armadeo:



Jeez.


Sarcasm dude.

honorbule:
can this happen?

armadeo:


The theories we would hear before next year would be interesting.

Now it's a possibility since targaryan married themselves.

And Danny plans to marry in order to hold the seven kingdoms.

honorbule:

eh..you say married egbon and aburo?..thats so ridiculous. .well I will keep my fingers crossed oh

honorbule:
can this happen?

armadeo:

The theories we would hear before next year would be interesting.
Now it's a possibility since targaryan married themselves.
And Danny plans to marry in order to hold the seven kingdoms.

Gbola5:



Jon would be a poor choice for her.

Nihilist:


In so many ways.

SIRcumalot:

incest aside,
best situation for everybody
the way I see it she conquers the south,weds Jon and they fight the walkers.
she already married once for politics,she will do it again to prevent bloodshed.
plus I think she's barren so no pikin .
this is probably how the TV show ends.

Nihilist:


I'm not sure if a marriage of Jon and Danaerys makes much political sense.

She would need to marry someone who can lend legitimacy to her rule after her invasion ends. Right now Jon is king in the north, but how much political clout does he actually hold? He has no men under his own banner save for some wildlings, though admittedly he has the support of the major northern houses.

I doubt that the title of 'king in the north' means much outside the north, and to be honest, neither does the Stark name. So I don't think there's really any political advantage to marrying him. I also doubt that the martells and the tyrells would be particularly interested in submitting to the starks.

Lets see how it plays out.

timothyuche1:
I don't understand this talk about Jon been a targaryan?
Can someone please clarify me

SIRcumalot:


the stark name doesn't have to mean much outside the North but the Stark's are the north.
they have been in the north way before the targs even came to westeros

Legitimacy won't be an issue she has the name and the army.
Also the tyrell, Martell's and Stark's all hate the Lannisters.

The north as it is now is stronger than the south which is why I think dany's rolls through the south easily,
the army's of the vale may even decide to fight for the stark like they just did again.

Not to rehash old issues but you really don't care much for Jon.

SIRcumalot:


The north as it is now is stronger than the south which is why I think dany's rolls through the south easily,
the army's of the vale may even decide to fight for the stark like they just did again.


Not to rehash old issues but you really don't care much for Jon.

Nihilist:


That isn't even the point I was trying to raise sef. The Stark name is widely ridiculed or held in contempt outside the north if the show is anything to go by. Foreign invaders will often marry into the local aristocracy to blend in,and to gain acceptance and/or legitimacy for their rule from the conquered population. Jon currently has neither the required family name nor the political clout outside the north to make him an attractive marriage proposition. Even in the north, it remains to be seen how much loyalty he currently commands, and I have a strong suspicion that a power tussle between himself and Sansa could be in the offing.



The north actually have relatively few men left after Robb's disastrous expedition and only the Knights of the Vale appear to have a full strength army. With littlefinger harbouring title ambitions of his own, it remains to be seen what camps the Knights of the Vale will eventually declare for.
The Southern Armies by contrast seem to be largely intact by virtue of avoiding combat using the Red Wedding. Though it has to be said, those dragons provide a massive tactical advantage to Danaerys.

Nihilist:


Jon isn't a Stark as you well know. The lords of Northern houses have declared to fight for Jon Snow not Jon Stark. If Bran Stark comes back tomorrow and declares an ambition to the Stark holdings, then theoretically Jon has very little Locus Standi.

That isn't even the point I was trying to raise sef. The Stark name is widely ridiculed or held in contempt outside the north if the show is anything to go by. Foreign invaders will often marry into the local aristocracy to blend in,and to gain acceptance and/or legitimacy for their rule from the conquered population. Jon currently has neither the required family name nor the political clout outside the north to make him an attractive marriage proposition. Even in the north, it remains to be seen how much loyalty he currently commands, and I have a strong suspicion that a power tussle between himself and Sansa could be in the offing.


That's actually not enough, and I think that relationships at play are far more complex than the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I really dont think the Tyrells for example, will be willing to commit to Danaerys's rule just for revenge. They have been married into royalty on 3 occasions so I wonder what they would want in return for their assistance.
If the conversation with Yara is anything to go by, we might be looking at a Balkanization of Westeros, and Danaerys may find her kingdom far smaller than she imagined.



The north actually have relatively few men left after Robb's disastrous expedition and only the Knights of the Vale appear to have a full strength army. With littlefinger harbouring title ambitions of his own, it remains to be seen what camps the Knights of the Vale will eventually declare for.
The Southern Armies by contrast seem to be largely intact by virtue of avoiding combat using the Red Wedding. Though it has to be said, those dragons provide a massive tactical advantage to Danaerys.



Lol You Too?
I would have thought that you would be more familiar with my writing style and thought processes.
Well this has nothing to do with that. I'm just saying.

Gbola5:



The Stark name isn't ridiculed. They're one of the oldest houses. Sansa wouldn't be an option for marriage if the name was riduculed. And they aren't broke. They have no debts.
The North has few men, the Lannisters have fewer. Only the Vale and Dorne still have their armies intact. And Dorne's army isn't that impressive. Note- This doesn't excuse Jon being a poor consort for Dany.

SIRcumalot:


He fly's the stark banner.
And to paraphrase one of those Northern's lord,to them Ned's blood (we know better they don't)flows in his veins.

those Northern lord never followed Sansa I doubt they would follow Bran.
Both the southern army and the Northern army have been fighting prior to the red wedding.
And the North was winning the war.
So the losses are on both sides.
Not all the northern army cross the twins for the wedding ceremony.
The defection of the tyrells that supplied Men,food and money to the Lannister's can't be easily replaced.
Plus the finest military mind in the south that survived cersei's madness is Ser Jamie.

The Matriarch of the Tyrrell's stated that she is in this for revenge now.
Plus,she has no suitable offspring to marry off at least in the show.

This is running longer than I intended but this is just how I think it will go down.
Danys wins in the south and just as she is about to fight the North the whole kingdom faces the real threat of the walkers
A marriage alliance is proposed.

Oh am familiar All right,but this is still fiction and Jon is the hero. He already cheated death.

Ultimately,I hope am wrong cause I do like to be surprised.

SIRcumalot:


Plus the finest military mind in the south that survived cersei's madness is Ser Jamie.

Nihilist:


Ed Stark had his head chopped off and left to rot on a pole in public. His daughter's betrothal to the king was cancelled in humiliating fashion then she was married off to her father's enemy to be constantly rapped. His son was killed, his head chopped off, and his dog's head was sewn on to his shoulders and the corpse paraded in the streets. The Stark castle was captured twice with no protest from Kings landing. Even worse, the title of Warden of the North was stripped from the starks and given to their enemies. At the time to raise an Army to reclaim their castle, none of the main houses would answer their call....And after everything that happened, the Nothern Lords are now sworn to a guy who isn't even a Stark

That name has been ridiculed beyond shame sef.

Gbola5:


You're referencing things happened to them. I assure you that the Stark name hasn't been tainted. It's quite the opposite actually. It was; Joffrey whose name was ridiculed for giving the commands; The Freys for killing and mutillating guests under their roof, after giving bread and salt; the Ironborn for trying to hold a region whose ways were different; the Boltons for committing treason. King's Landing couldn't protest if a Castle in the realm was captured in the midst of war, plus they had Blackwater to deal with during this. The title of Warden of the North was stripped because the Starks had lost the war, with no known living member(or the North would have rallied); Besides the Boltons were holding the North for a time as Tyrion could get a child from Sansa; and bookwise, they had to create a fake Arya to cement their hold of the North, showwise they had to make Sansa fill that role. The parts about marrying to be constantly raped, or the North not responding, gods know where the writers got that from.

Gbola5:


You mean Randyll Tarly.

SIRcumalot:

show not book.
also he barely qualifies as a minor character so far.

I could've easily mention an alliance between the crippled tyrell and dany.
instead of Jon,but this is the show.

Gbola5:



Randyll Tarly is in the show. Jaime is more of a soldier than a commander. Or heck Bronze Yohn Royce.

Nihilist:


I am referencing things that were deliberately DONE to them within the context of the show. All the Starks tgat have been killed have executed publicly in thr most humiliating ways possible.

The ones that are alive have been treated with extreme disdain also in public.

I interpret that as ridicule. Fair enough if you see it differently .

SIRcumalot:

To my knowledge we've only seen this dude in a few scenes in one episode.
Jamie just broke the riverrun siege and led part of the Lannister army against Robb before he was captured.

Gbola5:



I seem to recall a scene where Stannis references Randyll to Samwell, when he arrives at the wall. And then we finally see him, in the South, therefore Jaime can't be the finest military mind, in the South. Jaime broke the siege with threats to Edmure. While Jaime led part of the Lannister army, they only took part in skirmishes accross the Riverlands, he was captured in his first battle in the war.

arantess:

Gbola5:

The argument was that the family name didn't mean much, in or out of the North, and i disagree.

Any more humiliating than dying in a privy ?