mamaput:

I do not feel like making a point .
But it seems to me true Muslims are more tolerant than Christians.

This is the BEST joke EVER. It's obvious you don't live among so many muslims. I go to a catholic school but the students are 90 % muslims and they are NOT tolerant.
A white boy got killed in my town and everybody said the killers were muslims, even the media and the ministry of whatever. Only to find out that the real killers were Polish. Go figure.

What about the man we saw on TV who was sentenced to death for converting to chritianity?

@mamaput

Kimba the religion is a whole way of life not just the church going,

Is it not all about If i do this god will punish me.
Some countries in the world their standard insult is mess you mess this , rubbish .

But in Nigeria is it not more like god punish you lightning strike you , your mother , your father. HM

Yes, I know and have said it over and over again that religion is not just going to Chuch

Your notion on churches in Nigeria is wrong. How many churches in Nigeria have you attended, and how many of them call down lightninig from here and there. The MFM is the peeps that pray those kinda prayers and not the Deeper Life Bible Church.

Afeni, you need to sit down and pause. What obtains now is what has always happened in the progress of human history:

Somebody has an idea, a vision, or an inspiration and tries to communicate it to his immediate community. They say he is carzy. He moves off, carrying a small group of people with him. The inspiration blossoms, and the light of truth shines. People see the truth eventually, but human nature (pride, anger, vanity, etc) prevents reconciliation with the old movement. Effectively the community has been split into two schools of though, though sharing the same roots.And the cycle repeats itself. That's why we have hundreds of denominations of christianity now.

It happens in physics too. And in psychology. But because of the closely linked bond between a man's religion and his social and mental well being, religion takes priority for him.

When people ask, are you a christain, i say yes. When they ask what church do you go to, i say is that what matters? because once you mention a denomination, they "class" you. I hate that. I dont have a chuch i go to. Not yet, anyway. But i believe in the Word of God, i believe that Christianity is more of a way of life than a religion. Its not the rules, or the looks, or the sayings , or the "bless you"s or the big bibles that make you a Christian. it's the life of Christ reflected through you that does! What if we were in Communist Russia (in those days), where church was hush hush? Christians would still exist, church-goers will fizzle out.

Dont look at the dresses or the shouts or the composures of anybody when you are looking for a christian. Look at Christ, who they are supposed to be an image of. Nobody ever notices the old woman who comes early to church, wipes the benches, arranges the flowers and smiles at everybody who comes in. But she has a special place in the heart of God!

Afeni, Christians are not losers. Its the ordinary religious church-goers who are.

@donnie,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I found a few interesting things in yours that I'd like to address:

donnie:

Please let me explain something. I told you that satan has power only over the ignorant. His weapon is our ignorance. You may not grab this completely but u sure will before the Lord appears. Because we are all growing. Talking about Paul in saying that the Lord will bruise satan under our feet. God gives his Word and expects us to do it. This is different from obeying the Word. It is the doing of the Word. Calling yourself what the Word calls you and acting that way. That is faith.

This has not helped to explicate Roms. 16:20. Are you supposing by this that the Roman Christians were not doing the Word but only obeying it? And notice that it did not say that God shall bruise Satan under them, but under their feet. Paul was speaking directly to the body of believers there, and the verse does not suppose that 'their feet' was referring to the 'dirtiest or lowest' part of the Body of Christ, unless that's the assumption you want to force into the Word where it does not teach that. I'll take this up below.

donnie:

It is not about mixing up scriptures fron here and there , no! We must first understand the entire message of the gospel. It tell's of the finished works of Christ! There is nothing that was not put under the feet of Christ. Nothing! I am not explaining to you you a theory, i am telling you what many have already proved to be true.

Donnie, please calm down. The Gospel of Christ is not a theory to me - I've made that very clear in several other threads. I just needed you to explain some of your assertions that I still could not find in the Bible.

donnie:

I do not waste time in dialogue with devils. I do not give them undue attention. I do not care to find out their names. I just cast them out. I do not seek to know if it is a black or white witch. I am a doer of the Word and as such i walk in Victory always.

Did my rejoinders sound like I was glorifying devils by giving them undue attention or trying to find out their names? I hope you saw how I made this quite clear in my previous reply that -

mlks_baby:

I'm not trying to glorify the enemy. Rather, I'm saying balance your views from God's Word.

donnie:

If you look away fron God's Word, then you will see the limitations and the demons chasing and monitoring you here and there.

Demons are not chasing and monitoring me here and there, and it's precisely because I've been looking into God's Word that I got to see your views are not balanced. Consequently, I've been asking that you share a balanced perspective on the discussion with regards to this particular subject.

More. . .

donnie:

Satan has been defeated, but all the work will be fulfilled at the coming of our Lord when the Lord will destroy him with the sword of his mouth. He will defeat satan and his angels in that great battle. But we appropriate that victory by faith today.

Now this is the amazing thing about your reasoning. "Has been defeated" and "will defeat satan" are two very opposite and convoluted things: the first is past tense and the second is future. Question: has Satan been defeated already or he is still waiting to be defeated in the future? How can you begin to appropriate a victory by faith if satan is somehow waiting to be defeated in the future?

Satan has been defeated, in fact destroyed in Christ's work on the cross - bold Biblical statement without contradiction! (Heb. 2:14). But that the Lord "will defeat satan and his angels" is a contradiction of clear Biblical teaching, for they are already defeated! (Col. 2:15).

The text you're referring to concerning the sword of the Lord's mouth is 2 Thes. 2:8 - "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming." This does not refer to Satan and his angels, but to the man of sin, the son of perdition (vs. 3) who is also called 'that Wicked' (or 'the lawless one' - NIV) in the verse just quoted. He is not to be confused with Satan and his angels, for when you read these verses in their contexts and study them with other verses, the son of perdition, the man of sin, is the very same as the antichrist - who is yet to come. It is the antichrist that is there described as the one whom the Lord will destroy/consume with the spirit of his mouth - symbolically described as the sword of His mouth (Rev. 1:16).

I don't read anywhere in the Bible that the Lord and Satan will be engaged in a great battle in the future. Christ both defeated and destroyed him on the Cross, so there's no battle arranged between them in the future. Rather, the Bible says that there's yet a battle between the devil and the arch-angel Michael (Rev. 12:7). It is the antichrist (not the devil), in his most diabolic and hideous character, who will gather the kings of the earth and their armies to make war against the Lord Jesus and His army; but of course, the former will be seized and tossed into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:19-20. See also ch. 17:11-14).

You see, when you keep mixing up and confusing the devil and the antichrist (the beast, the son of perdition), you'll be contradicting yourself about whether or not the devil and his angels have already been defeated.

donnie:

Looking from the epistles of Paul that he underestood the position of the Church as the body of Christ. He said God has raised us up with Christ and put all things under the feet of Christ. Who are the feet? These are the lowest n dirtiest menbers of the body of Christ. Jesus is the head. These are the babes. They will eventually grow through their knowledge of God's Word until they are reigning over circumstances and the devil. But already, all things are under their feet but they do not yet know.

I don't know where you got the idea from that the feet of the body of Christ are 'lowest n dirtiest' members and the babes. There's no such thing taught in God's Word about the Body of Christ being described in such unfortunate terms. When once you stretch this idea out of proportion, you lose sight of what the Body of Christ actually means in the Bible.

donnie:

We are not to be on guard against a powerful enemy but against a proud and cunning enemy.

Powerful, proud and cunning is all what the enemy is; and if you're taking that for granted you're missing the point and speaking things into the Bible that are not there. The enemy has power - diabolical power - but he can't exercise that power over the Spirit-filled believer. That doesn't mean that he can't harrass or resist believers, but only as far as God permits him, and no more. That is why we understand why the Lord said to the church in Smyrna: "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Rev. 2:10). It takes more than just pride and cunning for the devil to cast saints into prison: he does so by the diabolical powers he possesses. When saints are tried, they come forth as gold (Job 23:10), and then we can understand why God spoke to the church in Smyrna about what they were going to face.

donnie:

You can live in the kingdom of God Today!

Just because I call your attention to what the Bible clearly states about the enemy doesn't mean that the Kingdom of God is a strange phenomenon to me. Some of the things you stated are not taught in the Bible, and I've addressed them accordingly. The victory we have in Christ in sure, and the battle we fight is real as Ephesians 6:12 says we wrestle against principalities and powers and against spiritual wickedness in high places. These are clear facts stated in the Bible, and anyone ignoring it is playing dice; which is what you seem to be doing by trying to assert that it is "not a fight with demons."

im all smiles and clapping here.

go mlks_baby

These deeper life Churches are the ultimate corruption of the minds of our once decent people. They corrupt the youth and introduce new divinities. They use false tales about witches and wizards to cover their theft of the morals of society. If they are allowed to succeed, we will return to find that we know longer have a state.

The government should ban them

@ Afeni,
I dont believe you have ever beeen in a DLBC before otherwise you wouldnt be sayin such. They preach the bible and it is not a false tale about witches and wizards. I used to be a member n I never heard such preaching. I love pastor Kumunyi's teachings but right now,I attend Christ Embassy.

mlks_baby:

More. . .

Now this is the amazing thing about your reasoning. "Has been defeated" and "will defeat satan" are two very opposite and convoluted things: the first is past tense and the second is future. Question: has Satan been defeated already or he is still waiting to be defeated in the future? How can you begin to appropriate a victory by faith if satan is somehow waiting to be defeated in the future?

Satan has been defeated, in fact destroyed in Christ's work on the cross - bold Biblical statement without contradiction! (Heb. 2:14). But that the Lord "will defeat satan and his angels" is a contradiction of clear Biblical teaching, for they are already defeated! (Col. 2:15).

The text you're referring to concerning the sword of the Lord's mouth is 2 Thes. 2:8 - "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming." This does not refer to Satan and his angels, but to the man of sin, the son of perdition (vs. 3) who is also called 'that Wicked' (or 'the lawless one' - NIV) in the verse just quoted. He is not to be confused with Satan and his angels, for when you read these verses in their contexts and study them with other verses, the son of perdition, the man of sin, is the very same as the antichrist - who is yet to come. It is the antichrist that is there described as the one whom the Lord will destroy/consume with the spirit of his mouth - symbolically described as the sword of His mouth (Rev. 1:16).

I don't read anywhere in the Bible that the Lord and Satan will be engaged in a great battle in the future. Christ both defeated and destroyed him on the Cross, so there's no battle arranged between them in the future. Rather, the Bible says that there's yet a battle between the devil and the arch-angel Michael (Rev. 12:7). It is the antichrist (not the devil), in his most diabolic and hideous character, who will gather the kings of the earth and their armies to make war against the Lord Jesus and His army; but of course, the former will be seized and tossed into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:19-20. See also ch. 17:11-14).

You see, when you keep mixing up and confusing the devil and the antichrist (the beast, the son of perdition), you'll be contradicting yourself about whether or not the devil and his angels have already been defeated.

I don't know where you got the idea from that the feet of the body of Christ are 'lowest n dirtiest' members and the babes. There's no such thing taught in God's Word about the Body of Christ being described in such unfortunate terms. When once you stretch this idea out of proportion, you lose sight of what the Body of Christ actually means in the Bible.

Powerful, proud and cunning is all what the enemy is; and if you're taking that for granted you're missing the point and speaking things into the Bible that are not there. The enemy has power - diabolical power - but he can't exercise that power over the Spirit-filled believer. That doesn't mean that he can't harrass or resist believers, but only as far as God permits him, and no more. That is why we understand why the Lord said to the church in Smyrna: "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Rev. 2:10). It takes more than just pride and cunning for the devil to cast saints into prison: he does so by the diabolical powers he possesses. When saints are tried, they come forth as gold (Job 23:10), and then we can understand why God spoke to the church in Smyrna about what they were going to face.

Just because I call your attention to what the Bible clearly states about the enemy doesn't mean that the Kingdom of God is a strange phenomenon to me. Some of the things you stated are not taught in the Bible, and I've addressed them accordingly. The victory we have in Christ in sure, and the battle we fight is real as Ephesians 6:12 says we wrestle against principalities and powers and against spiritual wickedness in high places. These are clear facts stated in the Bible, and anyone ignoring it is playing dice; which is what you seem to be doing by trying to assert that it is "not a fight with demons."

Who does the anti-christ represent? Whose mind does he have? Where does he derive his authority from? Whose mission is he to carry out? when you talk of evil spirits, who do they answer to?

When we wrestle, what do we expect to be the result? Is our mission to kill devils? What kind of wrestling is it?

We do a lot of wrestling in our christian walk however, this kind of wrestling must be clarly understood.

I would have loved to go on with these issues but i dont think it is healthy anymore or even necessary.

We have life ahead of us to live. The results we see in our christian ministry is the result of the revelation we have and are functioning in. Shalom.

hello fresheva. don,t mind watever they may said to you, they did much more than to our lord jesus christ and at the end he was glorifield. am a memeber of deeper life too and am pride of being one. it,s all about the heart,believe and what you want, to crown it all. he (GOD) owns our life. so fresheva were are u located and do u mind getting to know u, u can add me on ur yahoomessanger (hoceh).

donnie:

Who does the anti-christ represent? Whose mind does he have? Where does he derive his authority from? Whose mission is he to carry out? when you talk of evil spirits, who do they answer to?

Look my dear, you've tried to divert from the issues you raised earlier. Asking baby questions is not helping your case - the answers are obvious even to people of other religions. The antichrist will represent and stand as ambassador for the devil and his kingdom; he has the mind of Satan; he derives his authority and power from the devil himself (read Rev. 13:2 - "the dragon [that's the devil] gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority" - the devil's power, seat and authority); he sets out to accomplish the devil's schemes; evil spirits answer to the devil, but bow to the name of Jesus. What did I miss out?

donnie:

When we wrestle, what do we expect to be the result? Is our mission to kill devils? What kind of wrestling is it?

Baby questions again. We expect to win in Jesus' Name with a victory assured us in Christ's blood; our mission is not to kill devils (or, more appropriately, "demons" but cast them out and resist the diabolical operations of the devil; and the wrestling is described in Eph. 6:12. Your problem seems to be with the meaning of the word "wrestling" - but as long as it is there in the Bible, it's foolhardy to deny or convolute it.

donnie:

We do a lot of wrestling in our christian walk however, this kind of wrestling must be clarly understood.

Agreed.

donnie:

I would have loved to go on with these issues but i don't think it is healthy anymore or even necessary.

Is that because you're mixing up issues and can't grasp the points distinctly?

donnie:

We have life ahead of us to live. The results we see in our christian ministry is the result of the revelation we have and are functioning in. Shalom.

Aye. I'm no stranger to that. Blessings.

NOMATTER WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY DO.
DEEPERLIFE IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST CHURCH
IN AFRICA IF NOT IN THE WORLD.
THE PASTOR IS A MAN CALLED BY GOD
AND HIS DOING WHAT HE HAS CALLED TO DO.
DEEPER LIFE NEVER AVOID
ANY ONE PEOPLE AVOID THEMSELF.
GOD BLESS U ALL

It's being interesting all the way. but let me ask DotHitler/Afeni? How much of Deeper Life do you  really know? You cannot tell, how sweet an orange is, not until you've personally tasted  it.

There are diversity of gifts, for some are apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors etc. Deeper life is a church that is blessed with a leader, that is uncompromising in doctrine and stands. He preaches the gospel without fear or favor. He stands for what he believes and i love him so much for his unwavering faith.

The idea of criticising other churches is unhealthy, because you don't criticise a tradition you know nothing about! Instead you ask questions.

1.  As per NOT Watching TV. It is not only a deeper life syndrome. A cult guy once confessed to me, that while he was involved in cultism, it was a norm for them NOT TO Watch TV. Cos it serves as a major distractor, aside women.

Having read through this book. 'What is Holiness' written by a white guy, William Hill, I was so surprised that a white guy and NOT A DL Member was anti-TV.

so what's the ache If DL has chosen not to Watch Television


2. It's not impossible that there are bad youth in deeper life as well, because it is not a perfect church, but building towards perfection. In every church we have the goat and the sheep, let's wait for God for the final seperation.

Conclusively, I've come to realise that most people know alot ABOUT deeper life but very few have really XPERIENCED deeper life. I'm a DL, and most of what i've read on this thread are fallacious. I personally, I've been in DL all my life (at least till date), I mix freely with people, i enjoy making friends etc. I think It's not all about the church, church and church. but about CHRIST, He is not moved by what you drive but by what drives you. He's not so keen about your place of worship but your motive of worship, so, whether you are DL or Not, what matters is having the Prince of Peace as your Lord and Personal Saviour.

I avoid DLBF because
1) I love to watch TV
2) I see nothing wrong in wearing trousers
3) I like my gold jewelries
4)I dont like mary amaka style of dresses and I dont like the general deeper life tailor cos your ladies all waer the same style of gowns, skirts and blouses
5)I love wearing laces and dont think its compulsary to wear dresses without zipers or bottons I musnt wear a sack bag in the name of religion
6) I see noting wrong in complimenting my husband in public
7)I dont mind talking with the opposit sex

Ah! Ah! Dl's aren't that bad, are they? Come on.

Dear All,

I have discovered through this thread so far that "Critical and Judgmental Spirit" is the naked flame with which many contributors to this thread traded and transacted their opinions, Your expressed views and opinions are only restricted within the limits of this networks or circle of influence. Nevertheless, the counsel of God about the church (DLBC) shall stand.

I have been a member of the church (DLBC) for quite a couple of years now and I do appreciate the raw truth, inspiration and revelations I receive every day.I joined when I was in final year of secondary school in 1984.

I do respect other churches too,but I have a reservation about quite many of them. This would never have made me backlash or mouthwash any either. I feel we can be more decent

But holiness of thoughts, actions, speeches and interactions shall lead the way.

THINK ON THESE THINGS

No attribute of God is more dreadful to sinners than His holiness” - Matthew Henry

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.”


“Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.”

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough” - Albert Einsten
Einsteine unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness.” - Bible

Faith is an act of self-consecration, in which the will, the intellect, and the affections all have their place.”

“God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.”- Bible

Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.” - Bible

This, and this alone, is Christianity, a universal holiness in every part of life, a heavenly wisdom in all our actions, not conforming to the spirit and temper of the world but turning all worldly enjoyments into means of piety and devotion to God.” - William Law.

“Holiness, not happiness, is the chief end of man.” - Oswald Chambers

There are few people in this thread that are so stubborn in their critical and judgmental opinions, and who when danger is pressing in will not acknowledge the divine power. It will be absurd to describe the beauty of the rainbow to a blind man.The first operation needed is to remove his blindness.

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: / Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; / Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.” - Bible

But ye have not so learned Christ; / If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: / That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; / And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; / And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”

Dear readers and Nairalanders,

DeeperLife preaches holiness which many finds too hard to comply with, hence they wrest it to their own frustration,

Whatever your presonal opinions, " No man can stop the Sun from it rising, neither does a man have the power to stop the Moon from glowing "

Rgds

@wally
Nobody is saying deeper life is bad we are just saying they have unecessary though rules why will the fact that I wear jewelries make me a worldly person? and wearing make up should not make me related to marine spirits these and some other stuff make people see deeper life as a no go church except for people like you who dont mind doing what the founder decides is bad. what is wrong with watching TV in the first place that it should be banned from my living room?
Anyway the fact that I avoid DL church does not mean I want the believers of its laws to stop worshiping God the way they deem best all I know is count me out I wont be draged kicking or willingly to DL.

walley:

Dear readers and Nairalanders,

DeeperLife preaches holiness which many finds too hard to comply with, hence they wrest it to their own frustration,

I hope that is not to suppose therefore that no other churches preach holiness? Perhaps, we need to go back and ask a basic question here: what is holiness?

Many people have their ideas and concept about holiness by which they tend to be judgemental towards other believers who are not cut in their prefered mold. In simple terms, holiness is knowing and walking with God in a real way (and that doesn't have to be something ascetic or austere in order to make one a recluse or hermit).

I have a deeper life tenant who said owing a car would lead to hell. Is it not crazy

I must remove my hat for Kimba and the rest that have tried to make spiritual sense of the disscussion on the Deeper Life Topic.

I will state the following.

1) "Deeper Life" is not the way to heaven
2) The people that attend the Physical Church may or May not go to hell.
3) The life of any human being that is not holy cannot go to heaven (deeper or no Deeper)
4) A pure heart and body is needed to get to heaven
5) The eyes must not look at sin ( The eyes of the heart must be pure also)
6) Your worship must be done in complete quietness and humility.
7) The God of The bible Resides in the true Christian and he is fearless to death.
The true Christian takes all kinds of arrows he NEVER INSULTS rather takes it.
9) A true Christian is full of love and Goodness Not greed wantonness and hatred
10) Any saint that does not Love to Die for God is not worthy of Him.
11) There is a great difference between the goat and lamb. The children of God have difference in appearance and character
12) He is not Afraid of God because of Gods punishment but he loves God and fear God because he is of a pure eye to behold iniquity.
13) He is at war with Satan and his host but rest in the hands of the one that created everything that hath breath



Back to the topic and the question (Why avoid us)

They will avoid you because they are of their father the Devil and they shall mock you to your face. Remember JESUS! what was his FAULT?

He was slapped by a man and Jesus asked him why do you slap me?
They whipped him
They Put Thorns of thistles on his heads
They Abused him Sexually and Verbally
They mocked him
They Taunted him

you should be happy that this is happening but you should be sad that the grace of God should not be wasted on this people.

This was a man that had no permanent residence he was and is Good personified. The God and Man himself.
This man had compassion over his enemies and cried out that the father should forgive them.

The TRIUNE God is a God of Justice and that is what makes him God. He called the Good Judge He will judge their unclothedness in the presences of the Heavenly host. All the fraud and lies that have been said will be exposed that no where to hide.

They will make mockery of scripture we are not to take their ways. We cant be like the Goats we are not of this fold the bible says (he says) my sheep hear my voice. They will hear only the voice of their father.

The Fearful (Christian or Non Christian) and the Abominable will have their part in hellfire. You are to preach the word of God to them simple and short.

don buchi:

I have a deeper life tenant who said owing a car would lead to hell. Is it not crazy

you are kidding right, me think say na u make this thing up

Some people take matters to extremes. I'm not a Deeper Life member; but I enjoy Pastor Kumuyi's messages. Unless I'm missing something here, I haven't come across such extreme tendencies in his ministry.

some still do not have TVs in their houses. But that nothwitstanding, the truth is that your heart determines you place with God. They may deny themselves all they can of all those eartly things, but if their hearts are not denied, that is hypocrisy.

@Cgift

The heart is not independent of the body. They both work hand in hand. You cannot have a body with a heart and you can heart with a body.

The heart is the soul. The Soul that sinneth shall die. You need to fight evil with all your mind and body. The determination to Abstain from evil is called Consecration.

The Lord then sanctifies you by the Holy Ghost. You hate sin with your life and Love goodness with all your heart.

Its only painful that there is no physical scale to measure holiness. You are probably being deceived to think that those things make you holier than others. The truth is hypocrisy is higher in such settings because people are caged.

my brother be not deceived No man can measure holiness and A man that says he is holy than anyone is proud and is already living in hell.

fresheva

Not really sure if u are a member,

you should have asked this question in the church not coming up here openly to asked question. is just like asking a goat why are u a goat. you know deeperlife stands for the TRUTH and HOLINESS that is just the reason why people intend to aviod them

stop telling us lies you are not a member of Deeper Life,

1. You profile have shown

2. Your previous questions and answers have also shown

for you information am not happy with u Don't ever play with the Church or Using her name for Debate. God woun't happy with u.

what concerns Nairaland with Deeper life, what Nairaland made for to be discoursing Deeperlife and Pastor W.F. Kumuyi, why are people like this, this should sound as a clear warning to every one using Nairaland STOP acusing any church. STOP accusing any Pastor, what so ever is going on in a church should not concern you, if it concerns u much PRAY for them. allow all judgement for God, whether a church is holy here on earth or not it should not concern u, whether a pastor is the most righteous here on eart of not pls leave him alone. play ur own part.

and people should stop convincing others that there are members of Deeper life, just to use the advantage to speak against the church and also hear others condemnation.

@Masteruwen

Brother Relax oh.

Backslider

just take a lot at a girl who say she is a member of deeper life, does she knows what it means to be a really members of Deeper life

deeper life brother sorry oh. na only una go go heaven

Dear All,

I am posting this extract for you all to DILIGENTLY and PATIENTLY got through. It is not from DL by the way. We shall talk about DL issues raised later. Bye


Is TV Really So Bad?
by Dr Joel R. Beeke


We are living in a sin-sick, morally degenerate, and pleasure-mad world. Our society continually demands entertainment, amusements, and pastimes at an ever-increasing level.

What is the goal of this "continual-entertainment" spirit? To keep modern man happily busy.

In a certain sense, entertainment does succeed in its goal. It keeps thousands and millions busy.

The very words themselves reveal this fact. The word amusement comes originally from the French and literally means "to stare at fixedly so as to prevent musing or thinking." The word pastime speaks for itself. It means to kill or use up time as a thing of little value; to pass time away. The root of the word entertainment means to divert. Thus it implies something which takes us away or diverts us from the normal, real world of everyday life.

In other words, entertainment, amusements, pastimes are things which keep us busy - busy avoiding the realities of life and truth as they are set down in God's Holy Word. They keep us busy avoiding thinking about eternity, hell, heaven, sin, God, Christ, salvation, our own selves, and especially our need for a new heart.

But if entertainment succeeds in its first goal of making man busy it fails miserably in its second: happily busy. Never has there been so much restlessness, dissatisfaction, and yes, unhappiness - in spite of the millions who immerse themselves in modern-day entertainment. Despite our freedom from poverty, our multiplication of opportunities in nearly every walk and aspect of life, plus our continual drinking in of entertainment - no age has been as unhappy as modern man.

Entertainment can never give enough - it always leaves an empty feeling behind. The more it is practiced and relied on, the emptier it becomes.

It has turned our society into an object of pity, for we are victims of our own system. Society goes full cycle, from being pleasure-hungry to pleasure-mania to pleasure-boredom.

But do you know what is even worse? Not only the world, but also the church has begun sliding down the slippery slope of entertainment which can only end in sin, and disastrous results.

Satan does not stop with liberal churches only. He comes also among us. We who believe that the truth is still preached among us - who know so well that the Word of God says, "Abstain from all appearance of evil," who read continually, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" - are also beginning to fall victim to the idolatrous god of entertainment.

Step-by-step some are beginning to look for new things (in the church and outside of the church) with which we entertain and keep ourselves busy. Step-by-step the old-fashioned, plain gospel message with its emphasis on the necessity of conversion, is being increasingly de-emphasised. Less and less time is being spent praying together as a family, reading religious books together with children, talking together in family circles about spiritual matters.

Are we not all guilty? Do we not all fall short in experiencing the reality of the seriousness of life, death, the judgment day, and eternity? Today we have a carefree, laughing society, but you never read in the Bible that Jesus took life lightly. Rather, especially referring to our day, He said: "Watch, and pray, and again I say unto you watch!"

But by nature we don't watch. By nature our question is, "How far can I go and still not sin?" instead of, "How far can I flee from sin and avoid the very appearance of evil?"

At the very heart and center of our modern entertainment spirit stands TELEVISION. This is an obvious fact. Television sets are in the homes of 97% of Americans today and 91% of all television time is dedicated solely to the purpose of entertainment. Entertainment-addiction and television-addiction cannot be separated from each other.

Our society has become TELE-HOLIC. On a night when wives do not leave home, 95 out of 100 will spend it watching TV and 85% of their husbands will do likewise. Among teenagers, 80% will follow their parents' example, and 75% of children will also spend their evening drinking in the sin shown on TV.

There are people, however, who do not believe that television becomes an object of slavery in the home, and for that reason we have to consider the power of it in the homes where it is allowed. I shall seek to show you from plain facts that a television owner usually becomes addicted to TV with respect to (A) TIME, (B) SIN, and (C) CONTROL.

(A) TIME. The average TV viewer spends 5½ hours per day watching TV. By the time an average American youth becomes sixty-five years old, he will have spent fourteen years of his life watching TV (compared to one year spent in church, Sunday School, and catechism if he comes faithfully to all). In the U.S.A. children three to five years old spend fifty-four hours every week watching TV, which is 64% of their time awake. When the average graduate from high school receives his diploma at seventeen years of age, he will have spent 11,000 hours of his life in school, but 22,000 hours watching TV. Every time an adult sits down to watch TV, he/she averages 3½ hours of watching time before turning the TV off. Children are glued to TV for an average of 2½ hours per sitting. With the exception of sleeping, the average American will spend more time in his life watching TV than anything else - yes even more than working. Do we not have a tele-holic society with respect to our precious, God-given time?

(B) SIN. TV is a flood of sin. It numbs its watchers against all ten commandments.

First commandment: Anything we put above God becomes an idol. Modern man has become addicted to putting TV before God.

Second commandment: If not in reality, in practice TV has become a graven image in the hearts of most of its watchers.

Third commandment: TV causes its hearers to become addicted to hearing the name of the Lord used in vain. Profanity is used so often that it becomes an inoffensive thing. Few TV watchers realize that every time they willingly watch and hear such things, all those sins are reckoned to them on account of their willing participation.

Fourth commandment: Even the Sabbath Day is not holy enough for TV watchers to keep it turned off, or, if a small percentage may still do so for conscience's sake, desire and craving for it usually remains even on the Lord's Day.

Fifth commandment: TV does anything but honor father and mother. It continually degrades fatherhood and motherhood, and even frequently glorifies the disobedience of children. Family life, respect for authority, and obedience to government are repeatedly violated on program after program.

Sixth commandment: Instead of "thou shalt not kill," one study reached the conclusion that by the time a child is fourteen at least 18,000 violent assaults and murders take place before his eyes. Another study confirmed that the average child between five and thirteen years of age soaks in 1,300 murders each year, so that violence, assaults, and murders no longer speak the message of sin or its consequences. Murders, hatred, violent actions and words assume the role of normal behavior. The average child's program contains thirty-eight acts of violence per hour (adult program: twenty). A New York City judge who spent his life in courts judging juvenile delinquents and teenage criminals has plainly said that those who investigated the situation know that TV is a prime cause of crime. Another judge said: "Parents, one hour of TV can teach your children more crime, rebellion, smart-aleck freshness, and sex than you can counteract in months if you work at it."

The trouble with violence on TV is that it does not show the real consequences of violence. The guilt that is left behind in the soul of the murderer, the bereaved family, the orphaned children, the filled hospitals, and the solemn graveyards are not shown. Especially in children's programs violence is often totally unreal. Their heroes are often crushed or blown into pieces and moments later reappear unscathed. TV is artificial violence glorified instead of showing real violence in all of its ugly and terrible long-term consequences. Is it a wonder then that there have been thousands of examples of tragedies nationwide when children have "played TV together"?

Seventh commandment: How can the TV viewer remain pure with respect to the seventh commandment when seven out of eight references to sexual acts on TV take place between those who are not married? How can he remain pure when the TV viewer sees on an average of three times every hour sexual misconduct between unmarried adults? How can he remain moral when countless circumstances, conversations, immodest dress, actions, and behavior all point to the excitement and acceptability of sinning against the seventh commandment in a false and unrealistic way?

Eighth commandment: Can an hour be found that goes by when TV actors do not unashamedly steal before their audience? It is not wonder that thousands of thefts in real life have been patterned after TV plots and heroes.

Ninth commandment: Lying against a neighbor becomes a normal, acceptable, and even expected form of behavior on television shows.

Tenth commandment: Covet is a desirable word for TV viewers. Constantly they are reminded through advertisements of a stream of unending luxuries which they are told they shall never be happy without. There is always something they must have which they don't have. The programs themselves are not an exception. For one man to covet another man's wife (or vice versa) is the main theme of entire shows.

From beginning to end TV glorifies sin. On TV the only thing that is "sin" is morality. TV applauds sin, approves of sin, and forces its watchers to minimise sin through tens of thousands of countless repetitions. Over and over again the traditional family life is despised as old-fashioned: fatherhood is replaced with heroism via pathways of sin; motherhood is rejected as demeaning; obedience from children is laughed at as being too boring to be entertaining.

TV has become a catalogue of sin, and all studies reveal it is getting worse. It has become the devil's classroom. The devil is smart enough to throw in a little religion too, and occasionally even a little morality, to pacify consciences enough not to throw it out. Does not TV make a tele-holic society with respect to sin when it feeds lust, perverts morals, presents impurity as love, pictures murder as thrilling, exalts unclothedness and indecency as beauty, and seeks to legitimize all kinds of sin against every command of God?

(C) CONTROL Here the addiction becomes even more serious. Thousands of family fights take place regularly because no agreement can be reached on which show to indulge in. In American homes 35% of mealtimes are spent in front of the TV set. Nightly thousands of parents realize the programs that will come on are demoralizing and harmful for their children but yet are so hungry themselves to drink in the sin which they contain that they often let their children watch it too, having no power to control it.

People who say they can control TV are usually speaking idealistically, not realistically:

(1) Our natural hearts love sin, our ears listen for sin, our eyes look for sin. That is just the problem with TV. It is not the box itself that is the problem, but it is our hearts. TV shows what the heart of man wants to see. We have enough "TVs" already in our hearts without buying one for our home. It is our "TV hearts" that are inclined to TV sets. We do not stand above a TV watcher - just the opposite. We desire to come so low that we confess we would not trust our own heart with such an instrument.

(2) Who is able to keep sin from flashing before them on the screen at any moment, whether it be through the program being watched or through advertisement?

(3) Is a person who has owned a TV set for some time, and consequently become hardened to many sins, really qualified to know what is necessary to "control"?

Man does not control TV. TV controls him. Only one study of many will prove this point. Approximately four years ago in St. Catharines, Ontario, the newspaper headlines read one day: $500 paid for disposing of TV. The article went on to say that a study was done in Detroit in which the goal was to find out to what degree people are controlled by TV. Two hundred fifty families were scientifically selected from various races and classes to be offered $500 if they would live without their TV set for one month. After thirty days they could take it back in, and receive $500 free. Out of 250, only fifty families agreed to do it. How many families "made it" through this trial of thirty days? Eight! The other forty-two forfeited their $500 sometime during the month - one family took their TV back in on the 29th day. The eight who made it through were interviewed extensively. All said it brought their family closer together without TV. Six fathers said they first learned to know their children. One father said: "The day that I disposed of our TV was the first day in twenty-five years that no one was killed in our living room, no sirens screamed, no shots rang out, no artificial merriment told us when to laugh, and no one slashed anyone else." And what was the final result of these eight families of whom seven said their family life was considerably more rewarding without TV? The last line of the article tells us: "All eight families took TV back in."

Tele-holism. Knowing it does more harm than good, and still keeping it - that is slavery.
Dear friend, I urge you to dispose of TV today on the following grounds:

(1) It is against the word of God. In Psalm 119 the Lord commands us to turn our eyes from vanity. The entire Bible speaks against television because of its unending list of evils.

(2) The sinfulness of television damages your own soul. Every secular and/or religious study has revealed TV's over-all effects. Since you know that we are fallen children of Adam and Eve, corrupt, and prone to backsliding, why do you unnecessarily feed your own corrupt nature with still more corruption through this instrument of sin?

(3) Studies on television reveal that TV also hinders the God-given treasure of family life and communion. This alone should be reason enough to dispose of TV immediately.

(4) By keeping television you are stepping on and fighting against your own conscience.

(5) You are wasting precious God-given time for which you will have to give an account one day. Would it not be far better that you take the time spent watching TV to read Scripture or good books, or listen to sermon tapes?

Do yourself a favor: for the Word of God's sake, the church's sake, your own soul's sake, your family's sake, your conscience's sake, dispose of your television today. Do it permanently before you become its lifelong slave.

Finally, may it become the prayer of all of us with David: "I will set no evil thing before my eyes. Turn Thou my eyes from beholding vanity."
(Pilgrim's Gate; Condensed)

(This article from Fair Dinkum, Free Autralian Magazine, issue 52. All statistics are taken from studies conducted between 1979 and 1999.)