Atheist:-D:
No one is gonna answer you .

They dont like difficult topics

Paris_Love: Lol, have a little 'faith'. if they could be worried about 'sexualiazation' of infidel women in the west, surely they would be more than willing to correct this injustice done against their women...hopefully ~

Stalwert: They probably got their inspiration from the following:

City Rape
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed
unto an husband, and a man find her in
the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall
bring them both out unto the gate of
that city, and ye shall stone them with
stones that they die; the damsel,
because she cried not, being in the
city. -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24



Country Rape
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in
the field, and the man force her, and
lie with her: then the man only that lay
with her shall die. ... For he found her
in the field, and the betrothed damsel
cried, and there was none to save her.
-- Deuteronomy 22:25-27


Of an unbetrothed virgin
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin,
which is not betrothed, and lay hold on
her, and lie with her, and they be
found; Then the man that lay with her
shall give unto the damsel's father fifty
shekels of silver, and she shall be his
wife; because he hath humbled her, he
may not put her away all his days. --
Deuteronomy 22:28-29


Of prisoners of war
And Moses said unto them, Have ye
saved all the women alive? ... Now
therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman that
hath known man by lying with him. But
all the women children, that have not
known a man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. -- Numbers
31:15-18

bigmanahmad: Praise be to Allaah.
The Arabic word ightisaab refers to taking something wrongfully by force. It is now used exclusively to refer to transgression against the honour of women by force (rape). 

This is an abhorrent crime that is forbidden in all religions and in the minds of all wise people and those who are possessed of sound human nature.

All earthly systems and laws regard this action as abhorrent and impose the strictest penalties on it, except a few states which waive the punishment if the rapist marries his victim! This is indicative of a distorted mind let alone a lack of religious commitment on the part of those who challenge Allaah in making laws.

Islam has a clear stance which states that this repugnant action is haraam and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.

Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit this crime. Western studies have shown that most rapists are already criminals who commit their crimes under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places, or staying in the house alone. These studies also show that what the criminals watch on the media and the semi-naked styles of dress in which women go out, also lead to the commission of this reprehensible crime.

The laws of Islam came to protect women's honour and modesty. Islam forbids women to wear clothes that are not modest and to travel without a mahram; it forbids a woman to shake hands with a non-mahram man. Islam encourages young men and women to marry early, and many other rulings which close the door to rape.

Hence it comes as no surprise when we hear or read that most of these crimes occur in permissive societies which are looked up to by some Muslims as examples of civilization and refinement! In America – for example – International Amnesty stated in a 2004 report entitled “Stop Violence Against Women” that every 90 seconds a woman was raped during that year. What kind of life are these people living? What refinement and civilization do they want the Muslim women to take part in? 

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married. 

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr to the woman.

And Allaah knows best

Paris_Love: [s][/s]

Ok so where is the punishment in the quran?

bigmanahmad: Hadd punishment means

Stalwert: we really wonder what you have to say

Paris_Love: Lol, have a little 'faith'. if they could be worried about 'sexualiazation' of infidel women in the west, surely they would be more than willing to correct this injustice done against their women...hopefully ~

BetaThings:



Salaam

As you both know, among the forbidden things are
1. Sitting with or discussing with people who mock Allah and His messenger (PBUH). You cannot stop people who do so. So there is no reward for you in engaging them, you only expose yourselves to sin
2. Insulting those that non-muslims worship apart from Allah. We should not even mock their leaders
It is actually better to avoid responding to some posts/posters

May Allah guide us

rushda29:

The law is death for the rapist. Making the girl marry her rapist is not Islamic, it could be cultural. Making her marry him would be unjust to her and Allah hates injustice. I hope I've cleared up the confusion.

IbrahimB: @Paris Love
Hi. I don't really know if my reply to you will be of any use.

Actually there is no mention of the punishment of rape (specifically) in the Qurán.

But this in no way means that rape is not a crime as Islamic Jurisprudence is not based on the Qurán alone.

Authentic traditions of the Prophet are also valid sources of laws in Islam.

For example, the following are punishable in Islam but their punishment is not in the Qur'an:
1. Drinking Alcohol
2. Armed Robbery
3. Witch Craft

For these and other offences, Muslims make recourse to the Hadith. The vast body of Islamic Jurisprudence is to
be found in the Hadith. For example, there is no detailed description of how to observe the Salah (i.e prayer) in
the Qurán but it is the single most important act of worship for a muslim. The rites of the pilgrimage are to be
found in the Hadith as well and not the Qurán.

Adultery as you know is punishable in Islam by death or flogging. The rapist has already committed adultery of course
and as such is liable to the punishment that is due to the fornicator/ adulterer. In the very least.

In Islam, a man cannot have sex with a woman unless he pays her the dowry.[quote] That's not true, Muslim man can have sex with a woman he didn't pay dowry for. Right hand possess? [quote]That's probably why some of the Islamic
scholars believe the rapist should pay the woman the dowry money as well.

Probably, the reason why you opened this thread is 'what then is the punishment for the woman who has been raped'?

As bigmanahmad said, there is no punishment on the woman due to one of the most important sayings of the Prophet:

"Actions are judged according to intentions"

And how will rape not be punishable in Islam if merely accusing a woman (or man) of fornication, falsely, attracts a punishment of
80 lashes?

As such, I think your question should be 'What is the punishment of rape in Islam'.

IbrahimB: @Paris Love
Hi. I don't really know if my reply to you will be of any use.

Actually there is no mention of the punishment of rape (specifically) in the Qurán.

But this in no way means that rape is not a crime as Islamic Jurisprudence is not based on the Qurán alone.

Authentic traditions of the Prophet are also valid sources of laws in Islam.

For example, the following are punishable in Islam but their punishment is not in the Qur'an:
1. Drinking Alcohol
2. Armed Robbery
3. Witch Craft

For these and other offences, Muslims make recourse to the Hadith. The vast body of Islamic Jurisprudence is to
be found in the Hadith. For example, there is no detailed description of how to observe the Salah (i.e prayer) in
the Qurán but it is the single most important act of worship for a muslim. The rites of the pilgrimage are to be
found in the Hadith as well and not the Qurán.

Adultery as you know is punishable in Islam by death or flogging. The rapist has already committed adultery of course
and as such is liable to the punishment that is due to the fornicator/ adulterer. In the very least.

In Islam, a man cannot have sex with a woman unless he pays her the dowry.

That's probably why some of the Islamic
scholars believe the rapist should pay the woman the dowry money as well.

Probably, the reason why you opened this thread is 'what then is the punishment for the woman who has been raped'?

As bigmanahmad said, there is no punishment on the woman due to one of the most important sayings of the Prophet:

"Actions are judged according to intentions"

And how will rape not be punishable in Islam if merely accusing a woman (or man) of fornication, falsely, attracts a punishment of
80 lashes?

As such, I think your question should be 'What is the punishment of rape in Islam'.

Zhul-fiqar:
@paris-love
There is no explicit verse in the Quran specifying punishment for rape for two reasons:

1. Any illicit sex in Islam can be punished with up to death.so raping a woman can also take the death penalty as the action falls under illicit sex.

2. Islam does not recognize the mockery of wedlock designated in the west as "marital rape".in Islam,the couple should have sex.it is the man's right to be given sexual pleasure by his wife.otherwise,the man can commit adultery.for the good of the marriage and of society,good wives don't use sex as a weapon against their husbands for every misunderstanding.if the man comes to the level of reaching out to his wife in bed after misunderstanding,that should be seen as reconciliatory gesture,and the couple should make up.if the man is very evil for the woman to justify and use sex as a weapon,then she have no reason to share the same bed with him.she should leave.

Paris_Love: WHY?

Paris_Love: All the crimes you mentioned above is not the same with molestation

Paris_Love: Like marry her?

Paris_Love: Could You point out the punishment in the hadith?

Paris_Love: Using that logic the victim would be punished too, which is more often the case in muslim countries.

Paris_Love: Ok, what is it?

Stalwert: They probably got their inspiration from the following:

City Rape
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed
unto an husband, and a man find her in
the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall
bring them both out unto the gate of
that city, and ye shall stone them with
stones that they die; the damsel,
because she cried not, being in the
city. -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24



Country Rape
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in
the field, and the man force her, and
lie with her: then the man only that lay
with her shall die. ... For he found her
in the field, and the betrothed damsel
cried, and there was none to save her.
-- Deuteronomy 22:25-27


Of an unbetrothed virgin
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin,
which is not betrothed, and lay hold on
her, and lie with her, and they be
found; Then the man that lay with her
shall give unto the damsel's father fifty
shekels of silver, and she shall be his
wife; because he hath humbled her, he
may not put her away all his days. --
Deuteronomy 22:28-29


Of prisoners of war
And Moses said unto them, Have ye
saved all the women alive? ... Now
therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman that
hath known man by lying with him. But
all the women children, that have not
known a man by lying with him, keep
alive for yourselves. -- Numbers
31:15-18

Paris_Love: Where in your own religion? Can you provide any verse from the Quraan? Yes all man made laws has punishment for this kind crime except that of Allah. Quran is the only book of law that has no punishment for rape as you've shown in your both posts. If islam stance is clear why don't save us all this lecture and just quote the verse from Quran? So in your twisted mind any girl that dresses like that is asking to get raped? The girls in Islamic countries that were raped, were they dressing semi-naked as well? I didn't ask you the cause, i asked where is the punishment from Quran? Isn't that great? Once you're not wearing the overflowing tent you're asking to get raped. And Allah in his infinite wisdom countered it infringing women's right to freedom of movement, association and advocating child marriage. Marriage to a 9year old is that rape? Can a child give consent to sex?  Nobody is asking your women to take part in any civilization. America unlike your civilized muslim countries doesn't punish women for being rape victims. The punishment for rape is clearly stated out in their constitution where is it in the Quran? basically what we've is the opinion of some scholars huh? why you couldn't even find a single verse in the Quran dealing with this matter? Does Allah believe that rape of women is not important to address? does he?

Paris_Love: Where in your own religion? Can you provide any verse from the Quraan? Yes all man made laws has punishment for this kind crime except that of Allah. Quran is the only book of law that has no punishment for rape as you've shown in your both posts. If islam stance is clear why don't save us all this lecture and just quote the verse from Quran? So in your twisted mind any girl that dresses like that is asking to get raped? The girls in Islamic countries that were raped, were they dressing semi-naked as well? I didn't ask you the cause, i asked where is the punishment from Quran? Isn't that great? Once you're not wearing the overflowing tent you're asking to get raped. And Allah in his infinite wisdom countered it infringing women's right to freedom of movement, association and advocating child marriage. Marriage to a 9year old is that rape? Can a child give consent to sex?  Nobody is asking your women to take part in any civilization. America unlike your civilized muslim countries doesn't punish women for being rape victims. The punishment for rape is clearly stated out in their constitution where is it in the Quran? basically what we've is the opinion of some scholars huh? why you couldn't even find a single verse in the Quran dealing with this matter? Does Allah believe that rape of women is not important to address? does he?

IbrahimB: 1.
I don't know.

2.
Indeed witchcraft, alcoholism, armed-robbery and r.ape are not the same things. And I never mentioned that they were. You missed my point. And I wouldn't want to go into a debate between which is more hateful before God between r.ape and witchcraft. My point was just to highlight that not all crimes have their punishment mentioned in the Qurán.

3.
No. Giving the dowry money is to serve as a financial penalty. For the scholars who hold that view.

4.
"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (r.aped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah. When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366)"

bigmanahmad: Praise be to Allaah.
Rape is essentially zina (fornication or adultery) and is proven in the same way as zina is proven, which is with four witnesses. The punishment is one hundred lashes if the man was a virgin and stoning if he was previously married.

5.
You probably didn't read my reply in full. Actions, as mentioned in a hadith are judged according to intentions. In Islam, there is no punishment when one is forced to do something under duress.

6.
Please see the Hadith quoted in (4).

Zhul-fiqar:
@paris-love
There is no explicit verse in the Quran specifying punishment for rape for two reasons:

1. Any illicit sex in Islam can be punished with up to death.so raping a woman can also take the death penalty as the action falls under illicit sex.

2. Islam does not recognize the mockery of wedlock designated in the west as "marital rape".in Islam,the couple should have sex.it is the man's right to be given sexual pleasure by his wife.otherwise,the man can commit adultery.for the good of the marriage and of society,good wives don't use sex as a weapon against their husbands for every misunderstanding.if the man comes to the level of reaching out to his wife in bed after misunderstanding,that should be seen as reconciliatory gesture,and the couple should make up.if the man is very evil for the woman to justify and use sex as a weapon,then she have no reason to share the same bed with him.she should leave.

Paris_Love: Ok
I'm made to believe that any hadith that contradicts the Quran should be considered a fabricate and should be discarded as not being authentic.
Surah2:282 And call in to witness fromamong your men two witnesses; but if there arenot two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other;
According to this verse the testimony of a woman is half and cannot be accepted,so how can Muhammad go against the dictates of the Quran?

Paris_Love: Even the Hadiths you used, are considered weak and you wouldn't even accept them if they put up a particular argument against Islam.

Paris_Love: There are no quotes from Bukhari or Muslim, which are considered the most authentic Hadiths in Islam.