Omenuko:

For you to make such unfounded interpretations as fact, without any evidence is very illogical. The most you can say is that the Bible says 1+1=2, and tradition holds that 4-2=2, therefore I believe (your individual interpretation. Note: I cannot say the Bible states/teaches) x, y, and z. No where in the Bible does it say "Elijah was transported through earths atmosphere to another location on earth." Nor does the Bible state that "Elijah did not go to and live in the heavens where Jesus came from." These are all personal interpretations.

frosbel:


Can you explain this short YouTube below :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mz9RNfZ12Y

Omenuko:

My statement has not been declared heresy by any church. But to believe that saints and others who die in God's favor are dead and have no interaction with God, is in fact heresy by all christian churches. You do right to say Jesus Christ is the first born from the dead.

If you too believe as ijawkid that Elijah visited heaven and then was transported back to earth, please show me where scripture states as such.

ijawkid:

And yours is divine interpretations abi??.....and your theory of assumption stems from where??...from Jesus??.....your theory negates the basic truth that all have sinned and would experience death.......saying the likes of elijah,and enoch were assumed into heaven to live there is tantamount to saying that those men are more important than Jesus who died and was ressurected before his ascension..........

Elijah did not go to any heaven.....elijah was transferred to another location on earth........

Elijah experienced death and is in the ground awaiting reSsurection.......Jesus' words are so clear.....NO MAN has ascended into heaven....gulp in this basic truth....

Romans 5:14

##New International Version
(©2011)
Nevertheless, death reigned from
the time of Adam to the time of
Moses, even over those who did
not sin by breaking a command, as
did Adam, who is a pattern of the
one to come.

##New Living Translation (©2007)
Still, everyone died--from the
time of Adam to the time of
Moses--even those who did not
disobey an explicit commandment
of God, as Adam did. Now Adam is
a symbol, a representation of
Christ, who was yet to come.
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If you like exempt the likes of elijah and enoch from romans 5:14.......

Or you can as well assume elijah died in the heavens he was assumed into...........

Once again Jesus is correct while you and your ilks are WRONG.....

Omenuko:

The hype and scare tactics are unneeded.

frosbel:

Come to the real Jesus !

Omenuko:

If you didn't know by now, Jesus Christ is my God. So, I am as close to him as one can be. Thanks.

Omenuko:

Did I say Enoch or Elijah did not die, so why divert the topic? Please, show me in the Bible where it states Elijah visited heaven and then was transported back to earth. Thanks.

frosbel:

what about the wafer god ? You know, the one that supposedly turns into the real Jesus each time you eat him, even though Jesus Christ has been offered ONCE and for all ?

Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

and if you revere Jesus, why do you also pray to his mother and dead saints, something never commanded in the bible ?

James 5:15 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

ijawkid:

Where did they die??...where??.......in heaven abi??.....did they experience any ressurection ??.....

Omenuko:

I do not know...All I know is that Enoch and Elijah are with God, as the Bible states. Anything else is speculation.

ijawkid:

You see yourself..........they are not with God.......Jesus did not see them in heaven before descending....can't you just agree with that even if it is so hard for you??............

Keep lying to yourself and arguing with Jesus who came down from heaven.......

ijawkid:

You see yourself..........they are not with God.......Jesus did not see them in heaven before descending....can't you just agree with that even if it is so hard for you??............

Keep lying to yourself and arguing with Jesus who came down from heaven.......

Omenuko:

I cannot agree with your personal interpretation because it is contrary to scripture and tradition. I'm not arguing with Jesus, I'm disputing your claims, which you have yet to prove with evidence from scripture.

[quote author=Omenuko]

John 6:53-59 states:



Direct from Jesus' mouth.

Because the church teaches that those who die in God's favor are not dead, rather are alive, even more so. In addition, the church teaches that the prayers of a righteous man availith much. As such, we ask those who are in God's favor to pray for us through Jesus.

ijawkid:

What have I not proven??.........

let me re-quote the verse again.....

New International Version
(©2011)
As they were walking along and
talking together, suddenly a
chariot of fire and horses of fire
appeared and separated the two
of them, and Elijah went up to
heaven in a whirlwind.
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Have I not from the scriptures explained wht the heaven there means.....you are programmed to believe that heaven must always mean where Gods abode(or where Jesus came from)...........we've also quoted from the scriptures that Elijah after that incidence wrote a letter to Jehoram,the king of Judah....all this,to prove that he was just simply transported to another location here on earth through the whirl wind......oya read am:::
________________________________
2 Chronicles 21:12-15
New International Version (NIV)

12 Jehoram received a letter from Elijah the
prophet, which said:
“This is what the LORD, the God of your
father David, says: ‘You have not followed the
ways of your father Jehoshaphat or of Asa
king of Judah. 13 But you have followed the
ways of the kings of Israel, and you have led
Judah and the people of Jerusalem to
prostitute themselves, just as the house of
Ahab did. You have also murdered your own
brothers, members of your own family, men
who were better than you. 14 So now the
LORD is about to strike your people, your
sons, your wives and everything that is yours,
with a heavy blow. 15 You yourself will be very
ill with a lingering disease of the bowels, until
the disease causes your bowels to come out.’
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.......coupled with the clear words of Jesus I just don't know how you stubbornly choose to stick to the shaky fact that elijah went to stay with God in heaven,there by contradiciting the whole bible and also the factual words of Jesus..............

frosbel

Luke 22:19
New International Version (NIV)
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

"23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes" - 1 Corinthians 11:23-26

First of all , eating the bread and drinking the wine was a way of :

1. Remembering the sacrifice of Jesus
2. Proclaiming his death


The Catholic church has demonically usurped this biblical position by insisting and wresting violently these precious truths to mean that Jesus Christ is called down from heaven , his body is eaten and his blood drank by the faithful. The implication is that he has to be sacrificed over and over again, the Priests also have more power than Christ because they actually can , by some miracle, change the bread into the actual Jesus.

This is the stuff of occultism and is demonic through and through , worshiping a wafer god is BLASPHEMY !!!

Omenuko:

I see through your clever tactic of not answering my question. Where in the Bible does it say Elijah visited heaven and then was transported back to earth? Thanks.

Omenuko:

Why not say the Bible doesn't say Elijah was taken to heaven and then transported to earth. All this you are typing is speculation. I'll ask my question again. Where in the Bible does it say Elijah visited heaven and then was transported back to earth? Thanks.

ijawkid:

Now you say I'm speculating after going through those scriptures .............Elijah did not visit the heavens..he did not visit anybody or thing...Elijah simply was transfered through the atmosphere(the atmosphere a.k.a heaven in that verse was the medium of transportation ) .....can't you just understand this simple basic truth??.........like I said earlier keep contravening Jesus' words and the whole bible.........

My aim here is to stand by Jesus' words and the rest of the scriptures that says no man hath ascended into the heavens(where God resides)...I don't know what your aim is........

frosbel:


Can you explain this short YouTube below :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mz9RNfZ12Y

dokie:
many catholics have left the catholic church and many continue to leave out of choice. we believe in the intercession of the saints, the intercession of Mary, purgatory, papal infallibility, having images in the church, rosary, relics of the saints etc. we believe in these teachings. they may not be biblical and we agree still with them. the church has always maintained that everything in the bible is true but not everything that is true is in the bible for the church had existed for about 300 years before the bible. As such the church's teachings stem from tradition, the bible aswell as the magisterum. those whose faith cannot carry this truth have left to other churches.