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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by AtheistD(m): 11:52am On May 23, 2013
shy-mmex:
The British PM(David Cameron) already called it an isolated case - and that the attack has nothing to do with Islam, war on terror, race, nationality, or creed.

It's a case of a young radicalised man, who's obviously mentally unfit.

Someone who knows the situation in London. He looks like he is on drugs too.

The real problem is with the British Govt and security services (police, MI6, military, others) as well as the judiciary. They have not yet got to grips with the type of problem they face. This is a serious issue that will not go away. There is one solution...

They need to bring in laws making race hate preaching and radicalising illegal, then they need to do major sting jobs on all the mosques in the land with uncover operatives. Regularly bug the mosques with wire taps etc and any preacher who goes about radicalising, immediately arrest them, charge them and sentence them to time. They also need to keep them in a secure and separate prison installation away from others so they dont radicalise people in prison.

If not, they will continue to radicalise others, there are plenty of disaffected, psychologically impaired and mentally impaired people that can easily be targeted by these radical race hate preachers.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 11:52am On May 23, 2013
BoboYekini: Give me a rabid terrorist over a 'moderate' Islamist any day. At least the terrorist will present himself and can be subsequently put down like the dog he is. But these sneaky, sly moderates, gaddem , I don't even have a word for how I loathe them.
They (so-called moderates) give the islam a false human face and you can bet your last buck that you will never see a moderate come out openly and denounce these criminals.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 11:54am On May 23, 2013
Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic fundamentalism.

The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier "Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. This is why Muslim apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their "assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect book.

Far from being mere history or theological construct, the violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in very real massacre and genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody conquest. Both he and the later Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an untold number merely for defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.

So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.

Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered captives. He actually inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members were slaughtered.

It is important to emphasize that, for the most part, Muslim armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the religion's most dramatic military conquests were made by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades following his death. The early Islamic principle of warfare was that the civilian population of a town was to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and children taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although modern apologists often claim that Muslims are only supposed to attack in self-defense, this is an oxymoron that is flatly contradicted by the accounts of Islamic historians and others that go back to the time of Muhammad.

Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were completely obliterated only five years after Muhammad arrived in Medina. Their leader opted to stay neutral when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that was sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly caravan raids. The tribe killed no one from either side and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of Islam had every male member of the Qurayza beheaded, and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of the captives himself (what Muslim apologists might refer to as "same day marriage"wink.

One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In the Jihad which you are seeking, you look for the enemy and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only when the Islamic state is invading other [countries] in order to spread the word of Islam and to remove obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he notes: "Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature and curtail human freedom. Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of life."

The widely respected Dictionary of Islam defines Jihad as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious duty, established in the Qur'an and in the Traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined specially for the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims…[Quoting from the Hanafi school, Hedaya, 2:140, 141.], "The destruction of the sword is incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this effect."

Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession resulted in perpetual internal war following his death. Those who knew him best first fought to keep remote tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their preferred religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the closer community, early Meccan converts battled later ones. Hostility developed between those immigrants who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the Ansar at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally there was a violent struggle within Muhammad's own family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter - a jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each others' throats to this day.

The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism.

This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command. While Muslim terrorists take them as literally as anything else in their holy book, and understand that Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little to contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do they have? Speaking of peace and love may win over the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not to interpret their religion in this way.

Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.

Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect." (source). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians, women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by olapluto(m): 11:57am On May 23, 2013
Clit_Dah_Cunt:
They 9so-called moderates) give the islam a false human face and you can bet your last buck that you will never see a moderate come out openly and denounce these criminals.
You've been putting false quotes and conjectures on this forum all in the name of trying to paint Islam as you want it painted. What you do not realise is that people are wiser now. Islamophobia has been turned on its head. You can continue posting those falsehoods, it encourages people to want to verify it. When people read the Quran to find out those references, they will most likely never take you serious again. The way you twist those verses with your evil intentions will backfire on you.

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by papi365: 12:05pm On May 23, 2013
islam na devil. blood sucking demon
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by tallceejay(m): 12:05pm On May 23, 2013
Clit_Dah_Cunt: The Consolidation of Power

Muhammad defeated the Meccan army at Badr, which emboldened him to begin dividing and conquering the three local Jewish tribes at Medina. Their mistake was to accept the Muslim presence, but reject Muhammad's claim that he was in the line of Jewish prophets. His stories from the Torah simply did not agree with their own. (Muhammad's recited version of Bible stories sounds more like fragmented fairy tales with the same moral - believe in his personal claim to be a prophet or else).

How these three tribes, the Banu Qaynuqa, the Banu Nadir, and the Banu Quyrayza met their fate is insightful into the Muslim mindset, which employs an inherent double standard in its relations with those outside the faith.

First, to try and gain their favor, Muhammad briefly preached that Christians and Jews could attain salvation through their own faith. In fact, he changed his followers' direction for prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, which prompted the Jews' tolerance of him while he worked surreptitiously for the power to evict them. These earlier concessions and teachings were later revoked by Muhammad, since the Jews ultimately refused his religion. The rare early verses of tolerance in the Quran are abrogated by later verses such as 9:29.

The Jews' knowledge of the Torah naturally threatened the Muslim leader's credibility, since it easily refuted the claims that he made about himself as a prophet of God. They also saw through the Biblical narrations that he had picked up from secondhand sources and knew that these contradicted established revelation. Conveniently, Allah stepped in to tell Muhammad that the Jews had deliberately corrupted their own texts to hide the very evidence of his own prophethood that he had previously insisted existed. (To this day, Muslims have never been able to produce a copy of the "true" Torah or Gospel to which their own Quran refers).

While the Jews remained unconvinced by such obvious gimmickry, Arab polytheists converted to Islam in large numbers, which soon gave Muhammad the power to make his intentions clear that Islam would be imposed by force:

While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." Bukhari 53:392

The Jews of Mecca were the first in a very long line of unfortunate people to be offered the opportunity to convert to Islam under obvious duress. Forcible conversion is very much a Muslim tradition started by Muhammad (see MYTH: Muhammad Rejected Conversions to Islam made under Duress)

Since they chose to hold on to their religion (and their property) Muhammad looked for reasons to go to war against the Jews at Medina. According to some Muslims, the first tribe, the Qaynuqa, were driven from their homes and land on the pretext that one of their own had harassed a Muslim woman. Although the offender was killed prior to this by a Muslim, the Muslim was also killed by Jews in retaliation for the first murder.

After laying siege to the entire community and defeating the tribe, Muhammad wanted to put every male member to death, but was talked out of it by an associate - something that Allah later "rebuked" him for. The Qaynuqa were forced into exile and the Muslims took their possessions and property, making it their own. Muhammad personally reserved a fifth of the ill-gotten gain for himself (a rule that he was sure to include in the Quran).

This episode helped ingrain within Islam the immature principle of group identity, whereby any member of a religion or social unit outside of Islam is just as guilty as any of their peers who insult or harm a Muslim - and just as deserving of punishment. (Muhammad's punishments usually did not fit the crime).

Members of the second tribe, the Banu Nadir, were accused by Muhammad of plotting to kill him. What is most intriguing about this episode is that it occurred after the Muslims had killed several prominent Jews on Muhammad's order, including a leader of the Banu Nadir (named Ka'b al-Ashraf).

When the prophet of Islam learned that he might be targeted in retaliation (something that he claimed was "revealed" to him by Allah), he promptly laid siege to the Banu Nadir community. After forcing them to surrender, these original inhabitants of Medina were then banished from their homes and land by the Muslim newcomers, who again started to take as much as they could for themselves (Ibn Ishaq 653). (To the disappointment of his people, this time Muhammad produced a revelation from Allah that allowed him to confiscate the entire portion for himself).

In a critical example of how deception is sanctioned under Islam, a surviving contingent of the Banu Nadir (under Usayr ibn Zarim) was later tricked into leaving their fortress by promise of peace talks. The contingent of Muslims sent by Muhammad to "escort" them, however, easily slaughtered the victims once they let down their guard (Ibn Ishaq 981).

Ok cunt. Thanks for d info. We've seen enuf. Don't go quoting the whole quran
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 12:08pm On May 23, 2013
alnaijiri:

If you believe in your religion, anyone who doesn't is by definition an infidel. I believe that Islam is the way God our Creator wants us to live our lives. So, if one isn't a Muslim, one isn't fulfilling the will of God. It has nothing to do with respect. I may respect you, but if you are not a Muslim, then you are an infidel.

To Muslims, it is an intolerable shame to be ruled by infidels and live under the jurisdiction of non-sharia laws. Since God created this world, we should follow His laws and not those of man.


I don't mind you thinking I'm an infidel as long as you don't say it to my face and most importantly don't go about hacking people down cos they don't believe in islam


Nigga, serve your God and lemme serve mine, is that hard to understand?

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Despicableme: 12:08pm On May 23, 2013
Of course you should know they will never take responsibility as long as you are not a Briton by origin. That is why blacks a referred to as ''British born of African descent'' or ''African American'' or a ''British passport holder'' all to let you know you are not a true blood. Britain today has home grown terrorist groups converting not just immigrants but their own children to radicals. Just like Iran does not believe Israel exist, Muslims have the view that other religion need not exist side by side with theirs. They are intolerable to other religion except they migrate to other places and as soon as they gather momentum in those places they launch their campaign of conversion and occupation. North Africa, Central Africa and now Europe and even Americas are typical examples. As stated in my earlier submission, these nations have themselves to blame for not learning from what happened in Africa regarding their episode of religious invasion. You can take a Qur'an to the Vatican and no one will ask you why but you can not take a bible into Maldives because it is sacrilege to their religion Islam. Nigerians or Africans what matters is where the conversion took place as a result of the loopholes created by their systems. Well this fight is for everyone one of us that believe in peaceful coexistence of all mankind and not just theirs cos it could happen in your neighborhood tomorrow. We must all look out for people with suspicious character and report them immediately to the authorities.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by 50calibre(m): 12:08pm On May 23, 2013
ola_pluto: Mayor of London, Boris Johnson says: IT IS WRONG TO BLAME THIS MURDER ON ISLAM.
That is a very sensible and educated man talking. All you half-baked people jumping on this incidence to propagate your lazy agenda are gullible if you think it affects Muslims.

Keep quiet! He is a public figure and a statesman, that's what he and the others are going to say but in private quarters and covert meetings, they know its a true representation of Islam. How many christains do you see carrying out terrorist acts?

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 12:11pm On May 23, 2013
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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 12:13pm On May 23, 2013
lalaosky:


I don't mind you thinking I'm an infidel as long as you don't say it to my face and most importantly don't go about hacking people down cos they don't believe in islam


Nigga, serve your God and lemme serve mine, is that hard to understand?
I wonder o, what if I called every Muslim infidel, would he like it? How do they expect us to respect their so called religion of peace when they go about bringing discord? Religion of peace and hope my foot.

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 12:14pm On May 23, 2013
alnaijiri:

If you believe in your religion, anyone who doesn't is by definition an infidel. I believe that Islam is the way God our Creator wants us to live our lives. So, if one isn't a Muslim, one isn't fulfilling the will of God. It has nothing to do with respect. I may respect you, but if you are not a Muslim, then you are an infidel.

To Muslims, it is an intolerable shame to be ruled by infidels and live under the jurisdiction of non-sharia laws. Since God created this world, we should follow His laws and not those of man.

True Muslim rite there.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 12:21pm On May 23, 2013
when white people become muslim you get albania

when arabs become muslim you get saud

when indians become muslim you get pakis

when blacks become muslim you get this shit.

Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 12:22pm On May 23, 2013
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 12:29pm On May 23, 2013
Well, in so many ways the liberal politically correct and Arab tax paying money grabbing British Govt brought this on themselves.

Enjoy your multiculturalism turned Shari Republic.

Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 12:36pm On May 23, 2013
Religion of peace my foot.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 12:39pm On May 23, 2013
ItsModella:
I wonder o, what if I called every Muslim infidel, would he like it? How do they expect us to respect their so called religion of peace when they go about bringing discord? Religion of peace and hope my foot.

My plincess, this their line of thinking pisses me off. If they think I'm infidel, fine by me cos they're also an infidel in my own eyes but not cos of their religion/not serving my God but cos of mutual feeling of calling me an infidel


But what I hate is killing people cos' they aint in your religion. It makes no sense. What happened to live and let live, huh?. And I hate it when they say "what about hitler and other xtains that killed?", I be like "wtf!!, did you hear them saying "in jesus name" before wasting innocent life?"
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by ClitDahCunt: 12:41pm On May 23, 2013
Another reason Africans should turn away from Islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zM_MzkLKPY

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 12:54pm On May 23, 2013
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 12:58pm On May 23, 2013
Atheist:-D:


Someone who knows the situation in London. He looks like he is on drugs too.

The real problem is with the British Govt and security services (police, MI6, military, others) as well as the judiciary. They have not yet got to grips with the type of problem they face. This is a serious issue that will not go away. There is one solution...

They need to bring in laws making race hate preaching and radicalising illegal, then they need to do major sting jobs on all the mosques in the land with uncover operatives. Regularly bug the mosques with wire taps etc and any preacher who goes about radicalising, immediately arrest them, charge them and sentence them to time. They also need to kee pthem in a secure and separate prison installation away from others so they dont radicalise people in prison.

If not, they will continue to radicalise others, there are plenty of disaffected, psychologically impaired and mentally impaired people that can easily be targeted by these radical race hate preachers.
They won't allow.They will only claim its a breach of human right like they always do.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 1:02pm On May 23, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNwcYFF9atk

Listen to the dude, their goal is to make us all live under sharia.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 1:05pm On May 23, 2013
In our land ? Which one? Nigeria?
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 1:11pm On May 23, 2013
CAMEROONPRIDE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNwcYFF9atk

Listen to the dude, their goal is to make us all live under sharia.
These pple are sick. If you are living in a democratic state and you don't like it, kindly go to a country that practices sharia and let others live un peace. hian.

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 1:18pm On May 23, 2013
Why do African muslims fight battles for Arabs whilst there is problems in their own home country, that they should be putting their energies into.

I do not ever remember an instance when an Arab had fought for rights / injustice in sub-Saharan Africa.

GenBuhari: [size=18pt]BH in Nigeria bombing, kidnapping western nationals, and killing people;

BH in neighbouring countries kidnapping european nationals;

Now Nigerians in London UK conduct a terror attack and beheads a British war hero;

USA drones are already stationed within striking range of Nigeria;

US president cancels Nigeria trip because of insecurity;

Can you see where this is all heading?

It may only take another another international incident or two by BH to give USA and its NATO allies all the justification it needed to invade Nigeria.

We really do need a serious and competent leadership before it is too late.

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Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Gamesmart: 1:20pm On May 23, 2013
If this happened in Nigeria, I can bet you that the animals in uniform we call the Army would have gone amok and killed any resident still having the audacity to stay behind in that neighbourhood.
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by kemoolala: 1:25pm On May 23, 2013
@Clit_Dah_Cunt, are u a muslim? if u are and wit all these ur write-up, wat are u up to? are u preaching for them or against them?
Re: British Soldier Beheaded In Woolwich, London by Nobody: 1:27pm On May 23, 2013
honey86:
These pple are sick. If you are living in a democratic state and you don't like it, kindly go to a country that practices sharia and let others live un peace. hian.
bunch of savages and brainless cows....Islam/Muslims are the cancer of the world

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