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Re: Information: Evidence Of A Creator. by Rexyl(m): 1:05pm On Aug 08, 2013
Emusan: Read through before you place any comment don't just scan/skim through.

For Darwinian (molecules-to-man) evolution to actually work, new genetic information is required each step of the way. In order for a fish to grow legs, new information must be encoded into the DNA. For a reptile to grow feathers, new information must be encoded into the DNA. For an apelike creature to evolve into a human, new information must be encoded into the DNA. This new information must add to or replace old information with new instructions to grow legs, or feathers, or human characteristics. But what is information and where does it come from?

Foundation for materialism (atheism, humanism, evolution) is that the universe consists of only two entities "mass and energy". Therefore, if a third entity can be shown to exist, then materialism and all philosophies based on it must also be false. Information is this third fundamental entity.

What is information?
In July 2006, a team of scientists representing various scientific disciplines met to evaluate a definition of information proposed by information scientist Dr. Werner Gitt, which is precise and corresponds very well to human languages and machine languages. The team proposed that this definition be called Universal Definition of Information (UDI) and agreed that there are four essential attributes that define it:
1. Code (syntax): Information within all communications systems contains a code. A code contains a set of symbols and rules for using letters, words, phrases, or symbols to represent something else. One reason for coding is to enable communication. Examples of codes would be the English alphabet, words, and syntax; hieroglyphics; or codes used in computers (for example, C,Fortran, or Cobol).

2. Meaning (semantics): Meaning enables communication by representing real objects or concepts with specific symbols, words, or phrases. For example, the word chair is not the physical chair but represents it. Likewise, the name “Bob” is not the physical person but represents the real person. When words are associated with real objects or concepts, it gives the word meaning.
For example, aichr and Bbo do not have meaning because they do not represent any real object or concept. However, if in the future one of these character strings were to represent a real object or concept, it would have meaning. Prior to the computer Internet age, the word blog had no meaning; today it is associated with a web page that serves as a personal log (derived from web log ) of thoughts or activities.

3. Expected Action (pragmatics): Expected action conveys an implicit or explicit request or command to perform a given task. For example, in the statement, “Go to the grocery store and buy some chocolate chips,” the expected action is that someonewill go to the store. This does not mean the action will actually happen, but it is expected to happen.

4. Intended Purpose (apobetics): Intended purpose is the anticipated goal that can be achieved by the performance of the expected action(s). For example, in the statement, “Go to the grocery store and buy some chocolate chips,” the intended purpose might be to bake and eat chocolate chip cookies.


These four essential attributes specify the definition domain for information. A definition of information (Universal Definitionof Information) was formulated by using these four attributes..

Scientific laws are precise statements formulated from discoveries made through observations and experiments that have been repeatedly verified and never contradicted. There are scientific laws about matter (Newton’s law of gravity, laws of thermodynamics, laws of electricity, and laws of magnetism). There is Pasteur’s law about life (law of biogenesis). Each of these laws is universal with no known exceptions. Scientific evidence that supports or refutes a scientific concept determines its level of certainty.
Fundamental Law 1 (FL1)
A purely material entity, such as physicochemical processes, cannot create a nonmaterial entity. (Something material cannot create something nonmaterial.)
Physical entities include mass and energy (matter). Examples of something that is not material (nonmaterial entity) include thought, spirit, and volition (will).


Fundamental Law 2 (FL2)
Information is a nonmaterial fundamental entity and not a property of matter.

The information recorded on a CD is nonmaterial. If you weigh a modern blank CD, fill it with information, and weigh it again, the two weights will be the same. Likewise, erasing the information on the CD has no effect on the weight.

Whao! I will just say this, if darkness is absence of light, evolunion is absence of creation, meaning there is nothing evolution without its ‘predecessor ‘ the creation. From the commentOoman believes that nothing was created in the nature but that all are products of evolution. Can iron exist for use in its pure form and as solid mass without being refined and modified by creative power of an intelligent being? And within reasonable time frame? If the answer affirmative yes, then Ooman is winning some points. But if no everyone should place creation well above evolution and begin to see evolution as an environmental impacts on the creation.

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Re: Information: Evidence Of A Creator. by Rexyl(m): 1:05pm On Aug 08, 2013
Emusan: Read through before you place any comment don't just scan/skim through.

For Darwinian (molecules-to-man) evolution to actually work, new genetic information is required each step of the way. In order for a fish to grow legs, new information must be encoded into the DNA. For a reptile to grow feathers, new information must be encoded into the DNA. For an apelike creature to evolve into a human, new information must be encoded into the DNA. This new information must add to or replace old information with new instructions to grow legs, or feathers, or human characteristics. But what is information and where does it come from?

Foundation for materialism (atheism, humanism, evolution) is that the universe consists of only two entities "mass and energy". Therefore, if a third entity can be shown to exist, then materialism and all philosophies based on it must also be false. Information is this third fundamental entity.

What is information?
In July 2006, a team of scientists representing various scientific disciplines met to evaluate a definition of information proposed by information scientist Dr. Werner Gitt, which is precise and corresponds very well to human languages and machine languages. The team proposed that this definition be called Universal Definition of Information (UDI) and agreed that there are four essential attributes that define it:
1. Code (syntax): Information within all communications systems contains a code. A code contains a set of symbols and rules for using letters, words, phrases, or symbols to represent something else. One reason for coding is to enable communication. Examples of codes would be the English alphabet, words, and syntax; hieroglyphics; or codes used in computers (for example, C,Fortran, or Cobol).

2. Meaning (semantics): Meaning enables communication by representing real objects or concepts with specific symbols, words, or phrases. For example, the word chair is not the physical chair but represents it. Likewise, the name “Bob” is not the physical person but represents the real person. When words are associated with real objects or concepts, it gives the word meaning.
For example, aichr and Bbo do not have meaning because they do not represent any real object or concept. However, if in the future one of these character strings were to represent a real object or concept, it would have meaning. Prior to the computer Internet age, the word blog had no meaning; today it is associated with a web page that serves as a personal log (derived from web log ) of thoughts or activities.

3. Expected Action (pragmatics): Expected action conveys an implicit or explicit request or command to perform a given task. For example, in the statement, “Go to the grocery store and buy some chocolate chips,” the expected action is that someonewill go to the store. This does not mean the action will actually happen, but it is expected to happen.

4. Intended Purpose (apobetics): Intended purpose is the anticipated goal that can be achieved by the performance of the expected action(s). For example, in the statement, “Go to the grocery store and buy some chocolate chips,” the intended purpose might be to bake and eat chocolate chip cookies.


These four essential attributes specify the definition domain for information. A definition of information (Universal Definitionof Information) was formulated by using these four attributes..

Scientific laws are precise statements formulated from discoveries made through observations and experiments that have been repeatedly verified and never contradicted. There are scientific laws about matter (Newton’s law of gravity, laws of thermodynamics, laws of electricity, and laws of magnetism). There is Pasteur’s law about life (law of biogenesis). Each of these laws is universal with no known exceptions. Scientific evidence that supports or refutes a scientific concept determines its level of certainty.
Fundamental Law 1 (FL1)
A purely material entity, such as physicochemical processes, cannot create a nonmaterial entity. (Something material cannot create something nonmaterial.)
Physical entities include mass and energy (matter). Examples of something that is not material (nonmaterial entity) include thought, spirit, and volition (will).


Fundamental Law 2 (FL2)
Information is a nonmaterial fundamental entity and not a property of matter.

The information recorded on a CD is nonmaterial. If you weigh a modern blank CD, fill it with information, and weigh it again, the two weights will be the same. Likewise, erasing the information on the CD has no effect on the weight.

Whao! I will just say this, if darkness is absence of light, evolunion is absence of creation, meaning there is nothing evolution without its ‘predecessor ‘ the creation. From the comments Ooman believes that nothing was created in the nature but that all are products of evolution. Can iron exist for use in its pure form and as solid mass without being refined and modified by creative power of an intelligent being? And within reasonable time frame? If the answer affirmative yes, then Ooman is winning some points. But if no everyone should place creation well above evolution and begin to see evolution as an environmental impacts on the creation.
Re: Information: Evidence Of A Creator. by ooman(m): 2:49pm On Aug 08, 2013
Rexyl:

Whao! I will just say this, if darkness is absence of light, evolunion is absence of creation, meaning there is nothing evolution without its ‘predecessor ‘ the creation. From the comments Ooman believes that nothing was created in the nature but that all are products of evolution. Can iron exist for use in its pure form and as solid mass without being refined and modified by creative power of an intelligent being? And within reasonable time frame? If the answer affirmative yes, then Ooman is winning some points. But if no everyone should place creation well above evolution and begin to see evolution as an environmental impacts on the creation.

Does diamond form naturally? And is it worth more than iron? Well answers are affirmative. So natural processes do make useful things spontaneously and stuff get contaminated most times. So no god or creator exist in nature.
Re: Information: Evidence Of A Creator. by Rexyl(m): 4:49pm On Aug 08, 2013
ooman:

Does diamond form naturally? And is it worth more than iron? Well answers are affirmative. So natural processes do make useful things spontaneously and stuff get contaminated most times. So no god or creator exist in nature.

Pls can you mention examples of evolution since human civilization - the time assumed that man had being in charge of his physical environment - modifying and creating something from natural resources. If the response is none then your submission is outdated that is you hold a theory that surfaced when man had not been involved in the creation and documentation. Or how could it disappear since time man has been keeping records? Or is it just disappearing for creative power of man? Or is it waiting to be active again after man would have been handicapped in his creative power?
Re: Information: Evidence Of A Creator. by Proffdada: 6:36am On Aug 11, 2013
Rexyl:

Pls can you mention examples of evolution since human civilization - the time assumed that man had being in charge of his physical environment - modifying and creating something from natural resources. If the response is none then your submission is outdated that is you hold a theory that surfaced when man had not been involved in the creation and documentation. Or how could it disappear since time man has been keeping records? Or is it just disappearing for creative power of man? Or is it waiting to be active again after man would have been handicapped in his creative power?
evolution is a crap invented those who dread HELL and try to get rid of the fear of facing their destiny there

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