Iyineda: Lol OP. I refute the title of this thread simply because I am what you call an agnostic and I sure as hell do NOT believe in a god.
Superior entities, maybe. But God the way "He" is described in so-called holy scriptures, no.
I was raised a Christian (Anglican and Cross-bearer). Events in life have led me to believe (or not to believe) in some things.

What I am sure of is that religion is one of the things that brings the worst out of humanity. I have nothing against faith, but once said faith is institutionalized and dogmatized, I see it as a tool to manipulate the simple-minded. I am not even going to talk about refuting some events that are said to have occured in the "holy" scriptures such as the Bible. I just can't take people seriously when they strongly believe Man was made out of sand. Just like that...

Ihedinobi:

Ok. What superior entities? And what do you mean when you say you believe in them?

Ihedinobi: Thanks for the education, but I actually am not ignorant of agnosticism or what an agnostic is. By the way, humans are skeptics by nature, doesn't mean we're all agnostics. And, we could discuss agnosticism more in depth as we go on. The question here is what do you mean when you say you believe in superior entities? You can leave off identifying these entities if it's too difficult for you.

Ihedinobi: Ok. So maybe you believe in laws of creation, maybe you don't?

Ihedinobi:

Sorry. "Whatever you say, lady".

Kay 17:

You didn't answer the Q though

Iyineda:

We are getting somewhere.
But hey, are you trying to understand why I've become who I am today? Because that would be reeeeaaaly long. Can't possibly begin to expose such online. I've spent over an hour talking about my agnosticsm with only a handful of people, the most of whom were family. I also discussed it with one of my closest female friends (French).
Oh well. Enough chit-chat. Gotta go.
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Kay 17: How did you know I was Male

Ihedinobi:

I did not know you were male. I guess it's just a stereotype I had. It's not very consistent with female psychology, as far as I know, to be so combatant about existential questions. Buy there are always exceptions.

Mr_Anony:
Kay 17 is female?

Ihedinobi:

No, I am not trying to understand your decision. I'm trying to see how you refute my title as you say you do.

Iyineda:

I simply refute the title because you claim "everybody" believes in a god. I just replied by saying I don't believe in a god.

MacDaddy01: This is the foolishness of theists/deists appearing again.


There is no evidence for god. You people keep using the same dead arguments.

Please, notice that all their evidence for god is based on mystery. How can a mystery be evidence when a mystery by definition is confusion because there is no evidence/clues to explain it.



Mysteries used as evidence for God;

-Ihedinobi starts the thread with the mystery of "self sufficiency"
-Deepsight and Enigma use the origin of the universe to claim God exists. (No one knows the full origin of the universe)
-Miracles. Something mysteriously happens (eg a person defeats cancer) and it is God that did it!



Seriously?


Let me debunk the Cosmological arguments for God once and for all
-Whatever the origin or cause of the universe we do not fully know. Anything that tries to explain it without empirical evidence or some data is a hypothesis.

-We can easily explain how something can come from something. We have no evidence nor reason to believe that an immaterial spirit being can create something.

-We have no evidence for spirits or invisible beings not now or ever. You cant even explain what a spirit is? Is it antimatter or gas? How would a spirit be able to create the world? One mystery used to explain the mystery of the origin of our universe!




#theism/deism debunked.

Ihedinobi:

We may be dealing with a case of sexual confusion. First, there was a protest that I assumed he/she/it was male, then there was a seeming confirmation that it indeed is male. So, I'm afraid I don't know, bro. I certainly hope it's female. Imagine Kay 17 being female That's a 20-page thread. Lol

Mr_Anony:
Lolol, I'll wait for him/her to clarify things. From where I stand though, I would never have guessed - not even vaguely - that Kay 17 was female