Logicboy...seriously, it would do you a world of good if you could just learn when to quit.

Right now we are talking about black men and their failures, stop trying to make this a black man vs black women thing. You bring women into it when you want to change the subject, are you hoping TOH's will jump in to defend you?

Plarp: Logicboy...seriously, it would do you a world of good if you could just learn when to quit.

nah, I just wanted to know more about you and see if you had solutions to certian issues facing blacks.


You are just another complainant with no solutions.

^This is getting a little pathetic. I made it quite clear that the solution is racial pride.

Plarp: ^This is getting a little pathetic. I made it quite clear that the solution is racial pride.

Racial pride?





I give up....goodbye, empty barrel

Yes racial pride.. we are back at square one, and the nigger has learned nothing. I bothered with this little debate so you guys could understand why i made this comment earlier;

Plarp: If i could nuke all of you and start a new black race i would do it

Worthless fux

The average black person is a dumbass, and that is why there is no solution to our problem.

Has anyone here seen reservior dogs?

Plarp: Has anyone here seen reservior dogs?

Yeah I've seen it. A very overrated film. Not one of his best, although a lot of people seem to think it is.

I came across two critical and somewhat negative reviews in the online New Yorker that offer interesting analyses of the movie, and which may explain why it was uncomfortable to watch at times:

www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/01/django-unchained-reviewed-tarantinos-crap-masterpiece.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/01/how-accurate-is-quentin-tarantinos-portrayal-of-slavery-in-django-unchained.html

Both articles offer an interesting take on some aspects of the movie that weren't obvious to me after seeing it. However, the article by Denby states that there were no slave fights organized by plantation owners in the south, which is definitely false. As someone pointed out in the comments section, the life of Tom Molineaux (a black bare-knuckle boxer who was a former slave) proves that such things did happen. Anyway, although I still like the movie, I do understand a bit better now why some people might dislike it.

PhysicsQED: I came across two critical and somewhat negative reviews in the online New Yorker that offer interesting analyses of the movie, and which may explain why it was uncomfortable to watch at times:

www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/01/django-unchained-reviewed-tarantinos-crap-masterpiece.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/01/how-accurate-is-quentin-tarantinos-portrayal-of-slavery-in-django-unchained.html

Both articles offer an interesting take on some aspects of the movie that weren't obvious to me after seeing it. However, the article by Denby states that there were no slave fights organized by plantation owners in the south, which is definitely false. As someone pointed out in the comments section, the life of Tom Molineaux (a black bare-knuckle boxer who was a former slave) proves that such things did happen. Anyway, although I still like the movie, I do understand a bit better now why some people might dislike it.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, there are somethings that are almost universal. In my opinion, there are only two people that can dislike Django unchianed

-a racist/slavery apologist
-a non-conformist

Logicboy03:



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, there are somethings that are almost universal. In my opinion, there are only two people that can dislike Django unchianed

-a racist/slavery apologist
-a non-conformist

Those seem to be three people. However, I think Django Unchained is pretty interesting!

all4naija: Those seem to be three people. However, I think Django Unchained is a pretty interesting!

You must be some annoying nitpicker in real life. I put only two types of people. A slavery apologist is a racist.

Logicboy03:


You must be some annoying nitpicker in real life. I put only two types of people. A slavery apologist is a racist.

Annoying what?! You must be veiled while writing your comment like a blind man. A racist can be somebody who is not a slavery apologist as well. Dude!!

all4naija: Annoying what?! You must be veiled while writing your comment like a blind man. A racist could be somebody who is not a slavery apologist as well. Dude!!

Stop nitpicking. I know why I wrote it that way. This is what happens when people have arrogance and huge egos. You could have asked why I classified it as a two not three.


"Racist" is the category. A slavery apologist would be a sub-category or a reason.

Non-conformist is a category. An anarchist would be a sub-catgeory or reason.

Logicboy03:

Stop nitpicking. I know why I wrote it that way. This is what happens when people have arrogance and huge egos. You could have asked why I classified it as a two not three.


"Racist" is the category. A slavery apologist would be a sub-category or a reason.

Non-conformist is a category. An anarchist would be a sub-catgeory or reason.

Dude, get your head checked. You are the one with the f**king ego here. You called me annoying nitpicking for no reason. If you are so clueless about the difference between racist and slavery apologist why not look it up somewhere on-line and make correction. I never disagreed with you in your previous comment. I only make it clear they seem to be three people. I don't know what your outburst is all about. So, you are the one with ego all rather manners here.

all4naija: Dude, get your head checked. You are the one with the f**king ego here. You called me annoying nitpicking for no reason. If you are so clueless about the difference between racist and slavery apologist why not look it up somewhere on-line and make correction. I never disagreed with you in your previous comment. I only make it clear they seem to be three people. I don't know what your outburst is all about. So, you are the one with ego all rather manners here.

@ bold, that is where your problem started. You saw me make two clear categories and you still went a head to nitpick. You saw two billet points didnt you?

Or did you assume that i couldnt tell the difference between 2 and 3?

Logicboy03:


@ bold, that is where your problem started. You saw me make two clear categories and you still went a head to nitpick. You saw two billet points didnt you?

Or did you assume that i couldnt tell the difference between 2 and 3?

Keep begging the question and looking for where to find fault in me so that you can lash out on me. The problem with you is mannerism. You show here that you are being childish.

all4naija: Keep begging the question and looking for where to find fault in me so that you can lash out on me. The problem with you is mannerism. You show here that you are being childish.

lolz......I agree that I was a bit harsh in replying to your first comment but erm.....erm.....are you going to admit to your nitpicking?

Logicboy03:

lolz......I agree that I was a bit harsh in replying to your first comment but erm.....erm.....are you going to admit to your nitpicking?

NO! I am not! That is your problem here.

all4naija: NO! I am not! That is your problem here.

Okay, if thats how you see it, no problem.


At least we both enjoyed Django

all4naija: NO! I am not! That is your problem here.

Dont mind logicboy... hes just a silly little kid

PhysicsQED:

Yeah I've seen it. A very overrated film. Not one of his best, although a lot of people seem to think it is.

I saw it yesterday and thought it was an absolute masterpiece, it completely changed the way i look at Quinten Tarantino. The guys a genious. That has got to be one the best, most realistic crime movies ive ever seen.

But what struck me was the insane amount of times he used the word 'nigger' ... litterally 20 times in a movie that only had 1 black character wtf!? The characters were making fun of black people thoughout the entire movie, for absolutely no reason. " You've got you a$$ so pumped full of nigger s.emen in prison that its gotten into your brain and now its comming out of your mouth" hilarious as always, but still....

The dude obviously has some racial issues, i wasn't sure before but i'm positive now.

Plarp: I saw it yesterday and thought it was an absolute masterpiece, it completely changed the way i look at Quinten Tarantino. The guys a genious. That has got to be one the best, most realistic crime movies ive ever seen.

But what struck me was the insane amount of times he used the word 'nigger' ... litterally 20 times in a movie that only had 1 black character wtf!? The characters were making fun of black people thoughout the entire movie, for absolutly no reason. " youve got you ass so pumped full of nigger semen that its gotten into your brain and is comming out of your mounth" hilarious as always, but still why?

The dude obviously has some racial issues, i wasn't sure before but i'm positive now.

Sorry, the story is about NIGGAS. There is nothing wrong in the numbers of time the N-word was used.

all4naija: Sorry, the story is about NIGGAS. There is nothing wrong in the numbers of time the N-word was used.

im not talking about django unchained, im talking about his other movies; "Resuvior dogs, and "Pulp fiction"

Both movies use the N word an excessive amount, and have nothing to do with black people.

Plarp: im not talking about django unchained, im talking about his other movies; "Resuvior dogs, and "Pulp fiction"

Both movies use the N word an excessive amount, and have nothing to do with black people.

I haven't seen those two movies you mentioned though. I respect Quentin Tarantino's idea somehow. His ideas seem to be able to break barriers and go straight to the point.

Plarp: I saw it yesterday and thought it was an absolute masterpiece, it completely changed the way i look at Quinten Tarantino. The guys a genious. That has got to be one the best, most realistic crime movies ive ever seen.

But what struck me was the insane amount of times he used the word 'nigger' ... litterally 20 times in a movie that only had 1 black character wtf!? The characters were making fun of black people thoughout the entire movie, for absolutely no reason. " You've got you a$$ so pumped full of nigger s.emen in prison that its gotten into your brain and now its comming out of your mouth" hilarious as always, but still....

The dude obviously has some racial issues, i wasn't sure before but i'm positive now.

From watching all of Tarantino's films one thing I had previously thought about those kinds of scenes was that maybe he makes the villains racist or makes the bad guys look racist to highlight or draw attention to the racism so that it makes them unlikeable, and so that we don't sympathize with them too much if something bad happens to them or they get killed off. But looking back on it now I think that that's not really the motivation and there's a different motivation for most of those kind of scenes - realism. Depicting characters that are bad people - whether criminals or bigots - or people who just don't care about saying offensive things (when talking among themselves) as they are instead of making them "politically correct".

In Reservoir Dogs their racially insensitive statements make them look like they are people who flout society's conventions, which is fitting because they are on the margins of society - they're criminals, after all, and they are neither sensitive about what they say about other people nor are they "proper" in their behavior and outlook. Basically, they don't give a damn because they're gangsters (except for the undercover cop, but he has to act like them to fit in), and gangsters aren't usually politically correct and don't care about race relations, etc. They just say whatever they feel, even if it's offensive - if you watch Goodfellas or watch some episodes of the Sopranos it becomes pretty obvious that the racist statements of some of the characters are in there for realism too, so depicting gangsters or other (morally) bad characters as racist isn't just limited to Tarantino.

Now in the beginning of Reservoir Dogs, when they're having that discussion about tips, one of the guys says something like "even a Jew wouldn't refuse to give that tip" (a $1 tip, if I recall), and it doesn't feel like an out of place comment, because the viewer knows that (non-Jewish) gangsters aren't going to give a damn about anti-semitism or not being in the good graces of the ADL - they're just going to say what they feel and talk sh1t and if they happen to repeat a few stereotypes along the way, so be it. Yet we (the viewers) know or are supposed to know, that Tarantino obviously doesn't have any problem with Jews - in fact, Harvey Keitel (one of the stars of the film) is Jewish, and I think there were some other Jewish people involved in casting or some other aspects of the film - but as a filmmaker he would leave that character's offensive comment implying that Jews are cheap and stingy in there just for the realism. Similarly in Pulp Fiction, the use of "gooks" as a slur for Asians by some of the characters is obviously not there because Tarantino has some kind of problem with Asians - in fact it's clear from his later work that he's a fan of some Asian cultures (Chinese and Japanese) or some aspects of those cultures. The characters in that movie use the word "gook" because they're not the kind of people who in real life would care about whether or not they offend Asians. They would just say that stuff regardless.

On Reservoir Dogs being a masterpiece, I don't really think so, but I know that there are a lot of people that would disagree with my opinion.

Reservoir Dogs is just okay to me. I wasn't amazed by it or anything, but I guess that's just me. People are of course, going to have different tastes - for example, I thought Inglourious Basterds was really great and you hated it, so obviously there are different things that appeal to us even in movies by the same director.

If you want to watch some really good crime based movies, I recommend the following:

1. Miller's Crossing - this is definitely a masterpiece. Still one of my favorite movies ever.
2. City of God
3. The Usual Suspects
4. Donnie Brasco
5. Blood Simple
6. Heat (with Pacino and De Niro)
7. Once Upon a Time in America
8. Road to Perdition
9. Snatch
10. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
11. Clockers
12. Inside Man
13. The Departed
14. Public Enemies
15. The Untouchables
16. Carlito's Way
17. Casino
18. Touch of Evil (this is old and in black and white, but it's still great)
19. Fargo
20. Fresh
21. Dead Presidents
22. Blow
23. Eastern Promises
24. No Country for Old Men
25. Get Carter

And of course better known classics like Scarface, the Godfather movies, and Goodfellas I would put somewhere on my list as well.

I'm not saying all of the movies on that list above are better than Reservoir Dogs, but most of them are, in my opinion. In fact, maybe it's because I had already seen so many great crime based movies that I wasn't that impressed with Reservoir Dogs.

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@PhysicsQED

I enjoy science fiction, horror, epic,etc movies. I haven't seen more than two of those movies. I think I am a young movies enthusiast when compared to you. I will try and check them out on the market. I don't enjoy very old movies though.

Plarp: Dont mind logicboy... hes just a silly little kid

wow.....on some serious haterade there!

all4naija: @PhysicsQED

I enjoy science fiction, horror, epic,etc movies. I haven't seen more than two of those movies. I think I am a young movies enthusiast when compared to you. I will try and check them out on the market. I don't enjoy very old movies though.

It's not like I'm really that much of movie enthusiast or anything, it's just that I happen to really like that film genre (crime/mobster/gangster/etc. films). If you asked me about what I thought the best sports movies were, or the best biographical movies, or the best historical movies, I would be clueless, because I haven't really seen that many movies in those genres. But I also like science fiction and horror movies and I've seen my fair share of good movies in those genres as well.

Logicboy03:


wow.....on some serious haterade there!

So thats what you youngsters call the 'truth' now ...eh?

Pleep, have you ever thought of Pulp Fiction as a "white supremacist" movie? That might seem like a bizarre question, but I came across something that makes that claim.

I was thinking about what you said about Tarantino having some racial issues, and I was searching around a few hours ago and I came across two things:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=229337

http://racism-notes..com/2009/05/pulp-fiction-gooks-slopes-niggers-jules.html

The first site is just a discussion on some forum among what seems like mostly white posters on Tarantino and the n word. A few of the comments are interesting.

The second site is a blog devoted to exposing subtle or overt white supremacist ideas and/or behavior. I've come across it before, but just read a few things and moved on - some of his entries are interesting and I agree with some of them, but sometimes it seems like he's reaching. Anyway, it has a brief entry on Tarantino and Pulp Fiction. The blog claims Pulp Fiction is a subliminally white supremacist movie. It seems like the guy is reading a bit too much into the (crazy) storyline and dialogue and ignoring some aspects of the movie that wouldn't sit well with a real white supremacist, but I wonder if he's right to some extent and there's something deeper that he's seeing that I missed both times I watched it. As a self-described "racism expert" what's your verdict on this idea of Pulp Fiction as a subtly white supremacist movie?