frosbel:

let me realign your brain, who are you kidding here !

How can a Father be his Son and his Father at the same time, who is the one deluded here

enilove:

Frankly speaking, you do not know God.
Think on this verse:

Matthew 1:18
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

You expect to see a marital cord tied btw a human being and God his Creator?
You expect God to have a wife b4 He can have children?
Are angels not children of God?Do they have mothers?

Jesus is the Son of God.
Before Jesus came,there was a revelation about his existence. He told the Pharisees in John 8:58
"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." This means he is not an ordinary man as you think. As a Son of God he has the attribute of his Father ,so he is God. But not God Almighty.

Now read what was wrtten about him more than 2000 yrs b4 he came:

Proverbs 8:23-36 KJV
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: [29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: [30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; [31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. [32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. [33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. [35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord . [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Look at that verse 13 which says "I was SET UP from everlasting.....
What does it mean to set up?.
It means to CREATE
It means TO BRING ABOUT. etc

Jesus was set up by God ever b4 the world or heaven were created as His only begotten Son. B4 God created the angels.
Even, Jesus categorically said he has a father in heaven.
Since we can read in more than 50 verses in the Bible where Jesus called God his Father,why all these arguements?

I have taken my time to point this out to you because I know you are not a christian. I would not want you to close your eyes to the reality of what you have read above.

Let me add this. After Jesus ascended to heaven,he gave John a revelation.In this revelation,he still called God his Father.He also called God his God.
Lets read Revelation 3:5 KJV
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:12 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

If you are ready to know the truth,take your time and read the book of Revelation from chapter 1 to 6.After u can ask questns where you are not clear.

This is not about argumt but about not missing a divine opportunity.
Anyone who fails to accept Jesus Christ here on earth as his Lord and saviour ,will not have another when he departs from this world,and it will be a great disaster indeed.

Pray to God if you are not sure and He will direct you.

frosbel: Jesus is not GOD , he is the Son of GOD, even SATAN knows this.

truthislight:

^^

Error! Error! Error!

That place was talking about Yahweh and Jesus.

Rev 22:6-13 talked about Yahweh sending his angel, then from verse 16 and 17 talked about Jesus the root of Devid.

see:


"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
..........:..........
That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
..................

The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

"The lord God of the prophet" is Yahweh. QED.

Smh.

freedom61: my friend how many people get angel for heaven. no be God na im get angel. if Jesus get angel does that not telll you that Jesus is God. smh

enilove:


Proverbs 8:23-36 KJV
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: [29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: [30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; [31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. [32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. [33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. [35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord . [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Look at that verse 13 which says "I was SET UP from everlasting.....
What does it mean to set up?.
It means to CREATE
It means TO BRING ABOUT. etc

Jesus was set up by God ever b4 the world or heaven were created as His only begotten Son. B4 God created the angels.
Even, Jesus categorically said he has a father in heaven.
Since we can read in more than 50 verses in the Bible where Jesus called God his Father,why all these arguements?

truthislight: ^^^
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the Angel of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure." (2 Corinthians 12:7).

Even satan has ^ angels.

The word "angel" means messenger. Simple.

freedom61: always want to argue yourself out shey. satan get angels with him where im dey. unfortunately fr you. Jesus dey with the father, so Jesus no fit get im own independent angels wen go dey do him bidding outside the fathers.

added to the fact that Jesus will = the fathers will

freedom61: @ titingz i see yu are enjoying posting a criticism here, meanwhile your islam section mod has just started a movement to ban criticisms from that section. if you can do this here, then i see no reason why it cant be done over there.

take my word to him

truthislight:



smh for you. Jesus cannot have his messengers , a prince cannot have his own messengers.

You are a waste of my time.

shdemidemi:
please answer my question


Genesis 18:8

"And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; (these three men) and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."


All three ate, but who are these three people?

freedom61:

wrong wrong wrong
yu people carry wrong interpretaions and run with it thinking now we have got it.

lets get down to it, shall we
i was expecting the verse to say "i was set up at a certain time" but no. the verse says i was set up at no time at all but at eternity at everlasting.

2. does set up mean to create.
i set up the temporal tent [canopy] outside, did i just make the canopy. smh

3. now look at the meaning of the word from which set up is translated. it is nacak {naw-sak'} #5258 נָסַךְ
it means
1. to pour out, pour, offer, cast
2. to set, install

the two meanings does not mean to create something. you pour out what has being in existence. you set up already existing parts. you install an already pronounced king [case in point. when a king dies automatically the prince is now the king. the installation does not make the king, it only confirms][case in point 2: i just installed a software in my system. did i just create the software]

summary: to pour out and to install should not be confused as creation.

freedom61:

wrong wrong wrong
yu people carry wrong interpretaions and run with it thinking now we have got it.

lets get down to it, shall we
i was expecting the verse to say "i was set up at a certain time" but no. the verse says i was set up at no time at all but at eternity at everlasting.

2. does set up mean to create.
i set up the temporal tent [canopy] outside, did i just make the canopy. smh

3. now look at the meaning of the word from which set up is translated. it is nacak {naw-sak'} #5258 נָסַךְ
it means
1. to pour out, pour, offer, cast
2. to set, install

the two meanings does not mean to create something. you pour out what has being in existence. you set up already existing parts. you install an already pronounced king [case in point. when a king dies automatically the prince is now the king. the installation does not make the king, it only confirms][case in point 2: i just installed a software in my system. did i just create the software]

summary: to pour out and to install should not be confused as creation.

ijawkid:

Oboy they are Gods angels.......

frosbel: "why do you call it blasphemy when I say, 'I am the Son of God'? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world." - John 10:36

- Jesus




John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him

- God



"48 “How do you know me?” Nathanael asked.

Jesus answered, “I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you.”

49 Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.” - John 1

- Nathan



"Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." - Matthew 16:16

- Peter




GOD, Jesus, Nathan and Peter disagree with Trinitarians, they are on their own with this 3-god Heresy.

shdemidemi:
Show me how you came to the conclusion-

Bidam: Lol,this dude is funny,why are you afraid to add Paul to the mix.

ijawkid:

Jesus gives the perfect answer.......

John 6:46

New International Version
(©2011)
No one has seen the Father
except the one who is from God;
only he has seen the Father.


Abraham did not and has never seen God........

Except abraham is Jesus.....

shdemidemi:

You did not answer my question-
Genesis 18:8

"And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; (these three men) and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."


All three ate, but who are these three people?

You said angels-- I ask, how did you come to the conclusion that they were angels?

frosbel:

Mate , stop tearing the word of God apart, you are so far off the truth on this matter , you need to start from square 1 and re-evaluate your stance on this matter, currently it is FALSE.

freedom61:

wrong wrong wrong
yu people carry wrong interpretaions and run with it thinking now we have got it.

lets get down to it, shall we
i was expecting the verse to say "i was set up at a certain time" but no. the verse says i was set up at no time at all but at eternity at everlasting.
2. does set up mean to create.
i set up the temporal tent [canopy] outside, did i just make the canopy. smh

3. now look at the meaning of the word from which set up is translated. it is nacak {naw-sak'} #5258 נָסַךְ
it means
1. to pour out, pour, offer, cast
2. to set, install

the two meanings does not mean to create something. you pour out what has being in existence. you set up already existing parts. you install an already pronounced king [case in point. when a king dies automatically the prince is now the king. the installation does not make the king, it only confirms][case in point 2: i just installed a software in my system. did i just create the software]

summary: to pour out and to install should not be confused as creation.

frosbel:

"1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 1:1-4

- Paul

shdemidemi:

You did not answer my question-
Genesis 18:8

"And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; (these three men) and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."


All three ate, but who are these three people?

You said angels-- I ask, how did you come to the conclusion that they were angels?

ijawkid:

I gave you answer from the one person who has seen God and who knows that no man has seen God at anytime.......except when abraham saw God Jesus was sleeping or maybe was on hibernation......


If abraham has seen God then abraham must be Jesus............

Through out the scriptures all those who in their mind thought they saw God face to face saw and met his direct representatives.......

These representatives have spoken words like they were GOD....but they were his representatives.........

Oboy you better go back to the drawing board......


No man hath anytime seen God,except the one who came from God....

Would you like to agree with Jesus who has clarified this issue as to how patriachs of old saw God or you wouldn't ??.......

ijawkid:
_____________________________
Judges 6:11-15

English Standard Version (ESV)


11 Now the angel of the LORD came and sat
under the terebinth at Ophrah, which belonged
to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon
was beating out wheat in the winepress to hide
it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of
the LORD appeared to him and said to him,
“The LORD is with you, O mighty man of valor.”
13 And Gideon said to him, “Please, sir,[a] if
the LORD is with us, why then has all this
happened to us? And where are all his
wonderful deeds that our fathers recounted
to us, saying, ‘Did not the LORD bring us up
from Egypt?’ But now the LORD has forsaken
us and given us into the hand of Midian.”
14 And the LORD[b] turned to him and said,
“Go in this might of yours and save Israel from
the hand of Midian; do not I send you?” 15 And
he said to him, “Please, Lord, how can I save
Israel? Behold, my clan is the weakest in
Manasseh, and I am the least in my father's
house.”
______________________________

shdemidemi:

We can clearly see that the angel was the messenger in this instance. Can we then infer that it was an angel that spoke with Adam in the garden. I am sure you won't want to say that cos we were not told that, infact, It was God himself speaking in Genesis.

Please check Genesis 18 properly to see who the three men really were.

shdemidemi:

You did not answer my question still, seem yo u have no answer for calling the three of them angels or do you?