chinedumo:



Why did he run out of speedforce ?

Unlike Barry who as a special connection to the speed force, other speedsters find it hard to retain their superspeed after time traveling

Oluwaseytiano:
Unlike Barry who as a special connection to the speed force, other speedsters find it hard to retain their superspeed after time traveling

That is the.point I am trying to make. Barry created the speed force

Anyone realise this zoom is a poor incarnation,
*The zoom from the comic doesn't have access to speed force
*Zoom is fast, fastest speedster infact due to the fact he utilises time by slowing down everything around him, thereby making him fast
* He is a wally west version of Flash villain
imo i think dey brought zoom in too early
The Flash has enough villains (blue cobalt my fav cuz he his Barry Allen twin and a Thawn)
Are gonna keep having a speedster villain every season.
Even with 3 speedster already (Jesse Quick, Wally west and Barry)

Oluwaseytiano:
According to the comics, sometime in the future Barry will run so fast that he will travel back to the past and become the very same lightening that struck him. When [Allen
runs, he generates] the kinetic wall between
the present and the time barrier. Initially Jay didn't draw power from the speed force, he connected with it after using V6 although at the cost of his health.

Err...Can I get the comics?

amicableSavage:
Err...Can I get the comics?

Lol, where do u even want to start from

Oluwaseytiano:
Lol, where do u even want to start from

Lol. I'll read with tachyon enhancement

chinedumo:


Exactly he generates the speed force that is why zoom wants his speed force. That is why Eobard wanted to kill Barry

eobard thawne wanted to kill barry cause he hates barry as nd he wanted to be like barry nd surpass barry but he couldnt dats why he wants to kill him nd dats d reason why he went back in time to kill barry as a child but didnt succeed

Dalek:
Anyone realise this zoom is a poor incarnation,
*The zoom from the comic doesn't have access to speed force
*Zoom is fast, fastest speedster infact due to the fact he utilises time by slowing down everything around him, thereby making him fast
* He is a wally west version of Flash villain
imo i think dey brought zoom in too early
The Flash has enough villains (blue cobalt my fav cuz he his Barry Allen twin and a Thawn)
Are gonna keep having a speedster villain every season.
Even with 3 speedster already (Jesse Quick, Wally west and Barry)

we've already seen someone with the comic book zoom powers. Captin turtle or so.
Even though the show borrows from the comics its not exactly the same(which is a good thing

CzarRex:
eobard thawne wanted to kill barry cause he hates barry as nd he wanted to be like barry nd surpass barry but he couldnt dats why he wants to kill him nd dats d reason why he went back in time to kill barry as a child but didnt succeed

So why couldn't he kill him?

is there anyplace to download d comics?

chinedumo:



Why did he run out of speedforce ?

if you mean the reverse flash then it's because unlike the flash, his connection to the speed force is temporary.

Oluwaseytiano:
According to the comics, sometime in the future Barry will run so fast that he will travel back to the past and become the very same lightening that struck him. When [Allen
runs, he generates] the kinetic wall between
the present and the time barrier. Initially Jay didn't draw power from the speed force, he connected with it after using V6 although at the cost of his health.

That's the comics, we are talking about the TV series and here, the particle accelerator creates the flash and almost all the other speedsters with the exception of trajectory and Jay garrick.

parrotibaba:
That's the comics, we are talking about the TV series and here, the particle accelerator creates the flash and almost all the other speedsters with the exception of trajectory and Jay garrick.

the PA released dark matter that serve as catalyst to bringing out the meta human gene.All other speedsters are different from Barry. Jay was fuel by hard water, R- flash was fueled by taychons while Barry is fueled by pure lightening. Barry has q special connection to the speed force because he created it. Take it or leave it

parrotibaba:
if you mean the reverse flash then it's because unlike the flash, his connection to the speed force is temporary.

Why is his connection temporary?

Why are you dancing round this.

His connection ran out because of what he did to Barry.

By killing his mother he changed the timeline.

He killed his mother to stop Barry from becoming the flash.

As soon as he did that his speed force reduced.

he could travel back before but now he couldn't


The particle accelerator is suppose to explode 2020.

Many years into the future.

Eobard had to quicken it so that Barry can become the flash and help him return to the future.

Hence the need to impersonate Dr herrison wells
Kapish?

Oluwaseytiano:
the PA released dark matter that serve as catalyst to bringing out the meta human gene.All other speedsters are different from Barry. Jay was fuel by hard water, R- flash was fueled by taychons while Barry is fueled by pure lightening. Barry has q special connection to the speed force because he created it. Take it or leave it

You are still not getting it are you? In the flash TV show the particle accelerator created the flash alongside all the other meta humans. Eobard Thawne impersonated Harrison Wells and purposely let the particle accelerator explode just like it did in earth 2 thus creating zoom. Barry didn't create the speed force, the particle accelerator did. Remember the particle accelerator was supposed to explode in 2020 which will then create the flash but Eobard wanted to get back to his own time and that's the reason he impersonated wells and brought forward the particle accelerator explosion to 2014. Yes Barry has a special connection to the speed force but he didn't create it.Take it or leave it.

parrotibaba:
That's the comics, we are talking about the TV series and here, the particle accelerator creates the flash and almost all the other speedsters with the exception of trajectory and Jay garrick.

The speed force was created when that lightening struck Barry. The particle accelerator was a catalyst but it did not create the speed force. Its like saying a kryptonian is not powered by a yellow sun or the martian manhunter is not afraid of fire just because the comics is different from the TV show. The origin stories of comic characters are a strictly followed.

Oluwaseytiano:
The speed force was created when that lightening struck Barry. The particle accelerator was a catalyst but it did not create the speed force. Its like saying a kryptonian is not powered by a yellow sun or the martian manhunter is not afraid of fire just because the comics is different from the TV show. The origin stories of comic characters are a strictly followed.

The particle accelerator explosion is more than a catalyst. Alongside the thunder storm and the chemicals in Barry's lab, the particle accelerator created the flash and the speed force and not the thunder and chemicals themselves. Remember that earth 2 Barry Allen is just a regular guy and that the particle accelerator explosion made Jay garrick/zoom instead. The particle accelerator explosion in earth one created the speed force and the flash just like it created zoom in earth two and whoever is the flash in earth 3. The TV series do not necessarily follow the comics else Wally West should be the nephew of iris West and not her brother.

parrotibaba:
The particle accelerator explosion is more than a catalyst. Remember that earth 2 Barry Allen is just a regular guy and that the particle accelerator explosion made Jay garrick/zoom instead. The particle accelerator explosion in earth one created the speed force and the flash just like it created zoom in earth two and whoever is the flash in earth 3. The TV series do not necessarily follow the comics else Wally West should be the nephew of iris West and not her brother.

But Barry's mom has to be dead b4 he can become the flash. That didn't happen on earth 2. And even if there are a million earths and a million Flashs, Barry is still the flash-prime. There was a reason why Wally's origin was tweaked. Barry became the flash not because the particle accelerator exploded. No, he became a speedster because was struck by lightening unlike everyone else affected by the particle accelerator.

parrotibaba:
The particle accelerator explosion is more than a catalyst. Alongside the thunder storm and the chemicals in Barry's lab, the particle accelerator created the flash and the speed force and not the thunder and chemicals themselves. Remember that earth 2 Barry Allen is just a regular guy and that the particle accelerator explosion made Jay garrick/zoom instead. The particle accelerator explosion in earth one created the speed force and the flash just like it created zoom in earth two and whoever is the flash in earth 3. The TV series do not necessarily follow the comics else Wally West should be the nephew of iris West and not her brother.

There is only one speed force. The speed force is only connected to Barry and not other meta humans.

The particle accelaerator activated a meta gene in Barry. The PA DID not give Barry a meta gene.


Yes you can say that without the PA there will be no flash and hence no speed force.

parrotibaba:
The particle accelerator explosion is more than a catalyst. Alongside the thunder storm and the chemicals in Barry's lab, the particle accelerator created the flash and the speed force and not the thunder and chemicals themselves. Remember that earth 2 Barry Allen is just a regular guy and that the particle accelerator explosion made Jay garrick/zoom instead. The particle accelerator explosion in earth one created the speed force and the flash just like it created zoom in earth two and whoever is the flash in earth 3. The TV series do not necessarily follow the comics else Wally West should be the nephew of iris West and not her brother.

There is only one speed force. The speed force is only connected to Barry and not other meta humans.

The particle accelaerator activated a meta gene in Barry. The PA DID not give Barry a meta gene.


Yes you can say that without the PA there will be no flash and hence no speed force.

In earth two either Barry doesn't have the meta gene or he wasn't yet touched by the explosion.

Certainly in earth two it is hunters zolomon that has the speed meta gene.

Barry created the speed force in earth one alone.

chinedumo:


There is only one speed force. The speed force is only connected to Barry and not other meta humans.

The particle accelaerator activated a meta gene in Barry. The PA DID not give Barry a meta gene.


Yes you can say that without the PA there will be no flash and hence no speed force.

Exactly, dats why I call the PA a catalyst. Barry generates the speed force, while every other speedster just tap from it

Oluwaseytiano:
But Barry's mom has to be dead b4 he can become the flash. That didn't happen on earth 2. And even if there are a million earths and a million Flashs, Barry is still the flash-prime. There was a reason why Wally's origin was tweaked. Barry became the flash not because the particle accelerator exploded. No, he became a speedster because was struck by lightening unlike everyone else affected by the particle accelerator.

Barry's mom has nothing to do with him becoming the flash, in fact the death of his mom was as a result of the reverse flash hating the flash and thus decided to enact some sort of revenge.

Barry is not the prime flash or whatever you call him. Who knows who is the flash in earth 3 or 4 or 5? It might be Wally, Bart, Barry even, or Jay or Eddie or anyone who was struck by the particle accelerator explosion which is what they have in common.


Wally's story was tweaked by the producers, same way they made Connor hawke the son of diggle instead of Oliver Queen. They don't always follow the comics.


The particle accelerator explosion created the flash and not the lightning nor the chemicals, sure he was struck by lightning but the addition of the chemicals plus the particle accelerator explosion created the flash. Without the particle accelerator explosion, he won't be the flash just another dude struck by lightning. Think of the particle accelerator explosion as a person who has with him a match box, a can of pms and some trash, now the person wants to burn the trash with fire and fuel. Now without the person, the match box can't light itself to create fire and the fuel won't pour on the trash by itself but when you add the person, you get the desired result. The person lights up the match stick, pours the fuel on the trash and then lights up the thrash. The person is the particle accelerator explosion in this case and without him/it there will be no fire/flash.

chinedumo:


There is only one speed force. The speed force is only connected to Barry and not other meta humans.

The particle accelaerator activated a meta gene in Barry. The PA DID not give Barry a meta gene.


Yes you can say that without the PA there will be no flash and hence no speed force.

@the bolded is what I have been saying all along, without the particle accelerator explosion, there is no flash and no speed force.

The only flash with a meta human dna is actually Bart Allen(kid flash) and not Barry. The particle accelerator explosion combined with the lighting and the chemicals in the lab created the flash and not some meta gene in him. In the comics, that's exactly how just like Barry, Wally became the flash. You can prove me wrong though!!.

parrotibaba:
Barry's mom has nothing to do with him becoming the flash, in fact the death of his mom was as a result of the reverse flash hating the flash and thus decided to enact some sort of revenge.


The particle accelerator explosion created the flash and not the lightning nor the chemicals, sure he was struck by lightning but the addition of the chemicals plus the particle accelerator explosion created the flash. Without the particle accelerator explosion, he won't be the flash just another dude struck by lightning. Think of the particle accelerator explosion as a person who has with him a match box, a can of pms and some trash, now the person wants to burn the trash with fire and fuel. Now without the person, the match box can't light itself to create fire and the fuel won't pour on the trash by itself but when you add the person, you get the desired result. The person lights up the match stick, pours the fuel on the trash and then lights up the thrash. The person is the particle accelerator explosion in this case and without him/it there will be no fire/flash.

Read up on flashpoint about Barry's mom. The mardon bros were affected by the particle accelerator, did they gain super speed? Ronnie and Professor Stein were affected by the particle accelerator, did they gained super speed? What the particle accelerator did was to release the meta human gene in those who possessed it. The meta gene then gives theperson special abilities in accordance to its immediate environment. The mardons were hit with bad weather, so they gained weather powers, a certain man was about to be executed with lethal gas so he gained gas abilities, another man was thrown into molten tar, and he gained the ability to transform into tar

parrotibaba:



@the bolded is what I have been saying all along, without the particle accelerator explosion, there is no flash and no speed force.

The only flash with a meta human dna is actually Bart Allen(kid flash) and not Barry. The particle accelerator explosion combined with the lighting and the chemicals in the lab created the flash and not some meta gene in him. In the comics, that's exactly how just like Barry, Wally became the flash. You can prove me wrong though!!.

Why isn't everyone in central city running around with super powers?

Oluwaseytiano:
Read up on flashpoint about Barry's mom. The mardon bros were affected by the particle accelerator, did they gain super speed? Ronnie and Professor Stein were affected by the particle accelerator, did they gained super speed? What the particle accelerator did was to release the meta human gene in those who possessed it. The meta gene then gives theperson special abilities in accordance to its immediate environment.

First of all I have modified my post to touch on your other points. Can you read it again?


Secondly non of the other meta humans were struck by lightning and doused in chemicals, there just affected by the particle accelerator explosion.


This is an except from the flash wiki page.

"Fourteen years after his mother's death, an advanced particle accelerator malfunctions during its public unveiling, bathing the city center with a previously unknown form of radiation during a severe thunderstorm. Allen is struck by lightning from the storm and doused with chemicals in his lab. Awakening after a nine-month coma, he discovers he has the ability to move at superhuman speeds."

I will be back tomorrow to answer any more of your posts. Goodnight!

parrotibaba:



First of all I have modified my post to touch on your other points. Can you read it again?


Secondly non of the other meta humans were struck by lightning and doused in chemicals, there just affected by the particle accelerator explosion.


This is an except from the flash wiki page.






I will be back tomorrow to answer any more of your posts. Goodnight!

Finally we agree, he became the flash cos he was struck by lightening. If the PA hadn't malfunctioned he wouldn't have become the flash, that's true. That's why I called the PA a catalyst. If he hadn't be struck by lightening, he would have been like those who didn't gain super powes

Oluwaseytiano:
The mardons were hit with bad weather, so they gained weather powers, a certain man was about to be executed with lethal gas so he gained gas abilities, another man was thrown into molten tar, and he gained the ability to transform into tar

Exactly!


The mardon brothers become weather wizards because of the scenario they found themselves in and not about how they had certain genes. Barry was struck by lightning and together with his lab chemicals and the part accelerator, he became a speedster. Just like the other meta humans that turned. It has to do with what they came in contact with.

Again Barry's mom has nothing to do with him becoming the flash in this TV series.

parrotibaba:



Exactly!


The mardon brothers become weather wizards because of the scenario they found themselves in and not about how they had certain genes. Barry was struck by lightning and together with his lab chemicals and the part accelerator, he became a speedster. Just like the other meta humans that turned. It has to do with what they came in contact with.

Again Barry's mom has nothing to do with him becoming the flash in this TV series.

Its the butterfly effect, Barry cant be the flash as long as his mother is still alive. That was the reason why he was in that room when lightening struck.

parrotibaba:
The particle accelerator explosion is more than a catalyst. Alongside the thunder storm and the chemicals in Barry's lab, the particle accelerator created the flash and the speed force and not the thunder and chemicals themselves. Remember that earth 2 Barry Allen is just a regular guy and that the particle accelerator explosion made Jay garrick/zoom instead. The particle accelerator explosion in earth one created the speed force and the flash just like it created zoom in earth two and whoever is the flash in earth 3. The TV series do not necessarily follow the comics else Wally West should be the nephew of iris West and not her brother.

What's with the Jay Garrick story? Isn't it obvious that there's no Jay Garrick in this season of the flash? Rather zoom (Hunter Zholomon) stole that identity & equally borrowed that story from the real Jay Garrick who is probably is on another earth.

parrotibaba:



@the bolded is what I have been saying all along, without the particle accelerator explosion, there is no flash and no speed force.

The only flash with a meta human dna is actually Bart Allen(kid flash) and not Barry. The particle accelerator explosion combined with the lighting and the chemicals in the lab created the flash and not some meta gene in him. In the comics, that's exactly how just like Barry, Wally became the flash. You can prove me wrong though!!.

What you fail to understand is that all the speed force bart, wally and any other speed star will be using is that that Barry generated.

Bart's Genetic connection to the speed force means As first conceived by writers, Bart was born in the
30th century to Meloni Thawne and Don Allen,
and is part of a complex family tree of
superheroes and supervillains. His father, Don, is
one of the Tornado Twins and his paternal
grandfather is Barry Allen, the second Flash. His
paternal grandmother, Iris West Allen, is also the
adoptive aunt of the first Kid Flash, Wally West
(Bart's first cousin once removed).

Barry had the meta gene. Stop confusing it with genetic connection
Bart Allen doesn't have meta gene

In the comics
One year after the end of Infinite Crisis, the Speed
Force was still believed to be missing, and Jay
Garrick was the sole Flash due to his metagene
compensating for the loss of the Speed Force.
However, it was soon revealed that the Speed
Force still existed. The Speed Force was now
unstable and Bart was afraid it would kill him.
According to tests run by S.T.A.R. Labs, the
entirety of the Speed Force was now within Bart,
who was now the only person who could use it.


Barry is the first on earth one to access the speed force.

Oluwaseytiano:
Its the butterfly effect, Barry cant be the flash as long as his mother is still alive. That was the reason why he was in that room when lightening struck.

it's actually wrong. The reason Barry was in that room was because he followed the reverse flash back in time after he found out that the reverse flash was going to kill his younger self, future flash/Barry intervened by taking his younger self out of the house. Angered by this the reverse flash killed his mom and framed his dad because he thought a family tragedy will cause Barry not becoming the flash but then the reverse flash lost his connection to the speed force and learning that professor wells was responsible for creating the flash in the future, he killed the man and impersonated him, caused the particle accelerator explosion earlier than it was supposed to explode thus creating the flash because he needed his speed to get back to his own time.