[size=18pt]30) The demise of the good infidel[/size]
According to mainstream Christianity and Islam, rejection of God means hell on judgement day. The problem with this theology is that it places faith over what people do with their life on earth. Religions with such theology can not claim to promote a better life for people on earth because the main focus is on faith and it is irrelevant if a faithless person saves the whole world, he or she is still living a bad life that will be punished in hell.

[size=18pt]31) A problem of non-altruistic religious charity; Evangelism isnt selfless[/size]

[size=14pt]Altruism

1. Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.[/size]

Religious charity can not be considered altruistic when there is evagelism tied to it. There are some christian and muslim organisations that mix proselytizing and charity work together. This shows an ulterior motive rather than a true selfless wish to help the less privileged

In short, the religious charity is saying "you are receiving this help from our God/religion, he is choosing to help you now and so believe in it"

[size=18pt]32) Problems with Jesus's crucifixion #1; God can not die/no sacrifice[/size]

Some Christians hold that Jesus is God. If Jesus is truly God, then he cannot die. The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross then becomes meaningless because in reality, Jesus did not lose anything, he merely changed back from his human form to spirit form. Furthermore, he came back in his human form in 3 days according to the bible.

[size=18pt]33) Problems with Jesus's crucifixion #2; Suicide is a sin[/size]
Christianity holds that suicide is a sin (murder- murdering yourself). However, Jesus knew of his impending demise at the cross, yet, he allowed himself to be betrayed, captured and crucified. Suicide by assisted crucifixion. Jesus could have avoided the crucifixion but still followed through with the betrayal of Judas.

[size=18pt]34) Problems with Jesus's crufixion #3; Forgiveness without sacrifice[/size]

Was Jesus's death really that necessary? God could not forgive the whole world just like that? A sacrifice was necessary?

The sacrifice not only ruined Jesus's life but that of Judas who was predestined to betray Jesus. There is also Mary, who must have been saddened by losing her son.

One has to think of the message that the bible is sending. God, in his almighty omnipotence and omniscience, could not fathom out a way to forgive humankind of their sins that did not involve the torture and death of an innocent man called Jesus Christ?

[size=18pt]35) Simple reasons why the Abrahamic religions should not legislate over the sanctity of marriage[/size]

-Marriage existed in other cultures and religions before these three religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) existed

-There is incest in their holy books (see argument 34)

-Their prophets had insane numbers of wives; Muhammad- 12 and Solomon- 700

-Divorce happens in both secular and religious marriages; no one has the high ground.

[size=18pt]36) Another paradoxical problem with omniscience[/size]

We agree that a "married bachelor" can not exist because it is contradictory and self-refuting. An omniscient God is self-refuting and contradictory.

-Omniscience means knowing all things

If God knows everything, then he can not forget. However, that would also mean that he can't experience deja vu- he would always know where he got his experiences from. However, this then means that God does not know how it really feels to experience a moment of deja vu

[size=18pt]37) A problem of many gods in monotheistic religions[/size]

The Abrahamic faiths are monotheistic with the claim that there is one true God but there are instances where other gods are mentioned. Is it that there are other gods which the true God knows?

For instance
-The bible says; Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me."

-The bible says; Psalm 82:1 "God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the "gods"

-In islam, Muhammad's father was a pagan named Abdallah (meaning slave of god).

[size=18pt]38) Is God afraid of modern technology?[/size]

Some religious people claim that they talk to God or see him in visions or dreams or he leaves signs. In christianity, God wrote the commandments on a stone tablet.

However, God doesnt send text messages or emails or calls nowadays. Why is God so old school? It makes one skeptical of God. He never reveals himself in identifiable ways. God prefers to reveal himself in subjective and unverifiable ways like dreams and visions, which could easily be chalked up to hallucinations.

negativecreep:
Your ignorance is bliss , "rock" on, u will see the light , for yet again, keep on preaching your "non understanding" u only "fooling" yourself , for who are u, I do not know u , depart from me , for your ignorance is bliss , for u do not know the "way" of the "lord" and neither do u "understand" , you stand under with "them" rather "stand" with me and I "show" u the way , have faith in me for that light in u is "dark" and how "dark" is that light for ignorance is bliss and bliss is "darker" than that "light" of the "way" let him who have eyes and see , for him who have ears don't hear and neither do they see, for all these "things" have come to pass , the "end" is but not yet for that "flash" of light is yet to come for these parables of "mine" are ready and ready they are to "reap" what has been "sown" for I have them of "mine" that shall "see" the "father" and the "father" will be with them and there will be screaming and wailing and gashing of teeth, for u do "not" know the "father" for u do not "see" and yet again neither do u "understand" these parables of "mine" oh "a" men with little "faith".

Bonetoy:




I have explained in an earlier post that God does not give us definite proof of his existence for a reason. If we all knew that God existed and there was no doubt, then all those who would be thieves, murders, and cheaters would fake being good because they know God is real. God does not want us to be good because he tells us to be good. He wants us to be good because it's what we want to do.

negativecreep:
What's wrong "bonetoy" cat got your tongue he he he he

Weah96:

Every cell in my body was custom-made by the God, who also designed the environment with which those cells would eventually interact. If that's not the Matrix, then I don't know what is.

Bonetoy:


If that is what you truly believe I won't tell you otherwise because I do not have definite proof that we are not just brains in a jar.

[size=18pt]41) Beware of the thought police[/size]
In the Abrahamic faiths, God knows what is in your mind and knows if you are a good or bad person. Apparently God has no sense of privacy.

Christianity takes this to the extreme- Jesus makes thinking about sex a sin;
-"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5;28

The problem with thought policing is that humans cant control their thoughts all the time. We naturally think of good and bad scenarios when faced with possibilities. If one sees a beautiful person on the street, how did the looker know that the person was beatiful in the first place? According to Jesus, your unavoidable instinct is a sin.

39) A problem of evolution and the Abrahamic faiths

The Abrahamic religions state that God created man from earth/sand/water/mud in the beginning. However, human evolution shows that humans evolved from other animals.

This has forced many adherents of the Abrahamic faiths to reject evolution. Howver, evolution is the science and it remains a valid scientific theory. This has resulted in court battles where schools in the USA had to go to court to ge the right to teach evolution in the past.

Evolution and the Abrahamic faith's creation theology are incompatible despite the attempt at reforms to accept a theistic evolution.

[size=18pt]40) A case of a slow God for the big bang and an instant God for religion[/size]


Many theists argue that God caused the big bang (a cosmic god). However, in the Abrahamic faith, God is omnipotent and does things instantaneously. He flooded the whole earth with rain, he created the sun in four seconds (let there be light) and he sent plagues to the Egyptians. Cosmic God is different

Cosmic God chose to wait billions of years (about 14) to create the world we live in today instead of doing it in the blink of an eye since he can create something out of nothing. He had to create the big slam and wait for billions of years for the solar system to come up and then wait for millions of years for humans to appear. This is the equivalent of using a cup to fill a swimming pool with water that will take you about a week instead of using a hose that would take some few hours.

[size=18pt]42) The problem of making scientific claims without scientific evidence[/size]

God created the big slam

There is scientific evidence for the big slam but none for God. God is timeless, invisible, matterless, spaceless etc. God cant be tested with science. Every being we know is defined by time, space and matter.

There is no equation for God in the big bang. Hanging God on the big bang is nothing more than a God of the gaps argument to solve the question of "what came before the big bang"?

Sweetnecta:
I easily could have approached your issue about God not coming out of nothing with a question about the source of gentle breeze or wind that you feel. I will leave this and others for your mind to ponder. Per chance it may dawn on you. The Ultimate Source does not have to have a source but Himself is the Source of all. It is not necessary that He is of the same nature of what He is the Source of, regardless of how He varied them into many.


I am a muslim. Thats is my religion. My ethnicity is different. What makes me a muslim are sets of ordained laws and rules and duties.

What will make a person a jew in terms of his religion is not because he is an ethnic jew. Religion is completely different from ethnicity. What i will like to know from this op is how is Jesus a jew in his religion? Tell me what the jewish religion entails in worship, etc and fit that on Jesus. Tell me if you can, even though you are not arguing that Jesus is a Christian, if anyone is following Jesus in matters of religion, should they not imitate how Jesus worshiped; standing, bowing prostrating, in prescribed hours during the day and in some part of the night?

Neither Moses [or any prophet] nor Jesus was Jew or Christian in religion. They were all muslims as they stood, bowed and prostrated in worship of God. We muslims do this today, tomorrow and forever, till the last muslim on earth will die.

[size=18pt]1) The fundamental atheist argument[/size]

Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of God(s)


The fundamental argument for atheism is that there is no evidence or proof for God. There is no solid or tangible evidence for God nor a logical argument for God. The existence of God is taken on faith and not by evidence.