Sparkle1: They r still humans and should b treated like any other person cos their being gay doesn't affect me...instead of bullying,talk to them and[b] if one day they decide to change,thank God[/b]!!

jidegirl12:

There's no such thing as ^^^ the bolded sis....that's how they're made so lets thank God for them too.

steph7: I was having a conversation with a friend a few weeks ago, and somehow the topic digressed to gays and bullying.

My friend was of the opinion that gays should be bullied and forced to conform to the society's standards, I even gave examples of gay people who had been cyber bullied and as a result committed suicide and he was in total support of bullying.However, I was/am of the opinion that as long as they do not disturb me in my daily activities they should be left alone. Don't get me wrong, I am not in support of being gay, I can't even imagine a family member coming out but I believe they are human beings and no one should be subjected to bullying.

So NLDERS, what is your opinion , should they be bullied into becoming straight or left alone?

coogar:

they should not be bullied - they should be discouraged and sent to conversion schools.

baby_123:


Conversion what What goes on in these schools

coogar:

where homos are "straightened" out!

baby_123:
hmmm, i can imagine the hypocrisy going on in such organizations. This reminds me of one case i read about. Let me search for it to show you that kind of thing hardly works.

Mission Impossible:

WHY REPARATIVE THERAPY AND EX-GAY MINISTRIES FAIL



By Kim I. Mills
Education Director
Human Rights Campaign
Revised February 1999

"Opinions energetically propagated and spurious facts diligently disseminated color the thinking of the people, and not only the uneducated. The intellectual is deceived as easily as the untutored by sanctimonious professions that conform to the moral code of time and place and flatter the feeling of self-righteousness." — Franz Boas, 1927

Introduction

The Christian right has for years claimed that sexual orientation is a mutable characteristic -- but only when it comes to homosexuality. They assert that gay people (yet never heterosexuals) "choose" their sexual orientation and that with prayer and counseling -- and sometimes drugs or shock therapy -- they can leave the "gay lifestyle."

While some conservative Christians may believe it is their duty to lead gay people out of what they contend is an inherently sinful life, religious political activist organizations -- such as the Family Research Council and the Christian Coalition -- are motivated by politics. Public opinion polls consistently indicate that people who believe sexual orientation is a choice are less willing to support equal rights for lesbians and gays. For example, a 1996 poll found that among people who believed sexual orientation was a choice, 50 percent supported equal treatment of gays in employment; among those who believed sexual orientation was unchangeable, 69 percent supported equality in the workplace. 1 For religious political organizations seeking new fund-raising hooks since the fall of communism, this issue is a cash cow. These groups have consistently used the threat of what they have dubbed "the gay agenda" to motivate their adherents to contribute.

A recent spate of newspaper advertisements featuring people who claim to be ex-gay has revealed the fact that the sponsoring religious political organizations are promoting these techniques for political gain. The ads, which picture people who have undergone "conversions" to heterosexuality, have coincided with efforts by these religious political sponsors to derail the nomination of openly gay businessman James Hormel to be ambassador to Luxembourg; with an orchestrated effort to reverse President Clinton's executive order banning discrimination against gays in federal employment; and with an attempt to strip the San Francisco of federal housing funds because of its law requiring companies that do business with the city to offer domestic partner benefits.. The ads have also included statements by Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., comparing homosexuals to alcoholics, kleptomaniacs and sex addicts.

The idea for the ad campaign grew out of a Focus on the Family-sponsored meeting of religious political groups in Colorado Springs, Co., in June.2 "No focus groups, no polling," said Robert Knight of the Family Research Council. "We just did it."

These groups' assertions about sexual orientation are not borne out by the facts -- which doesn't stop the religious right from repeating over and over that they are correct and that gay rights organizations refuse to tell their community "the truth" about homosexuality -- namely that, in their minds, it is a mental disorder that can be cured.3

The facts

The psychological, medical and psychiatric establishments agree that sexual orientation cannot be changed, and that so-called "reparative therapy" aimed at altering gay peoples' orientations does not work and may, in fact, be harmful.

Here are some excerpts from position papers on this subject by the leading professional associations:

coogar:

it works - about 66% claimed their sexual orientation have changed - i mean good heterosexual functioning.

baby_123:
The stats dont support this. They rather show it is a big failure.

Sparkle1: I really don't think ppl r born 'gay'......It is a choice...sis!

coogar:

that article must have been written by a gay apologist!
those therapies have worked very well......i have stats to back it. the heterosexual functioning aspect has 5 criteria.

•being in a loving heterosexual relationship during the last year
•overall satisfaction in emotional relationship with a partner
•having heterosexual sex with the partner at least a few times a month
•achieving physical satisfaction through heterosexual sex
•and not thinking about having homosexual sex more than 15% of the time while having heterosexual sex

baby_123:
Show me evidence of your STATS, not the one Coogar did o. As those are going to be faulty, cause people can lie to you to save face. I prefer professional evidence

coogar:

i read it in a book some years back....robert spitzer published an article based on the responses of 200 faggöts. of course, he got criticised and shouted down by the "politically-correct" idiöts that his findings were flawed.

baby_123:
Now, Coogar, you are obviously not one to tolerate them. besides electronic copies of books are online. You can copy and paste let me see.

coogar:

google his name - i am sure he must have a wiki page!

jidegirl12: Baby it is well, God knows and sees all,

We have Gays and we have wannabe gays....go naked and strut your stuff right in front of a genuine Gay and he won't take a second look at that kitty

baby_123:
Ok, will look for it.

For real o. The real ones cannot be changed. It is how they are wired. It is like telling a strong heterosexual (e.g Coogar) to re-orientate and find a fellow guy attractive.

coogar:

no one is born gay......
rebellion and child abuse pushed many men into being gay. they resent their parents and they chose to be gay to piss off their parents. it's natural for every man to find a female attractive. that's the way God made men!