BetaThings:


They will see the light some day

PAGAN 9JA:


to see light , you must know darkness. you xtians will never understand this. .

tpia@:


1. he's muslim

2. humans are 100% in darkness until they see the light of Christ.

doesnt matter if they're in the 12 millionth degree of occultic manifestation or are simply serial fornicators, or are just trekking along with nothing else doing.

PAGAN 9JA:


ofcourse. that is the most bullsh!t theory ever. there is no recorded migration from there. neither from Kindah or Himyar. Infact after the fall of the Máarib Dam, the tribes migrated northwards towards the Persian GUlf where they still reside/ they had no reason to trek all the way to Nigeria.

the only time Arabs came to West Africa was during the fatimid caliphate to spread islam and get their slaves.

the only time Arabs came to West Africa was during the fatimid caliphate to spread islam and get their slaves

PAGAN 9JA:


1. big difference

2. christ is dead.

tpia@:



not every migration is recorded.

2. if a tribe can migrate northward, nothing stops them or others from migrating in other directions

3. history doesnt support your view- emigration is rarely one dimensional

4. the gulf of aden is directly opposite the horn of africa. Whats your reason for assuming there'd be no trade and interaction between these parts? You seem to be looking only at modern day maps, not ancient ones.





and what about the pre-Islamic period, not to mention the era of Islamic expansion in the ME itself?

tpia@:


yes, there is.







was.

you know the rest.


seems you must be somehow disturbed by the news of the pope's resignation, hence your sort of agitation.

PAGAN 9JA:


2. There is evidence for the Northwards migration but there is no evidence whatsoever for the Southward migration. also , such a long-distance trekking wouldve left some clues but there is absolutely no evidence. in that case you can also claim that arabs migrated to the Moon. we dont know because we have no evidence.

3. history supports my view. there was o reason for them o come to Nigeria that too in pre-islamic times. = genetically it has been proven tha we are not descended from Arabs so what are you arguing about

4. The "GULF of ADEN" is opposite the horn of Africa. so what? India is opposite the red sea. Afghanistan is nearby. there is Oman to the North. What does this imply? are you teaching me Geography

NIGERIA is not opposite Aden. let me remind you that. there would be trade, though the Arabs mostly traded with the Spice nations. What Ancient maps? are you talking about Pangea, in the days of the Dinosaurs? Actually wtf is your point?!!!!

the pre-islamic period?! what pre-islamic period? thy had no motivation to come to West Africa. there were no religious problems or religious motives, they had there own sedantary lifestyle. whay else would they come here??!!

and as i said, the arabs did come to Africa during the islamic period much later. first they went to SOmalia, then Egypt and Sudan and finally to the Maghreb where they established the Fatimid caliphate. however, they did not come and settle in Nigeria, an that too Yorubaland. lol

justaqad:

Are you saying ALLAH understands only arabic on the day of reckoning? so if i dont understand arabic i would be mute that day abi?
back up your ambiguous claims from the quran.
mr Islam is a universal language,arabic is just a tunnel for conveying the divine message of Allah.simple.

murtalaa:

there is no clear cut aya confirming that arabic is the language of the hereafter. but ahadith confirms it to be so. I will leave you with the response of the eminent scholar of islam when confronted with the same question. I believe it captures my response succinctly.

"It is clear from the Qur'an that people shall freely communicate in paradise, but the Qur'an has not specified the language or the method in which people shall communicate with each other. However, there is a narrative ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) in Tabraniy's Mu`jam al-Awsat[1], according to which the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said that the language of the people of Paradise shall be Arabic. If this narrative is considered to be reliable and accurately reporting the actual saying of the Prophet (pbuh), then one a Muslim would obviously be inclined towards believing that the language spoken by the inmates of Paradise shall indeed by Arabic.

Whatever the case may be, it should be appreciated that because of our limited perspective during the life of this world, we are not in a position to fully comprehend either the exact nature of the life in the hereafter or that of the rewards and punishment of the hereafter. After fully appreciating this point, we would naturally be more concerned and involved in rendering ourselves deserving of God's mercy in the hereafter and not be too concerned about the details and the exact nature of the life or the rewards and punishments in the hereafter."- Moiz Amjad

Again if this is the only fault you find in my reasons why you should consider yourself lucky for having Arabic name, then you should give the other reasons a thought.

tpia@:
well, if he did not exist then we wouldnt be discussing here.

end of.

tpia@:



if you believe the out of africa theory, where humans trekked hundreds of thousands of miles to populate other places, then what's so hard to believe about people migrating southwards and/or westwards from the arabian peninsula? And they werent in a hurry- there'd be many stops along the way, some would settle permanently while others would keep moving when it became necessary to do so.

nobody said we are descended from arabs.

what is being discussed is the pre-arabic or pre-islamic demographics of the ME.

and if you refuse to examine these things with an open mind, then you will never discover what factors could have encouraged a migration into western africa.

yes, as a matter of fact.

India is not opposite the red sea.

tpia@:


are you saying there was no trade or interaction between arabs and western africa?

what do you know about the pre-islamic period?

you seem afraid, what's the reason.

look beyond the fatimid caliphate, i doubt that's the era in question.

you only consider a northern migration, what reason do you have for assuming there was no contact between the coast of west africa and central african countries closer to the ME?

PAGAN 9JA:


did i say he did not exist? i said JESUS IS DEAD!

tpia@:


WAS

else we would not be having this conversation and neither would any of us be here.

He still lives.

why the heck are you arguing then about our descent from the middle-east?

there is no such thing as pre-Arabic. Arabic is an Ancient language derived from Nabatean and other such roots.

i doubt the existence of direct trade between the Arabs and West Africa during pre-islamic times. We traded with ROmans,etc., but i doubt this with regards to the Arabs.

i know a lot. i personally had the other 2 books by Ibn Kalbi under the process of undergoing translation, apart from the Book of Idols, a translation i already obtained on pre-islamic Arabia and Arab religion.

THE FATIMID ERA IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISLAMIC ERAS! INFACT, MOST ARAB FLAGS ARE BASED ON THE FLAGS OF THIS CALIPHATE!

Northern migration? you are talking as if im considering a migration to the North Pole! THe Northern migration is a very short distance just across the Rub Al Khali desert and in Arab Lands of Oman and UAE and an EAstern migration to !

Whereas your theory is of a migration to Nigeria. do you understand the extent of the distance we are dealing with, not to mention a long stretch of sea in between?!!!

and also the lack of genetic similarities

the point is that West African and Central African countries are NOT close to the middle-EAst.

PAGAN 9JA:


wtf?! how daft can you be! so if i talk of Alexander the Great, does that mean he is still living?

so no one dies in this world?

also how does my existence depend on a dead israeli//

you xtians are a waste of time.

tpia@:


originating from the middle east is different from descending from the middle east.

pre arabic refers to the time before the ME peoples came together under that ethnicity/name. Before then, they identified more along tribal affiliations.

many west african empires had interaction with the ME both directly and indirectly. eg mansa musa. Ibn batuta also travelled extensively through these places.

the eastern coast of africa has long had arab presence.

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[img]well, you havent said you know anything about the demographics in question.[/img]

what demographics? i can name most tribal lineages.

[quote]nobody said its not important.

however, other eras are also being discussed and you can start a thread on the fatimid caliphate as necessary.

did omanis not migrate to central africa? Is that a northward migration?

i've already explained the logistics behind the theory.

the discussion isnt about white arabs.

are you referring to geographical location or a cultural context?

tpia@:


whatever!!!!!

and where are you seeing isreali 2000 years ago?

BetaThings:
Specific examples don't general rule make. Do you seriously believe that everyone who is prepared to tell his boss that he had a flat tire (when he overslept and got to work late) will actually steal (eg dipping hand in the till)?. I am not talking about stealing the company's time by lying about
the cause of lateness

Those statements hold true for some but not all
Thanks

PAGAN 9JA:


to see light , you must know darkness. you xtians will never understand this. .

tpia@:
@ pagan

we'll have to agree to disagree, because this argument will never end?

you obviously dont want to consider any way besides your way.

justaqad:
Asalam Alaykum.

Islam is a religion not just to he Arabs but to the whole world,Simply by saying 'there is no god apart from God.

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."(Verse 3:18)

there is a trend among Muslims which i find not just disturbing but wrong.muslims are submitters to the will of Allah not to the will of Arabs.
we are loosing our identity to the Arabs.the essence of naming is for Identity.when i hear the name Chidi,i know he is Igbo by tribe.but it would be difficult to tell whether Gafar that resides in Oshodi is yoruba,igbo,hausa or Arab.
i fear we are loosing our cultural heritage to the Arabs.i beg to differ there is no such thing as Islamic name.i am not saying Arabic names are bad,but we ought not loose our identity.
i grew up with an Arabic name as my first name,whenever i say my first name,people start asking are you Hausa?it will take me me some seconds to introduce my self.i have since adopted my tribal name as my first,arabic second.
i am proud of my race,i am proud to be called Yoruba.i am not loosing it,not for anything.

Masalam