Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,195,332 members, 7,957,881 topics. Date: Tuesday, 24 September 2024 at 10:59 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection (21527 Views)
Catholism- Focus On Mortification And Penance / Catholism- Focus On Relics / 5 Reasons Why Catholism Is Not Christian (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) ... (24) (25) (26) (27) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 11:09pm On Apr 16, 2013 |
Enigma:what is your point exactly? |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 11:18pm On Apr 16, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: that some people "they represented" saw them as heads doesn't make them heads. If the bishops in the metropolitan see of lagos names card okogie as pope, that doesn't make him pope, that makes him an antipope and d bishops as schism 'causers'.You know something. Not that I'm doubting the authenticity of what you wrote, only that when dealing with recorded history I like it better if they come with a link. I can't just believe it because you said it. Please provide me a satisfactory link. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 11:49pm On Apr 16, 2013 |
Reyginus: You know something. Not that I'm doubting the authenticity of what you wrote, only that when dealing with recorded history I like it better if they come with a link. I can't just believe it because you said it. Please provide me a satisfactory link.this should help, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13539a.html |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 11:51pm On Apr 16, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: Lol. The result of fanaticism, I guess.and this is very charitable and unfanatic right? |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 9:09am On Apr 17, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: this should help,This is a very complicated issue. While I agree with the article on the below explanation... (3) Most modern doctors uphold the same ideas. It suffices to quote Canon J. Didiot, dean of the faculty of Lille: "If after the election of a pope and before his death or resignation a new election takes place, it is null and schismatic; the one elected is not in the Apostolic Succession. This was seen at the beginning of what is called, somewhat incorrectly, the Great Schism of the West, which was only an apparent schism from a theological standpoint. If two elections take place simultaneously or nearly so, one according to laws previously passed and the other contrary to them, the apostolicity belongs to the pope legally chosen and not to the other, and though there be doubts, discussions, and cruel divisions on this point, as at the time of the so-called Western Schism, it is no less true, no less real that the apostolicity exists objectively in the true pope. What does it matter, in this objective relation, that it is not manifest to all and is not recognized by all till long after? A treasure is bequeathed to me, but I do not know whether it is in the chest A or in the casket B. Am I any less the possessor of this treasure?" After the theologian let us hear the canonist. The following are the words of Bouix, so competent in all these questions. Speaking of the events of this sad period he says: "This dissension was called schism, but incorrectly. No one withdrew from the true Roman pontiff considered as such, but each obeyed the one he regarded as the true pope. They submitted to him, not absolutely, but on condition that he was the true pope. Although there were several obediences, nevertheless there was no schism properly so-called" (De Papa, I, 461). ... As in the link, Pope Urban sudden change in behaviour led to the election of Clement. The problem is now, we cannot completely define an antipope where the same cardinals who voted for the pope were involved in the election. According to google 'If the Pope became physically or mentally incapacitated then the College of Cardinals could meet and declare that he no longer has control of his faculties and is therefore impeded in his office. This would then open the way to elect a new Pope'. The sudden change in behaviour of the pope can be termed an inability to control his abilities. And this affected his office. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 10:09am On Apr 17, 2013 |
Reyginus: This is a very complicated issue. While I agree with the article on the below explanation...please take note of the bolded. After the theologian let us hear the canonist. The following are the words of Bouix, so competent in all these questions. Speaking ofa change in behaviour doesn't depose anyone, The problem is now, we cannot completely define an antipope where the same cardinals who voted for the pope were involved in the election.actually we can! Those who went the otherway are simply schimatic. According to google 'If the Pope became physically or mentallya "change in behaviour" isn't termed "mentally incapable". This aside the above would have been an interesting arguement of what constitute "mentally incapacitated" if the schimatic cardinal elected d other papal claimant because the thought urban was mad! Unfortunately the above isn't an arguement because the schimatic cardinal never claimed urban was "physically or mentally incapacitated" instead they tried to justify their act by claiming was never a pope. That alone distroys d arguement base a mental incapability. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 11:31am On Apr 17, 2013 |
Reyginus: This is a very complicated issue. While I agree with the article on the below explanation...again i just took a quick look into canon law and it seems there was never a canon law that ever claimed the college of cardinals can declear a pope physical or mentally incapacitated. It seems the bishop of d primus see is judged by no one unless he is dead. On the inability of cardinals or the college of cardinals to judge the pope "mentally incapacitated" please see this http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2013/01/31/pope-removed-from-office/ pay attention to the last paragraphs. It does seem everyone lack the ability to declear the pope mentally incapacitated. Also check the last days of pope johnpaul ii when it could be medically proven that he was physically incapacitated and yet nobody dear calls d college and claim that because the pope was physically incapacitated it should be decleared that he is no longer pope. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 12:19pm On Apr 17, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: please take note of the bolded. a change in behaviour doesn't depose anyone, actually we can! Those who went the otherway are simply schimatic.The reason I said this is complicated. A change in behaviour can also be as a result of mental incapability. But that is an aside. If we get the thorough statement of the cardinals' reason, it will help understand what really happened. If their is no other reason than the one you pointed out, then we even have to question the integrity they employed in the election of pope. The decision to pick who is qualified for the position should not be left to a set of incompetent people. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 12:56pm On Apr 20, 2013 |
Reyginus: The reason I said this is complicated. A change in behaviour can also be as a result of mental incapability. But that is an aside.the link i provided stated the reason. they tried to argue that Urban wasn't pope and that the conclave was forced. |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 12:27am On Apr 21, 2013 |
Reyginus: The reason I said this is complicated. A change in behaviour can also be as a result of mental incapability. But that is an aside.my dear I'll be interested in discussing the intricacies of that 'schism' when you open a thread on it, but suffice it to say that the card. didn't have and even till today do not have the power to depose the pope, thus they created an anti pope and my point stands that there was one pope and other anti popes and infallibility rested with the pope |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 7:37pm On Apr 24, 2013 |
I think we have to disagree to agree here. Ubenedictus: my dear I'll be interested in discussing the intricacies of that 'schism' when you open a thread on it, but suffice it to say that the card. didn't have and even till today do not have the power to depose the pope, thus they created an anti pope and my point stands that there was one pope and other anti popes and infallibility rested with the popeWhat do you have to say here. Can it be justified biblically? Reyginus: BIBLE READING AND PRAYER |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Ubenedictus(m): 3:41pm On Apr 30, 2013 |
Reyginus: I think we have to disagree to agree here.there is nothing to disagree on, the inability of the college of card. to dispose the pope has already been explained by canon lawyers. The antipope of that period are known. The pope has the infallibility. What do you have to say here. Can it be justified biblically?that isnt a doctrinal problem! You seem concerned about bulletins! There were no single bibles till the 6th century ( or so i think), all there were were single books and snippets, bulletins and missal picture d liturgical reading of the church, and they are beneficial especially for those who wish to follow the liturgy. The idea the catholic church doesn't encourage the reading of the bible is laughable, infact there is indulgence attached to just a 15 mins study of sacred scripture! That is a joke at best. Prayer is a personal or/and communal relationship with God, if you know catholics who can't address their heavenly father without the use of already made prayers then it is your DUTY to call them and teach them the basics of prayer as first and foremost a dialogue with God who is a friend. If you can't teach your brother then you shouldn't condem his/her crudity in prayers. Peace |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Nobody: 10:08am On Jun 08, 2016 |
wow! @Ubenedictus you really tried in this thread |
Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by Decentpee(m): 12:50pm On Jun 25, 2016 |
I'm so impressed with all dis giants of catholic that boldly confronted and overcome this unreasonable rants by anti-catholics. Kudos to y'all. . A word for Mr poster... Stop criticizing and start encouraging. Treat others the way u will love to be treated... Peace... |
(1) (2) (3) ... (24) (25) (26) (27) (Reply)
30-year-old Prophetess Set Ablaze As Trance Celebration Turned Sour / Onitsha Defy Recession : Christmas Preparations In High Gear / MFM 2016 Annual 70 Days Fasting And Prayers Begins Today Monday 8th August
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 79 |