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| Who Is Allah by Nobody: 10:00am On Jan 30, 2013 |
Allah: الله Allah is the proper name in Arabic for The One and Only God, The Creator and Sustainer of the universe. It is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for the God (Eloh-im in Hebrew; 'Allaha' in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus, pbuh). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender. Allah does not have any associate or partner, and He does not beget nor was He begotten. The Name Allah was not chosen by man but was revealed and referred to by all the Prophets (peace be on them). Allah was the God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham and all the other Prophets sent by him. The name “Allah” consists of two parts, “Al” which is the definitive article in Arabic and “ilah” which means an object to which subservience, love, reverence, and obedience is shown. Being a combination of these two parts, “Allah” signifies the one and only God, the one whom absolute love, reverence and obedience is shown. One misconception is that Allah is a new or different deity than that mentioned in the Bible or Torah. However, Arab Christians use this word too, and instead of the English word "God" it is Allah which is used in their bible, prayers and daily rituals. In fact, if they did not know English, they would not know who or what a "God" in the English sense was, as they are accustomed to the use of “Allah”. Nor do they use the word "Jesus", but the same word in Arabic for Jesus which is Isa. However, the Arab Christians share the same belief about God as other Christians around the world, i.e. that Jesus was his son and the incorrect belief in the Trinity. These beliefs are contrary to those of Islam. As Muslims, we believe that these beliefs are not what Jesus or Gods message in the Bible were intended to be. Allah is the same God that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus worshipped. Furthermore, Islam was the exact same message that was followed and taught by all the Prophets. And they are far from the erroneous and fabricated claims that the Christians and Jews make about them. {No son (or offspring or children) did Allâh beget, nor is there any ilâh (god) along with Him; (if there had been many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified be Allâh above all that they attribute to Him!} [Quran, 23:91] He is Allaah The First: Nothing is before Him. The Last: Nothing is After Him. The Most High: Nothing is Above Him. The Most Near: Nothing is beyond His Reach. He Begets Not, Nor was He Begotten. The Creator, Provider, and All-Rich. The All-Seer, The All-Knower. He is One and Self-Sufficient. He is not Nature, or any part of it. He ascended above His Throne, High above the Seven Skies. No Vision can encompass Him, but His Grasp is over all vision... Who is Allah? [ Say: "He is Allaah, {the} One. "Allaah us-Samad {self-Sufficient}. "He begets not, nor was He begotten; "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."] Soorat Al Ikhlaas {112:1-4} [ Allaah is He Who has created the heavens and the earth and sends down water from the sky, and thereby brought forth fruits as provision for you; and He has made the ships to be of service to you, that they may sail through the sea by His Command; and He has made rivers {also} to be of service to you.] Soorat Ibraheem {14:32} [ And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers and of every kind of fruits He made Zawjain Ithnain {two in pairs - may mean two kinds or it may mean: of two sorts, e.g. black and white, sweet and sour, small and big, etc.} He brings the night as a cover over the day. Verily, in these things, there are aayaat {proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelation, etc.} for people who reflect.] Soorat Ar Ra'd {13:3} [ Allaah is He Who created you, then provided food for you, then will cause you to die, then {again} He will give you life. Is there any of your {so-called} partners {of Allaah} that do anything of that? Glory be to Him! And Exalted be He above all that {evil} they associate {with Him}.] Soorat Ar Ruum {30:40} [ And He has made the sun and the moon, both constantly pursuing their courses, to be of service to you; and He has made the night and the day, to be of service to you.] Soorat Ibraheem {14:33} [ And He gave you of all that you asked for, and if you count the Blessings of Allaah, never will you be able to count them. Verily! Man is indeed an extreme wrong-doer, - a disbeliever {an extreme ingrate, denies Allaah's Blessings by disbelief, and by worshipping others besides Allaah, and by disobeying Allaah and His Prophet Muhammad }.] Soorat Ibraheem {14:34} [ See they not that Allaah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is Able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is not doubt. But the Dhalimeen {polytheists, oppressors, unjust, and wrong-doers, etc.} refuse {the truth the Message of Islamic Monotheism, and accept nothing} but disbelief.] Soorat Al Israa {17:99} [ Your Ilah {God} is only Allaah, the One. He has full knowledge of all things.] Soorat Ta Ha {20:98} [ Allaah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as {if there were} a niche and within it a lamp, the lamp is in glass, the glass as it were a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the East {i.e. neither it gets sun-rays only in the morning} nor of the West {i.e. nor it gets sunrays only in the afternoon, but it is exposed to the sun all day long}, whose oil would almost glow forth {of itself}, though no fire touched it. Light upon Light! Allaah guides to His Light whom He wills. And Allaah sets forth parables for mankind, and Allaah is All-Knower of everything.] Soorat An Nuur {24:35} [ Allaah is He Who sends the winds, so they raise clouds, and spread them along the sky as He wills, and then break them into fragments, until you see rain drops come forth from their midst! Then when He has made them fall on whom of His slaves as He will, lo! they rejoice!] Soorat Ar Ruum {30:48} [ Allaah is He Who created you in {a state of} weakness, then gave you strength after weakness, then after strength gave {you} weakness and grey hair. He creates what He wills. And it is He Who is the All-Knowing, the All-Powerful {i.e. Able to do all things}.] Soorat Ar Ruum {30:54} [ Allaah it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six Days. Then He Istawa {rose over} the Throne {in a manner that suits His Majesty}. You {mankind} have none, besides Him, as a Wali or an intercessor. Will you not then remember {or be admonished}?] Soorat As Sajdah {32:4} [ Allaah, it is He Who has made the night for you that you may rest therein and the day for you to see. Truly, Allaah is full of Bounty to mankind, yet most of mankind give no thanks.] Soorat Ghaafir {40:61} [ Allaah, it is He Who has made for you the earth as a dwelling place and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape and made your shapes good {looking} and has provided you with good things. That is Allaah, your Lord, then blessed be Allaah, the Lord of the 'alameen {mankind and jinns}.] Soorat Ghaafir {40:64} [ Allaah it is He Who has subjected to you the sea, that ships may sail through it by His Command, and that you may seek of His Bounty, and that you may be thankful,] Soorat Al Jaathiya {45:12} [ And has subjected to you all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth; it is all as a favour and kindness from Him. Verily, in it are signs for a people who think deeply.] Soorat Al Jaathiya {45:13} [ Do they not see that Allaah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and was not wearied by their creation, is Able to give life to the dead? Yes, He surely is Able to do all things.] Soorat Al Ahqaaf {46:33} [ He is Allaah, than Whom there is laa ilaaha illa huwa {none deserves to be worshiped but He} the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen {open}. He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.] Soorat Al Hashr {59:22} [ He is Allaah than Whom there is laa ilaaha illa Huwa {none deserves to be worshiped but He} the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allaah! {High is He} above all that they associate as partners with Him.] Soorat Al Hashr {59:23} [ He is Allaah, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.] Soorat Al Hashr {59:24} [ It is Allaah Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof {i.e. seven}. His Command descends between them {heavens and earth}, that you may know that Allaah has power over all things, and that Allaah surrounds {comprehends} all things in {His} Knowledge.] Soorat At Talaaq {65:12} [ Allaah! Laa ilaaha illa Huwa {none deserves to be worshiped but He}, the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them {His creatures} in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.] Soorat Al Baqarah {2:255} [ Truly, nothing is hidden from Allaah, in the earth or in the heavens. He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. Laa ilaaha illa Huwa {none deserves to be worshiped but He}, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.] Soorat Aal 'Imraan {3:5-6} [ Allaah! laa ilaaha illa Huwa {none deserves to be worshiped but He}. Surely, He will gather you together on the Day of Resurrection about which there is no doubt. And who is truer in statement than Allaah?] Soorat An Nisa{4:87} [ Allaah! laa ilaaha illa Huwa! {none deserves to be worshiped but He} To Him belong the Best Names.] Soorat Ta Ha {20:8} [ "Verily! I am Allaah! laa ilaaha illa Ana {none deserves to be worshiped but Me}, so worship Me, and perform As-Salat for My Remembrance] Soorat Ta Ha {20:14} [ And He is Allaah; laa ilaaha illa Huwa {none deserves to be worshiped but He}. His is all praise, in the first {i.e. in this world} and in the last {i.e.in the Hereafter}. And for Him is the Decision, and to Him shall you {all} be returned.] Soorat Al Qasas {28:70} [ "But as for my part {I believe} that He is Allaah, my Lord and none shall I associate as partner with my Lord. It was better for you to say, when you entered your garden: "That which Allaah wills {will come to pass}! There is no power but with Allaah". If you see me less than you in wealth, and children.] Soorat Al Kahf {18:38-39} [ Say {to these polytheists and pagans}: "Show me those whom you have joined to Him as partners. Nay {there are not at all any partners with Him}! But He is Allaah {Alone}, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."] Soorat Sabaa {34:27} [ He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running {on a fixed course} for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.] Soorat Az Zumar {39:5} |
| Re: Who Is Allah by enilove(m): 12:25am On Feb 01, 2013 |
Ishmael was the son of Abraham before Abraham sent him and his mother away.If the God that Abraham worshipped was Allah,why are the Israelites not calling the name of their God Allah? Ishmael must have heard Abraham calling the name of their God Allah .Likewise Isaac must have heard that Allah was the name of their God.But Isaac and his descendant never mentioned the name "Allah" as the name of their God. For example Sango is know to the yorubas as the god of thunder.In Trinidad it is called shango,in brazil it is called zango and known to these nations as the god of thunder ,with a little or no difference in the pronounciation except spelling. The Allah is quite different from Yahweh of the Israelites. The only close name quite like it is in the quran ,goddess Allat. why? The name Sango did not change ,why should the name of God change ,especially for a nation of Israel that keeps record.The name must have been written somehow in the bible. There is no reason why they would not want to call Allah and continue till now. Jesus also throughout his ministry never mentioned the name Allah. Name is very important in life ;TAIWO IS NOT THE SAME AS KEHINDE. If Allah is the same God as the God Yahweh,why didnt muhammed continued with that name ,if he knew that it was the same God that Abraham was calling, that has also sent him. More so, the mode of worshipping this God is different. Am sure they are not the same .God of the Israelites told the Israelites that Isaac was the child Abraham wanted to use as sacrifice and quran tells us that it was Ishmael.The God can not be so forgetful if He were the same God.There is a lie somewhere. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by tbaba1234: 12:27am On Feb 01, 2013 |
^ @enilove, Do you know the language did Jesus spoke?? |
| Re: Who Is Allah by tbaba1234: 12:45am On Feb 01, 2013 |
Jesus spoke Aramaic... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_of_Jesus Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are very similar languages. Do you know the Aramaic word for God? Please use this aramaic dictionary and type God http://www.peshitta.org/cgi-bin/lexicon.cgi Results Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH (Western) AaLoH Also check this http://www.learnassyrian.com/aramaic/church/church.html It says: ALAAHAA - - - - God EESHO - - - - Jesus MSHEEKHAA - - - - Christ MSHEEKHOOTAA - - - - Christianity MARRYAA - - - - Lord These's more: 8 AL-ILAH (Aramaic). The title for “God” as used by Aramaic speaking believers at the time of Jesus. One of the most proper titles for God used in the Near East when Aramaic was the lingua franca of the Semitic language family from 1,200 BC to 600 CE. During the most important period in the formation of the New Testament, this expression could be found as seen in Romans 16.26-27, for the original language spoken by Jesus and his disciples was Aramaic. Al-ilah, O blessed and only wise one, may Thy blessings of the cosmos be with us at all times. Praise to Thee for the prophets and Jesus the Messiah. In all of Thy Holy Names, may the mysteries of your nature and manifestations be revealed to us. Amen. http://www.keysofenoch.org/html/hebrew-aramaic_sacred_names.html So without a doubt, Jesus called God Alaha or Alaho in aramaic depending on the dialect he spoke: Other dialects The word for "God" in Aramaic, depending on dialect is pronounced either "Elah" "Elaha" "Àlaha" or "Aloho" (among others). http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Aramaic_name_for_God_in_prayer |
| Re: Who Is Allah by thirty(m): 11:49am On Feb 01, 2013 |
enilove: Ishmael was the son of Abraham before Abraham sent him and his mother away.If the God that Abraham worshipped was Allah,why are the Israelites not calling the name of their God Allah?Who is telling the lie and from where? |
| Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 4:17pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
Allah is not the God of the Bible for a number of reasons: 1. Bible God has a Son and children but Allah does not have. 2. Allah ordained his faithfuls to experience Hellfire first but God save His children through Jesus from Hellfire. 3. God's Jesus said a man is entitled to one wife and no divorcement save for fornication. Allah said a man can marry as many as 4 wivies, divorce them at will and sleep with slave women. 4. Jesus said he that marries a divorced woman commits adultery but Allah authorized the take-over of another man's wife including wife of adopted son. 5. God of the Bible says everybody must repent and forsake sins before getting to heaven but Allah's quran talks about forgiveness of sins without repentance and forsaking. It fails to mention the various type of sins. It means a muslim can be sinning continually without repentance till death and yet go to Allah's paradise. 7. God does not tolerate idol worship i.e satan worship but Allah has his Throne in Kaaba, the house of satan. The difference inexhaustible. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by deols(f): 8:30pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
I wonder how you do it. Do you decide, today I will go and lie against the Muslims? common op, try to speak the truth always and verify the things you hear before sharing them with others truthman2012: Allah is not the God of the Bible for a number of reasons: and Muslims believe that there's a lot of changes to the bible. Enough to accommodate such things as ascribing children to God. .2. Allah ordained his faithfuls to experience Hellfire first but God save His children through Jesus from Hellfire. prove this. This is one of the lies you all have been repeating over and over. smh
divorce them at will? when divorce is the allowed most hated thing to Allah?
you keep lying. prove this. 5. God of the Bible says everybody must repent and forsake sins before getting to heaven but Allah's quran talks about forgiveness of sins without repentance and forsaking. It fails to mention the various type of sins. It means a muslim can be sinning continually without repentance till death and yet go to Allah's paradise. wow! you are sooo ignorant of what you are talking about. Why do you have to lie so much?
You are soooo  The difference inexhaustible. yes. your faculty of lies is inexhaustible. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 9:59pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
deols: I wonder how you do it. Do you decide, today I will go and lie against the Muslims? common op, try to speak the truth always and verify the things you hear before sharing them with others Lady, do you read the quran at all? Are you one of those who say our alfa said.... This is because all you are denying are there in your religion. God forbid I lie, I am not a muslim. Consult your alfas and place another post. Besides, I don't like trading words with a woman. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 9:59pm On Feb 17, 2013 |
deols: I wonder how you do it. Do you decide, today I will go and lie against the Muslims? common op, try to speak the truth always and verify the things you hear before sharing them with others |
| Re: Who Is Allah by LagosShia: 12:05am On Feb 18, 2013 |
@truthman2012 First before I answer your questions,let me remind that this topic regarding God's NAMES and attributes in Christianity and Islam have been previously discussed.the names of "Yahweh/Jehovah" and "Allah",and the issue about "son of God" have been treated here: "Christians God (yaweh) ,is He The Same With Muslims Allah?": https://www.nairaland.com/993524/christians-god-yaweh-he-same truthman2012: Allah is not the God of the Bible for a number of reasons:This is not based on who God is to both Christians and Muslims,but rather based on understanding and interpretation of what God does and what doesn't befit His Majesty to do.literally God does not beget children,and that is the Muslim point.the bible is full of God's children in the figurative sense.but Christians in a bid to elevate Jesus (as) to a divine station have made him a literal or begotten son of God.the councils that were held by the early church fathers to adopt certain beliefs like trinity,sonship and others,did so based on their interpretation.and history tells us those church fathers were not all in comformity to what was adopted in the councils and accepted by the roman catholic church that held sway in the roman empire.their disagreement led to sects and movements that opposed the band led by Athanasius.Arianism was opposed to elevating Jesus (as) to the station of divinity. See more: "Can God Have A Son?" https://www.nairaland.com/811919/god-son No where is that found in the holy Quran,and it is not a belief held by any Muslim. The Bible,the "inspired word of God",is full of stories of polygamy by "inspired men of God".assuming,God later in the time of Jesus (as) decided to suspend polygamy,it doesn't make Him a different God if in the time of Muhammad (sa) He permits "limited polygamy". In Islam,divorce is known as the "most disliked halal (permissible act) " in the sight of God.so God doesn't give us permission to "divorce them all at will" as you're putting it. Holy Quran 4:24 "Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise". Divorce is an institution in religion and life.its a bitter reality of life.a divorced woman can remarry in Islam under the law. Before you raise a pointing finger,you should know that this issue of divorce is a divisive issue among Christians.the Anglican Church in Britain was born out of the Catholic Church because of divorce,and remarriage.would you accuse your fellow Christians of worshipping a different or lesser god because of an issue interpreted differently from the way you do? In Islam,a child that is not your biological son cannot bear your name even if you adopt the child or help bring him up.if there is no blood tie,there is no question of incest.therefore if you marry the divorced wife of your "adopted son" who is of age,there is no harm in it. You're silly! Is it not in Christianity you have the doctrine of "atonement of sin through human blood sacrifice of the perfect human"? Then what nonsense are you talking that Muslims don't repent? The muslim concept of repentance is to seek forgiveness and to change your bad ways to please God.not just believing that you've been "saved".there is an entire chapter of the Quran known as the Chapter of Repentance.who goes to paradise or not,depends on how God will judge us and not by simply "repenting" through the belief you have been "saved" by someone else,therefore you are totally exempted from punishment.we don't judge on salvation.its the role of God.
God is not found in the Ka'ba and does not reside there.He is far exalted from being in that position. Let us see what the Quran says about the Ka'ba: "Indeed the first house that was appointed as a place of worship for mankind, is the one at Mecca (the Holy Ka'aba), blessed and a guidance to the whole world; " (3:96) Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Al Baqarah verse 125: "And remember that We made this House (The Kaabah) the centre and sanctuary for mankind and enjoined the people to dedicate to worship the place where Ibrahim used to stand for prayer, and We urged Ibrahim and Ismail to keep My House pure for those who would go around it, and for those who would retire to it for devotion and prayer, and for those who would bow down and prostrate themselves there in worship". Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Al Baqarah verse 127: "And remember that when Ibrahim and Ismael were raising the walls of this House (Kaabah), they prayed, “O our Lord, accept this service from us; You are indeed the All Hearing and the All Knowing.” Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 22 Surah Hajj verse 26: "Recall to mind the time when We assigned the site of this House (the Kaabah) to Ibrahim, saying, “Do not associate anything as a partner with Me; keep My House clean and pure for those who go around it, and for those who stand and bow down and prostrate here (in worship)". You can read more on the Ka'ba here: http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/1.htm please compare the facing of the Qiblah (prayer direction towards the Ka'bah) to what we also find in the bible about the Temple in Jerusalem and Jacob's (as) holy stone: Genesis 28:18 The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it. Genesis 35:14 Jacob set up a stone pillar to mark the place where God had spoken to him. Then he poured wine over it as an offering to God and anointed the pillar with olive oil. Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Jonah 2: 4-7 “Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet ‘I will look again’ toward thy holy temple…When my soul fainted within me I remembered Yahweh; and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.” 2 Chronicles 6:18-21 18 “But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 19 Yet, LORD my God, give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence. 20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive. 1 Kings 8:27-29 27 “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 28 Yet give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, LORD my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence this day. 29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. Isaiah 38:2 "Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD". 1 Kings 8:44-45 "When you command your people to go into battle against their enemies and they pray to you, wherever they are, facing this city which you have chosen and this Temple which I have built for you, listen to their prayers. Hear them in heaven and give them victory". please see also: "Pilgrimage of Ezekiel to Mecca" http://www.answering-christianity.com/ezekiel_pilgrimage.htm |
| Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 3:58pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
@LagoShia: You said I'm silly. Thank you for your abuse. As a christian, I will not return same as violence does not have a place inside me. We don't fight for our God, it is He who fight for us. If God had been violent like the muslims, nobody will remain on the surface of the earth today. Then Whose are you? The Sonship of Jesus: God's Gabriel sent to Mary said the child she was going to have shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35). When Jesus was born and was being baptized, God spoke and confirmed the message He sent through Gabriel (Mat. 3:16-17). About 650 years later, another Gabriel came to Muhammad and said God does not have a son. Are they the same Gabriel from the same sender? Allah did not confirm Gabriel's message to Muhammad as He did not speak even a word in the quran. Gabriel was on his own. God's prophets hear directly from God but Muhammad as a prophet of Allah did not hear the voice of his Lord. How can you be so sure that Gabriel was an angel of God as nobody confirmed his message and moreso that it was different from the message before his own? You cannot change any information without confirmation from the original speaker. It is not done. Therefore Muhammad's Gabriel message is invalid for the reason ''confirmation required''. About Hellfire, it is clearly written in the quran that all muslims will experience it first before the just among them will be rescued and the evil-doers left there (Quran 19:71-72). They will be in hell for an indefinite period together before the just are rescued. LagosShia haven't you read it? Why are you denying it? Jesus did not suspend polygamy, He canceled it (Mat. 19:5) but Muhammad renewed it for the muslims. It is clearly stated in the quran that Allah commanded Muhammad to take the wife of Zaid. Though he was reluctant to do so but Allah pressurized him to comply (Quran 33:37-38). Why would He command Muhammad to take the wife of anybody? This Allah is so much interested in women and s.ex Allah is not the Holy God of the Bible, no doubt. About Sin and Repentance, Gabriel was continuosly telling Muhammad to ask for forgiveness and never told him to repent and forsake sins. Quote a place where he was told to repent and forshake sins. Which of the prophets was a sinner and was constantly reminded to ask for forgiveness? True prophets of the true God are holy people. On Kaaba: No surprise the places you quoted in the quran. They are truths replaced with falsehood by Allah (Quran 16:101). Ishmael was a child from a slave woman, Isaac was a child of promise. God supported the casting away of Ishmael from Abraham's family and he left and settled in Arabia. Abraham did not build a house of God with a child of promise, Isaac in Isreal, he followed the out-cast, Ishmael to Arabia to build it. Lies. Kaaba was a centre that housed 360 various idols. If it was truely built by Abraham and Ishmael for God, how did it become the house of satan. Where were Ishmael and his descendants when it was being turned to idols centre? Lies. Besides, even if it was truely built for God, since it had been polluted by Satan, God can no longer identify with the place. Why did Allah make that polluted place his holy centre? |
| Re: Who Is Allah by maclatunji: 4:08pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
Please I call on Muslims here to stop in the name of debating encouraging Truthman to post offensive content. It is a sin for a Muslim to say or interact with people if it will only make them slander or defame Allah, his Prophet(s) and/or Muslims. Thank you. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Is Allah by deols(f): 9:13pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
truthman2012: Have you ever held a QUr'an. have you ever read it? have you ever read its interpretation. Funny enough, it is a recycled idea. The lot of the older nairalanders, probably tired now or now realising how fruitless their efforts have been have stopped posting this kind of gibberish. You lift ies from the internet or pass it from mouth to mouth without ever verifying them, It is a big joke on you and God will question you over them. about suratul maryam, ch 19: 71-72 the Qur'an says, as translated below-
the interpretation by ibn Kathir is as follows- 1. There is not one of you but will pass over it. "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.''' Also, Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam commented on Allah's statement, وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا (There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell)  , "The passing of the Muslims (over the Hellfire) means their passing over a bridge that is over it. But the passing of the idolators over the Hellfire refers to their admission to the Fire.'' 2. Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. When all of the creatures passed over the Hellfire, and those disbelievers and the disobedient people who are destined to fall into it because of their disobedience, Allah will save the believers and the righteous people from it because of their deeds. Therefore, their passing over the bridge and their speed will be based upon their deeds that they did in this life. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Don't come here lying again man. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 11:16pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
@deols Madam, even though I did not want to trade words with you as a woman, I saw the need to clear some things you said. Firsly, I must commend your zeal and efforts in spiritual things as a woman. I pray God will open your understanding to realize the truth. Your case will not be 'the more you look the less you see' (abraca dabra). Shakir 19:71 And there is not one of you but shall COME TO IT; this is an UNAVOIDABLE decree of your Lord. Shakir 19:72 And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil) and We will leave the unjust THEREIN on their knees. Pickthal 19:72 Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil and leave the evil-doers crouching there. ''.......We will leave the unjust therein''. ''and leave the evil-doers crouching there''. The words 'leave therein' indicate that all will be in hell first before the just will be delivered or rescued. All must be there first before some can be left. Madam, where did ibn Kathir and Abdur-Rahman get their ''will pass over it''? Where did they see ''the bridge over hell''? Are they rewriting the Quran? They are all agents of deception. Allah made a clear decree and they are trying to twist it. Liars. I plead with you by the mercy of God to do what the reasonable people did in the Quran (5:101-102) What? They waited and pondered 'can this be true?' They asked questions and discovered the truth and took the right decision and rejected islam. God bless you richly. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by BetaThings: 11:28pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
truthman2012: @LagoShia: truthman2012: @Proo212 truthman2012: When muslims talk about quran and its beauty, the first thing that occurs to me is they are under spiritual manipulations. truthman2012: "THE DOCTRINES DECREED BY ROMAN CATHOLIC POPES, begining in 1452, were adopted by European Christian Nations for the purpose of providing them a legal cover to pillage and destroy non-White Civilizations around the World, whose citizens were indiscriminately slaughtered by the tens of thousands, enslaved, raped, and dehumanized."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura The Government of the state of Tripura claimed to have uncovered evidence to support the assertion that the Baptist Church of Tripura has been funding the terrorists. The NLFT has been accused of forcing local tribals to convert to Christianity at gunpoint and turning them against the Hindus in the region http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/05/
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
http://middleeast.about.com/b/2008/01/06/bible-vs-quran-super-bowl-of-publishing.htm
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| Re: Who Is Allah by LagosShia: 2:30pm On Feb 19, 2013 |
truthman2012: @LagoShia:You should have asked your "god" to come online to nairaland to preach against another religion,since you personally don't "fight" for him,and he fights for you.ignorant troublemaker! If you say Jesus (as) is figuratively "the son of God",as stated in the verse below,that is fine with Muslims.but christians have turned the phrase "son of God" into a literal meaning,and you have made God like shiva and krishna. Romans 8:14 "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God". When God spoke to Moses or Jesus (as) were you present there? How are you sure those two did not lie about God speaking to them,and even if someone appeared to them,how are you and they sure it was God! If Muhammad (sa) was a liar as you believe,he could have also simply flunt the idea that God spoke to him,and in turn Muslims too would be parading the belief that God has directly spoken to Muhammad (sa). What you're doing here is marketing your own idea that God spoke to Jesus or Moses (as),against the idea that God sent an angel to Muhammad (sa).if you apply the same questions to angel appearing to Muhammad (sa),to God speaking to Moses you are left with no answer other than beating around the bush,or to follow logical method to establish it was God that spoke to Moses (as).and that same method can be used to establish it was Gabriel (as) who spoke to Muhammad (sa). Furthermore,there is no where either in the bible or Quran that says that God must Himself through the hearing of a voice speak directly to prophets.God isn't physical and that voice that Moses (as) heard in the wilderness was not from God's mouth as God have no mouth nor does He need one to convey His message across.therefore that voice Moses (as) heard,just as the angel Muhammad (sa) saw are both creations,manifestations and equally the will of God. The bible says no man has seen God,and that "God is a spirit",and here is what the Quran says: Holy Quran 42:51 "It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah's permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise". The Bible says none of the prophets have seen God: Exodus 6:2-3 “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.” Exodus 33:20 “But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live !" John 4:24 "God is a spirit..." Why is it credible that Moses (as) heard a "spirit" (hovering from behind a tree,fire or sky) speak and you believe that spirit is God that spoke to Moses (as),but difficult for you to believe that Muhammad (sa) both SAW and HEARD an angel,and that angel is from God? Holy Quran 47:24 "Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Nay, on the hearts there are locks". The verse says we will witness it.it doesn't say we will enter it.the phrase "for an indefinite period together before the just are rescued" is the imagination of Christian propagandists.we will see hell fire in order that we may be more thankful and appreciative for salvation.here is the verse: Holy Quran 19:71-72 "There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there". Jesus (as) neither suspended it nor cancel it.he regulated it,just as Muhammad (sa) did by limiting it! I wonder why you're so shy about polygamy,something that fulls the bible.is Jesus (as) more righteous than God who allowed it and praised those who performed it?
There is no where in that verse Allah (swt) said he must "take" her.she was already divorced,and he was permitted to marry her.stop playing with your head. Don't allow the christian propaganda missionaries play with words and twist your head. And here's what is contained in your "holy Bible" : Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man". Ezekiel 23:20 "She lusted after their male consorts, whose $exual organs were like those of donkeys, and whose e-ja-cu-la-tion was like that of horses". Stop talking nonsense.the Prophet (sa) and all prophets were sinless and did not disobey Allah (swt) or break His rules. The word often translated as "to seek forgiveness" is Istighfar in arabic.that word literally means to "ask for protection".it could be from sin,enemies or satan. In at least two places in the Quran,we are told that the Prophet (sa) is seeking forgiveness from Allah (swt) for his own followers.in Surat al-Fath,it was a reply to the pagans who made an allegation against the Prophet (sa) that he "sinned"-obviously by going against their wishes-so God replied by sayings all "sins" of the Prophet (sa) "before and after" are forgiven! How can you be forgiven of a sin you never committed? That is a point if you can comprehend. Lol Your bible in genesis makes reference to Hagar in arabia with Ishmael (as). God in genesis also promised to make Ishmael (as) great and to bless him with a "great nation".so he is also a "child of promise". Genesis 21:13 Of the son of the maidservant (i.e. Ishmael) I will make a great nation because he is thy seed. Genesis 12:2-3 "And I will make of thee (Ishamael) a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shall be a blessing. And I will bless them that bless thee, and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed". Any insult on Ishmael (as) by calling him a "son of slave" is an insult to Abraham (as),the father of Isaac (as). Moreso,here is what your bible says: Deuteronomy 21:15-17 “If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him”.
Among the descendants of Ishmael (as) are those who took to idolatry,as you find in the bible children of Isaac (as) also took to idolatry,like worshipping the golden calf. There were those among the descendants of Ishmael (as) who never worshipped idols and were known as "Hanif" or monotheists,and they worshipped only Allah (swt) and recognized the Ka'ba as the holy sanctuary built by their ancestors,Abraham and Ishmael (as). Later on,Prophet Muhammad (sa) cleansed the Ka'ba of idols and destroyed them,and rededicated it for the worship of Allah (swt). ENJOY!!! : 2Chronicles 33:15 "And he took away the foreign gods and the idol from the house of the LORD, and all the altars that he had built on the mountain of the house of the LORD (the Temple) and in Jerusalem, and he threw them outside of the city". See idols in the Temple of Jehovah in Jerusalem being removed too!!! This is what is called "seeing the sawdust in your brother's eye while ignoring the plank in your own eye"!!! |
| Re: Who Is Allah by truthman2012(m): 9:44pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
@LagosShia You said a lot of things that are not only amusing but untrue as well. I will speak on them only briefly: We don't fight for our God but He fights for us. That does not mean preaching Him and stating the truth about Him are fighting for Him. We are commissioned as christians to let the world know the truth. You asked a question whether I was there when God spoke to Moses. Were you there too when Gabriel was speaking to Muhammad? You talked of seeing God. I am not saying Muhammad was required to see God, he was required to hear from God like prophets before him. Why did Allah refuse to speak directly to him? It was because Gabriel had no sender. You said God has no mouth. This is more than funny. Because Muhammad could not hear from Allah, the implication is that God has no mouth, eh? Was Muhammad the only prophet in history? What makes a man a prophet? Ability to hear from God. If God has no mouth, how was He talking to the angels to send them messages? Even if He has no mouth, He has a means to speak. Allah may not have mouth because he could not speak to Muhammad, the true God has. Hellfire: ''....We will leave the unjust therein''. 'Therein' means 'inside there'. They will all be inside there before the just are rescued or delivered.... Quran 19:71 Here there is no disctinction made in where the just and evil-doers will be. They are under the same decree. Questions on 19:72 1. The just will be rescued from where? From where they are witnessing it or where they approach it? If they have to be rescued or delivered from this place, it means it a place of torment. The words 'rescued' or 'delivered' shows that plainly. They will be there for as long as only Allah knows before the rescue. 2. Where will the evil-doers be left? Where they are witnessing it or where they approach it? Both the just and the unjust are in the same place witnessing or approaching. If witnessing or approching it does not mean being inside hellfire, it means even the evil-doers too are not inside hellfire. They are only not rescued from where they are witnessing or where they approach it. 2 Chron. 33: 15-16 - The house of God was cleansed of idolatery. 17 - The people still refused and made their sacrifice in the high places, not the altar where idol worship was once carried out. They knew Manasseh was a king and not a prophet. No mention is made of that altar anymore for God's worship. In the case of Kaaba, if it is true that Muhammad destroyed the idols there, it was not completely. He left the 'black stone' which was one of the 360 idols in the house (Kaaba). The black stone could not have been for God as He does not want any object to represent Him. Why did Muhammad retain the black stone? God is not associated with anything black. Black is of darkness i.e satan. How can you translate 'to seek forgiveness' to mean protection from enemies or satan in any language. If you are right, it means the quran was wrongly interpreted otherwise, to seek forgiveness means to ask for pardon for sin commited. If anyone seeks forgiveness, he is a sinner who needs pardon. Gabriel constantly asking Muhammad to seek forgiveness knows he needs it. If a prophet commits sin, he is a sinner, no immunity. Genesis 12:1-3 was not referring to Ishmael but Abraham. You lied here. Deuteronomy 21:15-17 was not talking about Hagar, Ishmael mother because she was not a wife but a maidservant (Gen. 21:13) |
| Re: Who Is Allah by LagosShia: 12:43pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
truthman2012: @LagosShiaI can sense from your post that you're already shivering.you don't have to (make me) unreleash the truth if you're not ready to accept it. You're here on the offensive.you're not here preaching,but staging an e-fight against adherents of another religion. Are you trying to confuse yourself? I asked that question because you said how are we Muslims so sure that it was an angel of God (Gabriel) who spoke to Muhammad (sa). In turn I'm asking you how are you so sure the voice heard in the sky purportedly of God "confirming" Jesus (as) and what Gabriel (as) had told Mary (as),was actually God's and not the devil's? How are you so sure that it was even Gabriel (as) who appeared to Mary (as) for the anunciation of Jesus' (as) birth? What if it was a demonic spirit? The same doubt you are trying to cast upon the Quranic revelation from God through Gabriel (as) can also be cast upon your beliefs.you simply saying it was God that spoke to Moses or even Jesus (as),and not a mere angel,is not enough reason to make your fantasy more credible than the Islamic perspective. It is not a condition that every prophet must hear directly a voice believed to be from God for him to be a true prophet.an angel can also be a medium of divine message as a voice.that is the point I'm trying to make which you mistook for fun.God is a spirit says your bible.does a spirit have body,bones,mouth and eyes? Your bible in Luke says a spirit has no bones and flesh.I'm stating what is found in your bible and you're laughing.God can speak directly to His prophets through voice,but that voice like angels,is a creation of God,the Almighty Creator. To "rescue" in this context means "to be saved".you claim Jesus (as) "died" and "saved" you from eternal damnation or hell fire.were you in hell fire before he saved you? The arabic of the verse doesn't say "therein".the english translation I presented uses the word "there";not "therein". The literal arabic translation says "we will save those who obey and we will leave the evil doers in it on their knees". You don't have to force us to believe what we don't believe to suit your claims.
Why are you lying? Isaiah 56:7 "I will bring them to My holy mountain and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar, for My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations." So the black man is of darkness too? Is that what the whiteman's christianity have turned you into? The black stone was/is not an idol.otherwise what do you say about this and your bible God? : Genesis 28:18 The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it. Genesis 35:14 Jacob set up a stone pillar to mark the place where God had spoken to him. Then he poured wine over it as an offering to God and anointed the pillar with olive oil. I'm telling you the word often translated as "to seek forgive" is "istighfar",which in arabic means "to seek protection".it could be protection from sin,enemies or satan.I'm not translating "to seek forgiveness".I'm translating the arabic word.depending on the context,the word could wrongly be translated in english translations of the holy Quran.another explanation is humility.the prophets would always want to please God and humble themselves.a prophet will not say he is sinless and therefore doesn't need God's forgiveness.in that case,that is a wrong,arrogant and sinful attitude.also,we find Jesus (as) in the bible teaching his followers how to pray: "forgive us our us our sins and those who sinned against us".was Jesus (as) sinful? If Jesus (as) would have said to his followers that he was sinless and therefore doesn't need God's forgiveness,don't you think that many people even today who claim to be followers of Jesus (as),can rightly claim that they too are "sinless" and like Jesus (as) don't need God's forgiveness? Who is the boss,God or men? That would be deceptive,misleading and lying.so there's also an issue of setting example as to why a prophet would/should seek God's forgiveness.
Are you for real? Or is it the shock? Ask your pastor!
I didn't say that verse in deuteronomy was referring to Hagar (as).I used it as a reference that can be applied to Hagar (as) since it contains a rule. Please do not waste my time if you want to argue ignorantly or you don't want to learn or you lack the courage to see and accept the truth. |
| Re: Who Is Allah by aurenflani: 11:05am On Feb 23, 2013 |
enilove: Ishmael was the son of Abraham before Abraham sent him and his mother away.If the God that Abraham worshipped was Allah,why are the Israelites not calling the name of their God Allah? Blah blah blah. Did Jesus called Him Jesus? Were the compilation of books called the bible written in English? Did Paul called God Jesus. Was Jesus ever called Jesus in his life time. |
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