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| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by gidiMonsta(m): 10:05am On Dec 27, 2012 |
PointB: Sharia will not work as long as some people use it for personal gains. State police will not work if the agbero mindset of SW politicians remains. Creation of more states will not achieve anything other than the enrichment of the corrupt elite, who will only use it as another avenue to siphon our resources. For every new system to be introduced there should be a gradual form of introduction and implementation. I'll rather have a systematic amendment of the present constitution where these changes are gradually implemented. Changing the mindset of the people is not as hard as most people think, a corruption free leadership that goes after the so-called untouchables will go a long way in bringing about this change. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by emmatok(m): 10:07am On Dec 27, 2012 |
size38: Mr Fosala is very wrong on this because those who make, execute and interprete the law will always look for lophole to bend the law to their favour Some countries do not have written Constitution and they doing better. E.g UK. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by jmaine: 10:10am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Fashola made great points about the need for an attitudinal change . .But PointB disgust about Fashola utterances and his seeming hypocrisy is valid it squarely depends on what section of the speech you chose to dwell on . . . . |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by larride(m): 10:17am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Thank You Gov. Fash, that's basically what I was saying in the other thread. Like someone said above, even if a new constitution is brought forward with this our mindset, we will surely find a loophole to bend it in our favour. A change in every nation starts with the people, if the people are not ready to change, the nation won't change. We need to start large scale re-orientation to everyone, not just about good governance but about our responsibilities, our rights and the fundametal moral values. Once we get those right and we are united without any ethnic sentiments or emotions then we can begin to voice our opinions in one voice, then we can begin to enact those changes we want by demanding good governance from our leaders. Government CAN'T/WON'T do everything for us, we are the one that makes the constitution and not the other way round. Ask yourself this, even if we change the constitution, will it stop corruption, kidnapping, terrorism, scams? Until our mindset is changed, until we hold dear our moral values, nothing will change. Changing the constitution doesn't literally translate to a better nation. We really have lots of work to do. The first step is re-orientation of the masses, our mindset needs to change and we need to stop this tribal war. Whether we like it or not, we are all in this together both the Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa, we are all in this together. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by Nobody: 10:21am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Nigerians are hard working people but the problem is that; many dreams die because things doesn't always work out as planed in this country due to corrupt leaders so, people look for other ways to survive including corruption (what do you expect of the younger brother of a guy who graduated 7yrs ago and still looking for a job?). If our leaders can perform their duties and put many things in place to revive this country from living hell, I tell you, many people will be forced to change and be good citizens once they see that their dreams can be materialise in this country. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by ba7man(m): 10:34am On Dec 27, 2012 |
His message is simple. If we don't change our attitudes, there's no constitution change that will work. That's not so hard to understand. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by k2039: 10:41am On Dec 27, 2012 |
SELFWORTH: [color=soyouquotedme]We both agree on this [/color] |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by Nobody: 10:53am On Dec 27, 2012 |
larride: Thank You Gov. Fash, that's basically what I was saying in the other thread. Like someone said above, even if a new constitution is brought forward with this our mindset, we will surely find a loophole to bend it in our favour. A change in every nation starts with the people, if the people are not ready to change, the nation won't change. We need to start large scale re-orientation to everyone, not just about good governance but about our responsibilities, our rights and the fundametal moral values. Once we get those right and we are united without any ethnic sentiments or emotions then we can begin to voice our opinions in one voice, then we can begin to enact those changes we want by demanding good governance from our leaders. Government CAN'T/WON'T do everything for us, we are the one that makes the constitution and not the other way round. Ask yourself this, even if we change the constitution, will it stop corruption, kidnapping, terrorism, scams? Until our mindset is changed, until we hold dear our moral values, nothing will change. Changing the constitution doesn't literally translate to a better nation. We really have lots of work to do. The first step is re-orientation of the masses, our mindset needs to change and we need to stop this tribal war. Whether we like it or not, we are all in this together both the Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa, we are all in this together.it's impossible for the people to change without the country changing. If the country can change, its people will be forced to change. Telling the people to change first is like telling those in Niger Delta University to behave like those in Harvard University. Yes! A change in every nation starts with the people because the Government represent the people. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by juman(m): 10:58am On Dec 27, 2012 |
jmaine: Fashola made great points about the need for an attitudinal change . .But PointB disgust about Fashola utterances and his seeming hypocrisy is valid |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by Nobody: 11:09am On Dec 27, 2012 |
samkoro: Fashola should have let Okada riders and Lagos drivers have a change of attitude without introducing traffic laws.This guy is making sense (without the last two lines) |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by drnoel: 11:35am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Never really had any respect for fashola and his drunken words have just cemented the fact |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by Nobody: 11:43am On Dec 27, 2012 |
The man actually meant that, even if we have a Qaddafi without freedom of speech etc.., We can still have a Libya with a $25b water project that supplies constant water to 80% of people in a desert, we can have a Libya where everyone has a house, we can have a Libya where if you want to school in Harvard, it's free with pocket money, We can have a Libya where if you want to farm, you get land, seeds for free and you get 0% loan to expand and if you fail, the govt will reward you for trying, we can have a Libya where the unemployed are paid till they get jobs. All the above under a dictatorship constitution of Qaddafi yet accomplished the most Africans in democracy can't for his people!!! |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by larride(m): 11:49am On Dec 27, 2012 |
Highbros: it's impossible for the people to change without the country changing. If the country can change its people will be forced to change. Telling the people to change first is like telling those in Niger Delta University to behave like those in Harvard University. Yes! A change in every nation starts with the people because the Government represent the people. I agree that change doesn't occur over night but our mindset must change first if we will be able to process that change. A case in study is when Gov. Fash was demolishing houses that where built on the road side, in drainage, everyone was shouting against him that he doesn't care about the masses but if he doesn't demolish those houses and there's an accident, they will be the first to lay blame on the government. When he prohibit okada riders in some certain roads, a lot of people still shout and complain that he doesn't care about the masses but if there's any accident concerning these okada riders, we are still going to blame the government, to sanitize the nation and move forward some harsh decisions needs to be made unless there will be no development. We need to start looking/thinking outside the box, to change the status quo, our mindset must change, our attitude towards the nation must change, our determination must change, we must work together as one body, the consitution isn't going to do all that for us but moral values will. I'm for amending the constitution and also changing our mindset about as people of this great nation. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by AZeD1(m): 11:58am On Dec 27, 2012 |
PointB: Some should tell this guy, that he doesn't know what he is talking about. He is a hypocrite, who runs with the hare and chase with the hounds!You really have a very low iq. For all those blaming the leaders, the question you should ask yourself is where they born leaders? Was Fashola or any other governor given birth to as a governor? Change starts with the people. You really don't need a constitution to tell you not to drive on a one way lane. You don't need a constitution to tell you not to throw dirty on the street. Its not our constitution that makes people like Bode George, Tinubu e.t.c feel like elders, its our value system and until we change that, no constitution will help us. One of the threads i started on NL was https://www.nairaland.com/944205/what-person-doing-done-better. Unless we the people start taking responsibility for our actions, we are on a very long thing |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by Nobody: 12:12pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
I disagree, sir. We cannot succeed with a constitution that promotes waste and duplication of roles by insisting that ministers MUST be drawn from EVERY state in the country. We cannot succeed with a constitution that demands appointments based on federal character/zoning and sacrifices merit and competence. We cannot succeed with a constitution that insists on sharing ALL revenue among three tiers of government, without providing for a national pool of savings. We cannot succeed with a constitution that gives excessive powers to Abuja and deliberately weakens the states in the name of "national unity". We cannot succeed with a flawed bicameral legislature with over-paid senators and dishonourable reps members. We cannot succeed with a constitution that actively promotes "feeding bottle federalism" by sharing oil money at Abuja every month. We cannot succeed with a constitution that excludes youth from participating in the political process by setting minimum age requirements for contesting for elective office. We cannot succeed with a constitution that deliberately weakens local governments (the most IMPORTANT tier of government) by failing to guarantee their independence. We cannot succeed with a constitution that begins with a lie. "We the people"... Which people? When and where did "we the people" draft a constitution? Drafting a NEW constitution by means of a TRULY sovereign national conference is an indispensable step toward engendering a true sense of nationhood, the absence of which is responsible for Nigeria remaining a "geographical expression" (apologies to Metternich and Awolowo). P.S: I'm not denying the importance of attitudinal change. 1 Like |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by tunjilana: 12:13pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
While I agree with Fashola about changing our value system, I strongly disagree with the fact that the 1999 constitution is adequate, we need to review it and remove every element of inequality and backwardness...Above all our leaders have a great role to play in making & enforcing laws and creating institutions that are greater than anyone...Taking Lagos for example,We all know that people are more conscious of traffic laws now, this is not because they suddenly became good people but cos he made laws, was serious about it and better enforced it.This is what we need from our leaders. seriousness in everything, from corruption to terrorism to economic diversification to infrastructural development and all.... |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by dcitizen1: 3:55pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
@Emmatok, the fact dat the british does not have a written consitution do not meant dat the british does not have a constitution. It means dat the rule and laws dat govern the country is not codified in one document. We need constitutional amendment to address some weaknesses in the consitution and modern challenges like terrorism. We need amendment to address the issues of state creation for fairness and equity and justice for the south east region and local government creation and state police. If fashola is simplying the solution to the problem of the country to attitudinal change, he is just be mischievious, myopic deceptive as a south west person . Why is he introducing laws upon laws in lagos state and creating kangaroo agencies to implement the laws to address sanity of road, environmental issues and other critical issues?. Why did he leave the change in lagos to attitudinal change?. Wen article of confederation failed the usa, american decided to convene a national conference dat drated a constituion dat makes american the beckon of modern democracy in the world. Anybody saying dat nigerians donot need a constutitional amendment is insane and mischievious. We need the constitutional amendment to address the injustices on the ground and other comtemporary challenges dat are facing us today and we also need attitudinal changes |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by gudugudumeje: 3:59pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
RUBBISH AD MISLEADING ! Wat a thrash is coming from lawyer of his status? We should ask him where his constitutional history is. That is at least that of Nigeria's ad British Constitutional Histories. And Economic History, too. Fashola may need to go bnaaaaaaaaaaacck to school in order to follow up the circular relationship btw.const. dev.,economic progress and society ad polity |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by gudugudumeje: 4:03pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
RUBBISH AD MISLEADING ! Wat a thrash is coming from lawyer of his status? We should ask him where his constitutional history is. That is at least that of Nigeria's ad British Constitutional Histories. And Economic History, too. Fashola may need to go bnaaaaaaaaaaacck to school in order to follow up the circular relationship btw.const. dev.,economic progress, society ad polity |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by olivertwist: 5:18pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
'The antidote with Nigeria challenges lies with the people' - Fashola What Gov. Fashola simply means is that, POWER belongs to the PEOPLE. We can't give POWER i.e. OUR ELECTORAL VOTE to a novice & incompetent person like GEJ and, at the same time, expect a CHANGE. We can change the CONSTITUTION a million times if we like but, with the likes of GEJ & Co at the helm of affairs, NOTHING 4 US. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by DaLover(m): 6:20pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
0lumide: The man actually meant that, even if we have a Qaddafi without freedom of speech etc.., We can still have a Libya with a $25b water project that supplies constant water to 80% of people in a desert, we can have a Libya where everyone has a house, we can have a Libya where if you want to school in Harvard, it's free with pocket money, We can have a Libya where if you want to farm, you get land, seeds for free and you get 0% loan to expand and if you fail, the govt will reward you for trying, we can have a Libya where the unemployed are paid till they get jobs. If there is anything I think Nigerians need to change in their thinking, I think it's this belief in freebies being dished out by the federal government. Libya is the population of delta state with much more oil than nigeria... But if you insist on using Libya as an example, lets answer this question, did the Libya people decide to change as once ( which is impossible) or did gadaffi come to power and change the system of doing things. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by jmaine: 6:23pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
olivertwist: 'The antidote with Nigeria challenges lies with the people' - Fashola Fashola was talking about attitudinal change mainly in the followership and not the political elite he and GEJ belong to; cos he denounced any form of revolution to topple or chase out corrupt leaders... Your GEJ ejaculat!on on this thread doesn't suffice at all... |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by DaLover(m): 6:29pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
larride: You have contradicted yourself here... People's attitude will only change when there is reason to change, such as a change in laws or systems, an example you gave above is the demolition of houses or banning of okada, else people will continue in that same state... Looking at the bigger picture of nigeria, it is clear that as long as the system is built around sharing of free oil to states by the all powerful FG, laziness and corruption will be the prevailing attitude of Nigerians. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by DaLover(m): 6:38pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
A-ZeD: What r you talking about bro? Do you even know why we need a constitution ? If you answer this question then you would appreciate why this comment falls very short . |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by PointB: 8:30pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
A-ZeD: Is it that your brain is pea-sized or your are just a plain imbe-cilic hypocrite? If new laws are not needed to make people change, why did Fashola roll out new sets of Traffic laws in Lagos state? Shouldn't he just assemble Okada riders and commercial drivers and preach to them the good news of attitudinal changes? Guess what Fashola couldn't do that, because he is as hypocritical as they come! Perhaps too Fashola should preach change of attitude to criminals and other malevolent characters in the society and watch them heed his sermon and transform into innocent kids. He speaks from the two sides of his mouth. Or is is it that Fashola probably fear a new constitution will demand more accountability of him, and perhaps less power. I simply want to know why he objects to new constitution that probably will help to restructure the country for progress. Again, something is clearly missing here. Fashola wants State Police, I hope a change of people attitude will grant him the State Police he so much covet! |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by solelymade: 9:32pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
Nigerians and their inability to discern the problem wit the Nigerian State. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS NATION IS THE ORIENTATION OF THE PEOPLE TOWARDS ANARCHISM. The law/constitution holds no ground when the people that are to incorporate such into mores fail to realise this. We are here today because we are ever ready to circumvent and never to compromise on provisions of the constitution. We love to say the constitution is inadequate even when we fail to acknowledge it let alone obey its adequacy, also remember the penal code never said a convicted criminal can spend jailterm in a 5-star hospital, Bode George spent less than a year in d prison 4 an offence that shouldnt earn him less than 30 years(dis is contained in the penal code) and was even priviledged to offer thanksgiving in church yet, we say that Nigerians are not 2 blame for the failure of the Nigeria system which the constitution pivots. More than some little inadequacies in the constitution and other laws and convention guiding the affairs of citizen in Naija, is the attitude of the citizenry to bastardizing the present structures. And if we continue this way, as the heavens are far away from the earth; so are we far from that utopian society we all crave for and remember subsequent generation only have us to blame. Lets change our ways |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by Dede1(m): 9:51pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
@POST Sometimes, I wonder aloud how Fashola and bunch of lawyers in Nigeria got to the position of SAN. Every law, including the ban of Okada, should flow from the constitution or statutory code enacted by the legislative bodies. Fashola is one example of Nigerians who are driving democracy to the mud. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by solelymade: 9:52pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
PointB:Can u go through all ur post again and read critical then take time to meditiate on them. Evaluate critically and objectively thereafter draw a more reasonable conclusion.You definitely will say something similar and not far divorced from this; Fashola never ruled out the place of conventions in our society but this conventions are never means to the ends of Nigeria and Nigerians.What we need right now is gettin individuals to compromise on the best possible act of conformist with the society as a whole and only then will the laws of the land work effectively. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by solelymade: 9:53pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
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| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by oilyngbati1: 9:57pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
Fashola, is a typical man from the folks that sh;it in nylon bags. He is neither here nor there. |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by solelymade: 10:21pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
gudugudumeje: RUBBISH AD MISLEADING ! Wat a thrash is coming from lawyer of his status? We should ask him where his constitutional history is. That is at least that of Nigeria's ad British Constitutional Histories. And Economic History, too. Fashola may need to go bnaaaaaaaaaaacck to school in order to follow up the circular relationship btw.const. dev.,economic progress and society ad polity jmaine: gudugudumeje: RUBBISH AD MISLEADING ! Wat a thrash is coming from lawyer of his status? We should ask him where his constitutional history is. That is at least that of Nigeria's ad British Constitutional Histories. And Economic History, too. Fashola may need to go bnaaaaaaaaaaacck to school in order to follow up the circular relationship btw.const. dev.,economic progress and society ad polityThe best u guyz can offer dis country is ur eclectic write-up on nairaland and possibly newspaper.What Mr Fashola is simply saying is NO REVOLUTION IS COMING SOON AND THE SO-FANCIED SOVEREIGN NATIONAL CONFERENCE WON'T BE HAPPENING SOON MEANING KEY ISSUES TO BE AMENDED IN THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT FEASIBLE 4 NOW SO CHANGE UR WAYS TO CONFORM WITH THE BEST PRACTISES THAT WILL HELP THIS SOCIETY BY OBEY THE EXISTING LAWS. Is that too hard to comprehend? |
| Re: We Can Succeed With The Worst Constitution - Fashola by jmaine: 10:31pm On Dec 27, 2012 |
solelymade: I don't fancy people who quote me then disappoint . . .Only the abrasively ignorant folk will say our current constitution doesn't need some serious overhauling exercise in order to cater for the exigencies of our present decaying polity . . . The federal character bullshyte and the immunity clause protecting the treasury looters from prosecution while serving are just subtle hints as to why the constitution needs to be appropriately tweaked, revamped and restructured . . . Choosing the side of Fashola doesn't invalidate his blunder of saying our constitution doesn't require some surgical exercises to make it stronger and fool proof . . . We need strong laws . . .as well as attitudinal change . .if you doubt look towards Fashola and learn what hypocrisy is all about . . . |
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