1supremo:

... and you should realise that an absolute rejection of The Absolute is a self-defeating argument.

Evil Brain:
All atheists are saying is that there is no credible evidence that god or gods exist and there is no convincing philosophical argument that they exist. If some evidence were to appear,then most of us would just accept that we were wrong and reevaluate our theories based on the new information.

1supremo:

If this is ATHEISM, then I wonder what AGNOSTICISM posits.

Ihedinobi:

Did you say the following, dude?



The evidence is right here on the thread, so I don't think that you'll deny saying it.

Consider the bolded words. They're the same and they apply to things that share the same characteristic: they both offer an explanation for existence. You say that you choose science over faith (whatever that means). We could loosely translate that to mean that you swear by science. It doesn't need to be put that way, but I think you get my meaning.

Also, you have conferred infallibility and immutability on science (the red statement in your comment, particularly the words, "true" and "valid". These two qualities belong exclusively to that which is God.

By the two foregoing paragraphs, it is perfectly right to say that Science is your God.

cyrexx:


is it that you are gradually losing your comprehensive abilities or you really want to dishonestly put those words in my my mouth?

i rely on scientific facts over religious faith means i worship science as god?

so when you trust weather reports and stock market reports that means meteorology and stock exchange is your god? dude, you really want to label me an idolater and condemn me and you will dishonestly go any length to do that for your god.

you claimed or implied that i said science is infallible. you lied again. science is not infallible, it evolves and accomodates advances in knowledge unlike religious faith.

i cant help but laugh when you you said the words such as "true", "valid" "infallible" "immutable" belongs to your god who is nothing but one of the thousands of gods humans have invented to explain what they dont know. i wont even dignify this deliberate and dishonest ignorance with an answer

you also implied that i trust science such that i can swear by it. what is it with you and trying to link everything to god and religion. why would i need to swear by science? it is when you are not trustworthy that you will need to swear by anything. i dont do that.

Ihedinobi:

Gee, antsy, aren't we? Dude, nobody, at least not me, is condemning you.

wiegraf:

Actually I've been humoring you for a bit now.
BECAUSE THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT. AND ALL LOGIC/THEORIES PUT FORTH SUPPORTING IT ARE AT NURSERY SCHOOL LEVEL

Do you understand now?

wiegraf:
LIAR. YOU ARE NOW FULL TROLLIN' SER!!

Edit: WHERE ARE THE PITCHFORKS


Ah $hit, too soo...

Ihedinobi:

Ok, you are dead sure that there are no deities because there is no evidence for them, but you're not sure about a first cause () and so are of the opinion that they might exist. Then you posit that if there's a first cause, it's most certainly just natural laws.

Ok, define "first cause".

wiegraf:

For the most part I'd say your trying to pass off first cause as god, rather brazenly, is what irks me the most. It's a bit of a god of the gaps situation, plus some

1supremo:

... and you should realise that an absolute rejection of The Absolute is a self-defeating argument.

Ihedinobi:

I'm gonna copy every definition of the word, god, that I can find and paste it here so that we can quit running around and face issues, mm. I'll do it later though.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god:
god
noun \ˈgäd also ˈgȯd\
Definition of GOD
1
capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
4
: a powerful ruler

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god:
God
   /gɒd/ Show Spelled[god] Show IPA
noun
1.
the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2.
the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3.
( lowercase ) one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
4.
( often lowercase ) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5.
Christian Science . the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
EXPAND
6.
( lowercase ) an image of a deity; an idol.
7.
( lowercase ) any deified person or object.
8.
( often lowercase ) Gods, Theater .
a.
the upper balcony in a theater.
b.
the spectators in this part of the balcony.

World English Dictionary
god (ɡɒd)

— n
1. a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some forceRelated: divine
2. an image, idol, or symbolic representation of such a deity
3. any person or thing to which excessive attention is given: money was his god
4. a man who has qualities regarded as making him superior to other men
5. ( in plural ) the gallery of a theatre

Related: divine

[Old English god; related to Old Norse goth, Old High German got, Old Irish guth voice]

God (ɡɒd)

— n
1. theol the sole Supreme Being, eternal, spiritual, and transcendent, who is the Creator and ruler of all and is infinite in all attributes; the object of worship in monotheistic religions
2. play God to behave in an imperious or superior manner

— interj
3. an oath or exclamation used to indicate surprise, annoyance, etc (and in such expressions as My God! or God Almighty! )

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
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ttp://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/God:
Definition of God
noun

*
1(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

*
2 (god) (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity: a moon god the Hindu god Vishnu
*
an image, animal, or other object worshipped as divine or symbolizing a god: wooden gods from the Congo
*
used as a conventional personification of fate: he dialled the number and, the gods relenting, got through at once

*
3 (god) a greatly admired or influential person: he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god
*
a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god: don’t make money your god

*
4 (the gods) informal the gallery in a theatre: they sat in the gods

Ihedinobi: ^^^^^ The bolded show that the use of the word, God, for the insentient is permissible. Therefore, my use of it is correct. Again, wiegraf, once you consider natural laws or wvqpiqz to be first cause or ultimate reality or the absolute you have named them God. It doesn't matter that you impute insentience to them.

Martian:

lol, this guy sees god in everything. Anyway, the "ultimate supreme absolutely necessary reality ultimate supreme Absolute Non-Contingent imperative Absolute" is THE GREAT LEPRECHUAN and he sh#ts diamonds every morning.

Ihedinobi:
lol.........it's settled then: you're no atheist.

Ihedinobi:

You do understand what it means for anything to be self-sufficient, right? That quality of self-sufficiency is what makes a thing God.

1supremo:

Go back to the post it was originally addressed to. If you want to sustain a conversation here, ask a different question.

Kay 17:

BUT that's just one attribute of the total att. of the Judeo Christian God. If I was to use such definition to seek God, it will be inadequate.

Martian:

lol, on a serious note though, I am not an atheist. I find the concept of god to be useless and ignorant and I find any attempted reification of the idea to be absurd and ridiculous. Calling myself an atheist means giving too much respect to the primitive and ill defined gods people worship.

Kay 17: @ihedinobi

The most significant attribute: Supernatural.

Kay 17: That doesn't say much, neither does it answer the purpose for creation.

However, Supernatural counts more because it purports distinguishes God from his creation, by promoting an absurdity that an entity can act beyond its character, outside its identity.

OLAADEGBU: It is good to be honest with yourself but one can be honest and be honestly wrong. If you belong to the religion of "I don't know" that makes you an agnostic. This is the real position of those who think that they are atheists. There is nothing like atheism, it does not exist. If there were no God there will be no atheists. Hence, they are all agnostics.

Ihedinobi:

Do you exist?

manmustwac: YES I do exist and so dose my pet dog and pet parrot. Can you please prove that my pet dog and pet parrot both believe in God since they both exist to but don't go to church and don't show any signs of believing in a supreme being?

Kay 17: That doesn't say much, neither does it answer the purpose for creation.

However, Supernatural counts more because it purports distinguishes God from his creation, by promoting an absurdity that an entity can act beyond its character, outside its identity.

Saint paris: I thought this quote was cool

Ihedinobi:

Hehehe....... So you insist that God is that which is supernatural. And you insist on that so that those who choose to attribute Godhood to things found in nature can be called atheists. Lol Like, seriously?

Just refer to the definitions that I copy-pasted for wiegraf up there, will you. God is that which sufficiently explains existence (yet another definition that I give without cost to you guys, but which still is expressed in the compound, "self-sufficient). And there is no worldview that does not possess something of that element.

Kay 17:

Supernatural popped up in one of the definition, and as I said before, self sufficiency is inadequate, cos it does address a conscious being, or attach any role of a Creator, or an object of worship or morality.

Ihedinobi:

You therefore take a condition called existence for granted. How do you explain this condition?

manmustwac: How am i taking a condition you call existence for granted? Why are you putting words into my mouth?