
2. Neos oinos (new wine) – the Greek equivalent of tirosh (Mark 2:22).
3. Gleuchos vinos (sweet wine, asis) – wine in the early stages of fermentation (Acts 2:13).

http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html

TheShopKeeper: Some biblical terms for wine

Old Testament
1. Yayin – This is the general term for wine which is used 141 times. The etymology is uncertain because it is not from a Hebrew root. It always means fermented fruit juice, usually grape. Some typical passages are (Gen. 9:21; Exod. 29:40; Num. 15:5-10).
2. Tirosh – This is "new wine". Because of climatic conditions of the Near East, fermentation started as soon as six hours after extracting the juice. This term refers to wine in the process of fermenting. For some typical passages see (Deut. 12:17; 18:4; Isa. 62:8-9; Hos. 4:11).
3. Asis – This is obviously alcoholic beverages (“sweet wine”, e.g., Joel 1:5; Isa. 49:26).
4. Sekar – This is the term "strong drink". The Hebrew root is used in the term "drunk" or "drunkard." It had something added to it to make it more intoxicating. It is parallel to yayin (Pro. 20:1; 31:6; Isa. 28:7).

New Testament
1. Oinos – the Greek equivalent of yayin.
2. Neos oinos (new wine) – the Greek equivalent of tirosh (Mark 2:22).
3. Gleuchos vinos (sweet wine, asis) – wine in the early stages of fermentation (Acts 2:13).

http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html

Dear friend:
Wine is not nothing but wine.
It is a fermented, producing alcohol from carbohydrates, by chemical processes.
No wine without alcohol. If no alcohol, not just wine.
Wine is wine, period.
You are trying to find a needle in a haystack ...
It's funny.

If you decide that social drinking is OK for you, do not flaunt it before other believers who believe it to be a sin. If you decide to abstain from drinking for the sake of the kingdom, do not condemn other believers who see no problem with social drinking. Read all of Romans chapter 14 for detailed instructions on this issue - but here is the key passage:

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. (Romans 14:13-18, NIV)

Clearly, drunkenness is a sin and Jesus was without sin (2 Corinthians 5:21, NIV) - so Jesus never became drunk on alcoholic beverages. And Proverbs 23:20 warns that we are not to join others in the act of getting drunk. Nevertheless, Jesus did socialize with drunkards and sinners (Matthew 11:19). But look at this issue very carefully: Jesus socialized with them in order to build relationships, share the truth of God's word and the good news of eternal life through Him, the Son of God (John 3:16; 14:6).

Did Jesus Himself drink alcoholic beverages? Scripture does not say specifically but we may infer that He did. He shared the cup in the Passover celebrations with His disciples (Mark 14:23-25). Water mixed with a little wine (2 to 3 parts water to 1 part wine) was the common table drink of the 1st century. This had the effect of stretching out the amount of beverage and also purifying common bacteria and germs from the water.

But the real issue is whether you choose to drink alcoholic beverages or not. If you believe it is allowed (based on the interpretation of God's word above), then you have a choice to drink or not. If you still believe it is sinful, then you should not drink. The Bible makes it clear that "But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat [or drink, by implication], because their eating [or drinking] is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin" (Romans 14:23, NIV, with additional clarification added).

http://wordtruth.com/biblestudies/questionlog/question63.htm

Can anyone show me ONE , just ONE verse in the bible where it mentions that drinking wine without getting drunk is a sin.

frosbel: If you decide that social drinking is OK for you, do not flaunt it before other believers who believe it to be a sin. If you decide to abstain from drinking for the sake of the kingdom, do not condemn other believers who see no problem with social drinking. Read all of Romans chapter 14 for detailed instructions on this issue - but here is the key passage:

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. (Romans 14:13-18, NIV)

Frosbel ...
You are very nervous ... altered. Should be more careful, many ladies read these posts and should be educated.
I've just quoted Matthew (and Luke) ... which states that Jesus was a gloón and great wine drinker ... (plus his fame to frequent prostitutes). The Bible says, not me.
If you quote Matthew, read everything, completely Matthew ...
Fros, lying is a sin!
My respects.

Some people seem to have found support for taking alcohol from the scripture. The instruction of Paul to Timothy not to “drink only water but a little wine for his stomach’s sake” is seen as permission for the consumption of alcohol. Others quote Jesus as turning water into wine because he wanted people to drink alcohol.19
Any time wine is mentioned in the scripture, it is in connection with evil things. Noah was the first to drink wine and was so impossessed that he lay naked. His drunkenness became the occasion for Canaan’s anathema because his grandfather laughed at Noah (Gen. 9:20-29). The Ammonites and Moabites were descendents of Lot through his daughters. They gave him wine to stupefy him before they gained access to his privacy (Gen. 19:31-38). David used wine to make Uriah have sex with his wife during war, which was against God’s rule for all holy wars (II Sam. 11:10-22). Absalom was under the influence of alcohol when he destroyed his brother Amon (II Sam. 13:20-23).
The Hebrew word yayin is translated wine. This is what comes from grapes and is usually stored in wine skins to ferment to make it strong. Once fermented, it usually caused drunkenness because of its alcoholic content.
Hemer is another Hebrew word, which literally means foaming. This was also a fermented juice, which the Nazarites were forbidden from drinking.
The third word is tirosh which means grape juice. King James translates it as “new wine” or “sweet wine” which referred to wine that had not yet matured or fermented enough to intoxicate.
Shekhar is translated as strong drink, (Isaiah 5:11). This could be an equivalent of whiskey today. It was an intoxicating drink that was made from grape juice. The Old Testament words that refer to wine are mesek, mimsak and mezeg. All these refers to spiced wine, wine mixed with something else.
In the New Testament, two different words were used for wine. The first word is gleukos, which literally means “sweet”, from which word we get out glucose, the sugar that gives instant energy. But it is found only once in Acts 2:13 where the disciples were referred to as “those filled with new wine”, because they were acting as if they were drunk. Gleukos could therefore be a fermented wine.
But the popular word for wine in the New Testament is oinos. Oinos was the word Jesus used when he said it is not possible to put a new wine in an old wine skin.
In spite of the many references to wine in the Bible, the scripture warned against the consumption of alcohol in many places. The Bible points out that “wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging, and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise” (Proverbs 20:1). Isaiah 5:11 says “Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink, that they continue until night till wine inflame them”. Isaiah continues “Woe to them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink (5:22)”.
The scripture also warns that, “Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink that puttest the bottle to him, and make of him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their unclothedness. For the violence of Lebanon shall cover thee, and the violence of beast… (Hab. 2:15-17)”.
Probably we need to illustrate the sad incidence that befell a family that sold alcohol to others. He literally “puts bottle of whiskey” in peoples’ hands. That is the Kennedy family. Despite their untold riches, fame power and popularity, the Kennedy family in the United States suffered a jarring succession of tragedies. Joe Junior was killed in an air crash in World War II, one daughter was born with serious mental problems. There was the horror of assassins’ bullets that cut down Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Then the tragedy of the Chappaquiddick incidence with Ted Kennedy and the untimely death of David Kennedy from drug overdose.20 Lets look at the Kennedy background.
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt told Joseph Kennedy Sr. that the prohibition on the legal production and sales of alcohol would soon come to an end. Once again, the United States government would permit the marketing of alcohol. Joseph Kennedy Sr. bought the Haig and Haig Scotch Whiskey Company in England. By the end of the prohibition he had stored up alcohol in warehouses in the cities of United States. He had received permission to store it under the guise of medicinal purposes.21
For sometime, a good portion of Whiskey sold in the United States came from Joseph Kennedy. That was how the millions of dollar that helped later to finance the political aspiration of Jack Kennedy for the presidency was amassed. So Whiskey money bought the presidency for John Kennedy. He came about this money by multiplied millions of homes inflamed with violence, heartache, dissipation, pain and death. The family wealth was started on the road to ruins for others.23
The word of God said, “Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest the bottle to him”. He said in the last portion of those verses that “violence shall cover thee” (Hab. 2:17). Didn’t this prove true with what happened to America’s most famous family?
Nevertheless, this applied not only to the Kennedy’s family but also to the bars serving bear today, to the grocery store owners selling it, the liquor stores distributing it and the breweries manufacturing them. All are under the curse of God. That is why Nigeria is fast catching up with the United States as the most violent nation in the world.
Statistics show that as far back as 1985, Americans were cutting down in their rate of alcohol intake because of the rise in the death toll and violent criminal activities that were snatching away young men before they reached the age they could decide what to do with their lives.24 Americans found that those who suffered the crime of violence were drop outs of school and employment because of excessive drinking of alcohol. It was the spirit and wine wholesalers that had to lead the campaign toward responsible drinking.

Thanks for your long essay.

I have 2 questions :

1. Where does it say in the bible that taking wine is a sin ?

2. Is over eating a sin ?

swiftsulex: Some people seem to have found support for taking alcohol from the scripture. The instruction of Paul to Timothy not to “drink only water but a little wine for his stomach’s sake” is seen as permission for the consumption of alcohol. Others quote Jesus as turning water into wine because he wanted people to drink alcohol.19
Any time wine is mentioned in the scripture, it is in connection with evil things. Noah was the first to drink wine and was so impossessed that he lay naked. His drunkenness became the occasion for Canaan’s anathema because his grandfather laughed at Noah (Gen. 9:20-29). The Ammonites and Moabites were descendents of Lot through his daughters. They gave him wine to stupefy him before they gained access to his privacy (Gen. 19:31-38). David used wine to make Uriah have sex with his wife during war, which was against God’s rule for all holy wars (II Sam. 11:10-22). Absalom was under the influence of alcohol when he destroyed his brother Amon (II Sam. 13:20-23).
The Hebrew word yayin is translated wine. This is what comes from grapes and is usually stored in wine skins to ferment to make it strong. Once fermented, it usually caused drunkenness because of its alcoholic content.
Hemer is another Hebrew word, which literally means foaming. This was also a fermented juice, which the Nazarites were forbidden from drinking.
The third word is tirosh which means grape juice. King James translates it as “new wine” or “sweet wine” which referred to wine that had not yet matured or fermented enough to intoxicate.
Shekhar is translated as strong drink, (Isaiah 5:11). This could be an equivalent of whiskey today. It was an intoxicating drink that was made from grape juice. The Old Testament words that refer to wine are mesek, mimsak and mezeg. All these refers to spiced wine, wine mixed with something else.
In the New Testament, two different words were used for wine. The first word is gleukos, which literally means “sweet”, from which word we get out glucose, the sugar that gives instant energy. But it is found only once in Acts 2:13 where the disciples were referred to as “those filled with new wine”, because they were acting as if they were drunk. Gleukos could therefore be a fermented wine.
But the popular word for wine in the New Testament is oinos. Oinos was the word Jesus used when he said it is not possible to put a new wine in an old wine skin.
In spite of the many references to wine in the Bible, the scripture warned against the consumption of alcohol in many places. The Bible points out that “wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging, and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise” (Proverbs 20:1). Isaiah 5:11 says “Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink, that they continue until night till wine inflame them”. Isaiah continues “Woe to them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink (5:22)”.
The scripture also warns that, “Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink that puttest the bottle to him, and make of him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their unclothedness. For the violence of Lebanon shall cover thee, and the violence of beast… (Hab. 2:15-17)”.
Probably we need to illustrate the sad incidence that befell a family that sold alcohol to others. He literally “puts bottle of whiskey” in peoples’ hands. That is the Kennedy family. Despite their untold riches, fame power and popularity, the Kennedy family in the United States suffered a jarring succession of tragedies. Joe Junior was killed in an air crash in World War II, one daughter was born with serious mental problems. There was the horror of assassins’ bullets that cut down Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Then the tragedy of the Chappaquiddick incidence with Ted Kennedy and the untimely death of David Kennedy from drug overdose.20 Lets look at the Kennedy background.
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt told Joseph Kennedy Sr. that the prohibition on the legal production and sales of alcohol would soon come to an end. Once again, the United States government would permit the marketing of alcohol. Joseph Kennedy Sr. bought the Haig and Haig Scotch Whiskey Company in England. By the end of the prohibition he had stored up alcohol in warehouses in the cities of United States. He had received permission to store it under the guise of medicinal purposes.21
For sometime, a good portion of Whiskey sold in the United States came from Joseph Kennedy. That was how the millions of dollar that helped later to finance the political aspiration of Jack Kennedy for the presidency was amassed. So Whiskey money bought the presidency for John Kennedy. He came about this money by multiplied millions of homes inflamed with violence, heartache, dissipation, pain and death. The family wealth was started on the road to ruins for others.23
The word of God said, “Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest the bottle to him”. He said in the last portion of those verses that “violence shall cover thee” (Hab. 2:17). Didn’t this prove true with what happened to America’s most famous family?
Nevertheless, this applied not only to the Kennedy’s family but also to the bars serving bear today, to the grocery store owners selling it, the liquor stores distributing it and the breweries manufacturing them. All are under the curse of God. That is why Nigeria is fast catching up with the United States as the most violent nation in the world.
Statistics show that as far back as 1985, Americans were cutting down in their rate of alcohol intake because of the rise in the death toll and violent criminal activities that were snatching away young men before they reached the age they could decide what to do with their lives.24 Americans found that those who suffered the crime of violence were drop outs of school and employment because of excessive drinking of alcohol. It was the spirit and wine wholesalers that had to lead the campaign toward responsible drinking.

SO MUCH RUBBISH. YOU MUST BE DRUNK TO HAVE WRITTEN THIS RUBBISH OMUTI OSHI . YOU DO KNOW IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING TO RECOMPENSE THOSE THAT TROUBLE YOU ? 2 CORINTHIANS 1 VS 6. LOL. I GOT YOU BACK

obadiah777: SO MUCH RUBBISH. YOU MUST BE DRUNK TO HAVE WRITTEN THIS RUBBISH OMUTI OSHI . YOU DO KNOW IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING TO RECOMPENSE THOSE THAT TROUBLE YOU ? 2 CORINTHIANS 1 VS 6. LOL. I GOT YOU BACK

^^^^
lol
i never thought i will be laughing this much.

Hahaha.

Its seems as though he is laughing at other people misfortune.

Pls, tell him to answer the question.

Is drinking of strong drink a sin?

Obadiah 777,wht has 2 Cor 1:6 got to do with our discussion.

truthislight:
^^^^
lol
i never thought i will be laughing this much.

Hahaha.

Its seems as though he is laughing at other people misfortune.

Pls, tell him to answer the question.

Is drinking of strong drink a sin?

I doubt he can answer that. he is on strong drink as we speak and as such he is illegible

swiftsulex: Obadiah 777,wht has 2 Cor 1:6 got to do with our discussion.

t-it for tat. on a side note though, you have absolutely bastardized scripture. all the verses you quoted, you have explained them all wrongly. you have miss-translated at least 5 verses to try to prove your point.

obadiah777: t-it for tat. on a side note though, you have absolutely bastardized scripture. all the verses you quoted, you have explained them all wrongly. you have miss-translated at least 5 verses to try to prove your point.

u re very funny

But christians,
Leviticus 10:19 says "Do not drink wine nor strong drink . . . .",
How come you all support it,even if its moderately?

Abd'Hafeez:
But christians,
Leviticus 10:19 says "Do not drink wine nor strong drink . . . .",
How come you all support it,even if its moderately?

Firstly, This was in reference to the priests and not the entire congregation.

"Then the Lord said to Aaron, 9 “You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the tent of meeting, or you will die." - Leviticus 10 :9

Secondly it was ONLY when 'whenever you go into the tent of meeting' and not a general rule for their entire lives.

(Deu 14:26) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,


Now this will set the cat among the pigeons.

aletheia: (Deu 14:26) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,


Now this will set the cat among the pigeons.

And it is actually tithe money (which is coveted so much by pastors that preach against consumption of alcohol) that the above scripture is saying we can use to consume alcohol. It just exposes these tithe mongers to be real hypocrites and rogues.

Nigeria’s 160 million people are now the world’s second biggest consumer of Guinness, after Britain, and analysts expect it to take the number one slot within a couple of years.

Yet some people claim the average Nigerian ''lives on less than $2 a day''. Some even claim it's ''less than $1 a day''.

Just goes to confirm the saying ''There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.''

PAGAN 9JA:


yes jesus ate greedily. even before he was about to die, he was thinking of food:

very funny, since when did it become a sin to talk about food, and tell me where d bible say 'he ate greedily"?

hhhh

Ptolomeus: The Bible says that Jesus ate greedily: sipping wine and frequented pr0stitutes.
Why would it be sin to drink?

God punish yu 4 blasphamy!if na muha dey insult now,yu go craze turn 2 terrorist,olori buruku!

aletheia: (Deu 14:26) And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,


Now this will set the cat among the pigeons.

give me a hand shake!

Goshen! Where are you?

Stop saying what the bible did not say.

Like when you said alcoholic drink is a "sin"

Whats d conclusion of the matter please. The arguments have been made.whts d verdict. Is alcohol consumption a sin?yes or no

swiftsulex: Whats d conclusion of the matter please. The arguments have been made.whts d verdict. Is alcohol consumption a sin?yes or no

read that Deut 14:26 for yourself so that when someone start lying to you, then you can tell.

I belive that Vers is very clear on this matter.