"What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind."
T.H. Key

wiegraf:

No. So?

You could be genuinely seeing 4 colors, doesn't mean there are 4 colors there, it just means you perceive (if you aren't trolling) 4 colors. Again, so?

Assuming there really are 4 colors there, have you met color blind people?

You know there are people who see light outside the normal spectrum as well, yes? Iirc there are people who can see either uv/or infrared sef, can't remember which.

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-humans-with-super-human-vision

You could have altered your perception through drugs or what not, even permanently. You could simply be insane. etc etc
I hope you have more than this to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make...

greatgenius: you have probably not done something like this before why I said 30 seconds or more..I don't have to really concentrate or look at the black dot to see those extra colors..I see them within a second or less of concentration ..

greatgenius: wtf ..Ok we are talking about something different here..I am talking about perceiving the "auric field"of things and you are talking about optical illusions...

greatgenius: ^^^^ I have seen your level of reasoning not much to write home about... So stop your incessant nonsense and bashing of Christians because you are just as lost as them.. you have a lot of anger in you and some meditation will do you good..

Logicboy03:

lol.....erm....ehem......since you couldnt tell that I was joking in my last comment..................


KISS MY AZZ

Mr_Anony: Please guys, check out this video if you may.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDavvndecE

wiegraf:


I'll deal with you properly later, no time atm. At least I think you're sincere, you believe your, err, pure nonsense. But at least you're honest and trying to objectively prove something.

No, I can't see didly squat. But optical illusions and me have never gotten along. Like these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostereogram

https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=magic+eye&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Q7u&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=72LzUO_vI4W70QWcsYCIBQ&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1158&bih=618

I've been staring at these bastards for near 20 years without success. Other tricks

http://www.itsvery.net/fun03c.html

Similar to what you have there


Perception, tricks of the mind. You could be perceiving 4 colors, but there are only 2 there. You see with your mind, simple. One can use various tools to alter perception, that does not mean that what you're sensing is what is objectively there. You can also purposely trick it into believing strange $hit. And don't get me started on what drugs can do to how you perceive stuff

So, what? How does this relate to spirituality? This isn't magic. I'll deal with the other post if need be later. Especially the fact that you think one should ignore peer reviewed journals *smh*



This one though is my favorite, and probably popular. Some people see her spinning clockwise, other the opposite. Some see her spinning both ways easily (like me). If you've never come across it get a friend, and you guys can mindfuck at it as your observations will not tally.

http://www.itsvery.net/fun03e.html

Kay 17: So what have we learnt about the soul? HOW is the eternal nature of the soul known?

Deep Sight:

As for the dancing lady, its a trick. Watch the left and right feet and you will get it. Prank.

greatgenius: wtf ..Ok we are talking about something different here..I am talking about perceiving the "auric field"of things and you are talking about optical illusions...

wiegraf:

Nah, we're talking about the same thing, optical illusions. You can't see aural fields without the great pikkiwokis permission, and I asked him just now and he says he never granted it to you. He doesn't troll so I'm sure he's telling the truth.

Good thing though is you highlight the power of perception in these things.

But of course, let the meta-physical shenanigans begin. Do not let me rain on your parade, so long as you don't insult my intelligence ie.

That video @logic posted is very fitting actually. I never knew that song was so ghey btw

Kay 17: What does this have to do with souls?!

musKeeto:
Waiiiiiiitt foor it....

greatgenius: bullshi.t..everything you have posted are all virtual illusions.. what i posted was not.. all objects have auras..auras of non living objects are essentially fixed and since the auric field around colors are the easiest to perceive, i chose those two colors for you(could have chose any other color)..

i aslo asked you to concentrate on the black spot so that you could use your peripheral vision to see the auric field of the colors instead of looking straight at the colors..i assumed your peripheral vision retina will be much less "damaged" than your central part. but i guess i assumed wrong cus obviously they both are "damaged"... i mean if you cannot see the auras of simple objects how much more humans..

yet you somehow believe that some people have the power to perceive beyond "normal" color wavelengths because the "experts" says so. Those you would not dare call illusions because the "experts" you rely on have not deemed it so.. some of you are a funny bunch i tell you

Kay 17: What does this have to do with souls?!

wiegraf:

Your stoopidity is now even more conspicuous, try to contain it.

Like I already told you, you cannot see auric fields without asking the great pikkiwoki, the source of all aura, therefore you're clearly lying.

That asides, you want me to ignore peer reviewed data, reviewed by all sorts of scientists (probably including looneys like you)

and accept claims from an anonymous poster on the web who cannot see how silly it is to declare himself a great genius? Whatever you smoke no get part 2.

Why don't I just accept the claims of theists? You do note the myriad blogs online, the indoctrination received, the sheer amount of pressure one receives to be religious, hmm? The many, many "experts" who claim there's a god, yet I discard they're conclusions.

Why? It's real simple, they don't make any logical sense. And you certainly seem intent on topping their folly.

This is CLEARLY some sort of trick of perception, a simple effect like any of the others I've posted.

This one doesn't even need special eyes, like of those who see millions more colors, it's a simple effect that would work like the ones I posted (except less elegantly actually), and I have even come across similar before.

You now somehow conclude that denotes some sort of magic? Heheheh.

In what universe is the logic behind your claim? Staring at certain colors can alter your perception a bit, therefore, spiritual auras.

You ever stare at the sun for a while then look at something else? You notice how the colors now seem a little different for a bit? What does that now mean, the sun has a spiritual aura?

Great genius, an optical illusion (or effect) is just that, an optical illusion. A mirages isn't really an oasis. Except, of course, to people with "damaged" brains.

So, you honestly expect to be taken seriously? You best quit whatever you smoke before it fully melts your brain. Really, keep your $hit in threads where stoopid is the topic. For the most part you at least manage that.

greatgenius:
i am far from a looney..but you are, becuase you dont seem to get it..you seem to believe that if its been reviewed and verified by all sorts of scientist or people then its facts..you are no different from christians.. they place their faith in a "god" and you place your faith in "experts".you have made "scientist" and experts your "god" albiet with less worshipping compared to the christians.. both acts are equally wrong.. i have not asked you to accept anything. i am only here to help..

greatgenius:
equally distubing borne of out ignorance and low self esteem though is to think that calling oneself a greatgenius is silly. its amazing how low humans think of themselves.. but i tell you what i am all that and even more. I am the son of God. I am God. and you are also all that.

greatgenius:
i dont really care what you accept brother..it doesnt change the facts.. There is a God. You are God in flesh..God in amnesia..whether you believe it or not is not my issue at this point..you eventually will. again very ignorant statement.. people

greatgenius:
inabillity to explain something logically to you is no indication to claim something does not exist. very daft in my opinion.

greatgenius:
agian it is not a trick. i have asked you to use your own colors... seeing auras is nothing new. you dont need special eyes for anything for anything my friend. hehehe back at your ignorance.. no where did i say that having the abillity to see auras is magical..there is nothing paranormal in seeing auras..in the grand scheme of things there is nothing like miracles or magic only limited perception or ignorance..and your ignorance im afriad knows no bounds.. another statement borne out ignorance..what do you think the spiritual or metaphysical is.. what is staring at the sun and looking somewhere else got to do with auras again..what is an aura mean to you.. well im really inclined to beliive you might have a "damaged" brain.. if anything you are the delusioinal culprit who thinks something as simple as the auric field of a color is an optical illusion.
the question is do you actually take yourself seriously..because only a fool will take some of the things you re saying serious..

wiegraf:

If you, my rather deluded eediot, think the scientific methods "experts" are wrong, you're welcome to toss your computer or whatever device you're using into a river. Along with all the other nice things it has given you, modern medicine etc. I'm sure auras have some healing properties, no? Can't you contact me using auric waves or something, do we need to use the internet? Hypocrite.

And good $whateveryousmoke, I don't need your help. Pls, no!

I don't just think it's silly mind you. I think you and that billionare guy are this guy silly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

Looking for "low humans" or sheeple to drink cool aid with you, etc etc. Seriously, allowed to roam free you might turn into real nuisances, lol. You make communists who hunted your kind look reasonable.

Great genius my a$$, don't even know what an optical illusion is, silly god.

What's that, you do? Then why in your hell do you call them auras? It sounds cooler? Attracts sheeple/humans?

God, do please link to some post where you no doubt prove to us that we're god.

Let me just officially tell you that I am not god, allah, yahweh, dog, whatever god your smoke makes you dream up, etc. That said, you're welcome to pay tithes at any given time, and I do think it cool you find me that awesome (I do as well). Just let me know when you have the cash and I'll pm details.

Great genius, again, before your brain melts stop smoking that $hit. Look at the bold again. Carefully. What you're saying here is that

our something has not been shown to exist, hence the doubt of its existence

you don't even have logical evidence to back up the something existing

In essence, assuming this scenario, you admit you cannot show it exists. You know you cannot show me that it logically exists, yet you think I'd be d.aft to doubt your claims? You really think yourself god, no? I should accept your claims because? What's next? Santa, zeus, pikachu, yeti? I should accept your claims because you say so?

You know I'm god as well, yes? Eediot..

Great genius god, what is an auric field of color?
I eagerly await an ansah...

greatgenius: lol you really are daft..you have ears but do not hear..i tell him to stop taking every "truth" and "facts" from the "experts" as ultimate and then he comes back with "why dont you toss your computer or whatever device your using into the river" since you want me to think for myself..Really is that how atheist reason these days..

greatgenius:
and for your info i do not take "modern medicines".of what use is a medicine to me. i am enlightened and illuminated enough to know that medicines do not cure dis-eases..i really don't remember the last time i was sick and i don't plan on ever becoming sick..you will be surprised what the power of thoughts/mind and words can cure.. try it it will help your life

and as for contacting you through any other means the less i say about it the better..

greatgenius:
the above is full of ignorance no need to respond if anything it is you who doesn't know what an optical illusion is..understand that in the grand scheme of things everything you see is an illusion..form is an illusion..having said that in the context of this discussion and also putting into context popular notion, "optical illusion" as used here just means "fake"/trick.(especially going by some of the images you posted)..a mirage or counterfeit of a sort. but if you want to get technical i can tell you outright that everything you see is an illusion.. for instance what if i told you that what you think is a white color is actually black; or orange is blue.; or a table is actually not solid at all; or a bridge moves faster than the water underneath it..are these not all true statements? would you believe me or call me crazy if you didn't know these.. again i really don't think you know what auras are.

greatgenius:
no need for that i dont need to prove jack to you..but if you really need to know go read your bible it is right in there(just separate the wheat from the chaff and you will get to the truth).. but if you want to go the science route then let me tell you that you a conglomeration of atoms. you are an energy being. a light being

greatgenius:
whether you like it or not you are human and you are indeed an individuated aspect of YHWH the creator of life on this planet.. but again the less said the better. i see you are enjoying the game of this life.

greatgenius:
you are very ignorant indeed..doubting something exist is not the same as does not exist..doubting makes you an agnostic not atheist..where do you really stand because you seem confused right now..And let me also add that there is really nothing like something not existing..
depends on who you are talking to.. but again because of your level of ignorance the less said the better..

greatgenius:
where did i admitted that i cannot show God exist..your problem like most religionist is that you think and believe God is seperate from you..God is where you are brother..you are a spark of the divine and you are here for a reason.. oh ye of extreme ignorance have i not said that ye are god.

greatgenius:
simply put the auric field of colors are the auric pairs that surrounds them..for istance these are the auric pairs of monochromatic colors...red gives turquoise aura, turquoise gives red aura; orange gives blue aura, blue gives orange aura ;yellow gives violet aura, violet gives yellow aura and green gives pink aura, pink gives green aura..

Reyginus: Wiegraf, how you talk! Haba mana?

wiegraf:

Wetin I do na?

Reyginus: You didn't notice his delusion increases by your punch-lines. Indeed their is power in delusion. Have pity on the dude please:-/.