vedaxcool:

Oga tinting I thruway salute! Well Done (saying it with a deep baritone voice) na so you they knock pikin for head abeg after you knock pikin you go try bring them closer pet them, Jesus is not God, neither is he the son of God neither did he perform miracles by his own powers both the bible and theQur'an confirms this, but would they listen?

Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave. And I announce to you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you if you are to be believers.
And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path. (Qur’an 3: 49-51).


tinting again I trouawy salutee!

No sir... For Jesus(as) to create a bird does still make him mortal cuz before he did he make sure the people know he didnt do it by his own power and authority, he clear their mind that he is not God but worship God and he is not the first person to perform miracle nor the last.

If other prophets of God could perform miracles then they should all be call God....but each prophet make it known to the people that their miracles is by God will and power.

alexis:
So, only Jesus was able to . Again, this is from your own Quran. Mohammed wasn't able to even though you claim he was the last prophet






Of course other prophets performed miracles and we all know that God provides the power for them to perform those miracles.

vedaxcool:
Did the Qur'an say other prophets or was specifically reffering to Jesus? That he did what he did because Allah gave him the power to do so? PLease answer if you are truithful. As clearly the verse was speaking of Jesus and say clearly he performed the miracles he did by Allah's leave i.e. Allah gave him the power to do what he did! You can cherry pick on that verse!

Before I show you an example of what you are demanding I ask what do I get for showing you that there are other prophet who did something greater than what you yapping about? I expect that you have an intention for yapping repeatedly over a non issue? SO what will be my gain for showing, would you reject that Jesus is anothe prophet of God with no special powers except given by God?[/b]

alexis:

Listen - the proof is SIMPLE - show me which other prophet created a living creature. AGAIN, I am not doubting that it is with the power of ALLAH. All I am asking is show me one from your Quran. If you can't find one in the Quran, then go ahead and use the BIBLE. In between, tell us which Bible you are using since the one Christians have is corrupt

If it is a non issue as you have stated - why can't you MENTION ONE PROPHET THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE LIVING THINGS. Your own prophet Mohammed, which miracle did he do? You claim he is the last and greatest of all the prophets - what did He do? He couldn't save himself from poison, talk more of any other kind of miracle.

[size=18pt]MY CHALLENGE STILL STANDS - SHOW ME ANY PROPHET THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A LIVING THING FROM YOUR QURAN. YOUR QURAN SAID JESUS CREATED A LIVING BIRD OUT OF CLAY. That means Jesus has the power of Creation abi? If I am lying, tell me I am lying. Tell me your Quran didn't say so.[/size]

Keep shooting yourself in the foot

THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET - I "alexis" WILL CONVERT TO ISLAM if vexacool can show me any prophet in the Quran that has the power of creation like Jesus Christ.

If you can't or any muslim can't then you will have confirmed what your Quran said -

1. Jesus Christ has the power of creation.
2. A mortal man doesn't have the power of creation
3. Only God has the power of creation

AND YES - IF GOD HAS THE POWER OF CREATION AND JESUS HAS THE POWER OF CREATION - WHAT DOES THAT MAKE JESUS?

vedaxcool:


Why are you lying?

Have you heard the sayimg All liars shall perish?

My question remain simple, the words of the Qur'an are clear, according to Allah's Leave (that is Allah gave him the power to do what he did), that is how Jesus performed the miracle, either you accept the verse in its' entirety or you reject it, you can have it both ways! else point where it says Jesus have the power to create living things else you are aliar! DAZ ALL


Moses turned a dead wood into a living snake according to the Qur'an and then truned it back to its dead wood;




26:32 So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest


It also happened in the bible:

Aaron’s Wooden Staff Becomes a Snake

8 The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron. 9 He said, “Pharaoh will say to you, ‘Do a miracle.’ When he does, speak to Aaron. Tell him, ‘Take your wooden staff and throw it down in front of Pharaoh.’ It will turn into a snake.”

10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh. They did exactly as the Lord had commanded them. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials. It turned into a snake.

11 Then Pharaoh sent for wise men and those who do evil magic. By doing their magic tricks, the Egyptian magicians did the same things Aaron had done. 12 Each one threw his staff down. Each staff turned into a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed theirs up.

13 In spite of that, Pharaoh’s heart became stubborn. He wouldn’t listen to them, just as the Lord had said.





2:260 And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [ Allah ] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [ Allah ] said, "[b]Take four birds and commit them to yourself. Then [after slaughtering them] put on each hill a portion of them; then call them - they will come [flying] to you in haste. And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."[/b]

joseph1832:
Dude, I believe you are running from the question, the prophets you mentioned were also mentioned in the Bible, so why not mention the one prophet he asked?

vedaxcool:


reading with your eyes closed again are we?

vedaxcool:


Why are you lying?

Have you heard the sayimg All liars shall perish?

My question remain simple, the words of the Qur'an are clear, according to Allah's Leave (that is Allah gave him the power to do what he did), that is how Jesus performed the miracle, either you accept the verse in its' entirety or you reject it, you can have it both ways! else point where it says Jesus have the power to create living things else you are aliar! DAZ ALL


Moses turned a dead wood into a living snake according to the Qur'an and then truned it back to its dead wood;




26:32 So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest


It also happened in the bible:

Aaron’s Wooden Staff Becomes a Snake

8 The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron. 9 He said, “Pharaoh will say to you, ‘Do a miracle.’ When he does, speak to Aaron. Tell him, ‘Take your wooden staff and throw it down in front of Pharaoh.’ It will turn into a snake.”

10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh. They did exactly as the Lord had commanded them. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials. It turned into a snake.

11 Then Pharaoh sent for wise men and those who do evil magic. By doing their magic tricks, the Egyptian magicians did the same things Aaron had done. 12 Each one threw his staff down. Each staff turned into a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed theirs up.

13 In spite of that, Pharaoh’s heart became stubborn. He wouldn’t listen to them, just as the Lord had said.

2:260 And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [ Allah ] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [ Allah ] said, "[b]Take four birds and commit them to yourself. Then [after slaughtering them] put on each hill a portion of them; then call them - they will come [flying] to you in haste. And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."[/b]

If God wills, another man will tomorrow create a living creature out of clay (or even a monkey can do same if God wills):-). Gods will will always be done and i believe you understand that except you dont believe God does what he wills. We understand there are somethings God will not do but note that God will not hold back to set forth example as required for man to heed the call to salvation. Quran 2:26

I think for a true seeker of salvation, one needs to first define what he expects of God and possible attributes God should have before concluding.

Do you know the story of How Abraham discovered God, Read Quran 6:76-79

6:76 (Asad) Then, when the night overshadowed him with its darkness, he beheld a star;., [and] he exclaimed, "This is my Sustainer!" -but when it went down, he said, "I love not the things that go down."

6:77 (Asad) Then, when he beheld the moon rising, he said, "This is my Sustainer!"-but when it went down, he said, "Indeed, if my Sustainer guide me not. I will most certainly become one of the people who go astray!"

6:78 (Asad) Then, when he beheld the sun rising, he said, "This is my Sustainer! This one is the greatest [of all]!" - but when it [too] went down, he exclaimed: "O my people! Behold, far be it from me to ascribe divinity, as you do, to aught beside God!

6:79 (Asad) Behold, unto Him who brought into being the heavens and the earth have I turned my face, having turned away from all that is false; and I am not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him."

vedaxcool:


Why are you lying?

Have you heard the sayimg All liars shall perish?

My question remain simple, the words of the Qur'an are clear, according to Allah's Leave (that is Allah gave him the power to do what he did), that is how Jesus performed the miracle, either you accept the verse in its' entirety or you reject it, you can have it both ways! else point where it says Jesus have the power to create living things else you are aliar! DAZ ALL


Moses turned a dead wood into a living snake according to the Qur'an and then truned it back to its dead wood;




26:32 So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest


It also happened in the bible:

Aaron’s Wooden Staff Becomes a Snake

8 The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron. 9 He said, “Pharaoh will say to you, ‘Do a miracle.’ When he does, speak to Aaron. Tell him, ‘Take your wooden staff and throw it down in front of Pharaoh.’ It will turn into a snake.”

10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh. They did exactly as the Lord had commanded them. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials. It turned into a snake.

11 Then Pharaoh sent for wise men and those who do evil magic. By doing their magic tricks, the Egyptian magicians did the same things Aaron had done. 12 Each one threw his staff down. Each staff turned into a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed theirs up.

13 In spite of that, Pharaoh’s heart became stubborn. He wouldn’t listen to them, just as the Lord had said.





2:260 And [mention] when Abraham said, "My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead." [ Allah ] said, "Have you not believed?" He said, "Yes, but [I ask] only that my heart may be satisfied." [ Allah ] said, "[b]Take four birds and commit them to yourself. Then [after slaughtering them] put on each hill a portion of them; then call them - they will come [flying] to you in haste. And know that Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."[/b]

tintingz: OGA VEDAXCOOL I THROW-WAY SALUTE SIR...

*clear throat* Mr. Alexis Moses(as) also created a living creature e.g snake... and stop repeating same sh!ts

*clear throat* Daz all...!!

tintingz: ^ Prophet Moses(as) created snake and the snake even swallow the other snakes like amala with ewedu

Jesus never created a living thing in the Qur'an and it is useless to argue such things with likes of you. You know why? Even the Jews who saw what you call an 'act of creation' did not believe in Jesus (AS). Every Prophet has the signs he was given.

The most clear indication of your foolhardiness is that the same Qur'an that you so eagerly seek to use as a reference for your spurious claims clearly states that Jesus never called himself God

Are you then seeking to believe and even overemphasis one part of the Qur'an whilst disbelieving in the other?

I call on my fellow Muslims not to fall into disbelief by saying anybody created anything other than Allah. It is the way of the disbelievers to ask for the impossible and still disbelieve thereafter. The story of the Prophet Salih (AS) comes to mind. For those who don't know, alexis is simply copying an argument from an antiIslamic website.

maclatunji: The story of Prophet Salih (AS) http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/salih.html

The fact of the matter is upon the establishment of Prophet Muhammad's (AS) as the final messenger, miracles were deemphasized. As it has been established, those miracles do not convince stark unbelievers and often hasten their punishment. However, there is no longer need to hasten punishment, the Hour is at hand.

alexis:

So, you are denying your own Quran now or I am lying, which one. Here is my evidence:

Surah 5:110 === When Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favour to thee and to thy mother, when I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit; thou spokest to people in the cradle and in old age, and when I taught thee the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel, and when thou didst determine out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then thou didst breathe into it and it became a bird by My permission; and thou didst heal the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the Children of Israel from thee when thou camest to them with clear arguments -- but those of them who disbelieved said: This is nothing but clear enchantment

SO JESUS NEVER CREATED A BIRD ABI - See a Muslim denying His own Quran oh!

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The test was to prove that He wasn't mortal - Go and read my post again.




Please answer me from your Quran.

alexis:

Whenever God sends a TRUE prophet, God backs it up with EVIDENCE. It's not a matter of unbelief, it's a matter of ordinance - TRUE PROPHET PERFORMS MIRACLES. How can you give someone something that you don't have? How can you give healing to someone if you can't even heal yourself? THE 1ST TEST OF PROPHET HOOD IS MIRACLES. That is why some of us wonder HOW Mohammed can be a prophet when he did perform A SINGLE MIRACLE.

alexis:
For example, look at the death of Mohammed - he died because of poison. Do you think poison will harm a true prophet? Paul in the bible wasn't even a prophet but he had the backing and mandate of God - he was biten by a viper, do you know what he did - HE SHOOK IT OFF and no harm came to him - GO FIGURE!

alexis:

Please SHOW us where it said Moses [size=18pt]CREATED[/size] the snake. Quote the verse from your Quran let us go over it. Dropping a staff on the ground and it turning to a stick means he created it abi? Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha!

vedaxcool:

SO did Moses actually do? lol why do you like Lying? or are insuating the staff was already a snake or the staff transformed on its own accord? . . . the challenge is what did Moses actually do?

- Staff was a dead piece of wood

- Moses turns staff into [size=18pt]living[/size] Snake -----> created life from the non living

- [size=18pt]living[/size] Snake swallows up other snake ---------------> the created life making tangible actions

- Moses turns [size=18pt]living[/size] Snake back to dead staff

Simply put it Moses, created life from a dead wood? or do you deny the wood did not become a living snake? Poor you, stake you entire belief for miracles, which have been outsandingly done by Moses, what sensible people I know do, is they copnvert from one religion to another because the other religion offers something better . . . Jesus describe people like you as sinful and adultrours generation;

A Sinful and aldutrous generation seeketh after a sign . . .

alexis:

Please quote the verses that said Moses CREATED the snake? Also, please tell us if you are quoting the Bible or quoting the Quran

vedaxcool:

So you are now denying; why the lies?




26:32 So [Moses] threw his staff, and suddenly it was a serpent manifest

what were you rebutting? Evangelism by lies I hail thee!

I rest my case, Moses performed an oustanding feat, from a wood/staff he created a live snake, then the live snake ate other sanke and then Moses turned the live snake back to a staff, superb feat by any mention, the same moses ripped open a pathway thru the sea, something that occurs mostly when a tsunami happens, anyway, Moses created life from a dead wood!

EOD

tintingz: ^^ Daz all...!!

tintingz: ^^ Daz all...!!

vedaxcool:
persin go cry, an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign - - - Jesus


1) Dead wood - the word dead means not alive

2) Moses brought the dead wood into a Life Snake - - - clearly the dead wood had left one state, the plant kingdom and change dramatically into the animal kingdom, a Snake.

Summary: from a staff/dead wood : Moses made a live snake!

3) Live snake swallowed other snakes!

4) Moses again returned the live snake to a dead wood!

The question is was the dead wood a snake?


Common sense No!


Another Question: the dead wood have inate ability to be a snake?


Common sense No!


Another poser: did the dead wood by itself decide to become a snake?

Common sense No!

Poser: did the fact that Moses changed the form of a dead wood to live snake, makes him creating life out of a dead wood?


Common sense Yes Yes Yes!


Did the Qur'an say Jesus created life by himself?


Common sense No!

What did it say then?

Jesus did what he did by Allah's leave, that is Allah grant him the power!


What does Jesus say about himself in the bible?

Jesus: By myself I can do nothing!

What does nothing means!

Common not a single thing can he do without Allah's granting him the power to do so!


Implication: Only one blind, dumb and deaf to the truth would over look the fact of the matter, both the Holy Qur'an and Bible agree, Jesus can only work miracles by Allah leave!

Or is Alexis implying Jesus was lying when he said by myself I can do nothing? Or by Allah leave the bird became alive or that Moses staff never became a live snake? you have a big lie to tell and I wish gudluck!

In their heart is a disease . . . For verily they are false to themselves!


EOD

vedaxcool:


The above nails the lies of alexis, the fact that I have gone as low as breaking down the information into tiny bits for all to see, shows us all, evangelism by lies in action. It makes it clear that a man who has no honor would not keep to his words, the fact that you have been show what you demanded puts the burden upon you to live up to your words, I have already confined you to my book of liars, but you still have the chance to live to your challenge and save your honor! Maybe being a muslim would abolish lies from your craig list!

So you accept the bible to be corrupted?

Lol