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Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 12:55pm On Apr 05, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Scriptures need to be brought up...that's the only foot-hold a christian has Is the Bible the only "foot-hold" the early Christians had? Did they even ever hear the word "Bible" at all? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 2:13pm On Apr 05, 2013 |
italo: Mart d dart: the BibleI was refering to modern day christians...please, read previous posts before commenting, so as to get the point and avoid misconceptions |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 2:25pm On Apr 05, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I was refering to modern day christians...please, read previous posts before commenting, so as to get the point and avoid misconceptions So who made the Bible "the only foot-hold that Christians have" and when was this done, since it wasnt like that in the Beginning? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 2:38pm On Apr 05, 2013 |
I get what you are trying to do. Anyway, the authorship of the Bible is not what is in question...what I meant by "foot hold" was more like a means of verifying that some of the doctrines practiced were not given by God |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Ubenedictus(m): 2:41pm On Apr 05, 2013 |
italo:this is d point, please answer. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 2:51pm On Apr 05, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: this is d point, please answer.I see you're back...Welcome...Like I said before, the Authorship of the Bible has never been in doubt for Me(Don't know about You, seeing as the topic has now moved from it's original purpose) I know you want Me to say the bible wasn't always there, that the "catholics" brought it. Truth is, they brought an adulterated version of the Bible...have you ever bothered to read the ten commandments with the "catholic bible" the commandment that say "Thou shalt not make for thyself a graven image......was cut off and the first commandment was further broken into 2 to cover the space and allow the commandments remain 10...look it up and serve as a witness |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 7:02am On Apr 06, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I get what you are trying to do. Anyway, the authorship of the Bible is not what is in question...what I meant by "foot hold" was more like a means of verifying that some of the doctrines practiced were not given by God Will you please be honourable and 'Christian' enough and answer my question honestly? You cannot know what I am trying to do until I do it, except you are claiming to be God who sees the future and the mind. You said the Bible is the only foot-hold modern Christians have... ...and I ask again: who made the Bible the only foot-hold that modern Christians have and when was it done, since it wasnt so in the beginning? Simple question that demands simple answer. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by 1MCN: 9:20am On Apr 06, 2013 |
I bliv arguments like this help in shaping our xtian blif. Although am cath educated enough to hav a sufficient open mind and respect for other people's opinions. I hav taken my time to ensure thru research that catholicism holds and teaches the truth. History has a litany of those who hav asked critical questions abt the chr and the chr has taken time to answer bt it is obvious that the kingdom of darkness sees the cath chr as itz greatest pain and therefore uses people (even xtians and some caths) to discredit the chr. And they do this wt so much self assurance that they're fighting for God. @Op, to make for a more reliable and credible scholarly research you must quote uncontrovertible sources for each quote you make cos am sure u realise these are very controversial assertions u've made. I hope non-caths must learn that caths are NOT idol worshippers. Sometimes we ask questions just to bring down the chr bt the gates of hell shall not prevail aaginst it (and indeed against xtianity) cos he'll be wt them till the end of time. God bless his chr and his people |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by ijawkid(m): 10:37am On Apr 06, 2013 |
1MCN: I bliv arguments like this help in shaping our xtian blif. Although am cath educated enough to hav a sufficient open mind and respect for other people's opinions. I hav taken my time to ensure thru research that catholicism holds and teaches the truth. History has a litany of those who hav asked critical questions abt the chr and the chr has taken time to answer bt it is obvious that the kingdom of darkness sees the cath chr as itz greatest pain and therefore uses people (even xtians and some caths) to discredit the chr. And they do this wt so much self assurance that they're fighting for God. can you please define who an idol worshiper is? after that please tell me if Catholics are nt idol worshipers ..... dead meat worshippers... |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 10:51am On Apr 06, 2013 |
ijawkid: One that ascribes divinity to anything other than God and worships it. ijawkid: after that please tell me if Catholics are nt idol worshipers ..... We are not. ijawkid: dead meat worshippers... Why do you say so? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 12:14pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
Mart d dart: italo:Lol...I've indeed answered that question. Plus, I never said I was God..so please be "honourable enough" to actually read previous posts before commenting |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:25pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Lol...I've indeed answered that question. Plus, I never said I was God..so please be "honourable enough" to actually read previous posts before commenting I have read the posts several times. I dont see anywhere you answered the question: "who made the bible the only foot-hold that modern christians have?" If you cannot answer, we will simply take it as your own opinion. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by dokie: 2:53pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Lol...I've indeed answered that question. Plus, I never said I was God..so please be "honourable enough" to actually read previous posts before commenting you have nothing to offer. who made the bible the only foothold of christians? you cant answer; when was it done? no answer. and you still have the courage to continue discussing issues. just park. or what else do you people want from us? leave us alone! enjoy your own form of christianity. catholics dont depend on the bible alone for its practices. the church has existed for over 300 years before the bible came to be and if all copies of the bible disappears today, the church will continue for it is guided by the Holy Spirit through men. what do you want from us catholics? we are in a living, a church guided by the spirit. leave us alone. just park. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 2:59pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
Man wrote it with inspiration from the Almighty italo: |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 3:12pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
dokie:I understand your point, there's no need for throwing a tantrum, I believe we're all mature adults and it would serve as a thing of pride if we acted our ages... That resolved, my point by saying the bible IS the only "foothold of modern day christians" is evident since a lot of christians do not really lay much emphasis on the Holy Spirit, this christians however trust the bible to a fault and the only means of actually getting through to such people is directly through the bible Like I said before, the Bible's authorship and history is not what is taking centre point in this discussion...The Catholic "doctrines" are |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 3:16pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
If you have been following this thread, You'll rightly see that I have put up some links, bible verses and quotes...I'd really like feedback on what my catholic brothers and sisters think...thanks |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 3:40pm On Apr 06, 2013 |
1MCN: I bliv arguments like this help in shaping our xtian blif. Although am cath educated enough to hav a sufficient open mind and respect for other people's opinions. I hav taken my time to ensure thru research that catholicism holds and teaches the truth. History has a litany of those who hav asked critical questions abt the chr and the chr has taken time to answer bt it is obvious that the kingdom of darkness sees the cath chr as itz greatest pain and therefore uses people (even xtians and some caths) to discredit the chr. And they do this wt so much self assurance that they're fighting for God.A pure case of misconception, the Op and I have nothing against catholics, only their doctrines... secondly, please stop refering to the catholic church as "The church" seeing as they are not the only Christian Church worldwide thirdly, you said something about the devil using people to tarnish the catholic image: the funny thing is: it goes both ways, the devil could actually be using the catholics and their "doctrines" to move other christians from the path of God Last of all, you said you did some "research" seeing as I have shared mine with you, could you please post this research for all to see? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 9:14am On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: I'm happy you chose a civilized avenue to let your views known... Here's a link that tells why there is nothing wrong with honoring the mother of Jesus. http://www.cmri.org/94prog9.htm Mart d dart: On Peter being Pope and why the title " Pope" was not dictated by the Bible Here's a link that shows that Peter was the first pope. http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/PETPOPE.HTM Mart d dart: here's an overview of some of the teachings that are not in accordance with the bible Here are links that show that NO Catholic teaching is contrary to scripture. www.biblechristiansociety.com www.scripturecatholic.com Mart d dart: For the record, I'm not the initiator of this thread but I believe I'll try my best to treat your views with consideration And you are yet to prove that the Catholic Church adulterated Chistianity. That verse you quoted doesnt say that "praying to Mary to intercede for you is wrong." However, I understand that that is what you want to force the verse to say. |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 9:25am On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: A pure case of misconception, the Op and I have nothing against catholics, only their doctrines... You mean there are many Christian Churches worldwide? Which among these was the "CHURCH" (SINGULAR) that Jesus said he would build on "...Peter...this rock..?" |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 9:41am On Apr 07, 2013 |
*going through the links*...did you actually read the verse?-the woman tried to "bless/praise" the womb that bore Jesus but He cut her short |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 10:17am On Apr 07, 2013 |
As regarding the issue concerning the church...He was refering to the Catholic Church as "the Church" this was very wrong, it shows bias which should not be allowed to take centre stage on this thread |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 10:37am On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: A pure case of misconception, the Op and I have nothing against catholics, only their doctrines...Lol u dey vex! After all 2000 years of existence, there must be something about the Church that has made it last so long. The church compiled the bible, verified its content, translated it into other languages, the church preserved christian history and traditions. The church has produced erudite scholars and theologians. Faith for us should be more than what feels right or what we intepret from the bible. The bible can mean whatever you want it too. And dont vex if we refer to the catholic church as "The Church" she is the only church that can trace her roots to Christ, no other church can do that. She has evolved over the years and that is because change is the only constant thing. 1 Like |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by ijawkid(m): 11:36am On Apr 07, 2013 |
italo:.......and this does not apply to mary and her moulded image??...the mary you guys say never died nor was born a sinner....... italo: Hmmm.......bead users claim they aint idolaters.......mayb you could explain that to buddhists..... italo: You need pictures again??..... |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 12:49pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
math-diva:Change doesn't just cut it except it's positive change "The only church that can trace it's record to Jesus Christ" was that before or after the romans who are the founders of the catholic faith gave orders for him to be cruxified and tried to kill all the apostles and believers who bore witness to his ressurection funny you should mention the "bible" been brought into existence by the catholics, have you even bothered to research why the catholics altered the bible from its original state, refused the bible from being translated into other languages other than Latin...speaking of which, have you read the "catholic version" of the bible, compare the ten commandments in that version with original text version |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 1:08pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
I talked to a catholic friend and He told me He was taught by his parish priest that Mary died a virgin...so for all y'all who are like-minded, please read Mark 6:3...her other children include Joses, Judas, James and Simon, it was also stated that she had daughters although their names were not mentioned |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:23pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: *going through the links*...did you actually read the verse?-the woman tried to "bless/praise" the womb that bore Jesus but He cut her short I have read that verse about 100 times. I still cant find the part of it that says "praying to Mary to intercede for you is wrong." Can you show me that part? Also, Mary says, in the book of Luke, "all generations shall call me BLESSED." So do you think that Jesus was contradicting that statement and also contradicting God's commandment that he should honour his mother? |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 1:23pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
The articles in the links were written with good command of the english language...thats the only good thing about them, the one on exulting or praising mary is espiecially laughable, enough said the links I posted will serve as a rep for affirmation, I didn't post up articles, I posted argument points followed closely with multiple verses from the bible(not catholic edition)..if I wanted an article I would have easily asked for it(there are lots of those on the internet) Point of reference for posting of future links: Discussion points not lengthy and pointless articles |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:30pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: As regarding the issue concerning the church...He was refering to the Catholic Church as "the Church" this was very wrong, it shows bias which should not be allowed to take centre stage on this thread So as we KNOW The Catholic Church to be the one true Church, we shouldnt proclaim it so because we want other people will call it "bias?" I asked and you didnt tell me: You mean there are many Christian Churches worldwide? Which among these was the "CHURCH" (SINGULAR) that Jesus said he would build on "...Peter...this rock..?" |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Nobody: 1:36pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
italo:Luke 11:27 "As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave birth and nursed you" 28 He replied, "rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it" If this doesn't show you, I wonder what will |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by Enigma(m): 1:37pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: As regarding the issue concerning the church...He was refering to the Catholic Church as "the Church" this was very wrong, it shows bias which should not be allowed to take centre stage on this thread Some have tried to point out the difference between The Christian Church or catholic Church on the one hand and the Roman Catholic Church on the other. That difference is reflected in the description of the catholic Church below --- granted its last line or so is inflammatory. Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter XXV |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:39pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: Change doesn't just cut it except it's positive change You have very poor and disgraceful (I'm sorry to say) knowledge of Christian history. Tell us when the Romans founded the Catholic Church - with evidence. Tell us when the Bible came about and how it was in its "original state", and tell us when the Catholics altered it by creating the "Catholic version." |
Re: 40 Shocking & Terrible Quotes About A Pope! by italo: 1:42pm On Apr 07, 2013 |
Mart d dart: The articles in the links were written with good command of the english language...thats the only good thing about them, the one on exulting or praising mary is espiecially laughable, enough said But you have not been able to refute anything in the links I posted. |
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