Goshen360:

My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS. I read it from side-line last night while in bed but I couldn't reply because it was sleep o'clock. How can you say something like this? The reason we fellowship together and scrutinize one another is to stem wrong teachings. The Bereans did same to Apostle Paul. Like Mr. Anony said, this your teaching is wrong bro. Yes, I'm not a law teacher and the strength of sin is the law but Grace however is not a license to continue to sin but Grace is empowerment NOT to continue to sin.

How can you say s.ex without marriage (cannot be sin) is NOT fornication just because someone is in Christ? A Christian can sin even when such is in Christ, that is, it's possible for a Christian to sin (miss the mark or go off the mark or track) when in Christ but we don't GO ON SINNING. The Corinthians Christian, some while in Christ even sleep with their father's wife etc. That doesn't mean they're not Christians anymore but they missed the mark and committed se.xual immorality. When did Apostle Paul, a Grace preacher tell them it's not sin?

okeyxyz:

Everything you write above is all abstract, but you have not nailed it down to reality...

A christian is simply someone who is free from sin through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For the law which condemns us of sin are now abolished. With the law no longer in the way, so likewise is sin no longer in the way.
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law(1 Corinthians 15:56 );

It is impossible for you to sin.
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God(1 john 3:9 )

Therefore All-Things you used to think were sins(makes you unworthy of godhood) are no longer sins, and you are set free to go as you please. So se.x without marriage cannot be sin, drinking alcohol cannot be sin, gambling cannot be sin, smoking cannot be sin, etc
...FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS(1 Corinthians 10:26 )

You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify(1 Corinthians 10:23 )

but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin.

Goshen360:

My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS. I read it from side-line last night while in bed but I couldn't reply because it was sleep o'clock. How can you say something like this? The reason we fellowship together and scrutinize one another is to stem wrong teachings. The Bereans did same to Apostle Paul. Like Mr. Anony said, this your teaching is wrong bro. Yes, I'm not a law teacher and the strength of sin is the law but Grace however is not a license to continue to sin but Grace is empowerment NOT to continue to sin.

How can you say s.ex without marriage (cannot be sin) is NOT fornication just because someone is in Christ? A Christian can sin even when such is in Christ, that is, it's possible for a Christian to sin (miss the mark or go off the mark or track) when in Christ but we don't GO ON SINNING. The Corinthians Christian, some while in Christ even sleep with their father's wife etc. That doesn't mean they're not Christians anymore but they missed the mark and committed se.xual immorality. When did Apostle Paul, a Grace preacher tell them it's not sin?

Goshen360: ^

Hey, 1,000,000,000,000,000 LIKES for you!

OmG, moredendisc,

Take my HUG ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Our brother Okeyxyz is going near error and we must attempt to reason scriptures with him in the Spirit of Truth and brotherhood.

moredendisc:



I was posting after the above (i.e. "My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS) but retracted before submitting

Only decided to re-posting seeing that Goshen360 had done a follow to "My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS"

It becomes obvious where okeyxyz is coming from when reading, carefully okeyxyz's post

Okeyxyz's post is almost right, the exceptions to almost right, are one or two wrongs where bible translations (e.g. 1 John 3:9 KJV) have mistakes and were mistranslated

Until when all "Thou Shall Not . . . " are taken away & God stops issuing it, there will always be the opportunity or chance to sin.

The new found Christian freedom is actually similar to be taken back to Eden and back to Eve

It is a case of back to square one and a similar setting to "All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify"

and like with Eve, now "You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,"

It is important to bear in mind that the law "Thou Shall Not . . . " (i.e. aase - word which proceeded from God, the King's mouth) was before sin & that sin is disobedience

and this beautifully stated verse"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law" - 1 Corinthians 15:56

Disobeying the law (i.e. word(s) proceeding from God's mouth) leads to getting stung with or by a sharply-pointed object called sin,

and the poison or venom in the sting/sin has a strength or power of killing (i.e. the end product of sin is death)

It is important to understand

1)What "practicing sin" (i.e. committing sin regularly or breaking laws regularly) means,
2)What is sin or what sin means

The understanding(s) will clarify whether or not "It is impossible for Christians you to sin"

Of course, Christians are capable of sinning. God knows this and His expectation is that they stop from continually sinning gradually and eventually albeit via/with grace

If or when Christians do sin, then Hebrews 4:16 is available.

"It is impossible for you to sin" is an error and has 1 John 3:9 KJV to blame for that, it should had being translated correctly as:

"Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God."

No one wants to admit having bad kids, all like to believe their kids are good and butter wont melt in their mouths etc etc

and that such good kids are prone to or occasionally do bad things, so it doesn't necessarily mean they are BAD children.

They are Christians good kids that occasionally do bad things

Remorse or repentance after bad act(s) is the ticket back into loving warm and welcoming hands

Christians have Grace to assist or stop them continuing doing bad things

"but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin" is an error too - Eve can testify to this

The serpent spun a similar line like that to Eve too saying ". . . you shall be as gods",

after which Eve was then left to her senses; the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life,

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

We always had and have grace, grace was in Eden back then and so is now.

Birds do not struggle to fly, they fly gracefully.

Christians too should not be struggling with/at anything but be abound with grace

The grace factor is presented again for Christians to live life effortlessly

and when/if Christians do slip, then Hebrews 4:16 states:

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need"

moredendisc:
Birds do not struggle to fly, they fly gracefully.

Christians too should not be struggling with/at anything but be abound with grace

The grace factor is presented again for Christians to live life effortlessly

and when/if Christians do slip, then Hebrews 4:16 states:

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need"

Boomark:

1 John 1:9-10
New International Version (NIV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is
faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all
unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we
have not sinned, we make him out
to be a liar and his word is not in
us.

1jn 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin; and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.

I hope you believe John wrote this to Christians not heathen?

1 Tell us what sins he is asking Christians to confess and ask for its forgiveness.

2 He also said those that sin and claim they have no sin are liars. Why?

3 Why is he telling Christians that all unrighteousness is sin? Are these unrighteousness different from that of the world?

okeyxyz:

#This was an occasion of John trying to guide christians who were not well grounded in gospel. John simply rephrased the words of paul that "All things are lawful but not all things are profitable...". He called it sin instead of "unprofitable" because they were still "babes", not yet mature in the gospel and still have a conscience of sin/law, therefore needed to take the gospel one step at a time. But we can see from verse 18 that he goes on to reassert that anyone born of god CANNOT SIN...

I said it before that a christian is set completely free from the law. Therefore, nothing you do can take away your christianity, but it dosen't mean that you will get away from reckless behaviour. If you choose to rob a bank tomorrow, it is not sin, but know that your run the risk of being caught and...#ALUU4. But your christianity remains intact. For anyone that believes, NOTHING can take away your righteousness.

i.chuka:

Dude please do speak English.and stop confusing viewers

okeyxyz:

Everything you write above is all abstract, but you have not nailed it down to reality...

A christian is simply someone who is free from sin through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For the law which condemns us of sin are now abolished. With the law no longer in the way, so likewise is sin no longer in the way.
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law(1 Corinthians 15:56 );

It is impossible for you to sin.
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God(1 john 3:9 )

Therefore All-Things you used to think were sins(makes you unworthy of godhood) are no longer sins, and you are set free to go as you please. So se.x without marriage cannot be sin, drinking alcohol cannot be sin, gambling cannot be sin, smoking cannot be sin, etc
...FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS(1 Corinthians 10:26 )

You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify(1 Corinthians 10:23 )

but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin.

Goshen360:
Yes, I'm not a law teacher and the strength of sin is the law but Grace however is not a license to continue to sin but Grace is empowerment NOT to continue to sin.

How can you say s.ex without marriage (cannot be sin) is NOT fornication just because someone is in Christ? A Christian can sin even when such is in Christ, that is, it's possible for a Christian to sin (miss the mark or go off the mark or track) when in Christ but we don't GO ON SINNING. The Corinthians Christian, some while in Christ even sleep with their father's wife etc. That doesn't mean they're not Christians anymore but they missed the mark and committed se.xual immorality. When did Apostle Paul, a Grace preacher tell them it's not sin?

Goshen360:
My brother, I don't want you to be guilty of Jude 1:4 please,

New Living Translation
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God's marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.....

Christ (Grace) did NOT come to license believers to CONTINUE TO SIN JUST BECAUSE HE FULFILLED THE LAW, HE CAME TO EMPOWER BELIEVERS TO OVERCOME SIN AND NOT TO CONTINUE TO SIN BECAUSE HE (CHRIST, GRACE) HAD FULFILLED THE LAW IN WHICH THE LAW IS THE STRENGTH OF SIN. So, since the power of law was destroyed, Grace was GIVEN. That's why Hebrews says, He TOOK AWAY (minus, subtract) the first that He may ESTABLISH (add, plus, save) the second.

plappville:
WAOHH!!! THIS IS NEW TO ME........... WATCHING FROM SIDELINE.......................

i.chuka:

Nicely placed!!

okeyxyz:

My point is that sin is the act of trying to still keep the laws and commandments because they still dwell in your conscience, you have not fully excised yourself from the law. But for any christian is has achieved this, then it is impossible for him to sin. Take me for instance: I don't need marriage as a certificate to have s.ex with a woman, because what we call marriage today was a definition according to the law, though trying to imitate god but only in "shadows"...So when I break that law, I have not sinned because that law is dead to me.

okeyxyz:
#If we are in grace, then We are unable to sin because sin(The Law) no longer has a place in our hearts. This was the emphasis of Paul:
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?...(Romans 6:1-... )

How can we continue to sin when we are dead to sin? It is impossible!! It is no longer by effort that we are unable to sin but that sin no longer dwells in our conscience such that those things we used to regard as sin as defined by the law are no longer sin because the law is no longer valid.




Fornication means impure se.x, s.ex not done in the proper manner. The corinthian man tooks his father's wife, a woman legally married to another man, and without the man's consent, therefore was offensive both in a secular and spiritual perspective. But sex between two mutally consenting, unmarried adults CANNOT be sin. It is a gift, it is your nature to be enjoyed, your body demands it, etc.

okeyxyz:

Jude was talking about people who used the liberty of the gospel as excuse to indulge in their abuse of proper sense and wisdom. This is not what I am advocating. Yes, we are free from sin does not mean we can disregard propriety. There is still reward and punishment for the choices you make, Therefore Work out your salvation in fear and trembling..., There is a proper way to do everything under the sun, likewise there is an improper way and each has it's results whether for good or for bad. The important thing is that you are now responsible for your choices. There is moral s.ex which is s.ex between two consenting male and female..., of which taking another man's wife is not, neither is homo/bi-se.xuality, bestiality, etc.




I believe i have addressed this in my previous reply to you, through pauls teachings in romans 6:1-...

Goshen360:
I've decided to call my Christian brothers and sisters to what I called, sanctified Holy Ghost thinking and/or reasoning

truthislight:


" I love this pastor".

Please "minister to me"


"you are really in the spirit(ghost)"

"the ghost is flowing through you"





^^^

okeyxyz:

Yup!! Keep watching

plappville:

Hahahahaha...... you mouth close? You go fear gospel for NL....freedom to fornicate etc... am sure our unmarried brethren will be enjoying this thread...God have merci!!!

okeyxyz:

##Before I answer, I need to make you aware of "A Wisdom" here. First, you need to understand that there were two versions of Jesus when he walked the earth. The first version was the jesus who preached and kept The Law, because his mission was to come to "fulfill" the law. So until he fulfills it, he could not speak against this law. Then there was the jesus who spoke against the law, but because the law was still legally subsisting, He would speak in parables(hidden), thus not breaking the law that he came to "fulfill". So Jesus has since fulfilled this law by becoming the personification of the law and dying, and by dying, he has put the law to death, and this is the era of grace.

so to answer your questions:

##(1A) According to the law: Means what it says literaly

According to grace, Confess your sins means: renounce the law as your standard of righteousness, for the law itself is the sin.

##(2A) According to the law means what it says literally

According to grace Sin no more means: submit yourself to grace, not to sin(The law)


But christians today are still stuck-up to that "good" jesus who kept the law literally, but they fail to decode the revelations of his parables which was the real mission and true gospel. Thus Paul wrote that we no longer recognize that jesus of human morales:
Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer(2 Corinthians 5:16 ).

Remember when a certain ruler addressed Jesus as Good Teacher? What was jesus answer to him?
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone(Luke 18:19 ).

This would give you the idea that our morale standards of right is actually wrong in the eyes of god.

Mr_Anony:
Hmmm..........ok just to be clear that we are on the same page, I'll give a parable to illustrate what I know grace to be.

The Redemption of The Niger-Delta Militants

Once upon a time in Nigeria, a group of people rebelled against the Federal Government they were called the Niger-Delta militants. By taking to arms, they became enemies of the state.(Colosians 1:21)

During the time when they were enemies of the state, certain laws such as curfews and restriction of movement were made to keep them in check with the penalty of arrest or even death in some cases. (Galatians 3:23)

After a while, the Government granted amnesty to the militants and reconciled them to the Federal republic of Nigeria.(Romans 5:10)

The militants accepted this amnesty by renouncing their crimes, surrendering their arms and turning away from their rebellion.(Acts 3:19)

The restrictions that were placed upon them were promptly lifted. They were therefore freed from the bondage that comes with rebellion and walked into the freedom that comes with amnesty (Romans 6:14)

Having renounced their militancy, they became law abiding citizens of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (Romans 6:18)

Now that they had been forgiven by the Government, does it mean that militancy that used to be sin is no longer sin? Does amnesty mean that they are still free to take up arms if they choose to? Absolutely not. (Romans 6:15)



I hope the above serves for us as a good illustration of what it means to not be under Grace and not the Law.

I have prayerfully thought of how best to pass this message across and this is what God laid in my heart. There is a world of difference between freedom and anarchy.

If anyone doesn't quite understand what I laid out above or doesn't quite agree with it, please feel free to point out the parts where you find it troublesome.


I'll conclude with this;

For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:20-23


The Message bible renders verse 23 beautifully

Work hard for sin your whole life and your pension is death. But God's gift is real life, eternal life, delivered by Jesus, our Master.


For further research, please take out time to prayerfully study Romans 6.

Mr_Anony:
Hmmm..........ok just to be clear that we are on the same page, I'll give a parable to illustrate what I know grace to be.

The Redemption of The Niger-Delta Militants

Once upon a time in Nigeria, a group of people rebelled against the Federal Government they were called the Niger-Delta militants. By taking to arms, they became enemies of the state.(Colosians 1:21)

During the time when they were enemies of the state, certain laws such as curfews and restriction of movement were made to keep them in check with the penalty of arrest or even death in some cases. (Galatians 3:23)

After a while, the Government granted amnesty to the militants and reconciled them to the Federal republic of Nigeria.(Romans 5:10)

The militants accepted this amnesty by renouncing their crimes, surrendering their arms and turning away from their rebellion.(Acts 3:19)

The restrictions that were placed upon them were promptly lifted. They were therefore freed from the bondage that comes with rebellion and walked into the freedom that comes with amnesty (Romans 6:14)

Having renounced their militancy, they became law abiding citizens of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (Romans 6:18)

Now that they had been forgiven by the Government, does it mean that militancy that used to be sin is no longer sin? Does amnesty mean that they are still free to take up arms if they choose to? Absolutely not. (Romans 6:15)



I hope the above serves for us as a good illustration of what it means to not be under Grace and not the Law.

I have prayerfully thought of how best to pass this message across and this is what God laid in my heart. There is a world of difference between freedom and anarchy.

If anyone doesn't quite understand what I laid out above or doesn't quite agree with it, please feel free to point out the parts where you find it troublesome.


I'll conclude with this;

For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:20-23


The Message bible renders verse 23 beautifully

Work hard for sin your whole life and your pension is death. But God's gift is real life, eternal life, delivered by Jesus, our Master.


For further research, please take out time to prayerfully study Romans 6.

Candour:

Our problem in christianity isn't Boko Haram or secret cults but DANGEROUSLY FALSE DOCTRINES

may God help us

moredendisc:


"It is impossible for you to sin" is an error and has 1 John 3:9 KJV to blame for that, it should had being translated correctly as:

"Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God."

anukulapo:

@GOSHEN
Do you agree with moredendisc's view/modification of 1 John 3:9?

It sure makes sense to me but are we allowed to do such personally especially as it is not from any known and generally acceptable bible translation?

debosky: @ Anony

I agree with your parable, but not completely.

While yes, in essence, we've been saved by a unilateral 'amnesty' that God has provided, we need to be careful when defining what the 'sin'/'offence' was in the first place.

In your example it is clear that being a militant is against the 'law' - amnesty or no amnesty.

However, there are other 'laws' or OT practices which we would not deem 'sin' today - e.g. working on the sabbath, not giving first fruits, or wearing clothes with two fabrics and the like.

I agree - we are freed from the mindset of 'do this, don't do that' and become 'sons' - who by nature know what they should do and do it naturally, not out of rules compliance. The sometimes tricky aspect is defining what we should now 'know' by our very nature - here is where rightly dividing the word of truth (in this case the law) becomes vital.

Goshen360:

That's not moredendisc's modification o. Read other bible translations - that's where he got it from.

Goshen360:

That's not moredendisc's modification o. Read other bible translations - that's where he got it from.